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On 2001-10-24 15:47, Virgil K. Saari wrote:
OJ-NG-3T-HTH

No Virgil, it doesn't help.

This looks like good news to me, but I'm not sure if it indicates 3T or 4T. All guesses or theories welcome.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...1idcards.story

On 2001-10-24 19:46, HopefulCynic68 wrote:
This looks like good news to me, but I'm not sure if it indicates 3T or 4T. All guesses or theories welcome.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...1idcards.story

Doesn't mean a thing. This administration will make sure that we get National ID cards one way or another. But of course, as always, they will try to make it look like they had no choice and were somehow forced into it against their wishes. Heck, maybe they can blame the prior administration for this too.

http://www.dallasnews.com/lifestyles....a4.67088.html

<font color="blue">From bracelets to concerts, children and teens come up with ways to make a difference
10/24/2001

By NANCY CHURNIN / The Dallas Morning News

The Sept. 11 attack left many feeling helpless. And in a world where adults feel helpless, what's a kid to do?

Plenty.

We asked readers to tell us about kids who found ways to make a difference and received a flood of stories about children who gave generously to the Red Cross and to President George W. Bush's new fund for Afghan kids.

Many gave through their schools and other organizations.

And many came up with ways to do it on their own: making friendship bracelets, playing violin, selling sun catchers, donating toys.

With a nod of thanks to all the remarkable kids who gave, here are some of the stories of the kids who did it their way.

Symbols of unity

It seems fitting that best friends Lindsey Schutze and Taylor Paris, both 14, made a difference through selling friendship bracelets.
The bracelets, Lindsey says, "are a symbol of unity and friendship."

And wearing red, white, and blue ones "keeps your patriotism showing," adds Taylor.

The Flower Mound girls have raised more than $3,000 for the Red Cross, making and selling the bracelets at Albertson's and Tom Thumb stores. Half of that money came from the stores, which matched the money the girls raised.

The experience has been a revelation to Taylor and Lindsey.

After the attack, they didn't think there was much they could do to help. They were too young to make a difference.

But they were determined to try.

They went to the Red Cross to donate blood. They were turned away because the lines were too long and they were under the 17-year-old age requirement. But before they left, a volunteer admired the red, white, and blue friendship bracelets they had made for each other in response to the attacks.

That gave them the idea.

They stopped at a crafts store on the way home and were at work by 5:30 that evening, making and selling the bracelets.

"It felt pretty good," Lindsey says. "People were coming up and saying, 'Wow, you kids are doing a great job. Keep it up.' "

Lindsey and Taylor say they learned a lot about the generosity of others ? many of whom gave them far more than they asked for the bracelets.

They also were amazed at how much they were able to accomplish with a little hard work and faith in their own idea.

And that's the lesson they want to share with other kids.

"Take your idea, any idea you have, and run with it," says Lindsey. "Try your best. No matter how small you think it is in the beginning, it makes a difference in the end."

Putting on a show

Kenny Ponton, 16, of Plano seems embarrassed to get attention for his part in raising more than $1,000 for the Red Cross by performing with his punk rock band, A Foreign Goober.
After all, it was so much fun.

Kenny says he was angry when he heard about the terrorist attack. Then he went through a period of just "not comprehending" how the terrorists could do what they did.

"It made me feel a little bit better to help with the Red Cross," he says.

He credits his friend Jake Wilson, 15, who invited his band to be one of three that played at Hunter's Glen Baptist Church in Plano, charging $5 a head. Kenny plays the bass with his high school buddies Matt Plaster on the guitar, Brad Walentine on drums, and Tim Matthews on vocals. The other boys are all 15.

"We had at least 100 people, mostly ninth- and 10th-graders. They came both for the music and to help out," he says.

"It was really cool to make music that kids our age can relate to and use it to help other people across the nation."

Making sun catchers


Samantha Woodward of Granbury spent a week after the terrorist attacks, wondering what she could do to help.
Then, while making a sun catcher in her garage, the 12-year-old instinctively put red, white, and blue glass beads around the crystal in the middle.

And she got the idea of making more and selling them to raise money for the Red Cross.

"I started working and working and working, and I felt really good," Samantha recalls.

She packed them up in foam and began taking them wherever she went: to the dentist's office, to her dance class, to her grandmother's bridge games.

She has raised $200 so far.

"I want it to go to the relief fund and make a difference."

Selling his toys

Taylor Kirkhart, 11, of Carrollton just couldn't stop thinking of the kids who had lost their parents in the terrorist attack.
"Just thinking about it made me want to cry," the Carrollton boy says. So he went to his room and found some of his cars and action toys to sell. "I thought of [all the] kids who needed stuff more than I did. So I went to my room and got my toys."

And then he enlisted his sister, Kaitlyn, 7, to donate some of her toys and help him with posters advertising their yard sale.

They raised about $70 for America's Fund for Afghan Children and donated the unsold items to the Red Cross.

Taylor says giving away his toys made him "really happy."



Kaitlyn Kirkhart
Kaitlyn says she especially liked giving away a toy horse because she likes horses so much.

"I feel really bad for those people who were out there on that day when it happened," she says.

But being able to help othershas helped her, too.

"I feel a whole lot better," she says.

Heartfelt music


Alexander Farrior, 8, of Allen loves to play the violin.
So it makes sense that playing the violin ? for donations ? was the first thing he thought of when he pondered the pain of Sept. 11.

"I made a poster with an American flag. I practiced for a little while in my house, and then I went outside and played all kinds of songs," he says.

It was slow going at first, says Alexander's father, Robert Farrior. He stood in front of the house, with his violin case open for money, playing Brahms, Beethoven, and Handel, and his absolute favorite piece, "Gavotte" from Mignon by A. Thomas.

He made all of $5 in the first 30 minutes.

His father, wanting to spare him disappointment, tried to gently steer him back in the house, but Alexander refused. He insisted he would do better on a corner, so his father reluctantly agreed to accompany him.

Alexander was right.

He played more than 2 hours and collected $151 for the Red Cross. "I felt great," he says. "It made me feel really happy."

Sacrificing gifts

Tanner Kitchens, 9, of Gainesville had no problem scrapping his birthday present list this year. He had a better idea. Instead of bringing gifts to his party, he wanted his friends to bring donations for the Red Cross.
"I heard that Americans should pool together to help other Americans," he says. "Now that some Americans are getting hurt, I said, 'Well, I guess this donation will help other Americans.' "

Tanner was surprised and delighted that he raised $230.

"Wow," he says. "I never knew I could make so much money before."

And in the end, he says, he didn't miss opening presents. He had his party at the family farm and they all had lots of fun.

"Usually it takes time to open all those boxes. And we just wanted to fish and run around."

A lemonade stand

Lemonade stands were the fund-raiser of choice for many kids.
Alec, Arial, and Adrianne Lancaster of Plano kept pushing their "Lemon-Aid for NYC" until they raised $1,185.19 for the Cantor Fitzgerald Relief Fund in New York.

It's not that the family knew anyone personally who worked at Cantor Fitzgerald, says their mother, Kenia Lancaster. It's just that the company seemed to have lost such a large number of people.

Alec, 10, and Arial, 8, waved the signs at the cars. Adrianne, 3, poured the lemonade in the cups. They recruited neighborhood friends to help. And when business slowed, Alec and one of his friends would dance, which made motorists and pedestrians stop and pay attention.

"I felt good that we were able to help the people who lost their families in the bombing," says Alec.

"I feel proud that I raised money for them to have food and water and stuff," says Arial.

They also learned how not to judge people on appearances.

Their biggest single donation was from a teenager with pink hair and body piercings. Alec was impressed when she gave $100 and wouldn't even take any lemonade.

Other kids who made a difference include:

Sarah Cheek, 7, of Plano, who raised $35 selling lemonade.

Brian Rockwell, 9, of Richardson, who emptied his bank of his allowance and spending money ? $60 ? and gave it to the Red Cross.

Whitney Pesnell, 11, of Mesquite, who stood outside her house with a friend the Sunday after the attack and held up signs and banners stating, "Please help the families of the victims." She raised $32 for the Red Cross. </font>

For today's installments in the 3T/4T, the global game of high stakes guesswork, we have:

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20...deas_dc_1.html

Somehow, this says 'Silents' to me, but I could be wrong. This might also be disinformation, or possibly an admission that they are stumped.



The Culture War continues:

http://news.mysanantonio.com/story.c...180&xlc=444302

http://www.tompaine.com/opinion/2001/10/24/index.html

<font color="blue">THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNEW IT

Trying to determine what has changed since September 11 is a little like asking what was created during the biblical account of Genesis. The short answer to either question is "everything."

The contentious debate over how to spend the budget surplus has been suspended due to a dearth of surpluses to spend. Stem cell research probably continues, although you couldn't prove it by reading your morning paper. The fate of Chandra Levy has been reclassified from a national obsession to a missing persons investigation, while her erstwhile paramour, Gary Condit, has evolved from a star-crossed media celebrity into an annoying little weasel soon to be retired by his constituents. In short, what seemed compelling on the 10th was rendered insignificant by the events of the 11th.

Our heroes have been redefined. Gritty images of New York cops and firefighters eclipsed the public's fascination with temperamental movie stars and overpaid professional athletes. Suddenly, duty, honor and patriotism came back into vogue. This shift in mindset has some interesting implications.

Hyphens, for instance, have gone out of fashion. Before the 11th, the B.E. era, so to speak, we had become a nation with a hyphenated citizenry. There were African-Americans, Hungarian-Americans, Muslim-Americans, Asian-Americans, and so on, ad nauseum. The emphasis was on our differences. I'm probably not the only party to notice that the maniacs who flew those jetliners into the twin towers and the Pentagon didn't care if the people they killed were black or white, rich or poor, conservative or liberal. We have been harshly reminded of our common destiny as a people.

In the broadest sense, what took place was a rapid de-commercialization of the culture. During times of peace and prosperity, we are encouraged to indulge ourselves. To sell things, advertisers bombard us incessantly with the message that the purpose of existence is self-gratification. The solution to all human travails, from hangnails to hemorrhoids, is for sale. Life is a perfectible enterprise, and a material paradise awaits those who shop wisely. This mentality breeds the mortal conceit that what matters is personal satisfaction, while the common good is relegated to afterthought. When survival itself is called into question, however, priorities tend to get reorganized.

I suspect that this phenomenon explains much of the economic downturn we've experienced since the attacks. Variously attributed to loss of consumer confidence and fear of travel, our current fiscal woes may simply be a byproduct of a populace in mourning. The B.E. economy was driven by consumer spending. Somehow, when you're grieving the loss of fellow countrymen and facing a substantially altered universe fraught with uncertainty, it's difficult to get excited about buying a new stereo.

The revised system of values is also reflected in our sense of humor. Bill Maher, host of the aptly named talk show, "Politically Incorrect," quipped that cowardice was not the failing of terrorists but rather of the people who retaliate against them with cruise missiles. To counter the hollowing outrage he spawned, Maher has subsequently offered several contrived qualifications for his remarks. His was the most spirited effort to evade the burden of authorship since Charles Barkley dismissed a line in his own autobiography by claiming he was misquoted. Apparently, the "nothing-is-sacred" brand of humor fell from favor when the audience realized that some things are.

In B.E. America, the military encouraged youngsters to enlist in "an army of one" -- a recruiting slogan which advanced the counter-intuitive notion that joining the army, like every other facet of modern life, was a celebration of self and personal prerogative. Now confronted by horrific attacks and assaulted by the specter of bio-terrorism, a diverse and normally fractious population has rallied behind a president elected by a minority of the popular vote, presenting an overwhelmingly united front to the rest of the world. Maybe there's a reason, after all, why we call this place the home of the brave.

Tom Brokaw's The Greatest Generation was already a best seller before September 11th. It recounted the history of a resilient people who endured economic privation then went on to win a world war. From the post-apocalyptic perspective of September 12th, his book might be better read as an instruction manual.
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My theory about all the 3T-appearing evidence:

1) First of all, a lot, not all, but a lot of the media is covering this as if it were a 3T event. My personal fave was whatsisname on CNN's Hardball ... he started ranting hysterically something about atomic bomb drills and hiding under your desk only we don't know how we can even hide under our desks and the government doesn't know what its doing and yadda yadda yadda. Utter, complete hysterics. And that's CNN! We won't even talk about Fox.

Peter Jennings on the other hand seems to be getting into a more serious, calmer, 4T style. (after his report on the beginning of the bombing an Xer friend declared to me that she wanted to have his baby ... I didn't see this broadcast so I'll have to take her word for it)

2) Some people are doing the equivalent of Clinton's last two weeks as President ... where he stuffed through every bit of legislation, federal land protections, presidential pardons, and other gimcrackery through as fast as humanly possible. We all know that there will be a point of freeze, where all other issues become subservient to The Issue ... so some folks are scrambling to get through their farm bill or whatever just as fast as they can.

3) Almost all of the entertainment being released right now were completed prior to 911. So we have Tori Amos' new CD which is all about domestic violence and gun control, released Sept. 19th. All the movies: Harry Potter. K-PAX (in which they fixed the last scene to remove the twin towers, but otherwise left as it was) Etc. It's all 3T stuff.

The plays, songs, films, books and so on reflecting the new mood have not really been created yet ... with the exception of the special West Wing and some small time bands doing compliation CD's and uploading songs like "Fartin' on bin Laden" to MP3.com.

It doesn't mean the new mood isn't out there. It just hasn't had time to seep into the prevailing culture and won't for a year or two yet.

Well, here's a tidbit that seems to say 4T:


FBI to rewire Internet?



<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: HopefulCynic68 on 2001-10-26 20:41 ]</font>

A Week of Setbacks Tests U.S. Patience and Its Plan of Attack in the 27 October 2001 number of the Washington Post.


They said it would be "long" and "hard" and now find that to be the actual case.

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Unless you are the lead dog,
the view never changes.

A mushers advice.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Virgil K. Saari on 2001-10-27 07:46 ]</font>

On 2001-10-27 07:45, Virgil K. Saari wrote:

They said it would be "long" and "hard" and now find that to be the actual case.

Big Brother will keep us apprised of any changing fortunes on the Malabar Front over the next few decades. Victory is only a breath away and Victory Gin is only a sip away.

I'm not sure whether this is evidence of a Crisis or not, but it's pretty weird and funny.

:razz: :razz: :lol:







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Many Blacks Have Doubts. Here's Why writes Ms.
Jonetta Rose Barras in the 28 October 2001 number of the Washington Post.

The public reaction to this sort of thing will tell a lot about whether we're really into the 4T or not:


http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20011028/466874.htm

On 2001-10-27 21:45, Virgil K. Saari wrote:
Many Blacks Have Doubts. Here's Why writes Ms.
Jonetta Rose Barras in the 28 October 2001 number of the Washington Post.

According to that article (which could easily be propaganda), then I have to assume Black America already exists separately from is generally referred to as "America", and it wasn't Black America which was attacked on Sept. 11 (never mind the black casualties), but "America", so that there is no need of a response to the attacks. This nation within a nation has no cause for war against terrorism. The response of "America" is only interesting as far as it could hurt Black America.

To those who view America as including Black America, this view = "Divided We Fall". To those who view "America" as a separate nation from Black America, as this and other writers would have us believe, it is always a question of "what can we get", and "how do we limit the harm", from "America".

So, it's not that "many Blacks have doubts", it's that they are not even thinking in terms of "we were attacked, what should our response be", it is rather "what is "America" doing that could have negative side effects for us". And I question if this is truly a reflection of what MOST blacks think.

On 2001-10-28 09:23, richt wrote:


that article (which could easily be propaganda)

Does this mean that Mr. Tauchar thinks propaganda is true, untrue, reliable, or unreliable when contrasted with, say, an article which could not very easily be propaganda? I am glad to see that "many" does not equal "most" at least. HTH

Propaganda in a Democratic Society by Mr. Aldous Huxley.

_________________
Unless you are the lead dog,
the view never changes.

A mushers advice.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Virgil K. Saari on 2001-10-28 19:44 ]</font>

richt, what gen are you? Just curious.
("Divided we fall" is not a typical Xer sentiment, but you don't sound like a Boomer either)

On 2001-10-28 19:40, Virgil K. Saari wrote:

On 2001-10-28 09:23, richt wrote:


that article (which could easily be propaganda)

Does this mean that Mr. Tauchar thinks propaganda is true, untrue, reliable, or unreliable when contrasted with, say, an article which could not very easily be propaganda? I am glad to see that "many" does not equal "most" at least. HTH

Propaganda in a Democratic Society by Mr. Aldous Huxley.

_________________
Unless you are the lead dog,
the view never changes.

A mushers advice.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Virgil K. Saari on 2001-10-28 19:44 ]</font>

I suspect "propaganda" whenever an article has a pseudo-objective feel to it, and I somehow feel like I've been led to a conclusion by the author. It feels like the author of that article was finding "facts" to support what she already wanted to write. So I question the veracity of the "objective" conclusions.

Whether or not it is true, I can't say. I just don't take that author's word for it. So yeah, I'd classify it as "unreliable". That's also why I took the trouble to separate "many" and "most".

What's with the third degree?

On 2001-10-29 01:42, angeli wrote:
richt, what gen are you? Just curious.
("Divided we fall" is not a typical Xer sentiment, but you don't sound like a Boomer either)

I was born in 1960. You make the call. I personally feel like a late Boomer, and not like a Gen Xer. I have that idealism mixed with immaturity and judgmentalism. But I have learned pragmatism from Gen X. (I also do not feel that I belong in the "Jones" subcategory, for those who subscribe to that.)

I like using "Divided We Fall", since it is the rest of the sentence which begins with "United We Stand", which is what the T-shirts would have us believe.

On 2001-10-29 22:52, richt wrote:

What's with the third degree?

Questioning is still allowed if we are in the 3T, which I posit. That we must all just obey is for the next Turning. HTH

On 2001-10-30 07:54, Virgil K. Saari wrote:

On 2001-10-29 22:52, richt wrote:

What's with the third degree?

Questioning is still allowed if we are in the 3T, which I posit. That we must all just obey is for the next Turning. HTH

I saw that remark coming from a mile away. Thanks for being so obliging.

What I mean is, what was the point of your original question about propaganda? What drove you to pose that question? I couldn't figure out the relationship of it to my earlier post. I used the word "propaganda" in a sentence, and I'm asked to give my opinions on truth and relevance of written material in general. That's what I meant by "the third degree". Why not just stick to the content of my post, to the points I was making?

How all this has anything to do with being "allowed" to ask questions in a free society is a real stretch. I'd rather see debate about the content of my post, not a side diatribe about the use of a word. It's hard to figure out what you were "questioning", anyway, so I think with veiled questions like that, you'll even get by in the First Turning.

Hey, everyone, I'm on a real roll right now. Don't mind my venom, I'm just not in the mood to be f----- with. It shall pass.

On 2001-10-30 07:54, Virgil K. Saari wrote:
HTH

virgil, since you seem to use the "HTH" thingy a whole bunch, do you sincerely hope that almost every one of your posts "helps"? or do you have some other reason for the overkill?


TK

"In "Oh Brother" news, the anthrax scare has affected "Seinfeld." A season-seven episode titled "The Invitations"--in which George's fiancee, Susan, dies (albeit not very tragically) from licking "bad" wedding invitation envelopes--has been pulled from
the syndication line-up, reports TV Guide."

SLC Tribune Oct. 30

The Tribune's reporting..3T
The actual act of pulling the show from syndication....4T