From the Generational Inquiry Group:

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/153/story_15355_1.html

It was noted that the younger groups seem to be less tied to religion. Interesting generational implications.

I match with the "Spiritual but not Religious" tribe.

I must be part of a lost 13th tribe

Ideology: Conservative 40%, Moderate 40%, Liberal 10%

Party: Idependent

What I care about:

*National sovereignty and security (Highly conservative in this area). With this comes language (English: If you live here learn it and speak it.) Culture (Respect our national traditions) and borders (secure them and purge the illegals). Contrary to the trend i've set, I am for the seperation of church and state because I don't expect anyone to infringe on my beliefs...to each his own.


*Cultural decency (Moderate, as I understand you really can't legislate morality. Public matters should be handled in a conservative way, while what goes on in the home is private and more liberally delt with. You cant force people not to be degenerates but you can hold them to a reasonable public standard.)

*Economy (Fiscal conservative)


About the candidates:

I prefer Bush to Kerry, as I dislike Kerry in much the same knee jerk, irrational way that so many liberals abhor Bush. However I feel both are incompetent and incapable of leading our nation in any meaningful, positive direction.

In the interest of full disclosure I must admit that I look at our entire systems is flawed and that I am probably being a bit hard on both sides. Our system encourages hollow rhetoric and pandering from Demagogues both left and right that give the masses largely what they deserve...more of the same.

I am closer to Jeremiah than any of the Pew choices. I am a credal Xian.

I am not a Bonapartist and am fonder of the House of Stuart, the House of Bourbon, the House of Austria than the cousins of the Corsican Corporal.

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

I am closer to Jeremiah than any of the Pew choices. I am a credal Xian.

I am not a Bonapartist and am fonder of the House of Stuart, the House of Bourbon, the House of Austria than the cousins of the Corsican Corporal.

The House of Stuart would be fine. If not, I will opt for the House of Romanov or even the House of Wessex if there is any known heir alive (both Orthodox). BTW, my calendar shows that Edward the Confessor's feast day is coming up on the 13th (Wednesday) if you choose to recognize it. He faithfully broke communion with Rome post-Schism and restored it with the True Church in Constantinople thereby setting the stage for the papally inspired invasion of William the Bastard from Normandy. Long live Edward's name!

And what is it with this "Pew" organization that they never seem to come up with classifications that adequately reflect reality in anything they do? I must join Saari in the unlisted 13th tribe.

The Thirteenth Tribe we shall call the "Manassehites" as the tribe of Joseph divided into two subtribes that later each got full tribal standing. The descendents of Ephraim got first billing (it has to do with an old, dying man crossing his arms, long story . . . ) so the descendents of his older brother are by default the "thirteenth".

Now we have two Manassehites voting for Bush (Jeremiah and Mr. Saari), and Seadog presumably not voting (?). Any others??

Originally Posted by William Jennings Bryan

... and Seadog presumably not voting (?).

Uh, page me when they bring back simple paper and pen balloting such as that used during the Colonial Era. As far as I know, the current Canadian system would be fine. Then I will vote again. Oh, you might want to visit the Fountain of Youth before waiting for action on this front....

Originally Posted by William Jennings Bryan

The Thirteenth Tribe we shall call the "Manassehites" as the tribe of Joseph divided into two subtribes that later each got full tribal standing. The descendents of Ephraim got first billing (it has to do with an old, dying man crossing his arms, long story . . . ) so the descendents of his older brother are by default the "thirteenth".

Now we have two Manassehites voting for Bush (Jeremiah and Mr. Saari), and Seadog presumably not voting (?). Any others??

Make that one, Mr. Bryan, as I do not intend to put a bicorne upon my pate and will be voting for someone other than a Buonaparte cousin. It remains to be seen who will be on the Minnesota ballot for electors. As of today I am offered: Better Life (Mr. Nader), Christian Freedom (Mr. Thomas Harens), Constitution (Mr. Peroutka), Democratic-Farmer-Labor (Mr. Kerry), Green (Mr. Cobb), Libertarian (Mr. Badnarik), Republican (Mr. Bush), Socialist Equality (Mr. Bill Van Auken), Socialist Workers (Mr. Roger Calero). The Greens, GOP, and DFL have major party status in Minnesota.

The Minnesota Electors have taken my instruction only once in 28 years, and I think they will plunk down for one of the S&B Eli cousins of the Emperor of the French this time around, making it once in 32 years.

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

Originally Posted by William Jennings Bryan

The Thirteenth Tribe we shall call the "Manassehites" as the tribe of Joseph divided into two subtribes that later each got full tribal standing. The descendents of Ephraim got first billing (it has to do with an old, dying man crossing his arms, long story . . . ) so the descendents of his older brother are by default the "thirteenth".

Now we have two Manassehites voting for Bush (Jeremiah and Mr. Saari), and Seadog presumably not voting (?). Any others??

Make that one, Mr. Bryan, as I do not intend to put a bicorne upon my pate and will be voting for someone other than a Buonaparte cousin. It remains to be seen who will be on the Minnesota ballot for electors. As of today I am offered: Better Life (Mr. Nader), Christian Freedom (Mr. Thomas Harens), Constitution (Mr. Peroutka), Democratic-Farmer-Labor (Mr. Kerry), Green (Mr. Cobb), Libertarian (Mr. Badnarik), Republican (Mr. Bush), Socialist Equality (Mr. Bill Van Auken), Socialist Workers (Mr. Roger Calero). The Greens, GOP, and DFL have major party status in Minnesota.

The Minnesota Electors have taken my instruction only once in 28 years, and I think they will plunk down for one of the S&B Eli cousins of the Emperor of the French this time around, making it once in 32 years.

That's one Manassehite for Bush, and two non-votes.

Is the House of Jeroboam running anyone this year? They would, however, call for a preemptive war on Assyria and cut off relations with the Judeans. :wink:

...the Religious Left, Spritual but not Religious, and Black Protestant camps are all fighting over me

I've noticed that one of the 'Tribes' mentioned is 'Others'. As one might suppose from such a label, it would be reasonable to expect that these voters would be all over the place politically, even if most of them tend towards the Democratic Party. Specifically, I am thinking of one subset of Neopagan, the Asatruar (Norse Pagans), whom I suspect have a much higher percentage of Republicans than other Neopagan subsets, like Wiccans, for example. In fact, I once speculated that Asatru might be a form of Neopaganism that would be more at home in (or at least with) the Red Zone than the Blue, in that aside from the obvious issue of monotheism vs. polytheism, Asatru values and ethics have much in common with those of the various Red Zone 'Tribes', while other forms of Neopaganism have more in common ethically with the 'Spiritual' and 'Religious Left' Tribes within the Blue Zone.

The 12 divisions are interesting but somewhat artificial. 12% of the religious right are separated off from another conservative religious group of about the same size that includes Bush. They are pretty much one group. They also identify a "religious left" (which has fewer "liberals" than some other groups), but parts of their other tribes could also be considered such.

Spiritual but Not Religious is my group; all 4 of their examples are well-known new agers. Dennis Kucinich is the new age presidential candidate. Some of us are affiliated with a church, which they didn't seem to think was possible; but I am. There is also some overlap with Wiccans, whom they put in another group. The 12 tribes don't seem too well-defined, and on many of the issues they identify, such as gay marriage, there is not much difference of opinion among the tribes. In one of their tribes; they cited 42% favor same-sex unions as "liberal," when in fact that's just about the national average. So you can identify religious groupings, but only a minority of them are very monolithic spiritually or politically.

I'm a Convertible Catholic in this system - and it's interesting that they bring up stem-cell research because here in California there is a ballot initiative to fund it (Proposition 71) and I'm voting Yes on it (I also plan to vote a most emphatic "NO" on Proposition 66, which would water down the state's "three strikes" law - and do so retroactively, releasing tens of thousands of dangerous and dastardly criminals onto California's streets).

Originally Posted by Anthony '58 II

(I also plan to vote a most emphatic "NO" on Proposition 66, which would water down the state's "three strikes" law - and do so retroactively, releasing tens of thousands of dangerous and dastardly criminals onto California's streets).

"dastardly"? how riveran....


TK

I'm probably in the "Spiritual but Not Religious" category, though I have some "Secular" tendencies as well.

Originally Posted by Titus Sabinus Parthicus

I've noticed that one of the 'Tribes' mentioned is 'Others'. As one might suppose from such a label, it would be reasonable to expect that these voters would be all over the place politically, even if most of them tend towards the Democratic Party. Specifically, I am thinking of one subset of Neopagan, the Asatruar (Norse Pagans), whom I suspect have a much higher percentage of Republicans than other Neopagan subsets, like Wiccans, for example. In fact, I once speculated that Asatru might be a form of Neopaganism that would be more at home in (or at least with) the Red Zone than the Blue, in that aside from the obvious issue of monotheism vs. polytheism, Asatru values and ethics have much in common with those of the various Red Zone 'Tribes', while other forms of Neopaganism have more in common ethically with the 'Spiritual' and 'Religious Left' Tribes within the Blue Zone.

:wink:

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Anthony '58 II

(I also plan to vote a most emphatic "NO" on Proposition 66, which would water down the state's "three strikes" law - and do so retroactively, releasing tens of thousands of dangerous and dastardly criminals onto California's streets).

"dastardly"? how riveran....


TK

Actually, Prop.66 will release mostly prisoners who were put back in jail for petty crimes like stealing a bicycle. Those who have been convicted of violent crimes will still have to serve out their sentences, and the 3 strikes will still be in effect for violent crimes. CA is the only state with this 3 strikes laws which applies to crimes which are neither serious nor violent.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Anthony '58 II

(I also plan to vote a most emphatic "NO" on Proposition 66, which would water down the state's "three strikes" law - and do so retroactively, releasing tens of thousands of dangerous and dastardly criminals onto California's streets).

"dastardly"? how riveran....


TK

Actually, Prop.66 will release mostly prisoners who were put back in jail for petty crimes like stealing a bicycle. Those who have been convicted of violent crimes will still have to serve out their sentences, and the 3 strikes will still be in effect for violent crimes. CA is the only state with this 3 strikes laws which applies to crimes which are neither serious nor violent.

I don't really know much of this Prop. 66 but on a related note, I would like to see all prisons turned into 'Work Camps'.

Bush signs global anti-Semitism law

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...4846&printer=1

-snip-

"It requires the department to document acts of physical violence against Jews, their property, cemeteries and places of worship abroad, as well as local governments' responses to them and take note of instances of anti-Jewish propaganda and governments' readiness to promote unbiased school curricula."

I have to be honest and say that I am not sure how I feel about this. It comes across as favoritism to a degree. Black Christians are being slain by the thousands in the Sudan right now. Not to mention my reservations over items that increasingly put the New testament at risk for being classified as "Hate speech", i.e. "His blood be upon us and our children!" (Matthew 27:25). I believe in the idea and that the intent is good, but something about this story concerns me. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Jeremiah175

I must be part of a lost 13th tribe

Ideology: Conservative 40%, Moderate 40%, Liberal 10%

Party: Idependent

What I care about:

*National sovereignty and security (Highly conservative in this area). With this comes language (English: If you live here learn it and speak it.) Culture (Respect our national traditions) and borders (secure them and purge the illegals). Contrary to the trend i've set, I am for the seperation of church and state because I don't expect anyone to infringe on my beliefs...to each his own.


*Cultural decency (Moderate, as I understand you really can't legislate morality. Public matters should be handled in a conservative way, while what goes on in the home is private and more liberally delt with. You cant force people not to be degenerates but you can hold them to a reasonable public standard.)

*Economy (Fiscal conservative)


About the candidates:

I prefer Bush to Kerry, as I dislike Kerry in much the same knee jerk, irrational way that so many liberals abhor Bush. However I feel both are incompetent and incapable of leading our nation in any meaningful, positive direction.

In the interest of full disclosure I must admit that I look at our entire systems is flawed and that I am probably being a bit hard on both sides. Our system encourages hollow rhetoric and pandering from Demagogues both left and right that give the masses largely what they deserve...more of the same.

Dude, you are righteous!

This is like way too Exodus for me man.