Originally Posted by takascar2

Agreed, muchos y muchas. Election? Disaster? Stock Market crash? I don't know. But, I feel that it is soon.

Earthquakes. Has anyone noticed the number of earthquakes around the world in the past week and their severity? Thats what's scaring me.

Oh, yawn.... Ms. J.Jones' Second Grade Class: "We've been reading and writing about Chicken Little"




Thank God for Generations, huh? :wink:

In the 4T, Boomers will be in charge, correct? Here's a list of the most powerful women in business, according to Fortune.

http://www.fortune.com/lists/women/index.html

- 9 of the top 10 are Boomers, and the only one who is not is number nine, at 40 years old, is a Boom/X cusper. NONE of the top ten are Silent or GI.
- As you continue down the list you will find nothing but Boomers until numbr 40, who is a 63 year old Silent.
- at number 42 you find your fist listing of a definate Xer. She is 37.

The entire list breaks down thus:
46 Boomers (ages 41 -58 - most between 44 and 58 )
2 Silent (ages 67 and 71)
1 Xer (age 37)
1 Boom/X cusper (age 40)

In spite of the fabled "Glass Ceiling", one would expect at least a few more Silent on the list if this were deep 3T territory. If we have not turned, we are very close.

Originally Posted by Earthshine

In the 4T, Boomers will be in charge, correct? Here's a list of the most powerful women in business, according to Fortune.

http://www.fortune.com/lists/women/index.html

- 9 of the top 10 are Boomers, and the only one who is not is number nine, at 40 years old, is a Boom/X cusper. NONE of the top ten are Silent or GI.
- As you continue down the list you will find nothing but Boomers until numbr 40, who is a 63 year old Silent.
- at number 42 you find your fist listing of a definate Xer. She is 37.

The entire list breaks down thus:
46 Boomers (ages 41 -58 - most between 44 and 58 )
2 Silent (ages 67 and 71)
1 Xer (age 37)
1 Boom/X cusper (age 40)

In spite of the fabled "Glass Ceiling", one would expect at least a few more Silent on the list if this were deep 3T territory. If we have not turned, we are very close.

OTOH, not many of the older women were raised in an environment encouraging them to go into business - and the Boomers and younger were likely less affected by the glass ceiling than the Silents (who generally would have had to enter the business world in the 60s or even younger) - the men list could easily break down the other way due to this

Originally Posted by Stonewall Patton

Originally Posted by angeli

Except for the tiny fact that his anti-war stance made it look like he could lose even a Democratic stronghold like Minnesota.

Actually, you have that backwards. Wellstone jumped out firmly in the lead as soon as he voted against the Iraq war resolution.

Polls are problematic. Frequently it seems that, whatever the issue, you can find polls that contradict each other.

That said, what I have read indicates angeli is right on this one. Wellstone was set to lose, according to "the polls", and his rating dropped after he took a position against the Iraq-related resolution. Perhaps there were polls that back what Stonewall is saying, however...

Alex says:Go right ahead and show me anything at all that proves that "Millions and Millions" of Americans even remotely considered that he was murdered.
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Well, let's see, I think I can add ... so far I can think of 15, myself included, who remotely considered it. Not because I really believe it, though lord knows I couldn't believe Nixon would bug the DNC either, but because I so loathe the Republiscams. Their greed and narcissism, their racism and classism, always shines through. JUst read what they write here. And I deeply believe that what their congress has done these last 10 years rates them as traitors.

But let us not tarry in the past. Did anyone happen to see the Bill Moyers show on the future of american parties ... Kevin phillips was on it. I know that most of you hate both the dems and the repugs. Usually I ignore you, but I must say they made a good argument for a real (and pretty extraordinary) realignment. I just got back so I have not been keeping up with the posts, you may have already discussed this.

PS to Patton, keep up the good work. You have a stronger stomach than I do. I can only take so much fascism. 8)

Originally Posted by posy

...I so loathe the Republiscams. Their greed and narcissism, their racism and classism, always shines through.

This seems like a good place to introduce my new signature. This Charles Krauthammer quote just seems truer and truer to me every day:

"To understand the workings of American politics, you have to understand this fundamental law: Conservatives think liberals are stupid. Liberals think conservatives are evil."

posy: "racism"? Hello? Where have you been the past twenty years? One of the defining differences between the so-called "neo-conservatives" and the so-called "paleo-conservatives" is that the "neo-cons" have abandoned the inherent racism of their forebears. (Take the differing stances on immigration, for example, where neos are far more pro-immigration than paleos.)

Here, for example, is a paleo complaining about the neos pro-immigration stance:

Buckley fesses up (finally): National Review has caved on immigration!

http://www.vdare.com/pb/buckley.htm

Those here who like to defend the "paleos" will no doubt object, but it is a documented fact. Even the venerable William F. Buckley used to defend segregation (back in th 1950's).

That's all in the past, posy. A new generation of conservatives is barely aware that the typical American conservative position ever included racism. You're living in the past until you recognize the existence of "South Park Republicans" (which some argue are basically libertarians who prefer a party that can win.)

http://www.techcentralstation.com/10...D=1051-100702A



Excerpt..

"The South Park Republicans are not new, though they may now be more vocal. The party finally seems willing to embrace members that listen to the hard rock and rap music long denounced by the old guard. Heck, even vegetarians are welcome.

The media generally misrepresents Republicans as religious rich white males. This is patently false. Half of the voting public is Republican. They watch R rated movies, enjoy a few drinks at happy hour, and even go to the occasional Wrestlemania..."

Marc: I particulaly like the last part about Foxy Loxy going to prison.

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

Originally Posted by takascar2

Agreed, muchos y muchas. Election? Disaster? Stock Market crash? I don't know. But, I feel that it is soon.

Earthquakes. Has anyone noticed the number of earthquakes around the world in the past week and their severity? Thats what's scaring me.

Oh, yawn.... Ms. J.Jones' Second Grade Class: "We've been reading and writing about Chicken Little"
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Thank God for Generations, huh? :wink:

Ah, don't look now, but the "sky is falling" routine is rapidly being covered by the Bush White House's General Copyright on Ideas, and Like That. Of course, the idea has older Republican roots.

For the last 20 years or so, Republicans have been trying to scare the bejesus out of the electorate - and doing a damn good job of it. Name anything scary:

• Crime - on the decline except in Republican speeches. In fact, crime statitics indicate that crime tends to mirror demographics to an overwhelming degree, and only sexually active procreators have any control over THAT.
• Foreign Bad Guys - as the US of A has gone from being the greater of the superpowers to becoming very possibly the greatest superpower in the history of the world, Republicans have rended their clothing at how we are being 'disarmed' by Democrats. This has been made more difficult since losing the Soviets as foil-of-the-first-water, so the GOP has had to settle on the Access of Evil (Press F8 to Continue)
• Your Immortal Soul - at risk due to abortion, stem cell research, and the failure to fund faith based initiatives. Well, maybe the less said here the better.

Earthquakes? Actually, the number of earthquakes on earth over a certain period is fairly constant. The earth is a fairly dynamic planet.

However, since a change is turning is about the change in the mood of a society due to a certain alignment of generations, the earthquakes are adding to the crisis mood. That is, since we are paying attention to scandals, economic problems, terrorist attacks and wars in a different way we also pay attention to natural disasters in a different way, too. All this adds up differently in a 4T than it did in a 3T. It is our response that is different not the event of an earthquake itself.

Originally Posted by posy

PS to Patton, keep up the good work. You have a stronger stomach than I do.

Hehe. Actually, I don't think I do! I don't have the slightest idea what most of the recent posts on this thread say because I do not have the stomach to read them. But it sounds like you do! And it sounds like the posts said pretty much what I expected them to say: little more than the standard obfuscation, diversion, and distraction we would expect in White House talking points.

I can only take so much fascism. 8)

They were that bad, huh? :wink: You hang in there.

Originally Posted by Stonewall Patton

I don't have the slightest idea what most of the recent posts on this thread say because I do not have the stomach to read them.

Shutting off from reality... This is the final stage of the illness... the prognosis is not good...

Very ugly consumer confidence chart here....

Originally Posted by Sanford

Originally Posted by Stonewall Patton

Originally Posted by angeli

Except for the tiny fact that his anti-war stance made it look like he could lose even a Democratic stronghold like Minnesota.

Actually, you have that backwards. Wellstone jumped out firmly in the lead as soon as he voted against the Iraq war resolution.

Polls are problematic. Frequently it seems that, whatever the issue, you can find polls that contradict each other.

That said, what I have read indicates angeli is right on this one. Wellstone was set to lose, according to "the polls", and his rating dropped after he took a position against the Iraq-related resolution. Perhaps there were polls that back what Stonewall is saying, however...

Mostly, I was joking.
Though if Wellstone had won, anti-war stance and all, it would make me feel better about this country in general and the Democratic party in particular. Imagine that: a man who takes a principled, unpopular stand can still win an election! Not. A candidate has to be a pre-packaged, think-nothing, elegant nobody, with no pesky personality or conscience to get in the way of his or her iconic blandness.

Originally Posted by posy

Their greed and narcissism, their racism and classism, always shines through. JUst read what they write here. And I deeply believe that what their congress has done these last 10 years rates them as traitors.

And Democrats aren' greedy, narcissistic, racist, or classist?

By the way, it is very easy to move to Canada or Europe, by the way. One way for someone to vote is with his/her feet.

[quote="David '47"]Crime - on the decline except in Republican speeches. In fact, crime statitics indicate that crime tends to mirror demographics to an overwhelming degree, and only sexually active procreators have any control over THAT.

Actually, crime was up last year. I do think it is a temporary thing related to the business cycle, but it was in fact, up.

Sanford says:That's all in the past, posy. A new generation of conservatives is barely aware that the typical American conservative position ever included racism. You're living in the past until you recognize the existence of "South Park Republicans" (which some argue are basically libertarians who prefer a party that can win.)

Dear me, you don't think the new generation is racist? You are living in a dream world buddy. Who lives in your neighborhood? How many of the folks who post here are black? Or latin?

I made the mistake of offering to take a new black faculty member to a realtor and boy did I get an education. I had used that realtor myself and gotten an entirely different story on what's available in the area. Pretty depressing for her (the black prof) , considering that she's rather republican in her leanings. I wonder why those "new repugs" don't want her in their neighborhoods?
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Alex says And Democrats aren' greedy, narcissistic, racist, or classist?
By the way, it is very easy to move to Canada or Europe, by the way. One way for someone to vote is with his/her feet

Hahahahahhhahahha Oh shame on you Al. This is MY country ... and you want me to abandon it and leave it to the traitors? I was hoping that you would offer to leave. PS. I live in Florida, and half of Canada, SOuth, Central and Caribbean America is here.

As for the greedy racist dems, well yes, some are... especially since we have been bought by the fat cats just as the repugs have. That was one of the things that was so enlightening about that Bill Moyers show I mentioned. You could really see how both the parties have been corrupted. But as for "racism", we don't tend to be as lily white as your party ... though that doesn't keep us from being racist. I guess we might be a little more careful about bragging about our blackface past, but who knows? Racism in america is an equal opportunity employer.

PS I hear the one-way tickets to Sweden are really rock bottom these days. :wink:

Besides, if Stonewall Patton is right about the current Republican leadership, then going to Canada would be rather like moving from Germany to Austria sometime between Jan. 1933, and Mar. 1938.

Originally Posted by posy

Dear me, you don't think the new generation is racist? You are living in a dream world buddy. Who lives in your neighborhood? How many of the folks who post here are black? Or latin?

I made the mistake of offering to take a new black faculty member to a realtor and boy did I get an education. I had used that realtor myself and gotten an entirely different story on what's available in the area. Pretty depressing for her (the black prof) , considering that she's rather republican in her leanings. I wonder why those "new repugs" don't want her in their neighborhoods?
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Alex says And Democrats aren' greedy, narcissistic, racist, or classist?
By the way, it is very easy to move to Canada or Europe, by the way. One way for someone to vote is with his/her feet


As for the greedy racist dems, well yes, some are... especially since we have been bought by the fat cats just as the repugs have. That was one of the things that was so enlightening about that Bill Moyers show I mentioned. You could really see how both the parties have been corrupted. But as for "racism", we don't tend to be as lily white as your party ... though that doesn't keep us from being racist. I guess we might be a little more careful about bragging about our blackface past, but who knows? Racism in america is an equal opportunity employer.

For Posy a more Progressive Past at :http://www.thememoryhole.org/arts/sunflower.htm the Memory Hole. HTH

Originally Posted by AlexMnWi

Originally Posted by David '47

Crime - on the decline except in Republican speeches. In fact, crime statitics indicate that crime tends to mirror demographics to an overwhelming degree, and only sexually active procreators have any control over THAT.

Actually, crime was up last year. I do think it is a temporary thing related to the business cycle, but it was in fact, up.

Possibly, but hardly the point. Policy should not be determined by a single blip on the statistical radar. If the trend is heading in the wrong direction - action is in order. If the opposite is the case, then STOP doing things. If no improvement occurred following the last 4, 6 or 20 changes to the criminal code - review and probably remove those changes.

All of this is unlikely, though, because crime is the most demagogued issue in the political firmament.

I will make one prediction, though. I'll wager that the lock 'em up for a l-o-n-g time scheme will produce a mass of social misfits suitalbe only for life in prison. After spending 20 years in prison being punished instead of rehabilitated and then being thrown back into the world with no support structure, any felon that SUCCEEDS in reintegrating into society will be the exception. Voila! The policy creates its own validation. Bring-on even MORE prisons!

But nothing goes on forever, since half of us cannot lock-up the other half. When we finally begin to undo the Gordean Knot, there will be some social costs. And the time for the payback is approaching. It may even be a 4T issue.

Originally Posted by posy

I made the mistake of offering to take a new black faculty member to a realtor and boy did I get an education. I had used that realtor myself and gotten an entirely different story on what's available in the area. Pretty depressing for her (the black prof) , considering that she's rather republican in her leanings.

Citing an incident of racism amongst realtors, which I have no doubt actually occurred, has no bearing on my statement that American "conservatism" has by-and-large left its former implicit racism in the dust of the past. I was not saying that racism had become nonexistent.

For all you know, the realtor was a Democrat. But again, that's besides my point.

More telling, I think, is your side note that a black professor can have "Republican leanings". That's my point.

The success of the civil rights movement has rendered most of the remaining ideological issues separating the Democrats and the Republicans neutral when it comes to "race". Differences over the proper roles and size of government, how to arrange the tax rates, personal liberty issues such as gun control and abortion, foreign policy issues, etc., are largely race-neutral unless you go out of your way to inject race into the debate.

As all humans are individuals and have a habit of adopting viewpoints uncharacteristic of their social group, black Republicans are an inevitability. I have no doubt that black and other ethnic contributions to the national institution known as "the Republican Party" will continue. Such should be celebrated as another victory for justice similar to the integration of the military, baseball, and any other national institution you can name.

Originally Posted by posy

I made the mistake of offering to take a new black faculty member to a realtor and boy did I get an education. I had used that realtor myself and gotten an entirely different story on what's available in the area. Pretty depressing for her (the black prof) , considering that she's rather republican in her leanings.

Note how easily and naturally the writer assumes the said "realtor" must be a "republican", once it is established that said "realtor" was a racist.

This sort of trite and simplistic bigotry, is nothing new, of course. What is quite new is that this sort of bigotry, once in the exclusive ownership of the uneducated, lower orders, is now so prevailant in the ranks of the so-called educated elites in academia, such as posy... Who are even now, of course, passing this sort on bigotry on to the next generation of academians.

Call it Smart-Bigotry: The New Wave of the Future, if you will. :wink:

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

Originally Posted by posy

I made the mistake of offering to take a new black faculty member to a realtor and boy did I get an education. I had used that realtor myself and gotten an entirely different story on what's available in the area. Pretty depressing for her (the black prof) , considering that she's rather republican in her leanings.

Note how easily and naturally the writer assumes the said "realtor" must be a "republican", once it is established that said "realtor" was a racist.

This sort of trite and simplistic bigotry, is nothing new, of course. What is quite new is that this sort of bigotry, once in the exclusive ownership of the uneducated, lower orders, is now so prevailant in the ranks of the so-called educated elites in academia, such as posy... Who are even now, of course, passing this sort on bigotry on to the next generation of academians.

Call it Smart-Bigotry: The New Wave of the Future, if you will. :wink:

The above statement is also bigotry since he assumes that all academicians are liberals and that all of them are bigots based on one statement by one person. That is also a prejudment of an entire class of people based on the actions of one.

When I took my Hebrew school class to the Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles, they had two doors to the display. One was for those free of prejudice and one was for the rest of us. The students were asked to think about the definition of prejudice and then choose the door most appropriate for each. Every student ended up entering by the door for the rest of us and not the door for people free of prejudice.

People who dwell in glass houses should not throw stones! :-?

Also, she never said that the realter was a republican. It was her friend that had "Republican leanings".

This sort of trite and simplistic bigotry, is nothing new, of course. What is quite new is that this sort of bigotry, once in the exclusive ownership of the uneducated, lower orders, is now so prevailant in the ranks of the so-called educated elites in academia, such as posy... Who are even now, of course, passing this sort on bigotry on to the next generation of academians.
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Boys, boys. I wasn't saying the realtor was a republican ... or a democrat. I was saying that segregation is alive and well in the USA. I must agree tho, I am just a tweeny bit bigoted about the repugs. Not because I am an academic elitist, but because my mother was a yellow dawg democrat from the cigar factories in Tampa Florida. She learned her politics from FDR and passed it on to me. The only good repug is ... well you know. But don't worry, I never talk this way to my students.

I do, however, bore them to death about Strauss and Howe. I have even managed to weave their theory into lectures on narcissistic personality disorder.

Actually it's your fault I act out here. I was normal when I first started posting. You have driven me to this. 8)

Originally Posted by elilevin

The above statement is also bigotry since he assumes that all academicians are liberals and that all of them are bigots based on one statement by one person. That is also a prejudment of an entire class of people based on the actions of one.

Ms. Levin, I said, "now so prevailant in the ranks of the so-called educated elites in academia". A prevailing attitude does not suggest "all", but rather enough. In fact, it was just this weekend that I was corrected by another member of the academic club, as follows:

Originally Posted by David Krein

Marc - a small corrective. I am not (thankfully) a University educator. The denizens of American universities are largely reflexive, benighted America-bashing socialists, dominated by sexually androgynous devot?es of half-baked, second-rate French philosophers. They are places where theory substitutes for fact, where obfuscation trumps clarity, where political passion transcends reason, and where obtuseness passes for wisdom. I am proudly a Community College teacher where we really do care about teaching and learning. With us tnere is none of the hypocritic lip-service Universities pay to undergraduates where, perforce, the students are dumped into the intellectually cramped world of political correctness.

Pax,

Dave Krein '42

Which, btw, surprised me somewhat, as Dr. Krein is a well-known "radical" (his own L/C test results, btw) in these parts. Nevertheless, I'll take his well stated post as encouragement that not all are hypnotized by the prevailing winds.

As for folks "who dwell in glass houses should not throw stones!":

Originally Posted by posy

Boys, boys. I wasn't saying the realtor was a republican ... or a democrat. I was saying that segregation is alive and well in the USA. I must agree tho, I am just a tweeny bit bigoted about the repugs. The only good repug is ... well you know. But don't worry, I never talk this way to my students.

"Boy" is more appropriate here (as I am one, and not offended). And I'll take your dancing here, and it is dancing, as more encouragement. If for no other reason than it's honesty.

Originally Posted by posy

Actually it's your fault I act out here. I was normal when I first started posting. You have driven me to this. 8)

Touche'! I am of the very same mind. Imagine that. 8)