Originally Posted by Brian Beecher

Sure, it's no top secret. I took a fall at home on March 7, and broke both wrist and ankle. I shall be partially disabled until at least May 2, the date of my next doctor's visit.

Good luck. Wrists and ankles can hurt for a long time, because we use them both constantly.

Originally Posted by Brian

... To bring things back to global, I would love to hear more opinions on why we don't at least have a dialog on reducing auto dependency, and also about why we don't do more regarding both affordable health care and affordable housing. Does anyone think the latter will be solved by the current foreclosure debacle?

We aren't going to discuss this now, because, to mix metaphors, it is a bottomless can of worms. The minute the issue of cars gets raised, so, by implication, does trucking. Once the whole transport mess is out there, so is the transport cost of remote manufacturing. Add to that, the travel industry gets hammered, because most travel is not really necessary... and so on and so on. Health and housing are already getting some play, albeit not that much considering the concern of most people

All these really belong to the new President, and I hope they're high on the list. Sadly, the list is long.

We're now at $3.559/659/759 for gasoline. Diesel is well above the $4 mark, inching toward the big Five-Oh-Oh at $4.199.

the cheapest I've seen around town as of this weekend is currently $3.76 a gallon

Gas is holding steady, but diesel just ticked up again to $4.299!

There's a Chevron station a few blocks from my house that is apparently, the first gas station in the country to hit the $4 a gallon marker for regular...

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_...ce=most_viewed

High prices for fuels and food, but lagging wages will be part of Democratic campaign ads in November 2008. High prices will be shown as the legacy of Dubya... and McCain won't have a solution.

OPEC is not going to bail the GOP out; after all, Dubya tried to get control of Iraqi oil.

When "more of the same" becomes untenable, changes in the manner of government become necessary. That's a turning.

Originally Posted by stab1969

There's a Chevron station a few blocks from my house that is apparently, the first gas station in the country to hit the $4 a gallon marker for regular...

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_...ce=most_viewed

The article is wrong; the 76 station at Pico and Barrington in West LA was at $4.07 9/10 a week ago.

Originally Posted by Seminomad

The article is wrong; the 76 station at Pico and Barrington in West LA was at $4.07 9/10 a week ago.

well then i guess it's good to know it's worse somewhere else .
I just drove by that particular gas station this morning. its 4 cents higher.

Gas in the PRCambridge went from $3.23 to $3.36 to $3.45 in a week flat. I believe it when they say $4 by June now.

Originally Posted by catfishncod

Gas in the PRCambridge went from $3.23 to $3.36 to $3.45 in a week flat. I believe it when they say $4 by June now.

At the rate it's rising here in this town, currently averaging $3.80+, I wouldnt be surprised if it hit the $4 in the first week of May! However, they were saying on the news this morning that it might actually "level off".... whatever.

Neighborhood station in Silicon Valley today:

Self-Serve Unleaded
Regular $3.95
Mid-Grade $4.05
Premium $4.15

Gas is approaching $3.50 here in Fargo. Diesel is $4.

Upon my return from Virginia, I found gas here in Vancouver at $3.65/75/859. Diesel is holding steady at $4.299.

In Australia at the moment we are paying over USD 5 a gallon for petrol or AUD 1.50 a litre. If it wasn't for the government cancelling the indexation of the petrol excise some years ago it would by now as high as USD 6.70 a gallon.

Originally Posted by Flyingeye76

Just went up to 4.75

$4.75!!!??? Or do you mean $3.75?

Originally Posted by Roadbldr '59

Upon my return from Virginia, I found gas here in Vancouver at $3.65/75/859. Diesel is holding steady at $4.299.

That is about what gas is here in South Arlington/West Alexandria. I was able to find gas at a Shell for $3.56, so I tanked up this afternoon (I was below one-quarter of a tank, so it was time to fill up).

The highest amount I've seen for diesel in the Portland area: $4.469. As the price of petrol marches inexorably toward five dollars per gallon.

Heh, heh. And you thought gas was expensive here in the U.S.?

Check out what they're paying in Sierra Leone. You'll be... shocked .

http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_...050x1200303305

"...gas prices suddenly jumped 70 cents overnight, to
where unleaded gas on both the Vineyard and Nantucket is now selling for
$4.69/gallon. Premium gas hasn't quite reached $5/gallon, but it
probably will soon."

America has given up on SUVs.

Goodbye SUV, hello small cars

Surge in gas prices leads to scaling down of the vehicles Americans drive.

Last Updated: April 27, 2008: 10:07 AM EDT


DETROIT (AP) -- Scott Piechocinski roamed the rows of a CarMax dealership in Charlotte, N.C., on a recent afternoon, searching for something small to replace his son's 2001 Nissan Pathfinder sport/utility vehicle.

He's not alone: As gas prices marched higher and now top $3.50 per gallon across the nation, car buyers across the country increasingly are abandoning SUVs and pickups in favor of smaller crossovers and cars.
"Fuel is money," Piechocinski said. "You have to be realistic."

The trend also is showing up globally and could rival the industry upheaval that followed the last big oil price shock in 1980. That earthquake caught Detroit automakers lacking in the fuel-efficient models buyers were demanding and set the stage for the rise of Asian competitors such as Toyota Motor Co. (TM) and Honda Motor Co. (HMC)

General Motors Corp., (GM, Fortune 500) Ford Motor Co. (F, Fortune 500) and Chrysler LLC rebounded in the 1990s when fuel was relatively cheap and they piled up big profits selling SUVs and pickups. But now history is repeating itself - with a vengeance.

SUV sales drop

Sales of large SUVs plummeted 28% in the first quarter this year, while subcompact sales rose 32%, according to Autodata Corp. Thriftier four-cylinder engines, once despised by Americans for their perceived lack of power, are selling in record numbers.

April sales results to be released on May 1 are likely to show an even more pronounced shift, predicted Jesse Toprak, chief industry analyst for the auto information site Edmunds.com. "That's simply a function of the dramatic increase in oil prices that we've seen in the last few weeks."

The trend away from SUVs started well before gas prices began climbing in 2005, in part because of the introduction of "crossover" vehicles - those with SUV styling but built on the more nimble and fuel-efficient car chassis. SUV sales peaked at 3 million in 2003; they're expected to fall to half that number this year, and the change caught Detroit unprepared.

"It happened too rapidly for the American automakers to take sufficient action," said Aaron Bragman, an auto analyst for the Waltham, Mass.-based consulting firm Global Insight. For example, 74% of the vehicles Chrysler sold in the U.S. last year were trucks and SUVs, compared to 42% at Toyota Motor Corp.

Now owners of SUVs and other gas guzzlers who've seen the price of a fill-up climb sharply are getting a second shock when they try to trade in their behemoths. Used car dealers don't want the big vehicles on their lots anymore because hardly anyone is buying them. Some won't take them at any price.

Small cars are now the largest segment of the U.S. auto market, accounting for 18% of new car sales. Last year, U.S. consumers bought a record 2.8 million of them, and with sales up 4% in the first quarter this year, the record almost surely will be shattered.

In the U.S., gasoline prices are driving the small car boom, but worldwide, it's people in emerging economies gaining wealth, said Mike DiGiovanni, GM's executive director of global markets and industry analysis.

"A middle class is starting to develop, and they're trying to move up scale from smaller cars to the larger compact-size cars," he said.

U.S. buyers, even when they pick larger cars, are going for more fuel-efficient engines.

Six-cylinder engines used to command the lion's share of the market, but 38% of buyers sought four-cylinder engines in the first quarter, the highest since Westlake Village, Calif.-based marketing and consulting firm J.D. Power and Associates began collecting such data in 2002.

That directly affects automakers' bottom lines: A large vehicle with a V-8 engine can command $8,000 more than one with a 6-cylinder, in part because additional luxury features are often packaged with the larger engine, according to J.D. Power auto analyst Jason Rothkop. By comparison, there is a discount of $4,000 when a buyer moves down from a 6-cylinder to a 4-cylinder.

Baby boomers trading in

Demographics also play a role. Baby boomers are trading in larger vehicles as their nests empty, and their children are now of car-buying age. Half of the next generation will pick small cars for their first set of wheels, said George Pipas, Ford's top sales analyst.

"Gas prices are important because they've accelerated these shifts, but the shifts were going to happen anyway," Pipas said. "SUVs were not going to roam the Earth in this decade as they did in the 90s."

Pickup sales also tumbled with the recent downturn in home construction, since they are often used as work vehicles. The weakened economy and falling home values have played a role in the decline of SUVs and pickups.
"We see our consumers coming into our dealerships and wanting to trade down into a lower monthly payment," said Steven Landry, Chrysler's vice president of sales.

A growing number of SUV owners, like Yumberto Menicocci, are leaving the segment altogether. According to J.D. Power, nearly a third of buyers who traded in a mid-sized SUV picked a small crossover or compact car in the first quarter of this year. Just 5% upgraded to a larger SUV.

Menicocci, a resident of the upscale Miami suburb of Palmetto Bay, recently placed his 2003 Chevrolet Tahoe with leather seats and 39,000 miles for sale on Craigslist for $16,000 -- roughly $2,000 less than what his research determined was the Kelley Blue Book value.

He bought a 2003 Kia Spectra for $5,000 because he was tired of paying so much for gas with his heavy Tahoe. "I was wasting $30 a day compared to $10 a day," he said.

"Everybody is like, `What is that? Is that the maid's car?"' said Menicocci, who sells marble and granite for a living. "But I don't care. At this point, I'm way past looks and appearances."

Using technology for gas-tracking in today's WSJ. BTW, the Millie featured in the article is my cousin!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121020930375775415.html

Currently in Fargo regular unleaded is ~$3.60 and diesel is ~$4.40, a jump of $0.20 in about 2 weeks.

Good news first: Regular gas at my neighbourhood station is still under $4.00 per gallon.

Now for the bad news: Premium is now $3.999!

And it gets worse: Petrol at most stations in Vancouver is a tad more expensive. Mine may be the last under-4 premium in town.

Originally Posted by Roadbldr '59

Good news first: Regular gas at my neighbourhood station is still under $4.00 per gallon.

Now for the bad news: Premium is now $3.999!

And it gets worse: Petrol at most stations in Vancouver is a tad more expensive. Mine may be the last under-4 premium in town.

Premium here is generally holding at $3.999 even as regular creeps up. One station, though, just went from $3.699/$3.899 (I think)/$3.999 to $3.799/$3.999/$4.159.

Originally Posted by Earl and Mooch

Premium here is generally holding at $3.999 even as regular creeps up. One station, though, just went from $3.699/$3.899 (I think)/$3.999 to $3.799/$3.999/$4.159.

I Am Legend may have it right... recalling the scene showing gasoline at $6.87 per gallon when the plague hit in late 2009.