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Post#126 at 05-29-2003 03:19 AM by Mustang [at Confederate States of America joined May 2003 #posts 2,303]
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Quote Originally Posted by Vince Lamb '59
Here's what I got:

#1 Aquarius (Good news--my girlfriend is an Aquarius...as are my mom, dad, and little sister!)
#2 Virgo (That's me!)
#3 Taurus
#4 Aries
#5 Capricorn
#6 Sagittarius (my ex :P )
#7 Leo
#8 Libra
#9 Scorpio
#10 Cancer
#11 Gemini
#12 Pisces
If Eric would ever get back from guarding the pylon for the Sleestaks, we might lean what this BS actually means. :wink: A few associations occur to me:

#2 Virgo (That's me!)
If I am not mistaken, that would be a woman like Kiff. Rational and practical, analytical and detail-oriented.

#4 Aries
That's gotta be Vic Tayback frying eggs at the diner with a particularly nasty hangover! This type of woman will likely have a butch cut and a pack of smokes wedged in the rolled up sleeve of her t-shirt. She is liable to really knock some sense into you, to put it mildly. :wink:

#5 Capricorn
Stepford wife?







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The ladies ought to like these (and The Pervert as well):

http://www.astrology.com/quizzes/

Eric, this is some serious BS. These quizzes suggest that I dig women of Water signs. Then one quiz establishes unequivocally that I dig women of sun signs trine to my own sun sign. Now if I were a Water sign, this would all be consistent. But I am not (I am an Earth sign). Whaddup?







Post#128 at 05-29-2003 09:11 AM by Child of Socrates [at Cybrarian from America's Dairyland, 1961 cohort joined Sep 2001 #posts 14,092]
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My results from the astrology match test:

#1 Aquarius (my own sign)
#2 Pisces
#3 Virgo (husband's sign)
#4 Gemini
#5 Scorpio
#6 Taurus
#7 Cancer
#8 Capricorn
#9 Libra
#10 Sagittarius
#11 Aries
#12 Leo

FWIW.







Post#129 at 05-29-2003 03:17 PM by Mustang [at Confederate States of America joined May 2003 #posts 2,303]
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Quote Originally Posted by A Nature Spirit
Quote Originally Posted by Seadog '66

Eric, this is some serious BS. These quizzes suggest that I dig women of Water signs. Then one quiz establishes unequivocally that I dig women of sun signs trine to my own sun sign. Now if I were a Water sign, this would all be consistent. But I am not (I am an Earth sign). Whaddup?
Dude, what are you doing? Are you seriously asking Eric for an opinion, or just making fun of astrology?
I'm pointing out to him that the common criticisms of astrology are not unfounded and giving him the opportunity to spin things.

These "tests" are the kind of thing that have made me not take astrology seriously in the past. But I hope you know that they have nothing to do with the kind of astrology that Eric does,
Really? How do you know that? :lol: What's the difference? :grin: Don't mistake my comments for criticism or sarcasm exclusively. I would be very interested to hear from Eric precisely what is wrong with these sorts of tests and why his astrology is so radically different.

By the way, Eric will never get the Sleestak comment. :lol:
Hmmmm. I think it is possible that he might. But it certainly would not surprise me if he did not.







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Post#131 at 05-29-2003 06:02 PM by Chicken Little [at western NC joined Jun 2002 #posts 1,211]
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Quote Originally Posted by Seadog '66
Well, here again I come out a Pisces (68.5 points).
My second-most likely sign is Libra (65.95%)
Third most likely is a tie between Aquarius and Gemini (56.5 pts).

Least likely: Leo, Capircorn, and Aries.

Cancer only came out around the middle (49.5 pts)!

I seem to score consistently high in Pisces, Aquarius, and Libra, and always score low in Aries, Leo and Capricorn.

What are your ideas about this, Eric?







Post#132 at 05-29-2003 07:15 PM by Mustang [at Confederate States of America joined May 2003 #posts 2,303]
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Quote Originally Posted by Xoomer
Quote Originally Posted by Seadog '66
Well, here again I come out a Pisces (68.5 points).
My second-most likely sign is Libra (65.95%)
Third most likely is a tie between Aquarius and Gemini (56.5 pts).

Least likely: Leo, Capircorn, and Aries.

Cancer only came out around the middle (49.5 pts)!

I seem to score consistently high in Pisces, Aquarius, and Libra, and always score low in Aries, Leo and Capricorn.

What are your ideas about this, Eric?
Out of curiosity, did you score highest on the same signs back on the various tests we took over a year ago (linked early on this thread and somewhere else)? I seem to keep coming out Aquarius on all these tests we have linked in the past week but I almost always came out Sagittarius on all those tests we linked over a year ago, and occasionally Scorpio. This suggests to me that no one has yet come up with a really good test of this sort. But I can say that the same four signs seem to always occupy the top four slots, regardless of their varying order of preference from test to test. These are:

Aquarius
Sagittarius
Scorpio
Aries

Aquarius, Sagittarius, and Scorpio always compete for first place on these various tests. Aries is simply always elevated above the pack below, generally finishing in fourth place but occasionally in third. Nothing is worth mentioning below Aries.

Aquarius, Sagittarius, and Scorpio are associated with Uranus, Jupiter, and Pluto, respectively, and these are indeed the three most influential planets on my chart. At first glance, one might say, "Hey wait! There really is something to this!" But to my knowledge, no one else here had the same experience where their various test results accorded with the planetary influences on their chart. Therefore, my experience appears to be coincidental. Do you see any correlation between your various test results and your chart, Xoomer?

Eric, feel free to comment. But I do not see what good all this stuff does if few people actually score highest on their own sun sign. What is the point of even talking about sun signs?







Post#133 at 05-29-2003 08:02 PM by Mustang [at Confederate States of America joined May 2003 #posts 2,303]
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Quote Originally Posted by A Nature Spirit
Stonedog, since I finally noticed that PM that you sent me 3 days ago (oops!) I now know what your REAL interest in all this is. All I can say is thanks, Eric, for not astrologically dissecting me for him. :P
I already told you that Venus in Scorpio must be a total nympho if there is anything to all this! I was just curious to know if you as a person validate the astrological claims, as any red-blooded American boy would be!

Or are you just looking for dates?
Not online. No thanks. Just having fun as usual. :wink:







Post#134 at 05-29-2003 10:13 PM by Mustang [at Confederate States of America joined May 2003 #posts 2,303]
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Quote Originally Posted by A Nature Spirit
What am I, some kind of astrological science experiment? And you were accusing ERIC of making blanket statements about astrology! :P
I don't know about "blanket statements" but you would obviously be a test of astrology's validity (with regard to Venus in Scorpio).

By the way, didn't Eric say that he has Venus in Scorpio too?
Did he? I didn't catch it.

Why not ask him if HE is a nympho?
Egad! I'd prefer not to know. :wink: But in all seriousness, isn't comparing this influence in males and females like comparing apples and oranges? How exactly does a male nympho behave apart from (nearly) every other male? I don't see how you would distinguish a male nympho from a male under the influence of testosterone. On the other hand, the difference can be night and day with females.

Obviously, you find it more interesting to fantasize about me than him, and hormones, not intellectual curiosity, are the driving force here. 8)
No, intellectual curiosity is the driving force here in seeking correlations in order to test the validity of this stuff. But in passing, the average red-blooded American boy cannot help but notice the alleged implications of that Venus in Scorpio thing. :grin:







Post#135 at 05-30-2003 01:04 AM by Mustang [at Confederate States of America joined May 2003 #posts 2,303]
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Quote Originally Posted by A Nature Spirit
Here we go with your sexism again.
(Bowing) Thank you.

Why is it that a woman with a strong sex drive is called a "nympho" but a guy with one is a "red-blooded American male?" I know from our last discussion that you claim not to understand women, so maybe you just don't get that liking sex can be "normal" for women too.
Now you are off in la-la land. No one said anything about liking or disliking sex, or normal or abnormal. In fact, we still lack clear definition of what the heck we are discussing here with respect to Venus in Scorpio because Eric has yet to provide it. Nympho may not even be the right word or concept here. In fact, it is probably wrong. From what I read (due to Eric's silence), it appears to have to do with magnetism or intensity. Is that synonymous with nymphomania? Maybe, maybe not. But one thing for sure, it is damned kewl! :grin:







Post#136 at 05-30-2003 01:38 AM by Mustang [at Confederate States of America joined May 2003 #posts 2,303]
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Quote Originally Posted by A Nature Spirit
Quote Originally Posted by Seadog '66
Quote Originally Posted by A Nature Spirit
Here we go with your sexism again.
(Bowing) Thank you.
:lol:

Oh good. I thought that might piss you off.
Huh? :-?: I'm laughing, I'm not pissed off. 8) Are you pissed off?

I'm not in the mood to have another battle of the sexes with you. 8)
When did we ever have a "battle of the sexes" before?

Look, even if Eric DOES tell you more about my moon or sun or whatever, I'm sure as hell not going to give you any details about my sex life to confirm or deny the predictions!
Nor would I expect you to. Nor would I even ask. You do know that we are just having fun here, right? 8)

And maybe he's just showing politeness and good taste by NOT telling you ... take the hint!
Does Eric know something about your sex life? :lol: How else would he have something to tell much less withhold? :P We were talking about Venus in Scorpio. Anything Eric would "tell" would theoretically apply to roughly 8.33% (1/12th) of the world's population or 500 million people. Eric need not know any details of your sex life whatsoever in order to pontificate on Venus in Scorpio. 8)







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Quote Originally Posted by A Nature Spirit
Our last battle of the sexes was about your editing of Justin's song. But if you don't remember, let's not go there again.
Ah, I see. I never saw that as a "battle." It was just another instance where a woman expects a man to understand something on a par with Neisha's "Queen Bee" phenomenon. It would not matter if I studied a four-year curriculum plus graduate work on this Queen Bee sort of stuff, I would not understand it or anything remotely akin to it. So when a female begins hitting me over the head about something in this vein, I simply tune it out. Comprehension is impossible so resolution is out of the question. She continues shouting in my ear but my mind is in the Bahamas! :grin: And the world keeps turning....

I just went back and looked at one of my many personal astrology readings on the other thread.
My moon is in Libra, I think, not in Capricorn at any rate. So I don't know WHAT that was about. And yes, Eric's Venus is in Scorpio too.
OK, so he is not sitting there playing a game. :wink: I do wish he would come on this thread and pontificate on this subject however. I think his theory about reversing your Sun and Moon is flawed.

By the way, he DID talk about Venus in Scorpio a lot already. Maybe you should go back and look at it again.
Are you talking about a year ago or whenever? He has only given very general, imprecise explanations during the past week.







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Quote Originally Posted by Seadog '66
Ah, I see. I never saw that as a "battle." It was just another instance where a woman expects a man to understand something on a par with Neisha's "Queen Bee" phenomenon. It would not matter if I studied a four-year curriculum plus graduate work on this Queen Bee sort of stuff, I would not understand it or anything remotely akin to it. So when a female begins hitting me over the head about something in this vein, I simply tune it out. Comprehension is impossible so resolution is out of the question. She continues shouting in my ear but my mind is in the Bahamas! :grin: And the world keeps turning....
Huh? Are you sure you're talking about me? And if so, for someone who claims to have his "mind in the Bahamas," you have a much better memory of my "shouting in [your] ear" than I do!







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I do recall suggesting that you read a New York Times Magazine article on high school girls being nasty to each other. I think the conversation came about because you didn't get why Alex thought the girls in his school were mean.

I'm such an ogre. :wink:







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Quote Originally Posted by Neisha '67
Quote Originally Posted by Seadog '66
Ah, I see. I never saw that as a "battle." It was just another instance where a woman expects a man to understand something on a par with Neisha's "Queen Bee" phenomenon. It would not matter if I studied a four-year curriculum plus graduate work on this Queen Bee sort of stuff, I would not understand it or anything remotely akin to it. So when a female begins hitting me over the head about something in this vein, I simply tune it out. Comprehension is impossible so resolution is out of the question. She continues shouting in my ear but my mind is in the Bahamas! :grin: And the world keeps turning....
Huh? Are you sure you're talking about me? And if so, for someone who claims to have his "mind in the Bahamas," you have a much better memory of my "shouting in [your] ear" than I do!
Huh? What? Where? I didn't mean that you were shouting in my ear, nor was I even thinking of that conversation. I was simply referring to tuning out when a woman expects a man to understand something as utterly incomprehensible as "Queen Bee rules."







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Quote Originally Posted by Seadog '66
How exactly does a male nympho behave apart from (nearly) every other male?
You mean "satyr" here, I believe. :wink:







Post#142 at 05-30-2003 01:48 PM by Neisha '67 [at joined Jul 2001 #posts 2,227]
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I think "man-slut" was the term my buds and I used back in my single days.







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Quote Originally Posted by Seadog '66
Quote Originally Posted by Neisha '67
Quote Originally Posted by Seadog '66
Ah, I see. I never saw that as a "battle." It was just another instance where a woman expects a man to understand something on a par with Neisha's "Queen Bee" phenomenon. It would not matter if I studied a four-year curriculum plus graduate work on this Queen Bee sort of stuff, I would not understand it or anything remotely akin to it. So when a female begins hitting me over the head about something in this vein, I simply tune it out. Comprehension is impossible so resolution is out of the question. She continues shouting in my ear but my mind is in the Bahamas! :grin: And the world keeps turning....
Huh? Are you sure you're talking about me? And if so, for someone who claims to have his "mind in the Bahamas," you have a much better memory of my "shouting in [your] ear" than I do!
Huh? What? Where? I didn't mean that you were shouting in my ear, nor was I even thinking of that conversation. I was simply referring to tuning out when a woman expects a man to understand something as utterly incomprehensible as "Queen Bee rules."
In that case, I'm completely baffled as to your reference to me. The only thing I can come up with was a conversation we had about high school cliques.







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Quote Originally Posted by Neisha '67
Quote Originally Posted by Seadog '66
Quote Originally Posted by Neisha '67
Quote Originally Posted by Seadog '66
Ah, I see. I never saw that as a "battle." It was just another instance where a woman expects a man to understand something on a par with Neisha's "Queen Bee" phenomenon. It would not matter if I studied a four-year curriculum plus graduate work on this Queen Bee sort of stuff, I would not understand it or anything remotely akin to it. So when a female begins hitting me over the head about something in this vein, I simply tune it out. Comprehension is impossible so resolution is out of the question. She continues shouting in my ear but my mind is in the Bahamas! :grin: And the world keeps turning....
Huh? Are you sure you're talking about me? And if so, for someone who claims to have his "mind in the Bahamas," you have a much better memory of my "shouting in [your] ear" than I do!
Huh? What? Where? I didn't mean that you were shouting in my ear, nor was I even thinking of that conversation. I was simply referring to tuning out when a woman expects a man to understand something as utterly incomprehensible as "Queen Bee rules."
In that case, I'm completely baffled as to your reference to me. The only thing I can come up with was a conversation we had about high school cliques.
Right. I was referring to the whole deal concerning "Queen Bee rules" which you introduced. My emphasis was the rules, not you. I suppose it was not even necessary to mention you but I thought I needed to add some context in order to jog people's memories about "Queen Bee rules." There was no intent to criticize you personally with respect to anything mentioned in the post or anything else, period.







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Take a chill, dude! You mentioned my name, and I had no idea what you were talking about. Forgive me for being a little curious.

And in response to your PM, maybe you're the one who could use an Ex-Lax or a Midol! :lol:







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Quote Originally Posted by Neisha '67
Take a chill, dude! You mentioned my name, and I had no idea what you were talking about. Forgive me for being a little curious.
That's all I've been doing is chilling. I ended up putting my mind in the Bahamas anyway because this discussion is beyond my comprehension (like "Queen Bee rules").

And in response to your PM, maybe you're the one who could use an Ex-Lax or a Midol! :lol:
Not in the least, and that comment was a joke anyway. I'm keeping my mind in the Bahamas because this discussion makes no sense whatsoever.







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Quote Originally Posted by Seadog '66
I'm keeping my mind in the Bahamas because this discussion makes no sense whatsoever.
I'll say! Imagine what it must be like for those of us without the benefit of context (such as may exist) or PM'd explanatory side-bars! :o







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I should probably clarify, before I get accused of further nastiness, that my friend who coined the term "man-slut," was a self-described "man-slut."







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Venus in Scorpio?

To begin with, associating Venus with sex is oversimplifying. Venus and Mars are both sexual, but each expands into a lot of other areas, too. Venus has to do with aesthetics and the appreciation of beauty and good. Obviously this contributes to sex. Just as obviously, it contributes to many other things, too.

Venus in Scorpio is said to be in "detriment." That's because Venus rules the sign opposite Scorpio, Taurus. Venus in Scorpio is forced to operate in a manner not quite "normal" for the planet. Taurus being a very earthy sign, Venus in Taurus is sensual and directly linked to sensations, from which a person with this placement derives pleasure and the appreciation of beauty. Venus in Scorpio is much more ethereal. It tends to see beauty in the spirit of a person more than in the body. It can be ascetic, or sometimes sado-masochistic.

"Slut" or "nympho" is about as far removed from its meaning as you can get. While people with this placement may well be strongly sexed, they tend to be quite discriminating in their choice of partners, and may go for very long periods without sex, just as they may go for long periods without indulging in other pleasures. It is not at all uncommon for a person with this placement to be deliberately celibate.

I hope this helps some. Eric knows more about astrology than I do, but I'm confident in the above.







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And if that blows some people's prurient speculations about other posters -- I'm frankly delighted.
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