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Post#26 at 09-25-2001 11:20 AM by Mr. Reed [at Intersection of History joined Jun 2001 #posts 4,376]
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The beginning of the end of negative campaigning?

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/2001...overnor_1.html

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Monday September 24 6:19 PM ET

Fla. Candidates Mute Bush Criticism
By MIKE SCHNEIDER, Associated Press Writer

LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. (AP) - In their first appearance together since the terrorist attacks, the state's four Democratic gubernatorial candidates muted their criticisms of Gov. Jeb Bush and promised to support organized labor.

``We've tried to avoid partisan politics and talked about what we can do together to address the concerns of America,'' former Attorney General Janet Reno said after the event, a candidates' forum for the Florida AFL-CIO.

House Minority Leader Lois Frankel, who has harshly criticized the president's brother in the past, said the terrorist attacks could change how she campaigns.

``I think we're all sensitive that this is not the time nor the place for finger-pointing or name-calling,'' Frankel said. ``Maybe this is a new era of civility.''

Reno, Frankel, and the two other candidates - Tampa attorney Bill McBride and state Sen. Daryl Jones - signed a statement supporting labor's right to organize in Florida.

Unions have long complained that state laws allowing workers the benefit of collective bargaining without joining a union weaken organized labor, and complained that the governor's administration is unfriendly to them.

Reno and state Sen. Daryl Jones indirectly criticized Bush's emphasis on standardized testing for students, and his support for letting students at failing public schools use vouchers to attend private schools.

``If you want to fatten a cat, you don't weigh it. You feed it,'' Reno said.

Only McBride mentioned Bush by name.

``I know Jeb Bush,'' he said. ``I've sized him up and I can take him.''

Tallahassee Mayor Scott Maddox, who hasn't decided whether he will enter the race, also attended.

Former Ambassador to Vietnam Pete Peterson dropped out of the race last week, saying he wanted a national or international role after the attacks. </font>
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Post#27 at 09-25-2001 11:24 AM by Mr. Reed [at Intersection of History joined Jun 2001 #posts 4,376]
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More rising calls to use nukes

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...4/100538.shtml

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Father of Neutron Bomb: Use It on Osama
Wes Vernon
Tuesday, Sept. 25, 2001
WASHINGTON ? Top officials in the Bush administration and in Congress have been urged to use a small neutron bomb to wipe out Osama bin Laden in a quick first strike in the war on terrorism.
Sam Cohen, the scientist who invented the neutron bomb, has outlined for these officials his plan to 'do in' the Taliban and terrorist Osama bin Laden, and do it quickly.

That, says Cohen, would go right to the core of the terrorist threat and at the same time satisfy the typically American impatience.

The neutron bomb has a limited blast and causes little collateral damage or lasting radioactivity while killing its intended targets.

"My offhand guess is that the majority of Americans couldn't care less how we 'do in' the Taliban and bin Laden and company, provided we get it done and [quickly]," he told NewsMax.com in a phone interview from his West Coast home.

Cohen, whose views were often accepted by President Reagan, agrees with President Bush regarding the need for the American people to resolve to hunker down for the long term.

The global terrorist threat is indeed "going to go on for years," Cohen agrees, but he is telling policy-makers in Washington, "the name of the game right now is Afghanistan [and] bin Laden."

What we need, he says, is a quick, highly visible strike to begin that war ? one that Americans can see now. That, he believes, would stiffen the public's resolve for the future. The president has already told Americans that the war itself won't be quick and easy and could take years.

"I don't think they're going to be very tolerant of a prolonged [ground war,]" argues the scientist. He cites Korea and Vietnam as examples of the limits of America's patience.

At the same time, Cohen points to the 1991 Desert Storm as an example of an air war of short duration that did not do the job, given that Saddam Hussein remains in office today, as powerful as ever, plus the fact that resulting civilian deaths in that conflict vastly outnumbered military casualties. Hardy consistent with the first President Bush's vow to wage "a Christian war," in Cohen's view.

As a solution that would be both quick and effective, the author of "Shame: Confessions of the Father of the Neutron Bomb" proposes reconfiguring Minuteman missiles. Remove the thermonuclear "big bang" component (hundreds of kilotons). Once that is done, these weapons could be deployed to target the hideouts of terrorists in Afghanistan.

Cohen says his sources tell him the U.S. has "fair intelligence" on the Taliban and "where their units and training camps are spread around."

The problem with "bombing the hell out of them" is that "we don't know where these guys are, and they?re nobody's fool" and now that they know they're under attack, "they?re going to be on the move." They will "burrow and bury themselves" while continuing their training exercises.

To counteract this requires, first, the "element of surprise."

Secondly, there will be a need for a weapon that imposes "mass destruction" that is carefully targeted.

Each Minuteman missile has three warheads. The thermonuclear component could be defused, while keeping the "trigger" at the kiloton level. "A kiloton bomb would do approximately the same amount of harm" as the hijacked airliners did to the World Trade Center Building.

"We hit them unannounced. All the president has to do is punch a button to put the plan into operation, and [these reconfigured kiloton bombs] can be retargeted practically within minutes." Ridding the weapons of the thermonuclear component can be done "within days," Cohen argues.

Further, they would take "considerably less than a half-hour" to reach their destinations. The "kiloton fission" would be a "deadly force," with a radius of about two-thirds of a mile "towards killing people who are exposed." That would be about a square mile, which "ought to cover the area of a training camp." The radioactive fallout would be relatively limited in terms of immediate death and death from prolonged effects.

The neutron bomb stockpile was eliminated after the Gulf War. The weapon had the potential for destroying humans without destroying property. Peace activists around the world had denounced it for that reason.

In fact, Cohen noted, in contrast to his famous invention, the kiloton bomb could destroy property. Also, whereas the neutron bomb can produce widespread radioactive fallout, the bomb he advocates for a quick strike in the current war is more carefully targeted.

Cohen's plan is known to have elicited a very positive reaction in some Washington quarters. Where it goes from there has yet to be determined.</font>
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Post#28 at 09-25-2001 12:53 PM by wesvolk [at '56 Boomer from Andover, MN joined Aug 2001 #posts 150]
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Two columns in today's St. Paul Pioneer Press are very symbolic of the new 4th Turning mood to me. The first is from Knight Ridder Vice President Ken Doctor, the second from syndicated columnist Leonard Pitts...

Published: Tuesday, September 25, 2001

With reality upon us, there's little need for "reality TV'
BY KEN DOCTOR

Have we all had our share of reality now? Have the last two weeks' terrible events relieved us of the burden of thinking that good old day-to-day life as we know it just isn't real enough, that we have to escape into the "reality" of the new generation of "reality shows" spawned by Survivor?
Perhaps as the nightly reports of sorting through the carnage diminish and when the drums of war finally grow softer, we'll be ready to return to the likes of "Fear Factor," "Murder in Small Town X" and "Lost." But somehow I think our interest -- and their numbers -- will fall off. The end of reality TV as we know it may be one sign that the Attack on America really did change America.
It's been one thing to see the postponement of Arnold Schwarzenegger's upcoming "Collateral Damage" and other fantasies that may tread too closely to the recent horrors.
As Americans, we always loved the spy novels, the disaster epics and the single-hero-saving-a-whole-building tale. And we thought we could separate entertainment from our real lives. Now those real lives have intruded on our entertainment.
The most prominent entertainment has been the ascendance of "reality shows," dominating TV ratings since last season. Let's make a distinction between those pre-packaged, Hollywood-star-studded movies that have always distracted us from our daily woes. Let's talk about those shows starring you and me, those that put human beings in vexing situations, hoping that they will turn against each other simply to entertain us. Those shows may now be endangered by a sea change in national will, if not national character.
"Real World" was of course the granddaddy of reality shows. "Real World" is no longer the fantasy MTV told us it was, we all tell ourselves and our broadcast pundits confirm. Our real world, post-Sept. 11, provides a new reality. It's an evolving reality, day-to-day right now: part pathos as New York rescue bravery morphs into recovery drudgery, part tempered "homeland" patriotism as we wait for the other bombastic shoe to drop.
Maybe, after some just war and some period of reflection, we'll go back to our old ways. But maybe we won't.
Maybe with the image of people leaping headfirst from the top floors of the World Trade Center seared into our collective consciousness, we'll no longer want to entertain ourselves with bungee jumpers pursuing cold hard American cash. How much more can we endure of such fabricated drama such as chef Keith's cut hand, when body parts by the hundreds are still being sorted and DNA'ed out of two cities' wreckage?
Suddenly the endless hours of squabbling housemates and greed-to-the-max teams of you against us seem so wasted. And, maybe, so over.
Hollywood, stunned like the rest of us, looked to its heart, and its wallet, and postponed premiere week. As "normal" programming returns, will we really be able to sit still for "The Mole II: The Betrayal," one of almost a dozen reality shows planning to debut this fall? Will we really be able to sit in the same chairs in the same family rooms, where we found ourselves transfixed and sobbing about real moles who somehow evaded the best-funded intelligence apparatus the world has ever seen? Will we have outgrown our outlandish craving to see the Seven Deadly Sins exalted and our worst selves celebrated?
Could we possibly have had our fill of our fellow human beings scared out of their wits, overmatched by their circumstances, separated from loved ones, losing against the odds -- even being voted out of existence itself by their fellow human beings who didn't want them in the same tribe?
Reality TV is an invention of the late 20th century, that post-Cold War, post-industrial time when plenty and pleasure were supposed to create a world without end, amen. It was a world imagined as much by my colleagues in Silicon Valley as those in Hollywood, a world built on the gee-whiz toys that semi-conductors had made possible. That Silicon Valley bubble burst months ago, a little quake compared to the explosion that's followed.
It's small comfort that those of us who laughed at Reality TV's excesses may soon see those days numbered. Unfortunately, we too may soon long for the return of those carefree days when our fellow citizens would stretch the limits of their energies and character for sheer fun, and not as if their lives were on the line.
Ken Doctor (e-mail KDoctor@knightridder.com) is vice-president/content services for Knight Ridder Digital in San Jose, Calif. He served as an editor at the Pioneer Press from 1986-1997.



Published: Tuesday, September 25, 2001

We all need a quiet courage to return to our lives
LEONARD PITTS JR. Syndicated Columnist

For the last few days, I've been trying to remember who Gary Condit is.
Yes, I know. Sleazy congressman. Missing intern. Connie Chung interview. What I mean is, I've been trying to remember what it felt like back in the days when he mattered more than anything else in the world. It all seems so distant now. As unreal as dreams.
But it's not just him. It's football and reality TV, Anne Heche and the Social Security lockbox, Michael Jackson and, really, so many other things that seemed important right up until 8:44 on the morning of Sept. 11. Right up until what we recognize only now as the last minute of our youth.
Sixty seconds later, we all became old. Sixty seconds later, in a flash of fire and a bloom of smoke, things that once mattered ceased to, things that never mattered began to. And everything was abruptly and irrevocably changed.
Now we're told by the leaders of our nation that it's time for us to get back to work, get back to play, get back to life, that to do anything else hands the terrorists the one victory they sought above all others: disruption. And you know that's right, know we have to deny them that triumph, have to get back to what we were doing. ...
But it's hard, man. Damn, it's hard.
Suddenly, life feels not unlike when you walk into a room where your wife has rearranged the furniture. You recognize the pieces, but at the same time, the room seems strange. Nothing is where it was.
That's how it feels in the American house right now. Like terrorism has moved the sofa. So that hotels that ought to be full are not. Limousines that ought to be booked are not. A McDonald's faces layoffs because folks have lost their taste for McNuggets. A stock market graph looks like a cliff. Researchers report that many of us are having trouble sleeping and most of us are depressed.
And my 11-year-old has new interest in my business travel, wanting to know if I really have to fly to Pennsylvania next month. Couldn't I just drive?
What's it like, I asked my colleague, Dave Barry, to be a humorist right now? At a time when most folks feel as if they'll never laugh again, what do you do when laughter is your job description? Dave had been wondering the same thing. "For the last week," he told me, "I haven't even tried to write anything funny, and for a while I thought maybe I never would, or should."
But, he said, his readers have told him that they need laughter from him. "So I'm going to try again, because people seem to want it, and I don't really know what else I can do."
How suddenly strange is the world when Dave Barry doesn't know whether he can be funny in it? How suddenly strange, when you tune in David Letterman's first broadcast since the event, and even King Smirk himself looks ashen and grave. How suddenly strange.
We have come into a frightening new place.
But it's important to know that it demands from us what frightening new places always have. Our toughness -- and our faith.
As Letterman put it, "There is only one requirement for any of us, and that is to be courageous. Because courage ... defines all other human behavior. And I believe ... pretending to be courageous is just as good as the real thing."
I repeat the words because I think they're wise and because I think we need to hear them and heed them.
In recent days, we've marveled, and rightly so, at the spectacular courage of firefighters, police officers and soldiers as they've searched for the injured and made ready for war.
But we ought to remember that at a time when all is upheaval, it's necessary for the rest of us to have -- or, yes, pretend to have -- a different courage. The quiet courage to return to our lives now. To do things we used to do. To make ourselves at home in an unfamiliar room.
I'm going to the movies tonight. I hope I see you there.
Pitts (e-mail: leonardpitts@mindspring.com) is a columnist for the Miami Herald, 1 Herald Plaza, Miami, FL 33132; phone him at (800) 457-3881. Distributed by Knight Ridder News Service.



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Post#29 at 09-25-2001 01:29 PM by Mikebert [at Kalamazoo MI joined Jul 2001 #posts 4,502]
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I had suggested that Bush could gain leverage in bargaining with allies and neutral countries by hinting at the use of tactical nukes (I specifically mentioned 1 kton size). I thought that such a use might be credible and would be taken seriously.

I revieved an e-mail from a colonel who suggested that use of tactical nukes would not be as effective as I had thought.

If enough influential people in the US, like Cohen, talk about using these things world leaders may come to believe that the US might really go ahead and use them despite their ineffectiveness.

If Bush can give the impression that he is facing serious political presure to use nukes *now* if he can't achieve tangible results with his more measured policy, perhaps he can get more co-operation from regimes that aren't too friendly with the US.
I'm thinking the old good cop, bad cop routine.







Post#30 at 09-25-2001 04:01 PM by pindiespace [at Pete '56 (indiespace.com) joined Jul 2001 #posts 165]
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The key to 3T/4T may be the Sept. 30th peace rallies being organized on college campuses. After all, this is a purely external threat as yet. The Sept. 30 rallies will likely include many people planning to go to the cancelled antiglobalization protests earlier this month, and could be quite large.

If the protestors blame the US for the attacks (or there is a violent, anarchist element to these demonstrations) our current national unity may begin to split along a basic globalization/antiglobal line. This would be 4T full-on. At least a part of the Millennial youth would oppose the current national agenda, and things would really hit the fan. After all, there was a very strong pacifist elemnt in the 1930s, combined with isolationism.

On the other hand, if the protests are peaceful and emphasize justice (rather than revenge) we could go in the other direction. The same thing would happen if the protests are very small or called off. Without internal conflict and with now renewed attacks, we might slide back into a final, sullen 3T. The coming war might be more like Kosvo.

If this happens, one of the signs of 3T will be a counterattack by ironic/cyinical entertainers on our current mood. I suspect this would start in early December. They'll make jokes about what they're not allowed to say. Hasn't really happened at this point, but I'm still leaning in this direction. This will make the final 3T->4T shift even more dramatic.







Post#31 at 09-25-2001 04:48 PM by DOC 62 [at Western Kentucky joined Sep 2001 #posts 85]
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Much of the evidence given for a 4T consists of examples of restricting civil liberties, a surge in patriotism (or at least flag waving), and media reaction to the war effort. All of these things also occured during WWI and the Red Scare. There were also plenty of protests against what was happening. Even near bipartisan congressional support of the president is not unique to a 4T crises.

I wonder how much of our opinions are based on a lack of knowledge of the time before and after WWI? Many posters have expressed an ignorance of the 1910's and early 1920's. Lets face it, this is that part of American history between 1865 and 1929 that is largely glossed over in most history courses.

Are we selectively filtering the evidence because we take what we recognize, and what we recognize are elements of the last 4T? Would we view things differently if we knew more about the end of the last 3T?

Another reason for the lack of knowledge occurs to me - there was no electronic media. Radio did not become widespread until the end of the 1920's. There was no television (or cable or internet). And even movies were silent. Our primary record of the culture of this period is print. Newspapers and magazines. We've also seen footage of WWII, the dust bowl, the great depression. Has anyone seen a news-reel of the Red Scare?







Post#32 at 09-25-2001 07:16 PM by Roadbldr '59 [at Vancouver, Washington joined Jul 2001 #posts 8,275]
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"Dismissals in divorce cases have skyrocketed in the Harris County Family Law courts since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11. Family-law attorneys have found that clients contemplating divorce, as well as those in the middle of one, now say they will try to patch things up."

Hmmm. Perhaps, then, I should get my divorce now-- while i still can :-~








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Someone told me today that the top rental movie last week was "Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory." I don't know where he gets his information from, or if it means we're in a 4T, but if it's true, there may be a reason: even though the movie was targeted at Xer kids, Willie himself could not stand ill-behaved, impolite, noisy children. Perhaps now that we're in 4T, lots of parents decided to rent this movie for their kids, trying to encourage them to be more "Silent." We already know the New Silents are probably as old as 3 or 4 now (I am sure the name New Silent will not stick, I just hope they don't wind up being called something lame like "Post-Millennials." Yech.)







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http://www.space.com/news/nasa_commerce_010925.html

The way it is looking, the first 4T reforms might just be taking place. The reason why I tend to call this a reform is that it is dramatically changing the landscape of NASA. Looks like NASA is turning its eye to pragmatism to get ts job done. Also, this means that NASA has cut a lot of red tape. The way it is looking, NASA is probably gearing up for a more independent organization in light of probable budget cuts.
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Post#35 at 09-25-2001 11:39 PM by [at joined #posts ]
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A pro-4T comment:

"Will we return to normalcy? Yes, but we'll redefine 'normal'."
- Tim Russert on the Imus in the Morning Show, discussing the recent change in attitudes







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A vote for 4T at

FEARFORTHEREPUBLIC.com surveys their posters upon the present condition. HTH

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On 2001-09-25 19:31, Susan Brombacher wrote:
Someone told me today that the top rental movie last week was "Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory." I don't know where he gets his information from, or if it means we're in a 4T, but if it's true, there may be a reason: even though the movie was targeted at Xer kids, Willie himself could not stand ill-behaved, impolite, noisy children. Perhaps now that we're in 4T, lots of parents decided to rent this movie for their kids, trying to encourage them to be more "Silent." We already know the New Silents are probably as old as 3 or 4 now (I am sure the name New Silent will not stick, I just hope they don't wind up being called something lame like "Post-Millennials." Yech.)
Susan, I have a more mundane explanation. They recently re-released that video, just like they periodically issue new releases of Snow White, Wizard of Oz, and other classics.







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"The urge to dream, and the will to enable it is fundamental to being human and have coincided with what it is to be American." -- Neil deGrasse Tyson
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That Fear for the Republic message board has got to be a joke no one thinks like that. I live in a small town in West Texas that voted in the high 80's for Bush, and even the biggest red knecks in town don't think that way. That message board is a fake or a joke.







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FEARFORTHEREPUBLIC.com

That is way too funny. :lol:

Reminds me of the "Let's Jesusfy the dicussion" goofball.

"Jesuswantsthiswar" and "Hilterisugly"! Too much fun. :lol: :lol: :lol:







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I just checked the traffic for FEARFORTHEREPUBLIC.com. This site gets 4 stars (out of five).

To put into perspective, consider that fourthurning.com (even with all the renewed interest) only gets one star.

So how many folks are out there laughing as hard as I (or falling for the joke), consider Drudge.com. At four stars, thats about a million hits a day or more.



I'm still :lol:







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"So how many folks are out there laughing as hard as I (or falling for the joke), consider Drudge.com. At four stars, thats about a million hits a day or more."

laugh it up, white man. If you were Indian - oh, excuse me - "Ayrab" - you wouldn't think that sight was funny at all. Yeah, lets make all the immigrants fight to prove our loyalty, especially the ones born here and never mind if my people have been killed by Muslims for the last 400 years.

Yeah, America at its finest.












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I detect a bit of racism in your "white man" remark, Ms. angeli.

There was much displayed at that site that would offend a born-again Christian like myself. That I choose to laugh rather than take offense suggests, perhaps, that I am comfortable with what I believe, and whom I believe in.

So, do you know how many Polish guys it takes to screw in a light bulb, Ms. Angeli? :smile:







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Guess what I found! Girl Marines!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/featur...omannews%2Dhed







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"I detect a bit of racism in your "white man" remark, Ms. angeli. "

why is it racist to say you are white and a man when you are white and a man? (you are white and a man, aren't you?) Am I being politically incorrect by saying you think this is funny because you're white and therefore not being threatened in jest here?

When they start joking about threats on people of your ethnic identity, you'll find it a lot harder to laugh at Mr. Marc. It's not funny, its scary as hell. In fact what offends me is that you not only think its funny, you think that *I* should think its funny!!!! My God, what planet are you from? This is not about political incorrectness. One Indian man has already died, hello, dead, you know as in Not Alive, as in KILLED, because of sentiments exactly like this and no, its not funny!!!!!!! I'm sorry you have a problem with that.



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a sobering thought:

Marc, if this were still a 3T, I might just think it *was* funny. Because if I felt as secure in my safety as you feel in your beliefs, I might laugh it off. I don't. Neither does Neisha, from stuff she's said. Nor my friend Lalli who has a son around the age of the boy who was killed.

:sad:

It's not funny because it's not. It's real. And that's as much evidence as I can offer that this is, for sure, a 4T.

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Post#47 at 09-26-2001 08:28 PM by Brian Rush [at California joined Jul 2001 #posts 12,392]
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Angeli, I don't think it's "real." Evidence below:
I went down to the local police station and demanded a body cavity search. You never know what some Muslim has hidden there in your sleep. I tingled (with patriotism, of course) as he slapped the handcuffs on me when I said I might have a bomb. I cried tears of joy as the manly sergeant thrust his probe in me. He was truly one of our city's finest. I'm happy knowing that any would-be terrorist would be dominated by our cops like I was dominated that night.


And, just to protest against the anti-tobacco nannies, I had a cigarette afterward.


JesusWantsThisWar is right, though. This war is God's judgement against our country for letting homosexuality and other sexual perversion run rampant.







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loudmouths on the internet

vs.

lots of dead people.

lots of dead people win.

welcome to the crisis. boy did I wish you were right and I was wrong.








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09-26-2001, 10:29 PM #49
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Sep 2001
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I went to the <u>fearfortherepublic</u> site and it's abundantly clear to me that it is a satire of "sound off" message boards on many public sites. None of the underlined "links" are links ("post a reply" etc. does not work). It is written in the vein of "A Modest Proposal" -- parodying the mindlessly jingoistic knee-jerk statements often exhibited on such community "chats."

I would venture to say that it is more clever than acerbic, but it is satirical nonetheless.


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Post#50 at 09-26-2001 10:33 PM by [at joined #posts ]
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09-26-2001, 10:33 PM #50
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Perhaps Ms. Angeli, would think of "white man" in a different light were she to read some of what "white man" writes?

For starters, go here, to understand how "white man" dealt with the "day of infamy," while caring for his children of European descent:

http://www.fourthturning.com/forums/...m=12&start=250

For further details, perhaps Ms. Angeli could revisit pages 10 thru 28 (how many posts does that equal I wonder?) of the Is the Fourth Coming thread, wherein "white man," among others go face to face with the "day of infamy."

Or, if Ms. Angeli would dismiss such chatter of a "white man," perhaps the following recent post will suffice:

"Marc Lamb
Joined: Jul 31, 2001
Posts: 349
From: Frankfort, Ohio
Posted: 2001-09-24 19:38
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Somewhere back there... caught between a "robocooper" and a "TrollKing," a young woman bore her heart, "Lest this sound post-seasonal and cynical of me, I'd like to say that for me, personally, the Crisis started in Prague two years ago, with the bombing of Kosovo and the bomb threats on Americans and the neo-Nazis chasing me all over the place, and everything getting very weird over there."

Reminds me of the hero of Scott Fitzgerald's Tender is the Night, who caught the mood: 'All my beautiful lovely safe world blew itself up here [on the Somme] with a great gust of high-explosive love.'

Thank you, ms angeli."


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