On 2002-01-11 10:31, Justin '77 wrote:


Lets see, we've had:

"God Bless America" (September?)
"United We Stand" (October?)
"Either With Us Or Against Us" (November?)
"Let's Roll" (December?)

now, for the month of January, we have:

"Over My Dead Body"

I can see it now,

Remember, you get extra Patriot Points each time you use the Phrase of the Month!

ROTFLOL!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nice article, JayN.
But may I suggest people looking at the article click on the left hand side, the hyperlink to Asia? India and Pakistan seem to be suffering from testosterone poisoning again, and are leaning over the edge of a fourth war. And this time, they both have nukes...

On 2002-01-11 10:31, Justin '77 wrote:

My god.

Is there some sort of bulletin board where they put up the "Kool-Aid Drinker Phrase of the month"? (Thanks for the term, SP)

That's no problem at all, Justin. George W. Bush actually has his own webpage which charts his "rise to power." Go here to learn more about George W. Bush: the man, the myth, the legend and the legacy:

http://www.kraftfoods.com/kool-aid/h...ry/ka_man.html



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On 2002-01-11 09:15, takascar2 wrote:
I am sick of all of you liberals here.

You don't have to stay, you know.

On 2002-01-11 10:31, Justin '77 wrote:
My god.

Is there some sort of bulletin board where they put up the "Kool-Aid Drinker Phrase of the month"? (Thanks for the term, SP)

Lets see, we've had:

"God Bless America" (September?)
"United We Stand" (October?)
"Either With Us Or Against Us" (November?)
"Let's Roll" (December?)

now, for the month of January, we have:

"Over My Dead Body"

I can see it now,

Remember, you get extra Patriot Points each time you use the Phrase of the Month!

or we could go the Pee-Wee Herman route when someone else uses it and simply "SCREAM REAL LOUD!!!!"




Anyway...

:lol:

I love Pee Wee. I think I'll start screaming every time I hear one of these tired cliches.

Kiff '61

Another Kool-aide Drinker Phrase of the Month messed up:



Bush to the States-"No child left behind!"

State government to School Superintendant-"Leave no child behind!"

School Superintendant to Principal-"Don't let any child fall behind!"

Principal to Teacher-"No child shall get behind and fail!"

Teacher to Parents-"Don't fail to get behind your child!"

Parents to student-"Don't fail or it's your behind!"

Student to his dog-"It all runs downhill...."

Trever...Albuquerque Journal

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So..How's this for Fourth Turning?
Brought to you by the folks (our allies)who brought you Islamic fu..er, I mean fundamentalism.
They brought you 15 hijackers.
And now they would like to bring you more.
And Jews and Israel are to blame.
Coming soon...economic collapse throughout the industrialized world followed by tension and archaic regime collapse throughout the Middle East. Then world war and nuclear exchange with Ayatollah and Mullah mothers.
Buckle your seat. It's going to be a wild ride.

"Muslim scholars meet to define
terrorism and agree: Israel to
blame


Special to World Tribune.com
MIDDLE EAST NEWSLINE
Friday, January 11, 2002

ABU DHABI ? Saudi Arabia, under pressure from the United States to cooperate
in the war against terrorism, has defined Islamic holy war against Israel as
legitimate self-defense.

The definition was formulated during a Saudi-sponsored seminar on terrorism
attended by Muslim scholars from the kingdom and abroad. The seminar was held
as part of a Saudi campaign to defend the kingdom and other Islamic states from
charges that they have encouraged insurgencies in the West.

The Mecca seminar termed terrorism as "all acts of aggression unjustly
committed by individuals, groups or states against human beings." The Muslim
scholars termed Israeli aggression as the worst form of terrorism and justified any
retaliation against the Jewish state and its people. They said Israel and Jewish
communities abroad were responsible for anti-Islamic sentiment in the West in the
wake of the Sept. 11 suicide attacks in New York and Washington.

"This [attacks by Israel] is the most dangerous terrorism to world peace and
security and its confrontation is a just self-defense and jihad [holy war] in the way
of Allah." the seminar, sponsored by the Islamic Fiqh Academy of the Muslim
World League, said in a statement on Thursday. "Jihad is meant for upholding
right, ending injustice, ensuring peace and security and establishing mercy.
Terrorism and violence committed by the aggressor who usurp the land, desecrate
holy sanctuaries and loot wealth cannot be compared to the practice the right of
legitimate defense as used by the oppressed seeking to gain their legitimate rights
to self-determination."

Saudi officials have acknowledged that the United States has pressed the
kingdom to implement reforms that would delegitimize Islamic insurgency attacks.
But the officials said Riyad rejected any prospect of changing its education
curriculum that would undermine the stress on holy war.

"War does not necessarily mean military confrontation so much as spreading
awareness to counter destructive ideologies and eradicating causes of the
phenomenon by working seriously to find just solutions to international crises,"
Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal said in an interview with the
London-based A-Sharq Al Awsat daily.

The Muslim scholars, completing a six-day conference, said terrorism also
included "any act of violence or threat designed to terrorize people or endanger
their lives or security" as well as damage to the environment. They said world
conflict stems from the failure to solve the Palestinian problem.

A sign that we are in the 4th Turning but our institutions still act Third Turning .
Some change takes time. Political correctness is to this cycle what economic Darwinism was to the last one..an endangered species.


http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/2002..._statue_2.html
Flag-Raising Statue Draws Criticism

By STEPHANIE GASKELL, Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK (AP) - A statue based on the famous photograph of the
flag-raising at the World Trade Center site is being criticized because the
three white firefighters in the picture have been transformed into one white,
one black and one Hispanic.

Some firefighters and their families say the 19-foot bronze is political
correctness run amok and an attempt to rewrite history.

The $180,000 sculpture is expected to be erected this spring at the Fire Department's Brooklyn
headquarters in tribute to the 343 firefighters killed in the attack. It is based on the Sept. 11 newspaper
photo of firefighters raising the American flag on about 20 feet of rubble.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=26023

Boomers face elderhood.

I couldn't agre more with JayN.......why mess with reality? If you want symbolism, If you want to be inclusive, place some represenitive firefighters of different racial backgrounds.......maybe with the very likness of some of those who died........in the background behind the statue gazing up at the flag. What they are proposing now is essentially disingenuous.

Pilot taken into custody and could face charges for making "inappropriate remarks" at an airport security checkpoint. Naturally, our servants again spit in our faces by refusing to tell us what the pilot said. How much you want to bet that he very appropriately said something like "Jawohl, Herr Oberstuermfuehrer!"

(For info and discussion purposes only)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2002Jan13.html

Pilot Could Face Charges for Comments

The Associated Press
Sunday, January 13, 2002; 11:39 AM

PHILADELPHIA -- A U.S. Airways pilot was taken into police custody Sunday after he made "inappropriate" comments at an airport security checkpoint, authorities said.

The pilot, who was not identified, was scheduled to fly from Philadelphia International Airport to Milwaukee.

"The pilot made some comments that the (security) screeners thought were inappropriate," said Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Arlene Salac, who declined to elaborate on what was said.

"There was no immediate threat to anybody," said U.S. Airways spokesman David Castelveter, who also refused to give specifics about the comments.

No flights were affected, said airport spokesman Mark Pesce.

The pilot was taken into custody and could face charges, Salac said. The FAA could also ground him.

Police and FBI officials didn't immediately return calls for comment on Sunday.



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Were the remarks directed towards the security personnel by chance?

I'm glad Takascar2 doesn't represent all Xers, as he thinks. I didn't visit the web site, but Towers of Light sounds like a great idea.

Some conservatives seem to feel that learning anything and growing up as a people is anti-American. I hope we have learned from the critiques of the 1960s, and later, and then we truly can move on. We don't want to complain, but there IS a lot of new building to be done here. We essentially need to rebuild the entire country to reflect the new values!

There is merit in rebuilding the WTC exactly as it was. We get satisfaction in saying up yours to Osama. We also lose an opportunity to advance as a people and a nation. And that is really what our country is about. Where in the constitution does it say that America is supposed to be an Empire?

We're already doing quite well in dispatching what is due to Osama. God bless America. I'm sure (and hope) it will continue-- although I'm very disturbed at the apparent cost (thousands of Afghan civilians killed by our bombing??? Unreported by our media???).

I think this is right on topic. The question is whether we are in 3T or 4T. I hope when we reach 4T we will be willing to ask how our country should be changed and rebuilt to better accord with our values. That is what all past 4Ts have been about. As long as we are still in 3T, there will be too many of those like Taka who will interpret all calls for change and progress as un-American, when it fact change and progress is what America is all about.

Eras in which these changes are called for, like the 1960s, are not "over" until the changes are brought about! Right on...

Did I really need to say all this? I don't know :lol:

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I think the towers of light are a wonderfull idea. Concerning the statues-to give credit where credit is due I would model them on the actual firemen. Look at Mt. Rushmore. It depicts the actual individuals, not some "politically correct" generic figureheads.

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I don't know what this means, but the news has gotten mostly useless, with the exception of national news channels. Back in 1995, gang murders dominated the news. Today, you don't even hear much about homicide. Instead, you hear stories about people literally moving their houses from the suburbs to the city, lost dogs, a baby who got treated for a rash, etc.

What does this imply? Are people getting tired of the negativity that clots society?

I've heard in the last year or so that fewer and fewer people are watching local TV news shows. I certainly have stopped viewing them the great majority of the time, here in Seattle they're mostly just a joke. Its possible that the news departments are aware of declining viewers but have no idea of what to do and are just thrashing about, sort of spastically presenting stories about whatever in an attempt to attract a demographic.
Which demographic it might be is unknown to me. I'd bet that there is alot of lowgrade panic in the newsrooms in regards to ratings but they don't have anyone to consult with who knows what is going on. Should you try to attract Boomers or X-ers or millies? If you don't know you use the shotgun approach and hope you hit something.
Just a thought in regards to the question about the weird assemblies of news stories lately.

There's a saying-"Good news is no news." After some years of watching news local and otherwise you notice that you are presented with endless problems that you cannot solve or help with-so what good does it do to watch? The last time I bothered with local news was during the WTO thing here in Seattle, now over two years ago. Since then I've been on-line. My goals are now to spend less time surfing the web, write, and expand my social life.


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On 2002-01-13 19:12, Eric A Meece wrote:
I'm glad Takascar2 doesn't represent all Xers, as he thinks. I didn't visit the web site, but Towers of Light sounds like a great idea.

I represent many AMERICANS who the liberal establishment is trying to marginalize. We wont go down that easy

Some conservatives seem to feel that learning anything and growing up as a people is anti-American. I hope we have learned from the critiques of the 1960s, and later, and then we truly can move on. We don't want to complain, but there IS a lot of new building to be done here. We essentially need to rebuild the entire country to reflect the new values!

The 1960's produced some good, but most of the stuff that came out of that acid-induced haze isn't worth anything

There is merit in rebuilding the WTC exactly as it was. We get satisfaction in saying up yours to Osama. We also lose an opportunity to advance as a people and a nation. And that is really what our country is about. Where in the constitution does it say that America is supposed to be an Empire?

If you aren't an empire, someone else will be. I would rather be on the winning side of that equation, rather than the loosing side

I think this is right on topic. The question is whether we are in 3T or 4T. I hope when we reach 4T we will be willing to ask how our country should be changed and rebuilt to better accord with our values. That is what all past 4Ts have been about. As long as we are still in 3T, there will be too many of those like Taka who will interpret all calls for change and progress as un-American, when it fact change and progress is what America is all about.

No, there are many who say that what you liberals say is progress is really destruction. We wont let that happen. We aren't going away

Eras in which these changes are called for, like the 1960s, are not "over" until the changes are brought about! Right on...

Unless the changes called for are destructive. Just because a bunch of drugged up longhairs call for change, doesn't mean its the right thing to do.

Taka

On 2002-01-14 08:59, takascar2 wrote:

I represent many AMERICANS who the liberal establishment is trying to marginalize.

Wrong! You marginalize yourself by supporting a liberal like George W. Bush.

Wrong! You marginalize yourself by supporting a liberal like George W. Bush.

i think you're right that tak here and his cronies (or whatever the hell you want to call them) marginalize themselves, but calling GWB a "liberal" makes you sound like a crackpot on the verge of marginalization yourself. granted, they guy's no libertarian, but that doesn't make him liberal.


TK

On 2002-01-14 09:54, TrollKing wrote:

i think you're right that tak here and his cronies (or whatever the hell you want to call them) marginalize themselves, but calling GWB a "liberal" makes you sound like a crackpot on the verge of marginalization yourself. granted, they guy's no libertarian, but that doesn't make him liberal.

TK

That's not the point. By "conservative" Takascar's definition, George W. Bush is a liberal.

It's too soon to know whether we are now in a 4T or are still in a 3T.

Those who give examples of silly stuff on TV proving that we are still in a 3T are themselves being silly. The culture doesn't do a complete 180 in one month, even in H & S's most extreme descriptions.

Like others, I think we will have to wait at least until the next national election is over to judge whether we are in a 4T.

"Public Servants" Going After "Constitutional Terrorists"?

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsa...articleid=2126

The article discusses the FBI Terrorism Task Force flyer which singled out libertarians, Greens, pro-life activists, and PETA activists and the like. When the administration was questioned about it, they laughed it off as a joke. Some joke! Really funny (hehehe)! Frankly, why do the servants responsible still have jobs? I believe the actual flyer was linked here earlier but it is also linked from the article above in case anybody wishes to view it.

On 2002-01-14 08:59, takascar2 wrote:

I represent many AMERICANS who the liberal establishment is trying to marginalize. We wont go down that easy

Define liberalism and conservatism.

The 1960's produced some good, but most of the stuff that came out of that acid-induced haze isn't worth anything

Please elaborate.

If you aren't an empire, someone else will be. I would rather be on the winning side of that equation, rather than the loosing side

Being a "conservative", maybe you should read a book from Pat Buchanan, another conservative, called A Republic, Not an Empire. Sure, it is better to be a citizen of an empire, but would you accept living in an empire that takes part in human rights abuses here and abroad? And does being an empire mean that we have to fight wars over oil? I'm sure we can do better than that.

No, there are many who say that what you liberals say is progress is really destruction. We wont let that happen. We aren't going away

What are you going to do about it?

Unless the changes called for are destructive. Just because a bunch of drugged up longhairs call for change, doesn't mean its the right thing to do.

What specifically is destructive about the 1960s to you, and why? Sure, the 1960s were harmful in many ways, but they weren't THAT bad.

On 2002-01-14 10:22, Stonewall Patton wrote:

That's not the point. By "conservative" Takascar's definition, George W. Bush is a liberal.

okay, then.


TK