Al Gore comes out in support of a single-payer health care system.
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Al Gore comes out in support of single-payer health care
Al Gore comes out in support of a single-payer health care system.
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Millies, scared of the future? Not the ones I know. Being "scared fudgeless" seems to me like a very un-Civic trait. :wink:Originally Posted by Croaker'39
Much madness is divinest sense. -- Emily Dickinson
Ugh, I'm so uncoordinated that the only way I would ever join any of the Military branches is if I were drafted. And, if a draft lottery happens for people born in 1987, I will be praying that 4/8 gets 300 or higher (preferably 365). Even if I did get drafted, they'd probably kick me out for being so bad at everything. That or they'd put me somewhere where I use my brains and not my (lack of) muscles.
1987 INTP
Alex?
Don?t worry too much about that muscle, it?s only a perfunctory tissue. Brain power will serve you better in the long run. Anxiety, in your case, is like the necessary fluff of a dandelion seed. Be careful, though, they organize wonderful religions around it, to polarize their gods, and fight, and die. We?re about to see it all over again.
My last experience with a 4T ended at Nagasaki. Now, you don?t want to have one of those everyday. So here?s my recommended therapy, Alex: first watch the movie ?Fail Safe,? then watch ?Dr. Strangelove.? That will take your mind off any other trivial problems you may have.
--Croakin' or ya!
Lack of Muscles
Not to worry Alex, we have ways of building strong muscles and minds. :wink:Ugh, I'm so uncoordinated that the only way I would ever join any of the Military branches is if I were drafted. And, if a draft lottery happens for people born in 1987, I will be praying that 4/8 gets 300 or higher (preferably 365). Even if I did get drafted, they'd probably kick me out for being so bad at everything. That or they'd put me somewhere where I use my brains and not my (lack of) muscles.
Is there a draft in here?
Ah, the draft. Alex, if the rules remain the same as they were in the Vietnam War, you shouldn't worry if you are (a) a college student (exemptions abound) and/or (b) have no brothers. As far as I know, only males do the SS(S) thing. However, for older Millies in general, many of them will be out of college by 2006. Also, the rule may change. If Bush decides to start drafting people in the colon--, er, conqu--, er, safekeeping of Iraq, that would be actual impetus for me to leave. Or, perhaps, join as an officer (with an architecture degree?) an see if I get my butt into space.
Earth is so small...with some money and fewer politics, we could leave the joint.
My head stays so clear and unmuddled when I don't visit this place. I guess I come for a shot of self inficted pain.
I really like Alex's posts, as I've often said before. Gives me hope for the future
My father and mother dob 1933, Lived through some of the things some of the older posters on these boards lived though too. Namely, The Great Depression, Polio, poverty, WWII, etc... etc... etc... ( in a Yule Brenner accent) They taught me not to cower under a rock, but, to pull yourself up
by your bootstraps, suck it up, life ain't for cowards, nobody's going to do it for you, there's no such thing as a free lunch, There's nothing certain in life but, death and taxes...
....makes me wonder how other people didn't learn those same lessons....
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Not quite right, young Ms. Katie, on this "un-Civic trait" business. Suffice to say, those of the previous unCroaker-like generation just didn't have the immense luxuries those of the Silent generation would enjoy. Namely luxuries like elders who now "got it" with regards to evil men and the evil designs of such men. Or the luxuries of post graduate educational opportunities, vast entitlement resources, strong infustructure and civic institutions geared toward a generation of young Croakers coming of age.Millies, scared of the future? Not the ones I know. Being "scared fudgeless" seems to me like a very un-Civic trait. :wink:
Nah, the young GIs had none of the luxuries at all. So they had to sacrifice en masse, dream en masse, create en masseand build them, en masse, lest they, and the whole world with them, sank into a cesspool of serfdom and totalitarian hell.
But Croaker, I fear, leans more to the French model of civilisation. "Let us build for ourselves a Maginot line against the maggots like Saddam, Kim II Sung and Jiang Zemin." he demands. "Let us not bother them, so they won't bother us!" he opines. What wisdom, huh?
All the while, his generation retreats with all the entitlement goodies they can grab while the grabbing is still good. Then, ever so coyly, inquiring on the fears facing a new generation they all pretended as if would never see the light of day, or if that generation did come it would surely be into a world resembling that of Ridley Scott's Bladerunner.
Aren't you scared fudgeless, Alex, aren't you scared fudgeless?
What a pathetic question, Croaker!
p.s. Yeah, I probably was. Duly amended. Sorry about that.
Marc Lamb wrote:
(Something unduly harsh which he later amended, so I see no reason to preserve it for posterity.)
I think you are being unduly harsh here, Marc. You're reading a lot into what he says that I'm not getting. To be honest, half the time I can't quite figure him out. Still, show some respect.
(As for Blade Runner, dystopian issues aside, I'll take the flying cars.)
They are PVCs or "Personal Verticraft", and in the movie they were given the neat name of "Spinners".
They really do look like a lot of fun, and they are coming to a town near you, in the not too distant future. But it won't be in a world envisioned by the doom and gloomers.
A recent nationwide survey, sponsored by the Pew Charitable Trusts and carried out by Berkeley's Survey Research Center has revealed The new generation gap. And Croaker ain't gonna like hearing this!
"It is fair to say, however, that these results describe the development of a new generation gap, one that is the reverse of the much-discussed gap of the 60's. In that earlier day, the liberal kids were impatient with the conservative traditions of their elders."
But I'll take it. :wink:
just like S&H said it would happen.
I suppose all the liberal posters here missed that part. :o
before you go getting all smarmy, mom, you may want to re-read both S&H and that article. notice that, along with the turn toward conservatism was this paragraph:
"There were some mixed results in the survey. Young people felt that sexual content and violence on television were less serious problems than did their elders. And the younger generation was more concerned about discrimination and the environment. "
i would posit that it's more that the young folks are bristling against the radicalism of both sides. a return to the middle, not the right.
TK
Re: Is there a draft in here?
http://www.sss.gov answers all for you.
THE TROLLKING!
"Young people held more conservative views about religion. For example, 40 percent of adults favored federal aid to religious charities, but 59 percent of college-age young people supported the concept, and 67 percent of teenagers were in favor. Young people had a more favorable view of Christian fundamentalists than their seniors, 33 percent compared with 26 percent."before you go getting all smarmy, mom, you may want to re-read both S&H and that article. notice that, along with the turn toward conservatism was this paragraph:
That one will warm Croaker's froggy heart!
Gosh, you folks from the Northwest Straits really hang together, huh? Funny, I recall another poster using this "smarmy" term in describing us conservative GOPers. Yeah, that frog from "Puget Puddle".
Main Entry: smarmy
Pronunciation: 'sm?r-mE
Function: adjective
Etymology: smarm to gush, slobber
Date: 1924
1 : revealing or marked by a smug, ingratiating, or false earnestness <a tone of smarmy self-satisfaction -- New Yorker>
2 : of low sleazy taste or quality <smarmy eroticism>
Hummm, back on page 178 of this thread, I also recall an interesting rebuttal by said "Trollking" on the mystical power of generational effects of "flowers":
What I care to "admit" has to take a backseat to the fact that your post simply confirmed Strauss and Howe's theory about generations. That noted, I do find this "smarmy" thing very interesting. I am tempted to discount it entirely based solely on the fact that both you, and the frog, hail from that piece of American turf that, while very liberal indeed, just obliterated that Socialized health-care initiative on the ballot by a tune of about 8-2 (against).wrong.... my parents were anything but.
though you may not care to ever admit it, sometimes the application of logic, principle, and truth demands that traditions, enduring foundations, and respect for law be relegated to the proverbial back burner or cast aside entirely. only when looking through a tainted lens are they always mutually inclusive (or, for that matter, exclusive). TK
Still, it is the GOP that are "smarmy"? Hummm, got think on that. :-?
Yeah, I noticed that paragraph....."There were some mixed results in the survey. Young people felt that sexual content and violence on television were less serious problems than did their elders. ...."before you go getting all smarmy, mom, you may want to re-read both S&H and that article. notice that, along with the turn toward conservatism was this paragraph:
"There were some mixed results in the survey. Young people felt that sexual content and violence on television were less serious problems than did their elders. And the younger generation was more concerned about discrimination and the environment. "
i would posit that it's more that the young folks are bristling against the radicalism of both sides. a return to the middle, not the right.
TK
Did you notice this ? "This is confirmed by ........ significant increases in teen virginity. "
That doesn't sound middle-ish to me. Perhaps it's because I myself am not so much to the Right as the middle? :wink:"You are what you do" -Kuato
And finally the whole article is summed up with : Perhaps middle-aged and older Americans who are often dismayed about the generation behind can take some encouragement from this latest report from Berkeley ? unless, of course, the older folks are some of those liberal baby boomers!
So once again, I can only conclude the liberal posters missed that part.
I'm sure there is a psycological term for 'seletive reading'.
A thought came to me while sitting in traffic tonight, about why we are still in the 3T. The indicator I was thinking about was that we current nomads haven't settled in yet. Our oldest cohort should be just under 40 now, and society seems to be chugging along as the same sort of "Devil May Care/Stupid B*llshit" machine it has been since the 80s. In contrast, the oldest of Lost cohorts was closer to 50 than 40 when the Crash of 29 hit. The Liberty generation was likewise "40ish" when the American Revolution hit.
September 11th was a Crisis of sorts, and we could have an early "winter" here, but I am no longer so sure. Does anyone know any of the Lost still alive and lucid? I would like to ask one of them if things feel more like after WW1 or The Great Crash to them. Asking a GI would not be the same, since they would remember WW1 without the feel of direct personal danger and involvement the Lost did.
Nah, it's not winter yet. 85 degrees in the shade for me today. :wink:
But seriously, Earthshine, that's what Marc's been saying. ....the boomers are too young, they don't control congress completely......
Nah, it's not winter yet. 85 degrees in the shade for me today. :wink:
But seriously, Earthshine, that's what Marc's been saying. ....the boomers are too young, they don't control congress completely......
You'll have to read his posts, He waxes more eloquent than I.
So I repeat the question: " WHY are Republicans so sucka-sucka smarmy?
justmom, this is YOUR specialty, isn't it?
No XoE, you miss the point. I'm just trying to be clear like Jean-Paul Sartre.
Funny, I've always thought of you as a cheap imitation of Benny Hill, Croak. :wink:
So how are things in Chillicothe, where the children are crying because you let the children cry?
It's a taxing, er, money, uh, er, kulteral "trust" issue, here in Chillyland, Croak. The kind of things, namely the buck$, unknown in Lake Wobegon land.
But then again, we, here in Chillicothe, tend to frown upon Karl Marx. :wink:
Do frogs crap in the same water they live in?
Re: THE TROLLKING!
that quote had nothing to do with what i posted. i was pointing out that millies have not gone "right", but rather away from radicalism in general. thus, they are open-minded about such things.
besides, that second part doesn't tell us much. having worked in the field of market and opinion research for years, i can tell you that questions about favorable views toward anything almost always take the form of "how do you feel about XXXXX-- would you say you have a very favorable, somewhat favorable, neutral, somewhat unfavorable, or very unfavorable opinion of it/them?". when the results are discussed, "favorable" always is the lumping of "very favorable" and "somewhat favorable" together. thus a 33 percent favorable rating could be any breakdown of "very" and "somewhat", and also indicates that 67 percent said "neutral" or worse.
hang together? not at all. i wasn't even aware the croakster was a northwesterner. and i said "smarmy" because that was exactly the tone mom was using.
that's funny-- "smarmy self-satisfaction" describes mom's tone in that post, and your tone in general. thanks for clearing it up for those who were unfamiliar with the term.
and how did it do that? i'm as far from a flower child as my parents were, just differently. it really is all black and white to you, isn't it?I also recall an interesting rebuttal by said "Trollking" on the mystical power of generational effects of "flowers":
What I care to "admit" has to take a backseat to the fact that your post simply confirmed Strauss and Howe's theory about generations.wrong.... my parents were anything but.
though you may not care to ever admit it, sometimes the application of logic, principle, and truth demands that traditions, enduring foundations, and respect for law be relegated to the proverbial back burner or cast aside entirely. only when looking through a tainted lens are they always mutually inclusive (or, for that matter, exclusive). TK
and i voted against that very measure. so, um, what's your point again?
no, marc, it's not the GOP. it's you. and in that post, it was mom.
TK
