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Post#3476 at 07-23-2002 04:12 PM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
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On 2002-07-23 14:10, David '47 wrote:
I find it a bit odd that Justin '77 wrote:
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... while claiming loyalty to the one politician able and apparently willing to bring the Gulag here - George "Walk in your own shoes" Bush.



Dumbfounding, to say the least.
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Post#3477 at 07-23-2002 04:44 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Justin '77 wrote:

S-A-R-C-A-S-M

You don't read much of my stuff, do you?
Apparently. I thought your tone changed, but sarcasm is a better explanation than, what, a brain tumor maybe?
Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.







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"You don't read much of my stuff, do you?"

Doesn't read much of mine either, but he sure likes to comment on it! :smile:









Post#3479 at 07-23-2002 07:56 PM by nd boom '59 [at joined Dec 2001 #posts 52]
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On 2002-07-22 00:24, takascar2 wrote:

Also, this is a time of war. We need to work together as one nation. Dissent is not a luxury that we can afford during a time of war.
Let all of us walk to the goosestep of the current regime. We are the new brown shirts that need to support our leader at any cost. Besides everyone is against us. Oh, by the way the only way to get out of this financial crisis is to spend! Spend! SPEND!!!


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Post#3480 at 07-24-2002 12:55 AM by Rain Man [at Bendigo, Australia joined Jun 2001 #posts 1,303]
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2147879.stm

this could become the greatest challegne of the 4T.







Post#3481 at 07-24-2002 02:47 AM by Tom Mazanec [at NE Ohio 1958 joined Sep 2001 #posts 1,511]
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Asteroids are one thing we should take care of. Yeah, we probably won't be hit by a biggie for centuries, even millennia...but it could happen tomorrow. And the results could be catastrophic.
But there are environmental damages that are occurring right now, no question, that are also causing irretrievable loss...for sure.

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Post#3482 at 07-24-2002 02:49 PM by Max [at Left Coast joined Jun 2002 #posts 1,038]
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I vote we name the asteroid, " Wormwood"

Any seconds on the name, Marc?







Post#3483 at 07-24-2002 03:37 PM by JustinLong [at 32 Xer/Nomad from Chesapeake, VA joined Sep 2001 #posts 59]
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I remember back in mid-1990s there was another asteroid scare. It turned out to be caused largely by press people being indiscriminately cc'd on the general chatter between scientists, and going to press without the full story. I find it remarkable that this link says it's been given a Palermo scale of +0.06, being the first to be given a positive index... yet JPL has the asteroid at NEGATIVE 0.06 (see http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/2002nt7.html). I doubt we're looking at Armageddon yet.







Post#3484 at 07-24-2002 03:56 PM by JustinLong [at 32 Xer/Nomad from Chesapeake, VA joined Sep 2001 #posts 59]
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Huh. I finally found the quiz. My scores

#1 Conservative
#2 Neoconservative
#3 Liberal
#4 Centrist
#5 Paleoconservative
#6 Libertarian
#7 Third Way
#8 Radical
#9 Paleo-libertarian
#10 Left-libertarian







Post#3485 at 07-24-2002 06:34 PM by Rain Man [at Bendigo, Australia joined Jun 2001 #posts 1,303]
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On 2002-07-24 13:37, JustinLong wrote:
I remember back in mid-1990s there was another asteroid scare. It turned out to be caused largely by press people being indiscriminately cc'd on the general chatter between scientists, and going to press without the full story. I find it remarkable that this link says it's been given a Palermo scale of +0.06, being the first to be given a positive index... yet JPL has the asteroid at NEGATIVE 0.06 (see http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/2002nt7.html). I doubt we're looking at Armageddon yet.
The threat of near earth asteriods is very real indeed, so are massive volcanic eurptions.







Post#3486 at 07-24-2002 07:00 PM by [at joined #posts ]
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On 2002-07-24 12:49, justmom wrote:
I vote we name the asteroid, " Wormwood"

Any seconds on the name, Marc?
Yeah, call it "HRC" a gazzillion ton bomb head straight for the White House! :lol:










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On 2002-07-24 12:49, justmom wrote:
I vote we name the asteroid, " Wormwood"

Any seconds on the name, Marc?
Someone has been reading C.S. Lewis :smile:







Post#3488 at 07-24-2002 07:43 PM by AlexMnWi [at Minneapolis joined Jun 2002 #posts 1,622]
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Post#3489 at 07-24-2002 07:43 PM by AlexMnWi [at Minneapolis joined Jun 2002 #posts 1,622]
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On 2002-07-24 13:37, JustinLong wrote:
I remember back in mid-1990s there was another asteroid scare. It turned out to be caused largely by press people being indiscriminately cc'd on the general chatter between scientists, and going to press without the full story. I find it remarkable that this link says it's been given a Palermo scale of +0.06, being the first to be given a positive index... yet JPL has the asteroid at NEGATIVE 0.06 (see http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/2002nt7.html). I doubt we're looking at Armageddon yet.
It got a Torino rating of 1 (the scale goes from 0, as in will never, ever happen, to 10, as in kill yourself now. 1 is listed as "extremely unlikely, (but keep an eye out just in case you "win" the "lottery")".







Post#3490 at 07-24-2002 09:10 PM by Roadbldr '59 [at Vancouver, Washington joined Jul 2001 #posts 8,275]
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On 2002-07-24 12:49, justmom wrote:
I vote we name the asteroid, " Wormwood"

Any seconds on the name, Marc?
Here's something creepy: Does anyone know what the Russian word for 'wormwood' is?

It is...'chernobyl'.







Post#3491 at 07-24-2002 10:25 PM by posy [at Brandon, Florida joined Sep 2001 #posts 62]
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"Huh. I finally found the quiz"
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Where is the quiz??







Post#3492 at 07-24-2002 11:35 PM by Number Two [at joined Jul 2002 #posts 446]
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...o_co/traficant

3T like Clinton or does the near-unanimity suggest 4T?







Post#3493 at 07-24-2002 11:35 PM by Number Two [at joined Jul 2002 #posts 446]
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http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...o_co/traficant

3T like Clinton or does the near-unanimity suggest 4T?







Post#3494 at 07-24-2002 11:54 PM by AlexMnWi [at Minneapolis joined Jun 2002 #posts 1,622]
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On 2002-07-24 21:35, Number Two wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...o_co/traficant

3T like Clinton or does the near-unanimity suggest 4T?
The only congressman to vote against expulsion was none other than Gary Condit.







Post#3495 at 07-25-2002 02:57 AM by Max [at Left Coast joined Jun 2002 #posts 1,038]
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On 2002-07-24 20:25, posy wrote:
"Huh. I finally found the quiz"
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Where is the quiz??
Try page 119.







Post#3496 at 07-25-2002 06:12 AM by posy [at Brandon, Florida joined Sep 2001 #posts 62]
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"try page 119"
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thanks mom!







Post#3497 at 07-25-2002 07:30 AM by JustinLong [at 32 Xer/Nomad from Chesapeake, VA joined Sep 2001 #posts 59]
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On 2002-07-24 21:35, Number Two wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...o_co/traficant

3T like Clinton or does the near-unanimity suggest 4T?
4T -- getting rid of corruption with definite, sudden, total action.







Post#3498 at 07-25-2002 11:10 AM by Stonewall Patton [at joined Sep 2001 #posts 3,857]
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Conservative Christian pastor speaks out again:


http://toogoodreports.com/column/gen...n/20020723.htm

(For educ. and discussion purposes only)


Will American Troops Be
Used Against U.S. Citizens?


By
Chuck Baldwin


In my column last Friday, I noted that the Bush administration is actively pursuing the prospect of disposing of the hundred- year-old Posse Comitatus Act that prohibits U.S. military personnel from being used against U.S. citizens on American soil. The ink was barely dry from that column when the administration confirmed that it was so. Department of Homeland Security head, Tom Ridge, announced over the weekend that the administration is indeed "reviewing" Posse Comitatus.

Bloomberg News reports, "The government should consider reversing more than a century of tradition and law to give the U.S. military a bigger role in the event of a terrorist attack, Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge and some lawmakers said."

The Washington Times said, "President Bush's new plan for domestic security included a notable provision calling for Justice and Defense attorneys to review (Posse Comitatus)."

The Times also reported, "Now Gen. Ralph E. Eberhard, the officer charged with defending the continental U.S., has gone on record that he's all for it and would endorse changes in the law if that translated in a better-defended country."

Gen. Eberhard was quoted by the New York Times as saying, "My view has been that Posse Comitatus will constantly be under review as we mature this command, as we do our exercises, as we interact with FEMA, FBI, and those lead federal agencies out there."

If that isn't enough, Gen. Eberhard expressed a desire to expand the North American Aerospace Defense Command to include Canada and Mexico. He said, "To defend this nation, we have to defend as far out as possible. Therefore, we need the support of Canada and Mexico to be able to defend our interests." Does the general mean by this that American troops will be joined by troops from Mexico and Canada in actions against U.S. citizens?

Perhaps now we know why the U.S. military has been engaged in all those urban training exercises in cities across America. For years, we have heard of armed forces personnel rappelling out of hovering helicopters in the middle of the night in populated areas, of troops practicing house-to-house searches and seizures on unsuspecting citizens and local officials, and of military training exercises being conducted in residential neighborhoods throughout the United States. We assumed these exercises were preparations for foreign operations; however, could it be that those exercises are actually preparing our armed forces for action against U.S. citizens? A decision to suspend Posse Comitatus suggests this may indeed be the case.

Our Founding Fathers did not oppose old King George of England because of his Christian profession or lack thereof. They opposed him because he was a tyrant! A tyrant is a tyrant, party label or Christian profession notwithstanding. It is clear that the Bush regime is becoming increasing tyrannical by the day. When will Christians and conservatives wake up to this reality?








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"Our Founding Fathers did not oppose old King George of England because of his Christian profession or lack thereof. They opposed him because he was a tyrant!" --"Conservative Christian pastor"

So why didn't they just "rock the vote" for that other guy then? :lol:









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On 2002-07-25 09:10, Stonewall Patton wrote:
Conservative Christian pastor speaks out again:

Our Founding Fathers did not oppose old King George of England because of his Christian profession or lack thereof. They opposed him because he was a tyrant! A tyrant is a tyrant, party label or Christian profession notwithstanding. It is clear that the Bush regime is becoming increasing tyrannical by the day. When will Christians and conservatives wake up to this reality?

By the way, before Old King George went mad, he was a pious teetolaling actively religous and sober man (as was his wife, who bore his 17 children).

However, many of his children rebelled against his strictures. His eldest son, the Prince Regent (who later became George IV), on the other hand, was a roue, a libertine, who lived quite the wild life and had a common-law marriage with a non-royal who had 10 kids with him. However, George III made him marry a princess to assure the succession. As soon as Princess Caroline gave birth to Princess Charlotte, young George promptly left her, where she lived out a wild life on her own. When aa middle-aged George finally succeeded to the throne, Caroline prompted quite a stir by claiming her right as Queen, even though she and George couldn't stand each other. It was quite the scandal.

Meanwhile, Princess Charlotte grew up, married another royal prince, and went about fulfilling her duty to assure the succession. Unfortunately she and the babe died in childbirth, prompting a battle among George III's other 16 children as to whom could produce the next heir (they had also rebelled by setting up housekeeping with mistresses, and so had to marry properly). The winner was the third son, whose wife bore the babe who became Queen Victoria. Unfortunately for this prince, he died shortly after the birth of his daughter.

The second son's wife sadly had miscarriages and if I remember correctly, a baby who died in infancy, but no surviving issue. So while the second son reigned as William the something, he was succeeded by his niece, Victoria.

Anyway, sorry for the digression. I am a Regency buff. :grin:
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