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Post#1 at 05-20-2005 06:10 PM by Wiz83 [at Albuquerque, New Mexico joined Feb 2005 #posts 663]
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Interstellar Saeculum

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Post#2 at 05-21-2005 08:42 AM by The Grey Badger [at Albuquerque, NM joined Sep 2001 #posts 8,876]
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Interstellar saeculum scenario

I think you should now identify a part that would carry an action plot, put your characters in the middle of it, get a four-book story arc going, and let me know when you sell the series.

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Post#3 at 05-21-2005 08:39 PM by Tom Mazanec [at NE Ohio 1958 joined Sep 2001 #posts 1,511]
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And it will be another besides my Mammaloids Future History







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Not to mention 'Babylon 5'.







Post#5 at 05-22-2005 03:15 PM by Roadbldr '59 [at Vancouver, Washington joined Jul 2001 #posts 8,275]
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... or the Star Trek franchise, although in fact ST actually works quite well here. On your timeline, James T. Kirk and his gallant crew would be Galactics (Heroes)... although McCoy and Scotty could be late-wave Titans (Nomads). The Original Series' Five Year Mission (2266-71) would take place during a High... which fits in well with your galactic exploration New World Order.

Some version of The Wars Of The Planets seems to have occurrred on Christopher Pike's watch on Enterprise in the 2250s... remember the awful battle on Rigel X that supposedly occurred just prior to the events of "The Menagerie/The Cage"? Was there a Federation Civil War? That would explain the lingering animosities between the Vulcans, Tellarites and Andorians in the second-season "Journey To Babel" episode.







Post#6 at 05-23-2005 11:22 AM by Tom Mazanec [at NE Ohio 1958 joined Sep 2001 #posts 1,511]
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Quibble:
I assume Barton dies 2265?







Post#7 at 05-23-2005 02:46 PM by Wiz83 [at Albuquerque, New Mexico joined Feb 2005 #posts 663]
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Quote Originally Posted by Tom Mazanec
Quibble:
I assume Barton dies 2265?
Oh yes sorry, I just noticed that mistake. Thanks for pointing it out though.







Post#8 at 09-28-2005 07:18 PM by A.LOS79 [at Jersey joined Apr 2003 #posts 516]
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Re: Interstellar Saeculum

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I have recently put together through my imagination a science fiction scenario based on the generational cycles of S&H. In this scenario is the unfolding of an Interstellar Saeculum that culminates in the Crisis of 2260, which is the War of the Planets fought between different space colonies of interplanetary humans.
The cycle begins with the Crisis of 2180 concluding and the entire earth uniting under a world government that in the ensuing High, known as United Earth (2185 - 2206), sets out under the dominion of aging Nomads and hubristic Heroes to settle once and for all to end regional conflicts between nations and begins sending space explorers out to begin colonizing the rest of the solar system and beyond.
The Awakening, known as the Age of Utopia (2206 - 2227), begins when the indulged Prophet children born into the prosperous new global order rise up as young adults and attack the new order they had been raised in as spiritually empty and lacking moral principle. Some members of this rising gneration, later known as the Euphoric Generation (2181 - 2203) due to their vision of establishing a euphoric utopia among the stars, found new utopian cults and religions and with their followers migrate to the space colonies originally started by the now despised Hero elders. The fierey young Prophets set out among the stars and settle on the colonized worlds in hope of establishing their euphoria and by the end of the Awakening they have diverged into many communal and spiritual settlements.
In the Unraveling that follows however, known as Separtism and Space Wars (2227 - 2247), the euphoria of the previous 2T begins to crumble as the settlements soon become separate colonies in constant conflict and seemingly collapsing into disorder. Euphorics express horror and offense at the new Nomad generation now coming of age, many of them their own abandoned offspring from the self-absorbed years of the Awakening. This emerging generation, known as the Titan Generation (2204 - 2221) for its space warrior persona, lacks the inner-vision of their next-elders and produces among them the most notorious renegades, space pirates, and the rough and underappreciated fighters of the colonies' many 3T conflicts. Late in the 3T, many midlife Euphorics put their hopes in a new crop of young people and instill in them a sense of civic virtue and cooperation that the renegade Titans seem so much lacking in their and many others' eyes.
T4T arrives with the economies of the colonies falling into absolute disrepair and social chaos soon ensues. Elder Euphorics now act as stewards and seek to lead the colonies out of this disaster while a corrupt political order arises on some colonies that causes the rest of the warring colonies to come together and battle against these other colonies in the War of the Planets (2247 - 2266), which ends with the corrupt political order defeated in battle by heroic young starfighters who triumph under the leadership of midlife Titan commanders.
This triumphant Hero generation, later known as the Galactic Generation (2222 - 2244) for its later exploration and conquering of the far reaches of the galaxy in midlife, helps realize their Euphoric elders' visions and with the end of the 4T comes the establishment of a new Interplanetary civilization out of what was previously a warring band of space colonies.
In the following High the Galactic Generation further builds the new interplanetary order and seeks to explore and colonize the entire galaxy. They are assisted by a helping batch of new young adult Artists known as the Federation Generation (2245 - 2262) who witnessed the destructive War of the Planets not as heroic fighters but as sheltered children and who now seek to bring a sense of humility and feeling to the new galactic order.
What do you think? As you can see I borrowed some real elements of actual past saeculums. Just think of it as the New World saeculum in deep space. I doubt whether the Crisis of 2260 will actually play out this way but still, it's fun to imagine such things. Don't you think? :wink:
Great job applying the model kid. Show this to Strauss and

Howe. Does anyone remember Star Trek? :wink:







Post#9 at 02-27-2012 04:23 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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In The Universe series (Liquid Universe) it was mentioned that Brown Dwarves seem to be almost as common as stars. In color they would actually look like a "cherry orange - red."







Post#10 at 02-27-2012 04:35 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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Brown dwarves described.







Post#11 at 02-27-2012 09:33 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Quote Originally Posted by TimWalker View Post
Brown dwarves described.
Dwarfs. Dwarves are short, stout mythical humanoids that live in mountains.
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Post#12 at 02-28-2012 01:45 PM by disgruntledxer [at Seattle, WA joined Sep 2010 #posts 674]
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I have had a theory that the Golden Ratio which is part of the Fibonacci Sequence which is the cyclical building block of the Known Universe is by the saeculum exists. The Golden Ratio is part of observed galaxies' shape to the formation of seashells. This spinning of galaxies and maybe the Known Universe is the same power that spins generations and the saeculum.
Initially, the questions I ask when reviewing any saeculur event: What did the decision makers know about the cyclical time, when did they know it, and how did they act on that knowledge? Then I can ask the question, "what was their purpose?" I take extra special notice when reviewing events before Generations was released by Strauss-Howe.







Post#13 at 02-28-2012 01:53 PM by TnT [at joined Feb 2005 #posts 2,005]
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Quote Originally Posted by disgruntledxer View Post
... Golden Ratio which is part of the Fibonacci Sequence ...
I LOVE the Golden Ratio! Don't know why, but I'm drawn to to it. I have even designed a house built around the ratio with the assumption that seeing it and living in it would be a kind of ultimate Fung Sui experience! Now if I could just build it and live in it to see ...
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Post#14 at 02-28-2012 05:38 PM by The Grey Badger [at Albuquerque, NM joined Sep 2001 #posts 8,876]
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Quote Originally Posted by TnT View Post
I LOVE the Golden Ratio! Don't know why, but I'm drawn to to it. I have even designed a house built around the ratio with the assumption that seeing it and living in it would be a kind of ultimate Fung Sui experience! Now if I could just build it and live in it to see ...
Check out 18th Century architecture - I have a vague memory of such a design being used but have blanked on by whom and where.
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Post#15 at 02-29-2012 12:40 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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Detection of lower mass brown dwarves. If brown dwarves should follow the same pattern as stars, then lower mass (and fainter) brown dwarves will be more abundant than higher mass brown dwarves. So could one lurk relatively close to our solar system, yet remain undetected due to its low luminosity?
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