Mr. Patton, I cannot post, within these threads, just why the poll proves my 'point.' I would be branded far worse than 'clueless' if I did.

Ms. Susan! I am become, 'cryptic and obscure'?

Can you please give 'clueless' some more details?

my classwork for tomorrow morning. Submitted as evidence of a 4T.

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When an unknown Chicago-area band Mercury Redstone recorded a song about the Sept. 11th attacks they figured they might sell a couple of hundred copies. They were stunned when ?Burn a Candle? sold a thousand CDs between Sept. 24 and October 18. .

?This has all happened very fast,? said bass guitarist Bob Villasenor. ?Most people that heard it came back within a day or two and said, ?hey I need two copies or three copies for friends and neighbors.?? Band members mailed copies to local radio stations but most of the CDs were sold through word of mouth.

Mercury Redstone has been together for only two years. Their first, self-titled CD which came out last year has sold only 450 copies. Now their song is being played on eight radio stations, including the mainstream pop station KRLA radio in Los Angeles. After the group appeared on CLTV Monday Oct. 15, they received a flood of new email requests.

?It sounds like something of a phenomenon,? said Kieran Kelley, floor manager for the Reckless Records store on Milwaukee Ave. The better selling local bands who consign CDs at the Reckless Records stores might sell between 10 and 20 copies in a year. He said it would be very unusual if a local band had sold as many copies in a year as ?Burn a Candle? has sold in three weeks.

The band members wrote the song together and recorded the CD for $500. They have been hand-burning copies and hand-packing them as the requests roll in. Villasenor said that they might start looking for someone to manufacture them.

Mercury Redstone?s keyboard player Kyle Stong said that recording this song was a magical experience. They got it perfect on the second try in the studio. ?Maybe there was something beyond our physical abilities,? he said. ?It came from within, not just playing the notes.?

?Burn a Candle? is available for download through the Internet on MP3.com. A number of bands put up songs on the digital music Web site in response to the Sept. 11th attacks, the war, or both in the last month. The #4 download for the week of Oct. 18th is a song called ?Hey, Why can?t we Have Some Peace Today? by Christian Metal band Dr. O.

MP3.com?s Top 10 play list also includes the ?Bin Laden (Banana Boat) Song? by the Misplaced Comedy Group and ?Fartin on Bin Laden? by Denver-based Rap group Naturally High. All three tracks are harsh and angry, if sometimes painfully funny.

By contrast ?Burn a Candle? is a very simple song, with a few chords and a gentle pop rhythm. The lead singer comes in over an eerie trickle of keyboard, the only indication that anything scary is going on. The plain, sad lyrics about a country?s lost innocence comfort, rather than provoke. It?s a clean, well-lighted song for a dark time, which may be the key to its appeal.

Faye Anne Hirsh, a music teacher at Volta Elementary School, was excited to be able to show her kids ?musicians as role models? doing something positive rather than taking drugs. Stong will arrange the song for piano and chorus for her. The band will perform with the school chorus during their holiday concert in mid-December.

The disks sell for $5.00 a copy. The band has made about $3,000 profit so far, all of which they intend to donate to the American Red Cross. They plan to present a check to a Red Cross representative at a concert in Chicago sometime in November.

?Every day I hear of another station that?s playing it,? said Villasenor.

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pindiespace posts a certain commentary by one John Dvorak.

"COMMENTARY-- The Donovan song "Season of the Witch" appeared before the stock market crash of 1969. When the song is sung today, the lyric "Beatniks are out to make it rich" is usually replaced with "Hippies are out to make it rich." In fact, many of the problems the industry is going through today are attributable to the lingering greed of the baby boomers, the crackpot notions of New Age nutballs, and the simple nuttiness and idealism of the one-time hippies."


While the 'Hippies are out to make it rich' thing is quite true (aren't we all? Except Mr. Rush, of course. :smile: ), there IS a difference 'NOW!'

Ya gotta love it. :lol:

oh, and Villasenor is an Xer. Most of the rest of the band are Xers. Stong may be a Boomer, or a Jonser, it's hard to tell, but he's older.

A bomb destined for some unfortunates in Afghanistan was photographed with an anti-homosexual or anti-tobacco slur chalked upon it. The Navy has apologized after an investigation. No longer will the Taliban have to face the awful words "Hijack this homosexuals" or "Highjack this tobacco product".


The attack upon a Red Cross facility alleged by some will have its day soon as well...but there are certain priorities in the War on Terror. They seem 3T priorities, but priorities still. HTH

Pat Buchanan seems to think we are in 4T. The weird thing is that even though he is very far to the right, I agree with most of what he has to say.

<font color="blue">The end of an unserious decade

By Patrick J. Buchanan
? 2001 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

In September 1929, "the Roaring Twenties," "the Era of Wonderful Nonsense," of sex, booze and jazz, ended with the stock market crash that began the Great Depression. There followed the "low dishonest decade" of poet W. H. Auden's depiction, as Western statesmen sought to appease their way to security and peace.

On Sept. 11, 2001, as the 767s smashed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center and Pentagon, killing 5,000 Americans, another unserious era of sex scandals and stock market silliness came to an end.

Recall, if you will, the summer of 2001. The story that had CNN, MSNBC and FOX News transfixed was the saga of Gary Condit. Nightly, talk-show hosts demanded answers to the great questions: Why did Gary throw away the watch box? Where did stewardess Anne Marie Smith spend her D.C. nights? By Sept. 11, the story seemed about to end in a great courtroom drama, with Anne Marie charging Gary with libel ? for denying she committed adultery.

What will the decade be remembered for? The Trial of O. J.? Who killed Jon-Benet Ramsey? The Oval Office trysts of Bill and Monica? Condit summer? Meanwhile, not to worry about the world. For America is "the last superpower," the "indispensable nation." The New Economy will take us to "Dow 36,000!" "Pax Americana" and "Global Democracy" are our destiny.

On Sept. 11, the frivolous era came to an end. Suddenly, for the first time since Gen. Jackson drove the British army out of Louisiana, the enemy was inside the gates, slaughtering thousands.

Why? Because we adopted an open-borders policy that left tens of millions of illegal aliens wandering about America, few of whom had any loyalty to us, some of whom were willing to murder us on the orders of their foreign masters. To keep the cost of labor down, we let millions of strangers, and not a few enemies, into our home. Never before has America been so vulnerable, and corporate greed and craven politics did it to us.

Tuesday, the U.S. reported that industrial production fell for the 12th straight month. Bethlehem Steel became the latest U.S. company to go Chapter 11. U.S. factories now produce at 75 percent of capacity. Last year, the U.S. trade deficit in manufactureds hit $324 billion and the merchandise trade deficit $450 billion. The de-industrialization of America is well advanced.

In a triumph of the globalists, America has become again what she has not been in generations: a dependent nation. For the loss of our economic independence, we may thank the free-trade-uber-alles crowd. They tell us their high principles prevent them from saving the U.S. industries their policies are designed to kill. But, routinely, they loot our tax dollars to bail out their banker friends and foreign collaborators from Indonesia to Russia to Argentina.

With the collapse of the Soviet Empire, the U.S. had a chance to dissolve old Cold War alliances and adopt an America First policy of non-intervention in wars that were none of our business. Instead, we launched the Gulf War, expanded NATO to Russia's border, went nation-building in Somalia, invaded Haiti, plunged into the Balkans, smashed Serbia and imposed sanctions that may have killed half a million Iraqis. Today, U.S. war commitments in Eastern Europe, the Balkans, the Gulf, Central Asia and the Taiwan Strait exceed those of Ronald Reagan. Yet, Mr. Bush has only half the Army, Navy and Air Force Mr. Reagan had. Never has America been so over-extended.

How has the American Empire profited the American people? Only the Brits are with us in Afghanistan, and they will take a pass on the next war planned by our war hawks: The invasion of Iraq. Meanwhile, once-friendly regimes from Jordan to Malaysia squirm to distance themselves from "the indispensable nation."

With the FBI warning of a 100 percent chance of terrorist attacks, with anthrax scares shutting down Congress, with daily calls to curtail civil liberties, questions arise: Are we more or less free and secure than when we began to build this "New World Order"? Are we better off now than we were before we ignored our founding fathers and decided to go abroad "in search of monsters to destroy"?

The president has moved with great prudence in the Afghan war. Let us go in, get them, get out and go home ? and let the Arab and Islamic world work out its own destiny. But of this we may be sure: History will hold the globalists and latter-day imperialists of left and right accountable. Their epitaph is already written: "On the altar of global empire, they sacrificed their country."

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On 2001-10-18 20:52, Marc Lamb wrote:
Mr. Patton, I cannot post, within these threads, just why the poll proves my 'point.' I would be branded far worse than 'clueless' if I did.

Ms. Susan! I am become, 'cryptic and obscure'?

Can you please give 'clueless' some more details?

Marc, do you live in an eastern bloc nation? If so, your people threw off the Soviet yoke over a decade ago. This is why you have received no response to your coded messages to Krakow in all this time. The operative there did not die, he is just too busy buying jeans and eating at McDonald's. So you can step away from your oscillator and you can turn off Radio Free Europe. And you no longer need to stash the "wireless" behind the loose brick in your bedroom wall. Come out in the daylight, light one of those nasty Russian cigarettes you have hoarded all these years, and speak freely. How does the poll prove your point?

"And what a stupid notion it [liberty]obviously sounds like to this administration and the previous two."

According to you, Mr. Patton, I'm not allowed, at this to time, to 'speak freely.'

Nor have I been for a long time now. :wink:

On 2001-10-19 09:12, Marc Lamb wrote:
"And what a stupid notion it [liberty]obviously sounds like to this administration and the previous two."

According to you, Mr. Patton, I'm not allowed, at this to time, to 'speak freely.'

Nor have I been for a long time now.

You have a God-given or natural right to speak freely anywhere you might be on the face of the earth and always have. That does not mean that you will not suffer consequences for the content of your speech if the ruling authority in a given location should feel threatened by your words. We have been freer than other nations in recent years but we are no longer free in the way the founding fathers intended. Where we once had rights which were recognized by authority and respected, we now have mere privileges to be granted and removed at the whim of authority -- and oddly enough the people do not protest. But I seriously doubt that our current authority will feel threatened by your response to the poll question so, in their eyes, you retain the privilege to speak freely on this matter (for example, it is not classified as a "national security" concern in order to protect somebody's guilt). By all means, Marc, speak freely.

Look, Mr. Patton, I obviously realise my right to 'speak freely' (even in these threads).

First of all, I am known as Mr. 'clueless' here. If folks, unlike you, won't even consider that a certain generation, that lives among us, still remains (even post-911) firmly in a 3T mindset (and, unlike those currently approaching midlife, will never adopt a 4T mindset), then I am a 'clanging cymbal' (or 'symbol' if you will) unto them. And nothing I will say will ever change that. So why waste the breath?

Second, I would rather people draw their own conclusions from what I write, or the direction I point to. I confess some laziness here, with a question: Can't you figure it out? It's not that hard to understand.



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http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/wrtv/.../929540_1.html

From my research, this person is either an early wave Xer or a late wave Boomer.

<font color="blue">Thursday October 18 04:05 PM EDT

Rep. Buyer Suggests Limited Nuclear Retaliation
U.S. Rep. Steve Buyer says that the United States should use tactical nuclear weapons against Osama bin Laden's terrorist network in Afghanistan if it is linked to recent anthrax incidents in the United States.

The Indiana Republican said that small, specialized nuclear weapons -- not as powerful as the atom bombs that were used in World War II -- could be used on the caves where members of bin Laden's network have taken shelter.

Buyer, a Gulf War veteran, said that the use of the weapons would be a proper response if bin Laden's people are linked to the anthrax cases in Florida, Washington, New York and elsewhere in the United States.

"Don't send special forces in there to sweep," Buyer said. "We'd be very na?ve to believe that biotoxins and chemical agents were not in these caves. Put a tactical nuclear device in, and close these caves for a thousand years."

Buyer said that he hadn't talked with other lawmakers or the Bush administration about the idea, and didn't know how many in the government would support it.

Buyer stresses that he doesn't advocate the use of full-power nuclear bombs, but he acknowledged that much of the world wouldn't see the difference.

"I just want the (Bush) administration to know that I think the United States needs to send a message to the world that we are prepared to do that," Buyer said.
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Just got this in my office e-mail. It was sent out to all employees of the USDA Food and Nutrition Services. By the way, our office is about 5 miles from downtown and Capitol Hill, in the middle of condo-land suburbia. Make of it what you will.

Guidance On How To Handle Letters and ackages

Over the past week the news of anthrax arriving through U.S. Mail has caught nationwide attention. Every employee must exercise good judgment when opening letters and packages. Please remember the following safety tips:

Headquarters:

Depending on the type of mail, incoming chain envelopes, letters and packages receive an initial screening at the main Department of Agriculture Mail Room or U.S. Post Office.

All Park Center letters and packages should only be received in the Mail Center, 2nd floor.

The Mail Room scans all letters and packages through X-ray equipment. After scanning, a detailed visual scan is performed to look for any unusual addressing, stamps, discoloration, or other signs that appear suspicious. All mail center employees currently wear gloves and masks while handling and sorting mail.

By performing these screenings, we hope to prevent any suspicious mail or package from leaving the Mail Center.

Safety Precautions That You Should Take:
We recommend that one employee be designated to open mail at each mail delivery point once during each work day. Employees who open mail should wear the disposable gloves and mask that will be delivered with each mail drop. Due to costs and the unavailability of these items, only one set of gloves and one mask will be delivered each day. Offices receiving a high volume of mail may need to designate more than one employee to open mail. In these cases you should contact the Administrative Services Division, Property Management Branch (PMB), Mail Manager for additional gloves and masks.
Open all letters and packages slowly and cautiously --- do not shake or toss around.
Use a letter opener when opening each envelope. Do not use your fingers to tear envelopes open. Keep all letters and packages away from your face. After all mail is opened, remove your gloves first by pulling them off at the wrist so that they will be inside out. Remove the face mask last. As a final precaution, you may want to wash your hands and face. Discard used gloves and mask in the trash. Please note that additional information will be forthcoming regarding other procedures for disposing of used gloves and masks.

What You Should Do If You Receive a Suspicious Letter or Package:

If you receive anything that appears suspicious or questionable do not open it, immediately leave the area, and call PMB at 305-2220.

If you open something and then realize that it contains questionable contents (powdery or unknown substance, blank paper, unrecognizable enclosures, etc.), please do not panic, stand still, and ask a coworker to call PMB at 305-2220.

Regional and Field Offices

It is recommended that all employees responsible for handling and opening mail follow similar guidance as described above. Each location should purchase gloves and masks.

Offices and type of space vary from location to location. Should you need any additional guidance, please call the Headquarters PMB or Mail Manager at 703-305-2220.
If a suspicious letter or package is found, please follow the same guidance as described above, but instead immediately contact your local U.S. Postal Inspection Service. Telephone numbers can be located at the following web site: <<http://www.usps.com/ncsc/locators/find-is.html>>

Our secretary reported that in the latest mail delivery, she got a mask and gloves.
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This is funny! Its from the Jerusalum Post.

Panic in the skies, much ado about davening
By The Associated Press

A Delta Air Lines flight from Atlanta to Newark, NJ was diverted Sunday after two men were seen huddled together and speaking a foreign language in the back of the plane, officials said.

Officials at Charlotte/Douglas International Airport initially received reports that the men were trying to break into the cockpit, said Aviation Director Jerry Orr.

It turned out to be two Jewish men praying together in the back of the plane, he said.

"By the time the plane landed here and our officer got on, the two gentlemen were back in their seats," Orr said. "It was a lot about nothing."

The plane landed in Charlotte around noon and departed for Newark about 14:30, Orr said.

The two men were rebooked on a later flight, and were "bewildered but not angry," Orr said.

laugh it up, jew woman. If you were "Ayrab" - you wouldn't think that airline fight was funny at all. Yeah, lets make all the "Ayrab" fight to prove their loyalty, especially the ones born here and never mind if "Ayrab" people have been killed by jews for the last 40 years.

Yeah, jews at their finest.

On 2001-10-19 17:51, Marc Lamb wrote:
laugh it up, jew woman. If you were "Ayrab" - you wouldn't think that airline fight was funny at all. Yeah, lets make all the "Ayrab" fight to prove their loyalty, especially the ones born here and never mind if "Ayrab" people have been killed by jews for the last 40 years.

Yeah, jews at their finest.

What's with you, Marc? Have you been spending too much time at SV81's web sites? That was ugly!

Who the hell is SV81 might I ask?

"laugh it up, white man. If you were Indian - oh, excuse me - 'Ayrab' - you wouldn't think that sight was funny at all. Yeah, lets make all the immigrants fight to prove our loyalty, especially the ones born here and never mind if my people have been killed by Muslims for the last 400 years."

"Yeah, America at its finest."


Even a 'white man' in 'America' has feelings Ms. Genser. :evil:

I am one 'white man' that has decided to not remain 'silent' while mine country is spit at by the likes of self-righteous bigots.

While we remain a country with many flaws, show me a better one.

Yeah, Marc, that was a mean and hateful thing to say to Jenny. And just when I had pretty much decided that you weren't such a bad guy, after all -- just one with an off-the-wall sense of humor. I believe an apology is in order. Don't you?

Moving along...Tristan, I'm not sure who this sv81 guy is, but some of his posts give me the willies....I wonder, do we have a neo-Nazi in our midst???

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On 2001-10-19 17:51, Marc Lamb wrote:
laugh it up, jew woman. If you were "Ayrab" - you wouldn't think that airline fight was funny at all. Yeah, lets make all the "Ayrab" fight to prove their loyalty, especially the ones born here and never mind if "Ayrab" people have been killed by jews for the last 40 years.

Yeah, jews at their finest.

Uh, it's one thing to speak freely, Marc, but that remark crosses the line into verbal abuse. It's just plain offensive and I expected better taste from you, Marc.

Moving along...Tristan, I'm not sure who this sv81 guy is, but some of his posts give me the willies....I wonder, do we have a neo-Nazi in our midst???

sv81 sounds like a anti-semitic version of me in my blue sprial meme mode. I am generally Yellow most of the time, however do get into periods of blue. Myself in my blue mood is a very god fearing chirstian person, who hates non-chirstians with a passion, expection of Jewish people and hates Muslims with a passion. I am generally not nice in that sort of mood.

"Who the hell is SV81 might I ask?"

He's a 'self-righteous bigot', Tristan.

On 2001-10-19 19:21, Marc Lamb wrote:
"Who the hell is SV81 might I ask?"

He's a 'self-righteous bigot', Tristan.

Sums me up in my blue mood, I make the most right wing of chirstian conseratives shudder when I am in that mood :wink:

On 2001-10-19 19:21, Marc Lamb wrote:
"Who the hell is SV81 might I ask?"

He's a 'self-righteous bigot', Tristan.

And you're not one? After making that hateful anti-Semitic post to Jenny?

And you're not one? After making that hateful anti-Semitic post to Jenny? --Ms. Susan

What about 'white man'? What about 'America'?

What the hell is the difference between how I responded to Ms. Genser, and a 'self-righteous bigot' responded to my 'laughter'?

Speak, Ms. Susan. Speak!

Third Turning? Fourth Turning? Just plain silly? You make the call:

http://www2.kaleo.org/drudged_kaleo.html



If you were Bush, would you agree with this guy, or be looking for a way to keep him quiet?

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/wrtv/.../929540_1.html

Does anyone happen to know the generational position of Mr. Buyer?