Radio Guy gets in trouble for nude billboard

http://www.sptimes.com/2002/06/24/No...ighs_in_.shtml

New concern for civic life, or another example of the culture wars?

On 2002-06-23 15:10, Stonewall Patton wrote:
Here is kind of a far out 4T suggestion:


The Bible and the Apocalypse

The biggest book of the summer is about the end of the world. It's also a sign of our troubled times

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...265345,00.html

This is precisely equivalent, in its way, to the similar reactions seen in the later stages of the Missionary 3T.

But the writer of the article seems slightly surprised that Left Behind series is so popular. It isn't surprising, since the Christian Fundamentalists and Evangelicals together make up nearly half of the American mainstream.

In the Red Zone where I live, belief in an imminent Divine punishment for the excesses (especially) of the Boom Awakening is very common, and it's at least present all over the country.

The overall 'text', the plot-line, for the End Times that is presented in Left Behind is based on an interpretation of Revelations (and Daniel and some verses of the Gospels) that dates back in its general current form about 150 years. The Left Behind version is heavily updated, but it follows the general pattern of that tradition.

But the apocalyptic strain of thought in Western culture goes back to the very beginnings. It's especially appealing to the Idealist archetype.


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On 2002-06-24 21:47, Earthshine wrote:
Radio Guy gets in trouble for nude billboard

http://www.sptimes.com/2002/06/24/No...ighs_in_.shtml

New concern for civic life, or another example of the culture wars?

The Culture Collision is all about a concern for civic life, and the proper definition thereof.


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These "end of the world" types are clearly linearists and have no idea what they're talking about. :smile:



<a href="http://www.washtimes.com/business/20020624-2384043.htm">
This article</a> suggests people are slowing down and reviving communal life in reaction to 9-11 and the burst 90s bubble, a clear 4T indicator.

On 2002-06-24 22:32, Steve Barrera '66 wrote:
These "end of the world" types are clearly linearists and have no idea what they're talking about. :smile:

You sincerely hope.

Is Norway moo-ving toward a 4T?

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Virgil asks if Norway moo-ving toward a 4T?

I'd ask if they are checking for mad cow?

Prophesy can be self-fulfilling or at least self-reinforcing. After all, Jesus entered the historical scene when the area now known Palestine was occupied and crawling with soldiers. This understandably made a lot of the locals upset, who were used to long periods of self-rule and had a rich culture and intellectual/literary tradition.

So many messianic beliefs became quite popular--it was hoped that somebody would come along and smite every last one of the filthy Romans down into the depths of Gehenna.

2000 years ago, the Holy Land was a crossroads between 3 continents, making it a favorite spot for invaders to tromp their boots. When times in the world were troubled, times in ancient Isreal were VERY troubled.

Today the entire world has been made a crossroads of sorts--there are few real isolated places and information flies from one spot to another at the speed of light. The entire world feels trampled on by unknown or mysterious forces beyond their control. Everyone wants another messiah to rescue them from this tangled mess with all its inherant uncertainties; so everyone is going to expect another messiah.

My interpretation of the Apocalypse of St. John is that it was in symbolic language designed chiefly for those under the oppression of Nero, the antichrist of the age. But hey, I could be wrong. Certainly other antichrists of equal or greater menace have come and gone since Nero. Who's to say that the worst one of all hasn't yet entered the scene?

On 2002-06-24 22:21, HopefulCynic68 wrote:

But the writer of the article seems slightly surprised that Left Behind series is so popular. It isn't surprising, since the Christian Fundamentalists and Evangelicals together make up nearly half of the American mainstream.

I know a lot of people who are reading Left Behind, and they are definitely not conservative Christians. My impression is that it's an exciting, suspenseful storyline that draws in some people who just want a good read but don't necessarily subscribe to that particular religious philosophy.

I'll probably pick them up myself one of these days just to see what all the fuss is about.

Do you think the fall of Martha Stewart (B.1941) is a 3T celebrity roast (pervasive distrust of leaders and institutions), or part of a approaching 4T implosion of trust in the financial markets?


Like Doonesbury said today:

Mike:
"Boy, you're right, Honey--the business section does look like a crime page these days."

"Just look at the list of evil-doers--ENRON, ANDERSON, HALLIBURTON, ADELPHIA, R.J. REYNOLDS, TYCO
, BRISTOL-MYERS, GLOBAL CROSSING, and on and on.
It's like half the companies in America are under investigation and the other half are about to be!"


Mike's teenage daughter:
I know. I'm worried sick about Krispy Kreme."


Mike:
Well, maybe it's time to diversify, Sweetheart."

On 2002-06-25 17:01, tsgarp wrote:
Do you think the fall of Martha Stewart (B.1941) is a 3T celebrity roast (pervasive distrust of leaders and institutions), or part of a approaching 4T implosion of trust in the financial markets?

Both

On 2002-06-25 17:01, tsgarp wrote:
Do you think the fall of Martha Stewart (B.1941) is a 3T celebrity roast (pervasive distrust of leaders and institutions), or part of a approaching 4T implosion of trust in the financial markets?

A little of both, perhaps. Generationally, it's certainly a symptom of the folding of trust in all things Silent.

On 2002-06-25 17:01, tsgarp wrote:
Do you think the fall of Martha Stewart (B.1941) is a 3T celebrity roast (pervasive distrust of leaders and institutions), or part of a approaching 4T implosion of trust in the financial markets?


Like Doonesbury said today:

Mike:
"Boy, you're right, Honey--the business section does look like a crime page these days."

"Just look at the list of evil-doers--ENRON, ANDERSON, HALLIBURTON, ADELPHIA, R.J. REYNOLDS, TYCO
, BRISTOL-MYERS, GLOBAL CROSSING, and on and on.
It's like half the companies in America are under investigation and the other half are about to be!"


Mike's teenage daughter:
I know. I'm worried sick about Krispy Kreme."


Mike:
Well, maybe it's time to diversify, Sweetheart."

OMG; Mike's daughter is a teenager already? No, wait a minute, it must be 2002 already! :smile:

Well, Martha Stewart is definitely the best-LOOKING Silent I've ever seen even if her stock goes down further

On 2002-06-25 17:18, Agent 24601984 wrote:
Well, Martha Stewart is definitely the best-LOOKING Silent I've ever seen even if her stock goes down further

1941, huh? I always thought she was a Boomer. Maybe because she's so young looking.

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On 2002-06-25 20:37, Heliotrope wrote:

On 2002-06-25 17:18, Agent 24601984 wrote:
Well, Martha Stewart is definitely the best-LOOKING Silent I've ever seen even if her stock goes down further

1941, huh? I always thought she was a Boomer. Maybe because she's so young looking.

Nah. I ALWAYS knew Martha was a Silent...in fact, I'd have pegged her even further from the Silent/Boomer boundary than she actually is, in spite of her somewhat youthful appearance. Something about the cold, standoffish way she carries herself-- creative as she may be, she just doesn't have that Boomer passion, for better and for worse.

On 2002-06-25 12:03, Kiff '61 wrote:

On 2002-06-24 22:21, HopefulCynic68 wrote:

But the writer of the article seems slightly surprised that Left Behind series is so popular. It isn't surprising, since the Christian Fundamentalists and Evangelicals together make up nearly half of the American mainstream.

I know a lot of people who are reading Left Behind, and they are definitely not conservative Christians.

No doubt. But the majority of those making Left Behind a mega-best-seller are more or less traditional Christians. Really serious traditional-strain Christians (meaning Fundamentalist and hard-core evengelicals) add up to about 33-37% of the American population. Add in those who are somewhat turned in that direction, and nation-wide it rises rapidly toward 50%. (Though varying widely by region locally.)

The national media desperately hates the idea that these groups are actually part of the mainstream of American thought, but they are, as John McCain learned to his discomfort in 2000.

In theory, Catholics should be less drawn to Left Behind and its kin stories, but American Catholics live in a culture utterly permeated by Protestant assumptions, and absorb many of them without even realizing that they are different than Catholic teachings.

On 2002-06-25 22:03, Kevin Parker '59 wrote:

On 2002-06-25 20:37, Heliotrope wrote:

On 2002-06-25 17:18, Agent 24601984 wrote:
Well, Martha Stewart is definitely the best-LOOKING Silent I've ever seen even if her stock goes down further

1941, huh? I always thought she was a Boomer. Maybe because she's so young looking.

Nah. I ALWAYS knew Martha was a Silent...in fact, I'd have pegged her even further from the Silent/Boomer boundary than she actually is, in spite of her somewhat youthful appearance. Something about the cold, standoffish way she carries herself-- creative as she may be, she just doesn't have that Boomer passion, for better and for worse.

Martha gives me the creeps. I find myself calling her "Martha Stepford" because she never seems quite "all there."

But, to stay on topic, with the news that WorldCom managed to "lose" almost $4B in "profits," I'm wondering if corporate America is about to implode. That would be a sign of 4T for sure.

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On 2002-06-25 20:37, Heliotrope wrote:

On 2002-06-25 17:18, Agent 24601984 wrote:
Well, Martha Stewart is definitely the best-LOOKING Silent I've ever seen even if her stock goes down further

yes, she is a good looking woman; that's what a lot of money and plastic surgury will get you. I thought she was younger too. I wonder how she will look with a prison uniform on.

Oh, boy. There goes that Ninth Circuit again.

I can just see all those teachers in California trying to explain this to all their students. :lol:

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I wonder how she will look with a prison uniform on.

I saw a cartoon that showed Martha matching swatches of orange fabric for curtains to match her prison uniform. :lol:

On 2002-06-25 17:11, Kevin Parker '59 wrote:

On 2002-06-25 17:01, tsgarp wrote:
Do you think the fall of Martha Stewart (B.1941) is a 3T celebrity roast (pervasive distrust of leaders and institutions), or part of a approaching 4T implosion of trust in the financial markets?

A little of both, perhaps. Generationally, it's certainly a symptom of the folding of trust in all things Silent.

Kevin, I agree. All - or at least most - of these corrupt CEOs are Silents. I put up a message saying as much on Generation Watch.

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On 2002-06-25 22:03, Kevin Parker '59 wrote:

On 2002-06-25 20:37, Heliotrope wrote:

On 2002-06-25 17:18, Agent 24601984 wrote:
Well, Martha Stewart is definitely the best-LOOKING Silent I've ever seen even if her stock goes down further

1941, huh? I always thought she was a Boomer. Maybe because she's so young looking.

Nah. I ALWAYS knew Martha was a Silent...in fact, I'd have pegged her even further from the Silent/Boomer boundary than she actually is, in spite of her somewhat youthful appearance. Something about the cold, standoffish way she carries herself-- creative as she may be, she just doesn't have that Boomer passion, for better and for worse.

I *KNEW* she didn't have true Boomerism in her so I did the exact opposite of what you did; pegged her birthday to be in the late 50s/early 60s :smile:

So, has it arrived yet? I don't think so. Looking at the celeb. circuses and society in general, I don't think that the 4T is upon us yet, but I do think things are not quite back to normal after 9/11

Maybe its the economy, but more likely, we are in those frazzled years at the end of the 3T.

Its here. We are just wrapping up the excesses of the 3T. The bad guys of the 20's did not just disappear in October, 1929, but they had their comeuppence in the early 30's. Look back in a few years and you'll see a bright line on 9-11-01 and how perceptions changed after that date. Martha Stewart's kMart goes bellyup and SHE, the queen of how to live in the 90's, gets dragged down in a trading scandal. I bet she is passe in a year.