On 2002-07-16 12:57, Croaker'39 wrote:

justmom--

Grey, yes, but only a green champion in my pond. I'm also a Silent, cusping with incipient Prophets, but not in any class with Saint John The Divine:

?These have the power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophesy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.? (Revelation 11:6)

He may not have been very optimistic, but he got in the last word.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

O.K. I got a question.

I don't have an opinion yet (hehe give me time... I'm still working on it...)

If the White House wants us, millions of us, to spy on one another. For the purpose of reporting suspicious behaviors. How or Why is that different than someone who films a cop beating up Rodney King, or, a kid getting punched by the cops, and then give their tape to the "proper authorities" ?

Opinions? Anyone?

"Oh, that's helpful in finding some common ground here."

What have we here, an apologist for Stonewall Goebbels? Like 99% of what this liar spews out--this pure crisis-mongering, Bush-hating propaganda--serves in helping to find common ground among the posters here at fourthturning.com?

But, come it think about it, perhaps he does, Ms. Kiff... seeing how most posting here, like you, voted for Gore, and/or can't stand George Bush. In fact, I find your comment quite enlightening. How come, with all he's spewed out, you've never taken Stonewall Goebbels to task for been divisive, hummmm?

Perhaps you have, before and I missed it? :lol:





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On 2002-07-16 14:14, takascar2 wrote:

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. ?Edmund Burke

Anybody but Bush in '04!

The only thing neccessary for the liberals to ruin the country is for the Real Americans to stay home on election day - Taka

No one BUT Bush in '04!

"Liberals" will never complete the ruination of this country because they will incite "conservatives" to revolt before they finish, i.e. "liberals" can never succeed. On the other hand, when a Republican administration such as this Bush administration finishes the "liberals'" job for them by consolidating power like never before, "conservatives" stay mum and certainly do not act. Ergo, the only way that "liberals" can possibly complete the ruination of this country is through a Republican administration...and this Bush administration was made to order for them.

Real Americans will do anything they can to elect anybody but Bush. It really does not matter how "evil" or misguided any other party's candidate may be because such a person can never actually succeed in destroying the country without first inciting civil war. Only a Republican can successfully complete the destruction of this country because the people who would otherwise revolt stay home sucking their thumbs saying, "Thank god [the Democrat] didn't win!."

On 2002-07-16 15:36, justmom wrote:
O.K. I got a question.

I don't have an opinion yet (hehe give me time... I'm still working on it...)

If the White House wants us, millions of us, to spy on one another. For the purpose of reporting suspicious behaviors. How or Why is that different than someone who films a cop beating up Rodney King, or, a kid getting punched by the cops, and then give their tape to the "proper authorities" ?

Opinions? Anyone?

I'll spy on you if you'll promise to spy on me.

On 2002-07-16 15:47, alan wrote:

I'll spy on you if you'll promise to spy on me.
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Hummm, that's juicy Alan.. so many comments come to mind.... :lol:

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"Liberals" will never complete the ruination of this country because they will incite "conservatives" to revolt before they finish, i.e. "liberals" can never succeed. On the other hand, when a Republican administration such as this Bush administration finishes the "liberals'" job for them by consolidating power like never before, "conservatives" stay mum and certainly do not act. Ergo, the only way that "liberals" can possibly complete the ruination of this country is through a Republican administration...and this Bush administration was made to order for them.

Actually this ain't a half bad observation (notice no knee-jerk "Goebbelesque"-speak included). And this pretty much defines how the two parties play off one another.

Given that the American people, since 1933, expect the powers that be in Washington to "fix" the economy everytime it blinks, I can only suspect that Bush and the GOP can read the tea-leaves (ie., polls). If Bush didn't go along with the Democrats right now, there would be howls heard from the left louder than during the budget battle of 1995 (when America actually believed Newt was gonna let Social Security "whither on the vine" and make your grandparents eat dog food).

Of course, Mr. Patton, can't recall when Reagan tried to "get along" with the Democrats in 1986 (raising taxes and pulling the rug out from beneath the real estate market boom), but chooses only see when Reagan stood tall.

Well, you only get those kind every so often. Like back when a liberal decided farmers should get paid for not growing anything (AAA Bill), that a business man must submit to "national production codes (NRA Bill) and made owning gold illegal.

I guess, with unemployment at 25%, the GOP was, like the rest of the country at that time, just too scared shitless to resist FDR's New Deal, huh? :lol:






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On 2002-07-16 15:38, Marc Lamb wrote:



"Oh, that's helpful in finding some common ground here."

What have we here, an apologist for Stonewall Goebbels? Like 99% of what this liar spews out--this pure crisis-mongering, Bush-hating propaganda--serves in helping to find common ground among the posters here at fourthturning.com?

But, come it think about it, perhaps he does, Ms. Kiff... seeing how most posting here, like you, voted for Gore, and/or can't stand George Bush. In fact, I find your comment quite enlightening. How come, with all he's spewed out, you've never taken Stonewall Goebbels to task for been divisive, hummmm?

Perhaps you have, before and I missed it? :lol:





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Marc, go back and look at these posts. Look carefully. My comment had nothing to do with Stonewall's signature line.

I found takascar2's comment offensive, and I told him so. You may even agree with his sentiments, Marc, but I don't think I've ever seen you say that only people who think the same way you do are the REAL AMERICANS.

I could be wrong, though.

The difference is that when you leave the house, and you can see other people and other people can see you, there is no privacy of what you are doing. It's like people who argue against cameras in shopping malls and on streets. Um, did they honestly think no one was looking at them with their own eyes? Having many different eyes on public areas -- people looking at other people and themselves being looked at -- is what help keeps public places safe.

As for the meter-reader looking through my window, that's wrong because he's looking into a private residence. Ditto for cable TV installers that rummage through people's cabinets and dentists who strip people while under anesthesia.

Ms. Kiff takes me to task:

"The only thing neccessary for the liberals to ruin the country is for the Real Americans to stay home on election day" - Taka

Hummm, can't say that I'd ever throw out a comment so narrow-minded as that... but daggone it all, Ms. Kiff, I am absolutely positive I could easily find a quote twice as offensive, and narrow-minded, as that written by Stonewall Goebbels. Good grief, the guy think the President of the United States of America is a damn Nazi for crying out loud!

That doesn't seem to bother anyone posting here... What gives, Ms. Kiff? Does it only work one damn way????

On 2002-07-16 16:36, Chris Loyd '82 wrote:
The difference is that when you leave the house, and you can see other people and other people can see you, there is no privacy of what you are doing. It's like people who argue against cameras in shopping malls and on streets. Um, did they honestly think no one was looking at them with their own eyes? Having many different eyes on public areas -- people looking at other people and themselves being looked at -- is what help keeps public places safe.

As for the meter-reader looking through my window, that's wrong because he's looking into a private residence. Ditto for cable TV installers that rummage through people's cabinets and dentists who strip people while under anesthesia.

OK Chris, I went back and read the whole article ( wow what a concept!)
Granted, You make a substantial point.
But, all this begs the question, " are rules different in war time?"
I agree, I don't want someone going through my things, that means from this point forward, I always arange to be home during the time of the 'cable installation' or what-not. But, Suppose some cable guy finds info on a terrorist cell and prevents a masive attack? Is it still wrong, considering we
are at war, the enemy is among us, and we don't know who 'he' is?
OR
Is it more honest to revoke everyone's Visas,
and round up every single person here illegally and send them packing?

Personally, I'd go for the second choice.

But, I don't think it will happen *yet*. I do forsee it happening once/if we are in a full scale war. I believe attitudes about the 'unjustice' of doing that will change.
Much like 100% (minus 1) of congress voting for military agression after 911.

On 2002-07-16 17:08, Marc Lamb wrote:


Ms. Kiff takes me to task:

"The only thing neccessary for the liberals to ruin the country is for the Real Americans to stay home on election day" - Taka

Hummm, can't say that I'd ever throw out a comment so narrow-minded as that... but daggone it all, Ms. Kiff, I am absolutely positive I could easily find a quote twice as offensive, and narrow-minded, as that written by Stonewall Goebbels. Good grief, the guy think the President of the United States of America is a damn Nazi for crying out loud!

That doesn't seem to bother anyone posting here... What gives, Ms. Kiff? Does it only work one damn way????

It bugs me too Marc. My brother in law is EXACTLY the same way, only his issue is immigration. My bro in law taught me this:
" WHATEVER"!

On 2002-07-16 16:21, Marc Lamb wrote:

"Liberals" will never complete the ruination of this country because they will incite "conservatives" to revolt before they finish, i.e. "liberals" can never succeed. On the other hand, when a Republican administration such as this Bush administration finishes the "liberals'" job for them by consolidating power like never before, "conservatives" stay mum and certainly do not act. Ergo, the only way that "liberals" can possibly complete the ruination of this country is through a Republican administration...and this Bush administration was made to order for them.

Actually this ain't a half bad observation (notice no knee-jerk "Goebbelesque"-speak included). And this pretty much defines how the two parties play off one another.

Given that the American people, since 1933, expect the powers that be in Washington to "fix" the economy everytime it blinks, I can only suspect that Bush and the GOP can read the tea-leaves (ie., polls). If Bush didn't go along with the Democrats right now, there would be howls heard from the left louder than during the budget battle of 1995 (when America actually believed Newt was gonna let Social Security "whither on the vine" and make your grandparents eat dog food).

Of course, Mr. Patton, can't recall when Reagan tried to "get along" with the Democrats in 1986 (raising taxes and pulling the rug out from beneath the real estate market boom), but chooses only see when Reagan stood tall.

Well, you only get those kind every so often. Like back when a liberal decided farmers should get paid for not growing anything (AAA Bill), that a business man must submit to "national production codes (NRA Bill) and made owning gold illegal.

I guess, with unemployment at 25%, the GOP was, like the rest of the country at that time, just too scared shitless to resist FDR's New Deal, huh? :lol:






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You both make good points.
The part left out of the equation is 4T will
change life as we know it. "since 1933" wasn't that the last 4T?
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Let's just get real here, folks! The great divide is written in stone. And it's time to quit beating around the damn bush (pun intended) about it. You all can't stand the way we think, and we can't stand the way you all think. Period.

Ain't nothing gonna change on that score. IT'S OVER, got it?

And when the arguing is done, the bullets will begin to fly. And God, or Allah, or Jehovha, or the damn Federal Government help us all.
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Yup yup yup...

I see it this way Marc. Revolutions are fought and won with guns. We are in for a revolution, the left better get on board with understanding that pretty quick, we don't have much time left. Not only are they fought and won with guns, they are fought and won by a collections of individuals not entities, such as " The Federal Govt."

Since the last 4T, the FedGov has been the solver of all our ills, people are still expecting it from "THEM". The answer lies within "US".

I deleted that post, Mrs. M. I just blew off some steam... I know many, on this side of the aisle, feel the very same way. We're fed up with em', fed up with they're refusal to do what we did back in 1974: Get rid of that foul smelling odor eminating from the very heart of their party and ideology. THE BIG CREEP!

Oh well, "After all, tomorrow is another day!" So let it worry enough about itself, said The Master.

On 2002-07-16 17:40, Marc Lamb wrote:


I deleted that post, Mrs. M. I just blew off some steam... I know many, on this side of the aisle, feel the very same way. We're fed up with em', fed up with they're refusal to do what we did back in 1974: Get rid of that foul smelling odor eminating from the very heart of their party and ideology. THE BIG CREEP!

Oh well, "After all, tomorrow is another day!" So let it worry enough about itself, said The Master.

Fiddle dee dee, Scarlet. Have you tried Metamucil?

No, just a little dirt, and some little turnips (ie., hope), is all I have left, Mr. Frog.

Twas a carrot. :grin:

On 2002-07-16 14:14, takascar2 wrote:

The only thing neccessary for the liberals to ruin the country is for the Real Americans to stay home on election day - Taka

No one BUT Bush in '04!

Define a "Real American."

What I'd really like to hear is how would you, born in the "decade of greed" and all that is evil about America (ie., Ronald Reagan), would "define" a "Real American", Mr. Reed?


p.s. Carrot? Nah, that much "hope" (for America) would be a luxury item today. :smile:





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On 2002-07-13 17:08, justmom wrote:

Neisha and Heliotrope, As mothers, ( correct?) even though our views are
so different, I see in you a different quality than some of the others.
Perhaps this comes from a change in perspective once one becomes a mom.
Living has less to do with ?me?, and more with what?s in the best interest of
the babies. Too bad we can?t get together and do a play group.
I bet we would have a lot more in common that superficial appearance on
these forums. Although, Heliotrope doesn?t believe I am for real.
Maybe you can go the the park and just pretend I?m there.

Hey, how did you know? Do I talk about my kid all the time? (OK, yes.) Or maybe I carry around a big sign that says, "no child will suffer on my watch!"

Don't fear me, justmom, Stonewall already knows that this "Authoritarian" lefty is an enlightened despot. :wink: Besides that "left libertarian meld" is pragmatic, leave-me-alone, Xerism poking through and wreaking internal havoc.

Ack, I'll never catch up to these threads, I'll try again tomorrow.

On 2002-07-16 18:12, madscientist wrote:

Define a "Real American."

A "Real American" is one who recognizes that the only correct direction for the nation is the conservative direction.

That is what made America great. Liberals are destroying our country.

So - Real Americans vote for conservatives.

Uh, you might want to change the spelling of "neccessary" in your signature, sir. :smile:




<FONT SIZE="-10">Can "real Americans" spell? Does it matter, so long as the feeling is spelled right? How does one spell b.u.l.l.e.t.?</FONT>

On 2002-07-16 19:02, takascar2 wrote:

A "Real American" is one who recognizes that the only correct direction for the nation is the conservative direction.

That is what made America great. Liberals are destroying our country.

So - Real Americans vote for conservatives.

Can you please elaborate?

Is it my imagination of have the Anti-awakening side here recently in Australia and the United States really think there is a conspiracy by 'the elites' (what they call the awakening side) to rob national sovergenity.

This recent furor over the International Criminal Court has gotten me thinking, these opponents of the ICC aren't criticizing that the court is not accountable to a democratically elected body or that the UN is controlled by an unelected general assembly and security.

Actually it is the existence of the UN and the ICC is an affront and voliation to what they view as ?scared? national sovergenity. That seems to anger people like the National Review and the Weekly Standard.

Correct me if I am wrong on this statement.