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Post#551 at 05-14-2008 09:48 PM by The Wonkette [at Arlington, VA 1956 joined Jul 2002 #posts 9,209]
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Premium is now over $4.00 at the Exxon gas station right by the office. Regular is something like $3.79.
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Post#552 at 05-15-2008 09:22 PM by moorele [at Island County, WA joined Jan 2008 #posts 32]
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Here in King City gas is $4.18

Just turned down a job offer in Arlington VA because the rental costs would be twice what I pay here







Post#553 at 05-15-2008 11:49 PM by Roadbldr '59 [at Vancouver, Washington joined Jul 2001 #posts 8,281]
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Quote Originally Posted by moorele View Post
Here in King City gas is $4.18

Just turned down a job offer in Arlington VA because the rental costs would be twice what I pay here
Hey, where do you live, however? Would you make substantially more money in Northern VA than where you live now? My salary would be only a smidgeon more... which is the main reason I don't live there now. But if home prices in and around Arlington continue to drop like rocks, and Portland/Vancouver continues to inch up...
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Post#554 at 05-15-2008 11:53 PM by Roadbldr '59 [at Vancouver, Washington joined Jul 2001 #posts 8,281]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Wonkette View Post
Premium is now over $4.00 at the Exxon gas station right by the office. Regular is something like $3.79.
I just probably filled my last under-4 tank of gas forever. Mid-grade at my local station is now going for $3.999... premium is at $4.079. The highest priced station in Vancouver, at Mill Plain and Main, sells premium gas for a whopping $4.199.

But what really blows me away is how the public reaction is miles away from the late Awakening, the last time we had a comparable runup in gasoline prices. Then again, there weren't any gas lines during World War 2-era shortages either.
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Post#555 at 05-16-2008 12:41 AM by moorele [at Island County, WA joined Jan 2008 #posts 32]
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Roadblder,
I tossed that comment in because Wonkett is in Arlington. I am in Monterey County CA.

I was surprised at the cost of living in N VA, much higher than I remember when I lived there in the early 90s. The extra housing costs there far exceeded the piddly salary increase the job offered. So, I'll keep looking.







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Last under $4.00

Topped off my truck's tank with some $3.999 regular unleaded last night. This will likely be the last time as the station owner lamented he would likely have to kick up the ticker next week.

I commute 100 miles round trip to work each day. I take a communter van with 12 other people for a monthly cost of $120.00. That covers my part of the van lease, the gas, parking, etc. The vanpool is a godsend!

If I had to drive to work my costs would be $110.00/week in gas, $20/week in parking for a cost of over $500/month, not counting vehicle wear and tear.

I know a lot of people in my neighborhood that also commute 100-150 a day to work without the benefit of a vanpool. I cant imagine how long it will be before they buckle.







Post#557 at 05-16-2008 01:49 PM by The Wonkette [at Arlington, VA 1956 joined Jul 2002 #posts 9,209]
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Analog Gas Pumps Not Equipped to Handle $4.00 Gas

From the Washington Post.

Like a lot of small-scale entrepreneurs, Cathy Osborne worries that she'll go out of business if fuel prices rise above $4 a gallon. Not because she won't be able to buy gas at that price, but because she won't be able to sell it.

The old mechanical gas pumps with scrolling dials at her country store in Fauquier County lack the gears to go beyond $3.99 a gallon. State inspectors shut down her diesel pump several months ago when the fuel topped the $4 mark, so now all that's left are two pumps dispensing 87-octane gasoline, set at $3.75 -- and climbing.

"I don't know what I'm going to do. I don't have $30,000 to invest in new pumps, and I'm barely skipping by," said Osborne, who owns the Orlean Market and Restaurant, a store dating from 1892 with horse-country views of the Blue Ridge Mountains and miles of rolling Virginia Piedmont.
Later it says that there is a company that sells kits for analog gas pumps but they have a waiting list of months.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Wonkette View Post
From the Washington Post.


Later it says that there is a company that sells kits for analog gas pumps but they have a waiting list of months.
I vaguely remember when gas first went above $1.00/gal, that some gas stations switched to charging per liter to avoid having to install new pumps.
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Post#559 at 05-16-2008 02:08 PM by Earl and Mooch [at Delaware - we pave paradise and put up parking lots joined Sep 2002 #posts 2,106]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Wonkette View Post
From the Washington Post.


Later it says that there is a company that sells kits for analog gas pumps but they have a waiting list of months.
I know Pennsylvania would let someone like her set the price on the pump to half the actual price, so long as "1/2 Total Sale" was clearly marked at the top. (I remember seeing that for a little while around 1980.) Wouldn't Virginia allow for that?
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Post#560 at 05-16-2008 07:57 PM by The Wonkette [at Arlington, VA 1956 joined Jul 2002 #posts 9,209]
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Quote Originally Posted by Earl and Mooch View Post
I know Pennsylvania would let someone like her set the price on the pump to half the actual price, so long as "1/2 Total Sale" was clearly marked at the top. (I remember seeing that for a little while around 1980.) Wouldn't Virginia allow for that?
Nope. Read the full article that I linked to.
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Post#561 at 05-16-2008 09:27 PM by Roadbldr '59 [at Vancouver, Washington joined Jul 2001 #posts 8,281]
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Quote Originally Posted by moorele View Post
Roadblder,
I tossed that comment in because Wonkett is in Arlington. I am in Monterey County CA.

I was surprised at the cost of living in N VA, much higher than I remember when I lived there in the early 90s. The extra housing costs there far exceeded the piddly salary increase the job offered. So, I'll keep looking.
Arlington VA is more expensive than Monterrey??? That I find rather surprising.

In other news, driving about town this afternoon the highest price I saw for diesel was $4.599. It's a sure bet that diesel will top the big Five-Oh-Oh-(nine) this summer, even if somehow gasoline does not.
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Post#562 at 05-16-2008 09:45 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,715]
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Quote Originally Posted by Roadbldr '59 View Post
Arlington VA is more expensive than Monterrey??? That I find rather surprising.

In other news, driving about town this afternoon the highest price I saw for diesel was $4.599. It's a sure bet that diesel will top the big Five-Oh-Oh-(nine) this summer, even if somehow gasoline does not.
When we were discussing the ouch point where gas usage would drop in major way, the agreed figures were in the $6 - $8 range. I guess we'll get the real answer pretty soon.
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Post#563 at 05-17-2008 11:57 PM by The Grey Badger [at Albuquerque, NM joined Sep 2001 #posts 8,876]
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On the road up to Klamath Falls, OR - I-5, then US 97 - averaged $4.10. I'll be heading north tomorrow unless the Check Engine Light stays on all the way. (Then hunting down a motel and a Honda dealer in Bend.) Anyway -

A friend sent me a picture of the latest $5 bill. Across it was stamped "Good for 1 gallon of gas."

I feel as reckless and extravagant as someone on Dune having an open fountain pouring our water all week.
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Post#564 at 05-18-2008 04:10 PM by Earl and Mooch [at Delaware - we pave paradise and put up parking lots joined Sep 2002 #posts 2,106]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
On the road up to Klamath Falls, OR - I-5, then US 97 - averaged $4.10. I'll be heading north tomorrow unless the Check Engine Light stays on all the way. (Then hunting down a motel and a Honda dealer in Bend.)
Have you tried putting in a couple of gallons of Plus in? That usually does the trick for me. These days, though, I don't bother unless it's close to inspection time.
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Post#565 at 05-18-2008 09:17 PM by Roadbldr '59 [at Vancouver, Washington joined Jul 2001 #posts 8,281]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
When we were discussing the ouch point where gas usage would drop in major way, the agreed figures were in the $6 - $8 range. I guess we'll get the real answer pretty soon.
Indeed. This just in: diesel at my neighborhood filling station is now $4.659.
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Gas consumption down 4.3% in March.

The tipping point may have been reached.

Usual disclaimers apply
Calculated risk notes:
DOT: Vehicle Miles Fell 4.3% in March

by Calculated Risk
Americans drove less in March 2008, continuing a trend that began last November, according to estimates released today from the Federal Highway Administration.
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The FHWA’s “Traffic Volume Trends” report, produced monthly since 1942, shows that estimated vehicle miles traveled (VMT) on all U.S. public roads for March 2008 fell 4.3 percent as compared with March 2007 travel. This is the first time estimated March travel on public roads fell since 1979. At 11 billion miles less in March 2008 than in the previous March, this is the sharpest yearly drop for any month in FHWA history.

It appears that prices are finally impacting demand in the U.S.

As for personal experence, I graduated high school in 1979.
We made our senior trip to Washington DC by bus.
It was a nice break from the gas lines that were within recent memory at that point. ::
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Post#567 at 05-24-2008 01:46 PM by The Grey Badger [at Albuquerque, NM joined Sep 2001 #posts 8,876]
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Quote Originally Posted by Earl and Mooch View Post
Have you tried putting in a couple of gallons of Plus in? That usually does the trick for me. These days, though, I don't bother unless it's close to inspection time.
Ah. I never thought of that and neither of the people I consulted did either. The salesman at the Honda dealership (Sunday - repairs were closed but sales went right on) - explained to me what was happening. I will get my local Honda people to turn the fool thing off, now that I'm home. Plus, eh?

OK - let's see if I have $5 in my wallet ---
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When I left for a business trip to Dallas on Tuesday my corner station was $4.03. When I came back yesterday it was $4.15.
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I filled my tank Thursday evening with my first over-4 gasoline. It went for $4.099 per gallon. At least I don't drive a diesel pickup... fuel oil is now at $4.799.

And this morning, I saw a photo taken in San Diego... at a station selling full-serve premium gasoline for a whopping $5.699!
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Quote Originally Posted by Roadbldr '59 View Post
I filled my tank Thursday evening with my first over-4 gasoline. It went for $4.099 per gallon. At least I don't drive a diesel pickup... fuel oil is now at $4.799.

And this morning, I saw a photo taken in San Diego... at a station selling full-serve premium gasoline for a whopping $5.699!
Nice -- I'm going there the end of next month.
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Where the money from the real estate bubble went

Gas prices high? Blame ENRON!

No, seriously.

The bolding is mine. Usual disclaimers apply.

Perhaps 60 percent of today’s oil price is pure speculation
By F. William Engdahl
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May 5, 2008
The price of crude oil today is not made according to any traditional relation of supply to demand. It’s controlled by an elaborate financial market system as well as by the four major Anglo-American oil companies. As much as 60 percent of today’s crude oil price is pure speculation driven by large trader banks and hedge funds. It has nothing to do with the convenient myths of Peak Oil. It has to do with control of oil and its price. How?

First, the crucial role of the international oil exchanges in London and New York is crucial to the game. NYMEX in New York and the ICE Futures in London today control global benchmark oil prices which, in turn, set most of the freely traded oil cargo. They do so via oil futures contracts on two grades of crude oil: West Texas Intermediate and North Sea Brent.

A third rather new oil exchange, the Dubai Mercantile Exchange (DME), trading Dubai crude, is more or less a daughter of NYMEX, with NYMEX President James Newsome sitting on the board of DME and most key personnel British or American citizens.

Brent is used in spot and long-term contracts to value as much of crude oil produced in global oil markets each day. The Brent price is published by a private oil industry publication, Platt’s. Major oil producers including Russia and Nigeria use Brent as a benchmark for pricing the crude they produce. Brent is a key crude blend for the European market and, to some extent, for Asia.

WTI has historically been more of a US crude oil basket. Not only is it used as the basis for US-traded oil futures, but it's also a key benchmark for US production.

All this is well and official. But how today’s oil prices are really determined is done by a process so opaque only a handful of major oil trading banks such as Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley have any idea who is buying and who selling oil futures or derivative contracts that set physical oil prices in this strange new world of “paper oil.”

With the development of unregulated international derivatives trading in oil futures over the past decade or more, the way has opened for the present speculative bubble in oil prices.

Since the advent of oil futures trading and the two major London and New York oil futures contracts, control of oil prices has left OPEC and gone to Wall Street. It is a classic case of the “tail that wags the dog.”

A June 2006 US Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report on “The Role of Market Speculation in rising oil and gas prices,” noted, “ . . . there is substantial evidence supporting the conclusion that the large amount of speculation in the current market has significantly increased prices.”

What the Senate committee staff documented in the report was a gaping loophole in US government regulation of oil derivatives trading so huge a herd of elephants could walk through it. That seems precisely what they have been doing in ramping oil prices through the roof in recent months.

The Senate report was ignored in the media and in the Congress.

The report pointed out that the Commodity Futures Trading Trading Commission, a financial futures regulator, had been mandated by Congress to ensure that prices on the futures market reflect the laws of supply and demand rather than manipulative practices or excessive speculation. The US Commodity Exchange Act (CEA) states, “Excessive speculation in any commodity under contracts of sale of such commodity for future delivery . . . causing sudden or unreasonable fluctuations or unwarranted changes in the price of such commodity, is an undue and unnecessary burden on interstate commerce in such commodity.”

Further, the CEA directs the CFTC to establish such trading limits “as the Commission finds are necessary to diminish, eliminate, or prevent such burden.” Where is the CFTC now that we need such limits?

They seem to have deliberately walked away from their mandated oversight responsibilities in the world’s most important traded commodity, oil.


Enron has the last laugh . . .

As that US Senate report noted, “Until recently, US energy futures were traded exclusively on regulated exchanges within the United States, like the NYMEX, which are subject to extensive oversight by the CFTC, including ongoing monitoring to detect and prevent price manipulation or fraud. In recent years, however, there has been a tremendous growth in the trading of contracts that look and are structured just like futures contracts, but which are traded on unregulated OTC electronic markets. Because of their similarity to futures contracts they are often called 'futures look-alikes.'

"The only practical difference between futures look-alike contracts and futures contracts is that the look-alikes are traded in unregulated markets whereas futures are traded on regulated exchanges. The trading of energy commodities by large firms on OTC electronic exchanges was exempted from CFTC oversight by a provision inserted at the behest of Enron and other large energy traders into the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 in the waning hours of the 106th Congress.
<>"The impact on market oversight has been substantial. NYMEX traders, for example, are required to keep records of all trades and report large trades to the CFTC. These Large Trader Reports, together with daily trading data providing price and volume information, are the CFTC’s primary tools to gauge the extent of speculation in the markets and to detect, prevent, and prosecute price manipulation. CFTC Chairman Reuben Jeffrey recently stated: 'The Commission’s Large Trader information system is one of the cornerstones of our surveillance program and enables detection of concentrated and coordinated positions that might be used by one or more traders to attempt manipulation.'

"In contrast to trades conducted on the NYMEX, traders on unregulated OTC electronic exchanges are not required to keep records or file Large Trader Reports with the CFTC, and these trades are exempt from routine CFTC oversight. In contrast to trades conducted on regulated futures exchanges, there is no limit on the number of contracts a speculator may hold on an unregulated OTC electronic exchange, no monitoring of trading by the exchange itself, and no reporting of the amount of outstanding contracts (open interest) at the end of each day.” [1]

Then, apparently to make sure the way was opened really wide to potential market oil price manipulation, in January 2006, the Bush administration’s CFTC permitted the Intercontinental Exchange (ICE), the leading operator of electronic energy exchanges, to use its trading terminals in the United States for the trading of US crude oil futures on the ICE futures exchange in London -- called “ICE Futures.”

Previously, the ICE Futures exchange in London had traded only in European energy commodities -- Brent crude oil and United Kingdom natural gas. As a United Kingdom futures market, the ICE Futures exchange is regulated solely by the UK Financial Services Authority. In 1999, the London exchange obtained the CFTC’s permission to install computer terminals in

Then, in January 2006, ICE Futures in London began trading a futures contract for West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude oil, a type of crude oil that is produced and delivered in the United States. ICE Futures also notified the CFTC that it would be permitting traders in the United States to use ICE terminals in the United States to trade its new WTI contract on the ICE Futures London exchange. ICE Futures, as well, allowed traders in the United States to trade US gasoline and heating oil futures on the ICE Futures exchange in London.

Despite the use by US traders of trading terminals within the United States to trade US oil, gasoline, and heating oil futures contracts, the CFTC has until today refused to assert any jurisdiction over the trading of these contracts.

Persons within the United States seeking to trade key US energy commodities -- US crude oil, gasoline, and heating oil futures -- are able to avoid all US market oversight or reporting requirements by routing their trades through the ICE Futures exchange in London instead of the NYMEX in New York.

Is that not elegant? The US government energy futures regulator, CFTC, opened the way to the present unregulated and highly opaque oil futures speculation. It may just be coincidence that the present CEO of NYMEX, James Newsome, who also sits on the Dubai Exchange, is a former chairman of the US CFTC. In Washington doors revolve quite smoothly between private and public posts....

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In the most recent sustained run-up in energy prices, large financial institutions, hedge funds, pension funds, and other investors have been pouring billions of dollars into the energy commodities markets to try to take advantage of price changes or hedge against them. Most of this additional investment has not come from producers or consumers of these commodities, but from speculators seeking to take advantage of these price changes. The CFTC defines a speculator as a person who “does not produce or use the commodity, but risks his or her own capital trading futures in that commodity in hopes of making a profit on price changes.”

The large purchases of crude oil futures contracts by speculators have, in effect, created an additional demand for oil, driving up the price of oil for future delivery in the same manner that additional demand for contracts for the delivery of a physical barrel today drives up the price for oil on the spot market. As far as the market is concerned, the demand for a barrel of oil that results from the purchase of a futures contract by a speculator is just as real as the demand for a barrel that results from the purchase of a futures contract by a refiner or other user of petroleum.

Perhaps 60 percent of oil prices today pure speculation

Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley today are the two leading energy trading firms in the United States. Citigroup and JP Morgan Chase are major players and fund numerous hedge funds as well who speculate.

In June 2006, oil traded in futures markets at some $60 a barrel and the Senate investigation estimated that some $25 of that was due to pure financial speculation. One analyst estimated in August 2005 that US oil inventory levels suggested WTI crude prices should be around $25 a barrel, and not $60.

That would mean today that at least $50 to $60 or more of today’s $115 a barrel price is due to pure hedge fund and financial institution speculation. However, given the unchanged equilibrium in global oil supply and demand over recent months amid the explosive rise in oil futures prices traded on NYMEX and ICE exchanges in New York and London, it is more likely that as much as 60 percent of the today oil price is pure speculation. No one knows officially except the tiny handful of energy trading banks in New York and London and they certainly aren’t talking.
Indeed Enron is getting the last laugh.
This is Californication for you.
Just like the golden state experenced post deregulation energy price hikes in addition to upward pressure in supply and demand and everyone but the speculators was blamed until the truth came out.
Now, it's the whole worlds turn to get the Enron treatment.
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Gas is now hovering between $3.80 and $3.90 here in Fargo. Diesel is around $4.60.
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Madison, WI, has gone over the 4 dollar mark. I did manage to find a gas station selling at 3.93 though.







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I dunno about America, but where I live poorer people are being hurt by record petrol prices, because they drive older (at least 15 years olds, some exceeding 20 years in age), less fuel efficient cars.

The wealthier folks can always buy the brand new or late model more fuel efficient cars.

I am planning on purchasing a used car soon and I want something which will last a while, for the $5000 I am willing to spend all I can really get which is less than 15 years old are big V6 cars (Ford Falcons, Holden Commodores and Mitsubishi Diamante or Magna as we Aussies call it), which go on average miles per gallon on fuel or uses 16 liters per 100km in city driving and 20 miles per gallon on highway driving. Petrol is AUD1.60 where I live right now or USD5.70 a gallon.
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Quote Originally Posted by Tristan View Post
I dunno about America, but where I live poorer people are being hurt by record petrol prices, because they drive older (at least 15 years olds, some exceeding 20 years in age), less fuel efficient cars.

The wealthier folks can always buy the brand new or late model more fuel efficient cars.

I am planning on purchasing a used car soon and I want something which will last a while, for the $5000 I am willing to spend all I can really get which is less than 15 years old are big V6 cars (Ford Falcons, Holden Commodores and Mitsubishi Diamante or Magna as we Aussies call it), which go on average miles per gallon on fuel or uses 16 liters per 100km in city driving and 20 miles per gallon on highway driving. Petrol is AUD1.60 where I live right now or USD5.70 a gallon.
Heh-heh.... they still make the Ford Falcon Down Under, do they? Ford hasn't made a car with that tag here in the States in over forty years!
"Better hurry. There's a storm coming. His storm!!!" :-O -Abigail Freemantle, "The Stand" by Stephen King
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