Trump is saying what he knows the public wants to hear is all. All his life he has played the same game that has gotten you all into this mess. HE of all people is the worst kind of boomer.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

No even if he does that, I still win. Apparently Tara, you don't seem to get this. I'm beholden to neither party, that said the worse things get, the more people listen to folks like me. If Trump wrecks the country the socialist revolution becomes inevitable. If Trump does not wreck the country, and manages to fix a few things then we can bump along a few more years.

Furthermore like I said, not even the Left considers The Young Turks to be reliable. And their is a boat load of bizarre agitprop in the American New Left (which is actually pretty damn old now that I think about it).

Trust me....oh it will.

Originally Posted by Taramarie

Trump is saying what he knows the public wants to hear is all. All his life he has played the same game that has gotten you all into this mess. HE of all people is the worst kind of boomer.

And you are basing this on what exactly?

Originally Posted by Taramarie

Trust me....oh it will.

Like I said, if he does, I win. If he manages to fix a few things and we bump along a few more years...I still win. That being said, I firmly believe that if he builds the wall and fixes the trade and then after that manages to get nothing else done he'd be a fairly decent president. Obama only looks so good in comparison to his predecessor. Somewhere in America the relatives of James Buchanan are breathing a sigh of relief that George W. Bush existed.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

And you are basing this on what exactly?



Like I said, if he does, I win. If he manages to fix a few things and we bump along a few more years...I still win. That being said, I firmly believe that if he builds the wall and fixes the trade and then after that manages to get nothing else done he'd be a fairly decent president. Obama only looks so good in comparison to his predecessor. Somewhere in America the relatives of James Buchanan are breathing a sigh of relief that George W. Bush existed.

I am basing it on his past actions. How you cannot see that baffles me. Btw i do not think people will go so far that they will turn to communism. As we know democratic socialism is different to communism. NZ is more socialist than America IIRC but still we are not a communist country. I doubt America will allow that to happen and would love to know why you think it could given the majority of Americans loathe communism. Kinda unrealistic idealism there, kinser. I would not waste my time with fantasy that will not happen. Told that to many idealistic and silly boomers and i tell that to an xer too. At the most they will go dem socialist. Far into the future, i cannot say yet as they are yet to be born.

Originally Posted by Taramarie

I am basing it on his past actions.

You mean like turning a million dollars into billions of dollars, yet claim he's a failed businessman? I believe that some of the more outrageous things he has said during the campaign he doesn't actually believe. That being said, the core of his message has been his general message since his days of palling around with Ross Perot. Strangely everyone said Ross Perot was wrong on NAFTA and so forth but history has vindicated him.

How you cannot see that baffles me

No what baffles me is the degree you're asserting things about a presidential candidate you apparently know little about (you know since you seem to believe he's a failed business man when even rappers use the line "up like trump" to brag about their wealth and status).

Btw i do not think people will go so far that they will turn to communism. As we know democratic socialism is different to communism. NZ is more socialist than America IIRC but still we are not a communist country. I doubt America will allow that to happen and would love to know why you think it could given the majority of Americans loathe communism. Kinda unrealistic idealism there, kinser. I would not waste my time with fantasy that will not happen. Told that to many idealistic and silly boomers and i tell that to an xer too. At the most they will go dem socialist. Far into the future, i cannot say yet as they are yet to be born.

So-called democratic socialism is still capitalism. Capitalism with a large welfare state (a welfare state it could be argued that the US can't afford, you know since we're broke and all--completely ignoring the fact that the government prints its own money, we're not fucking Greece or those other retarded EU countries that signed away their financial sovereignty). I also think that the so-called loathing of communism is over blown. Boomers yes loath it, most Xers are actually indifferent and Millies are positive about socialism over all. Given the choice between communism and starvation people will pick communism every time.

That said I don't think Trump will wreck the country (unsourced claims by TYT not withstanding). Now for some MMT. The simple fact is as long as the US uses its own currency and its debt is denominated in its own currency it could never go bankrupt. It would be like saying Kinser is broke, but Kinser issues the very Kinser Dollars everyone is so fond of buying oil and other resources with. Those Kinser Dollars that people flock to sell things to Kinser to get. Does. Not. Compute.

At worst, if he decides he's not going to play chicken with congress and they don't up the debt limit, the credit rating of the US would go down, but US treasuries are still the secure investment of choice and are likely to remain so for the next 8 years barring WW3 breaking out.

As such considering the alternative would be an unmitigated disaster--Hillary being one of the very architects of very disaster the country is in (remember she's been in the beltway as we call it for 25 years now) I think Trump couldn't possibly do worse than Bush II and he's a better alternative to Clinton every time. Granted Bernie would be better still (and yes he's a dem-soc but I'll take incremental steps if that is what it takes) but it wasn't meant to be. The party bosses wanted to annoint HRC, they have, and now they will lose. She has strong unfavorables even among the very demographics the Dems count on.

There is a reason after all that Daddy was picked over all the slickest politicians the GOP had to offer. Jeb Bush is one slick politician (I know he was my governor for 8 years). Ted Cruz, while generally hated is likewise a slick politician--he was also born in Canada and is therefore ineligible to be President, but I digress. Rubio never had a chance really he is neither slick nor a decent politician, he couldn't even hold his seat if he ran which is why he's retiring after one term in the Senate (and he's no old codger). And Rand Paul is quite frankly too weird to be President--he's okay as a Senator from Kentucky (which is itself a weird state). I won't go into Krispy Kreme (he never had a chance in the South and the GOP can't win without the South, and even less of a chance after the George Washington Bridge fiasco), Kaisich was a joke from day one, and Carson is a pathological liar.

What is idealistic is the expectation that Hillary won't have her skeletons removed from her closet. In all seriousness she is the easiest candidate to beat from the Dem side--the GOP could run a potted plant and still win. That said, they (I voted in the Democratic primary) selected Daddy who is the most disruptive candidate since Ronald Reagan. Who interestingly enough, everyone else said would never be president.

Originally Posted by Cynic Hero '86

Boomers refusing to allow reform are now trying to ram the hildabeast down our throats. Xers and Millennials will break en masse to vote for trump because we are not going to just sit there and be screwed over to benefit you selfish boomer elite sacks of feces. We are tired of ineptitude running our country while the obviously superior classes and cohorts and disenfranchised and marginalized.

There is some truth to this. Everyone is tired of the usual suspects so many people are willing to risk Trump.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

You mean like turning a million dollars into billions of dollars, yet claim he's a failed businessman? I believe that some of the more outrageous things he has said during the campaign he doesn't actually believe. That being said, the core of his message has been his general message since his days of palling around with Ross Perot. Strangely everyone said Ross Perot was wrong on NAFTA and so forth but history has vindicated him.



No what baffles me is the degree you're asserting things about a presidential candidate you apparently know little about (you know since you seem to believe he's a failed business man when even rappers use the line "up like trump" to brag about their wealth and status).





So-called democratic socialism is still capitalism. Capitalism with a large welfare state (a welfare state it could be argued that the US can't afford, you know since we're broke and all--completely ignoring the fact that the government prints its own money, we're not fucking Greece or those other retarded EU countries that signed away their financial sovereignty). I also think that the so-called loathing of communism is over blown. Boomers yes loath it, most Xers are actually indifferent and Millies are positive about socialism over all. Given the choice between communism and starvation people will pick communism every time.

That said I don't think Trump will wreck the country (unsourced claims by TYT not withstanding). Now for some MMT. The simple fact is as long as the US uses its own currency and its debt is denominated in its own currency it could never go bankrupt. It would be like saying Kinser is broke, but Kinser issues the very Kinser Dollars everyone is so fond of buying oil and other resources with. Those Kinser Dollars that people flock to sell things to Kinser to get. Does. Not. Compute.

At worst, if he decides he's not going to play chicken with congress and they don't up the debt limit, the credit rating of the US would go down, but US treasuries are still the secure investment of choice and are likely to remain so for the next 8 years barring WW3 breaking out.

As such considering the alternative would be an unmitigated disaster--Hillary being one of the very architects of very disaster the country is in (remember she's been in the beltway as we call it for 25 years now) I think Trump couldn't possibly do worse than Bush II and he's a better alternative to Clinton every time. Granted Bernie would be better still (and yes he's a dem-soc but I'll take incremental steps if that is what it takes) but it wasn't meant to be. The party bosses wanted to annoint HRC, they have, and now they will lose. She has strong unfavorables even among the very demographics the Dems count on.

There is a reason after all that Daddy was picked over all the slickest politicians the GOP had to offer. Jeb Bush is one slick politician (I know he was my governor for 8 years). Ted Cruz, while generally hated is likewise a slick politician--he was also born in Canada and is therefore ineligible to be President, but I digress. Rubio never had a chance really he is neither slick nor a decent politician, he couldn't even hold his seat if he ran which is why he's retiring after one term in the Senate (and he's no old codger). And Rand Paul is quite frankly too weird to be President--he's okay as a Senator from Kentucky (which is itself a weird state). I won't go into Krispy Kreme (he never had a chance in the South and the GOP can't win without the South, and even less of a chance after the George Washington Bridge fiasco), Kaisich was a joke from day one, and Carson is a pathological liar.

What is idealistic is the expectation that Hillary won't have her skeletons removed from her closet. In all seriousness she is the easiest candidate to beat from the Dem side--the GOP could run a potted plant and still win. That said, they (I voted in the Democratic primary) selected Daddy who is the most disruptive candidate since Ronald Reagan. Who interestingly enough, everyone else said would never be president.

Most of his businesses have failed and as he says he likes to play with bankruptcy. I do not trust that man. He is not mature enough for the role either. Have you seen his tweets? He is still a child.

I do not understand why you mix socialism with communism. They are different. If millies love their freedom, they will not go with communism. Freedoms such as owning their own things, their hard earned cash etc. Good luck turning millies to communism which is different to socialism and dem socialism.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

You mean like turning a million dollars into billions of dollars, yet claim he's a failed businessman? I believe that some of the more outrageous things he has said during the campaign he doesn't actually believe. That being said, the core of his message has been his general message since his days of palling around with Ross Perot. Strangely everyone said Ross Perot was wrong on NAFTA and so forth but history has vindicated him.



No what baffles me is the degree you're asserting things about a presidential candidate you apparently know little about (you know since you seem to believe he's a failed business man when even rappers use the line "up like trump" to brag about their wealth and status).





So-called democratic socialism is still capitalism. Capitalism with a large welfare state (a welfare state it could be argued that the US can't afford, you know since we're broke and all--completely ignoring the fact that the government prints its own money, we're not fucking Greece or those other retarded EU countries that signed away their financial sovereignty). I also think that the so-called loathing of communism is over blown. Boomers yes loath it, most Xers are actually indifferent and Millies are positive about socialism over all. Given the choice between communism and starvation people will pick communism every time.

That said I don't think Trump will wreck the country (unsourced claims by TYT not withstanding). Now for some MMT. The simple fact is as long as the US uses its own currency and its debt is denominated in its own currency it could never go bankrupt. It would be like saying Kinser is broke, but Kinser issues the very Kinser Dollars everyone is so fond of buying oil and other resources with. Those Kinser Dollars that people flock to sell things to Kinser to get. Does. Not. Compute.

At worst, if he decides he's not going to play chicken with congress and they don't up the debt limit, the credit rating of the US would go down, but US treasuries are still the secure investment of choice and are likely to remain so for the next 8 years barring WW3 breaking out.

As such considering the alternative would be an unmitigated disaster--Hillary being one of the very architects of very disaster the country is in (remember she's been in the beltway as we call it for 25 years now) I think Trump couldn't possibly do worse than Bush II and he's a better alternative to Clinton every time. Granted Bernie would be better still (and yes he's a dem-soc but I'll take incremental steps if that is what it takes) but it wasn't meant to be. The party bosses wanted to annoint HRC, they have, and now they will lose. She has strong unfavorables even among the very demographics the Dems count on.

There is a reason after all that Daddy was picked over all the slickest politicians the GOP had to offer. Jeb Bush is one slick politician (I know he was my governor for 8 years). Ted Cruz, while generally hated is likewise a slick politician--he was also born in Canada and is therefore ineligible to be President, but I digress. Rubio never had a chance really he is neither slick nor a decent politician, he couldn't even hold his seat if he ran which is why he's retiring after one term in the Senate (and he's no old codger). And Rand Paul is quite frankly too weird to be President--he's okay as a Senator from Kentucky (which is itself a weird state). I won't go into Krispy Kreme (he never had a chance in the South and the GOP can't win without the South, and even less of a chance after the George Washington Bridge fiasco), Kaisich was a joke from day one, and Carson is a pathological liar.

What is idealistic is the expectation that Hillary won't have her skeletons removed from her closet. In all seriousness she is the easiest candidate to beat from the Dem side--the GOP could run a potted plant and still win. That said, they (I voted in the Democratic primary) selected Daddy who is the most disruptive candidate since Ronald Reagan. Who interestingly enough, everyone else said would never be president.

Personally, I also loathe Hillary. If I were to vote for anyone (if i could) it would be Bernie. Bernie would be the best chance to beat that ahole Trump.

Originally Posted by Taramarie

Most of his businesses have failed

Citation is needed. Very much needed. A man doesn't become the 133rd richest person in the US by failing at business.

and as he says he likes to play with bankruptcy.

He has said this? Again citation needed. That said bankruptcy is much more common in construction and real estate than other lines of business.

I do not trust that man.

Irrelevant. You're not in the US, and even if you were you couldn't vote in our elections anyway. You saying you don't trust Trump is like me saying I don't trust your PM. No one in NZ really cares what I think about the Kiwi PM.

He is not mature enough for the role either. Have you seen his tweets? He is still a child.

I've seen his tweets. Personally I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't tweet outlandish things to get it on the news. In "The Art of the Deal" (you know that book he wrote about business, which apparently he is terrible at being a billionaire and all) he wrote:

Originally Posted by Daddy

The stories that appeared about it invariably started with sentences like “In order to make way for one of the world’s most luxurious buildings...” Even though the publicity was almost entirely negative, there was a great deal of it, and that drew a tremendous amount of attention to Trump Tower...
I learned a lot from that experience: good publicity is preferable to bad, but from a bottom-line perspective, bad publicity is sometimes better than no publicity at all. Controversy, in short, sells.

I do not understand why you mix socialism with communism. They are different. If millies love their freedom, they will not go with communism. Freedoms such as owning their own things, their hard earned cash etc. Good luck turning millies to communism which is different to socialism and dem socialism.

The first thing you have to understand is that New Zealand is not a socialist state. Never was a socialist state, and if they are claiming to be a socialist state, they are lying. Karl Marx clearly defined socialism as the precursor stage to communism, as such the majority of the means of production would be held by the state. As this is not true for New Zealand, NZ is not a socialist state. It is a Welfare State Capitalist system.

Furthermore, under communism, personal goods can and indeed are owned by individuals what individuals may not own are means of production. Owning a house is vastly different than owning a construction firm that builds houses. A house is a durable consumer good just like a refrigerator or a car, anyone who tells you differently doesn't know what they are talking about. That you do not understand this also baffles me. Or did you think everyone shared a communal toothbrush in Socialist Albania or the USSR?

Originally Posted by Taramarie

Personally, I also loathe Hillary. If I were to vote for anyone (if i could) it would be Bernie. Bernie would be the best chance to beat that ahole Trump.

Sanders was the only candidate who could possibly beat Daddy. But the Democrats rejected him. Since the alternative is Hillary, one of the very people who created the mess to start with, there is no reason to give her a mandate to make things worse. The unknown is preferable.

That being said, the US election is being fought out on cultural grounds this time round and not on the cultural issues that Boomers are keen to fight over. It ultimately will be a death struggle between what I call Cultural Libertarianism and Cultural Authoritarianism.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-libertarians/

Originally Posted by Kinser79

Citation is needed. Very much needed. A man doesn't become the 133rd richest person in the US by failing at business.


He has said this? Again citation needed. That said bankruptcy is much more common in construction and real estate than other lines of business.



Irrelevant. You're not in the US, and even if you were you couldn't vote in our elections anyway. You saying you don't trust Trump is like me saying I don't trust your PM. No one in NZ really cares what I think about the Kiwi PM.



I've seen his tweets. Personally I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't tweet outlandish things to get it on the news. In "The Art of the Deal" (you know that book he wrote about business, which apparently he is terrible at being a billionaire and all) he wrote:





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The first thing you have to understand is that New Zealand is not a socialist state. Never was a socialist state, and if they are claiming to be a socialist state, they are lying. Karl Marx clearly defined socialism as the precursor stage to communism, as such the majority of the means of production would be held by the state. As this is not true for New Zealand, NZ is not a socialist state. It is a Welfare State Capitalist system.

Furthermore, under communism, personal goods can and indeed are owned by individuals what individuals may not own are means of production. Owning a house is vastly different than owning a construction firm that builds houses. A house is a durable consumer good just like a refrigerator or a car, anyone who tells you differently doesn't know what they are talking about. That you do not understand this also baffles me. Or did you think everyone shared a communal toothbrush in Socialist Albania or the USSR?

As I said at the start, you will not listen to me, nor anything beyond your perception. You are very much like Eric. So i will let you learn the hard way. I will not waste time further with a man who thinks Millies will become communists. How delusional to think America will turn to that. Keep dreaming! Btw i never said nz is socialist. I said it is more so than America. But i did not say it is is a full blown socialist country. Please learn to read. Keep dreaming one day that America will be a communist country. But if you think so, I am speaking to a delusional man who often calls Eric out on that.

Kinser, I can see you're a strong Trump supporter. You should be the first to vote in my new poll on who's voting for who in the election.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

Sanders was the only candidate who could possibly beat Daddy. But the Democrats rejected him. Since the alternative is Hillary, one of the very people who created the mess to start with, there is no reason to give her a mandate to make things worse. The unknown is preferable.

That being said, the US election is being fought out on cultural grounds this time round and not on the cultural issues that Boomers are keen to fight over. It ultimately will be a death struggle between what I call Cultural Libertarianism and Cultural Authoritarianism.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...-libertarians/

Hell no but i would not vote for either. One is venomous and the other one is an unstable very venomous snake. Neither should govern. But if you want usa to be torn down go right ahead. You guys will pull us all down with you. Citation is not needed to see the obvious. Common sense is no longer common unfortunately. The gis would be rolling in their graves to see that man running for prez. I guess America has become so numb to the political circus it can no longer see a clown when one is in front of them.

Originally Posted by millst98

Kinser, I can see you're a strong Trump supporter. You should be the first to vote in my new poll on who's voting for who in the election.

course he is. He thinks it will turn us into commies. Bhahahahahaa!

Originally Posted by Taramarie

As I said at the start, you will not listen to me, nor anything beyond your perception. You are very much like Eric.

I am? I've not claimed to make any predictions based on the positions of the planets lately. Rather you're not seeing clearly what is happening in America, and honestly that isn't your fault. Most Americans don't see what is happening here clearly either.

So i will let you learn the hard way.

I've learned many things that way. Sometimes it is the only way to learn things. That being said, I'm not wrong on my assement of Daddy. I've been watching him since the 1980s. Hell back during the 1980s I used to fantasize about being a black version of him!

I will not waste time further with a man who thinks Millies will become communists.

If the alternative is starvation they can and will become communists. Bread! Is still a powerful political slogan to starving people.

Btw i never said nz is socialist. I said it is more so than America.

There is no less or more in the determination of what a country's economic system is. It is either one thing or it is not. To say otherwise is like trying to claim that England is more feudal than Japan. Both have monarchs and aristocratic titles (not that they mean anything anymore) and both have capitalist economic systems.

Just so you know kinser....he is for one man one woman marriage. So say goodbye to that right when he comes to power and it is a when if the dems are foolish enough to side with Hillary. He will tear her apart.

Originally Posted by Taramarie

Hell no but i would not vote for either. One is venomous and the other one is an unstable very venomous snake. Neither should govern. But if you want usa to be torn down go right ahead. You guys will pull us all down with you. Citation is not needed to see the obvious. Common sense is no longer common unfortunately. The gis would be rolling in their graves to see that man running for prez. I guess America has become so numb to the political circus it can no longer see a clown when one is in front of them.

Again you're seeing trees but not the forest. And yes, when you make outlandish claims I'm going to ask for a citation. Failure to provide such citations is of course an argumentum ad ignorantiam falicy.

Actually I knew many GIs personally. Quite a few of them would be saying "Better him than that [expletive deleted]." I've called Trump the GC for a reason, his political lines (not his damn twitter feed) calls back to traditional Isolationism, America First Nationalism, and Nativism.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

I am? I've not claimed to make any predictions based on the positions of the planets lately. Rather you're not seeing clearly what is happening in America, and honestly that isn't your fault. Most Americans don't see what is happening here clearly either.



I've learned many things that way. Sometimes it is the only way to learn things. That being said, I'm not wrong on my assement of Daddy. I've been watching him since the 1980s. Hell back during the 1980s I used to fantasize about being a black version of him!



If the alternative is starvation they can and will become communists. Bread! Is still a powerful political slogan to starving people.



There is no less or more in the determination of what a country's economic system is. It is either one thing or it is not. To say otherwise is like trying to claim that England is more feudal than Japan. Both have monarchs and aristocratic titles (not that they mean anything anymore) and both have capitalist economic systems.

Why do you keep calling him daddy? It is very creepy.Ah so you are very biased so i am wasting time. You cannot see what he really is. Do not hold breath they will become communists is all i will say. Yes your world is black and white. No variations in between.

Originally Posted by Taramarie

Just so you know kinser....he is for one man one woman marriage. So say goodbye to that right when he comes to power and it is a when if the dems are foolish enough to side with Hillary. He will tear her apart.

Good so am I. The best part about being gay is I don't have to worry about getting married, losing half my money in a divorce and never getting to see my kids (should I ever have any other than the boy who is almost fully grown anyway and will do as he pleases). I have no interest in being a domesticated fag. Personally I find the idea revolting.

Even so, there is nothing he can do about it in any case. The Supreme Court ruled and short of a constitutional amendment nothing can be done on that front. One of the better points of our system.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

Again you're seeing trees but not the forest. And yes, when you make outlandish claims I'm going to ask for a citation. Failure to provide such citations is of course an argumentum ad ignorantiam falicy.

Actually I knew many GIs personally. Quite a few of them would be saying "Better him than that [expletive deleted]." I've called Trump the GC for a reason, his political lines (not his damn twitter feed) calls back to traditional Isolationism, America First Nationalism, and Nativism.

He wants to boot out illegal immigrants correct?

Originally Posted by Kinser79

Good so am I. The best part about being gay is I don't have to worry about getting married, losing half my money in a divorce and never getting to see my kids (should I ever have any other than the boy who is almost fully grown anyway and will do as he pleases). I have no interest in being a domesticated fag. Personally I find the idea revolting.

Even so, there is nothing he can do about it in any case. The Supreme Court ruled and short of a constitutional amendment nothing can be done on that front. One of the better points of our system.

and what about other people's rights?

Originally Posted by Taramarie

Why do you keep calling him daddy?

It's a gay thing. I don't expect you to get it.

It is very creepy.

Perhaps it is creepy. All the more reason to do it.

Ah so you are very biased so i am wasting time. You cannot see what he really is. Do not hold breath they will become communists is all i will say. Yes your world is black and white. No variations in between.

I see many shades of grey. But I will insist on calling those things which are black, black; and those things which are white, white. There is no such thing as "more socialist" or "less socialist". A country is either socialist or it is not socialist. Not even Sweden the homeland of Social Democracy is socialist.

Originally Posted by Taramarie

and what about other people's rights?

What about them?

Apparently you didn't understand my point. The Supreme Court made a ruling. The Supreme Court is not going to overturn that ruling unless someone brings a suit to it on the grounds of same-sex marriage. Therefore, it is a dead issue until and unless someone can some how get 2/3rds of both houses of Congress to pass an amendment to the Constitution and get said amendment ratified by 3/4th of the states. A process that is very difficult to do, and evidenced by the fact that we have the oldest written constitution in the world and it only has 27 times.

And just so you know in the House of Representatives alone thousands of bills to amend the constitutions are proposed, almost all of them die in committee.

Originally Posted by millst98

Kinser, I can see you're a strong Trump supporter. You should be the first to vote in my new poll on who's voting for who in the election.

I did vote. I'm actually far from the strongest Trump supporter around. You should hear my BF. To hear him talk you'd think Milo Yiannopoulos was the second coming of Jesus. I'm just glad I moved us out of the gayborhood before the elections started. Otherwise I might have been burnt at the stake.

Originally Posted by Kinser79

It's a gay thing. I don't expect you to get it.



Perhaps it is creepy. All the more reason to do it.



I see many shades of grey. But I will insist on calling those things which are black, black; and those things which are white, white. There is no such thing as "more socialist" or "less socialist". A country is either socialist or it is not socialist. Not even Sweden the homeland of Social Democracy is socialist.

So you are attracted to him i take it. Yes i would expect a childish approach to the creepy factor comment. Some xers did not grow up after all. Still children, whining that the boomers took their toys then blamed them for it....rather than doing something about it. Electing a boomer is not the way to go about it. But if you think they will go full blown communists...well i guess we all need our pie in the sky. I would love if a fellow millie or millies could respond and say if they would become communists or not...just so you know whether that pie of yours is real or not. Certain policies for different countries will make a country more or less socialist as well as individuals doing things for people in need. What is done with the money makes the difference. Things like subsidized student loans or doctors bills/prescriptions. When i mention this to Americans some instantly freak out and scream socialism which i think is idiotic but tells me that Americans must not have a system like that that uses tax dollars to help the poor have basic rights which are made more affordable. Hospital is free (obviously tax dollars used for this). That is more of a socialist kind of society "All individuals should have access to basic articles of consumption and public goods to allow for self-actualization." http://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism