Originally Posted by Jesse Manoogian

We don't have any people who eat a lot of meat and forgo vegetables today, do we? And if there were they'd probably be viewed as politically incorrect troglodytes by liberals.

You can throw me in with Jenny's Division Director, only I am probably worse. His idea of a vegetable may be a potato, but my idea is french fries. :grin:

Originally Posted by David Krein

I try to eat a half pound of beef or pork every day and condescend to eat vegetables 2 or 3 times a week. I thought vegetarians existed solely for me to make fun of them and I find them every bit as weird as people who drink bottled water. I also smoke a half pound of pipe tobacco a week, but I no longer drink because my fifth of scotch a day habit caused me some temporary health problems, since resolved. HTH.

Pax,

Dave Krein '42

As a conservative holding dear to the principle of Variety...I eat beef, venison, pork nearly every day. But, I also have fowl and fish quite often and am quite fond of rabbit in red wine sauce. I eat rye, barley, wheat, rice, corn for starches; vegetables of all sorts (particularly Italian varieties) and fruits such as tomatoes, apples, and berries. Nuts that grow on bush or trees, herbs and spices from about the planet.


The only things I find objectionable are cod fish and the goober-pea when it is finely ground; roasted and and salted they are just fine. Otherwise, I'd rather have another plate of cetacean which had a coddish hint. HTH

Originally Posted by David Krein

I try to eat a half pound of beef or pork every day and condescend to eat vegetables 2 or 3 times a week. I thought vegetarians existed solely for me to make fun of them and I find them every bit as weird as people who drink bottled water. I also smoke a half pound of pipe tobacco a week, but I no longer drink because my fifth of scotch a day habit caused me some temporary health problems, since resolved. HTH.

Pax,

Dave Krein '42

As a conservative holding dear to the principle of Variety...I eat beef, venison, pork nearly every day. But, I also have fowl and fish quite often and am quite fond of rabbit in red wine sauce. I eat rye, barley, wheat, rice, corn for starches; vegetables of all sorts (particularly Italian varieties) and fruits such as tomatoes, apples, and berries. Nuts that grow on bush or trees, herbs and spices from about the planet.


The only things I find objectionable are cod fish and the goober-pea when it is finely ground; roasted and and salted they are just fine. Otherwise, I'd rather have another plate of cetacean which had a coddish hint. HTH

Originally Posted by David Krein

I try to eat a half pound of beef or pork every day and condescend to eat vegetables 2 or 3 times a week. I thought vegetarians existed solely for me to make fun of them and I find them every bit as weird as people who drink bottled water. I also smoke a half pound of pipe tobacco a week, but I no longer drink because my fifth of scotch a day habit caused me some temporary health problems, since resolved. HTH.

Good man! (Sorry to hear about the scotch though.)

Originally Posted by David Krein

I try to eat a half pound of beef or pork every day and condescend to eat vegetables 2 or 3 times a week. I thought vegetarians existed solely for me to make fun of them and I find them every bit as weird as people who drink bottled water. I also smoke a half pound of pipe tobacco a week, but I no longer drink because my fifth of scotch a day habit caused me some temporary health problems, since resolved. HTH.

Good man! (Sorry to hear about the scotch though.)

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

As a conservative holding dear to the principle of Variety...I eat beef, venison, pork nearly every day.

Outstanding. What we need in addition is some woolly mammoth for hunting, courtesy of Jurassic Park technology.

I eat rye, barley, wheat, rice, corn for starches;

No problem there, but only if there is any remaining after feeding the still and brewery. First things first!

vegetables of all sorts (particularly Italian varieties)

Now you are getting light in the loafers on me, Saari. I seem to confine myself to monosyllabic vegetables and the Italian stuff usually does not make the cut.

and fruits such as tomatoes, apples, and berries. Nuts that grow on bush or trees, herbs and spices from about the planet.

Hold the 'maters, but most fruits are superb. In fact apples are best when plucked from the mouth of a wild boar which you have been turning on a spit all day (this is when woolly mammoth is not in season, of course).

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

As a conservative holding dear to the principle of Variety...I eat beef, venison, pork nearly every day.

Outstanding. What we need in addition is some woolly mammoth for hunting, courtesy of Jurassic Park technology.

I eat rye, barley, wheat, rice, corn for starches;

No problem there, but only if there is any remaining after feeding the still and brewery. First things first!

vegetables of all sorts (particularly Italian varieties)

Now you are getting light in the loafers on me, Saari. I seem to confine myself to monosyllabic vegetables and the Italian stuff usually does not make the cut.

and fruits such as tomatoes, apples, and berries. Nuts that grow on bush or trees, herbs and spices from about the planet.

Hold the 'maters, but most fruits are superb. In fact apples are best when plucked from the mouth of a wild boar which you have been turning on a spit all day (this is when woolly mammoth is not in season, of course).

Originally Posted by Stonewall Patton

Originally Posted by Jesse Manoogian

We don't have any people who eat a lot of meat and forgo vegetables today, do we? And if there were they'd probably be viewed as politically incorrect troglodytes by liberals.

You can throw me in with Jenny's Division Director, only I am probably worse. His idea of a vegetable may be a potato, but my idea is french fries. :grin:

:lol: My most consumed vegetable dish contains corn, buttermilk, tomato, onion, and garlic. A nice mixture of nutritious vegetable matter.

Doritos! Man's most perfect food! :lol:

(Reminds me of a line from Gremlins II years ago, where a mall rat in the food court asks the clerk "Are the peanut butter cups all natural?")

Originally Posted by Stonewall Patton

Originally Posted by Jesse Manoogian

We don't have any people who eat a lot of meat and forgo vegetables today, do we? And if there were they'd probably be viewed as politically incorrect troglodytes by liberals.

You can throw me in with Jenny's Division Director, only I am probably worse. His idea of a vegetable may be a potato, but my idea is french fries. :grin:

:lol: My most consumed vegetable dish contains corn, buttermilk, tomato, onion, and garlic. A nice mixture of nutritious vegetable matter.

Doritos! Man's most perfect food! :lol:

(Reminds me of a line from Gremlins II years ago, where a mall rat in the food court asks the clerk "Are the peanut butter cups all natural?")

Originally Posted by Jesse Manoogian

We don't have any people who eat a lot of meat and forgo vegetables today, do we? And if there were they'd probably be viewed as politically incorrect troglodytes by liberals.

Did someone just page me? I eat far too much meat, far too little in the way of green vegetabes, and I've been classified by many as Troglodyte.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Originally Posted by Jesse Manoogian

We don't have any people who eat a lot of meat and forgo vegetables today, do we? And if there were they'd probably be viewed as politically incorrect troglodytes by liberals.

Did someone just page me? I eat far too much meat, far too little in the way of green vegetabes, and I've been classified by many as Troglodyte.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Originally Posted by HopefulCynic68

:lol: My most consumed vegetable dish contains corn, buttermilk, tomato, onion, and garlic. A nice mixture of nutritious vegetable matter.

Egads, HC! Lose the buttermilk and tomato and I'll eat it. Wait, that moves me into two syllables. On-ion. Gar-lic. Cool! Let-tuce. Yeah! I guess I draw the line here. If it's a veggie and it's got three or more syllables, it ain't touchin' my plate.

Wait, wait. Spin-ach. Negatory, Big Ben. No can do. I guess there is no hard and fast syllabic rule here.

Doritos! Man's most perfect food! :lol:

Yes, and bear in mind that beer is not just for breakfast anymore. You can wash those Doritos down with an ice cold beer anytime day or night now.

Originally Posted by HopefulCynic68

:lol: My most consumed vegetable dish contains corn, buttermilk, tomato, onion, and garlic. A nice mixture of nutritious vegetable matter.

Egads, HC! Lose the buttermilk and tomato and I'll eat it. Wait, that moves me into two syllables. On-ion. Gar-lic. Cool! Let-tuce. Yeah! I guess I draw the line here. If it's a veggie and it's got three or more syllables, it ain't touchin' my plate.

Wait, wait. Spin-ach. Negatory, Big Ben. No can do. I guess there is no hard and fast syllabic rule here.

Doritos! Man's most perfect food! :lol:

Yes, and bear in mind that beer is not just for breakfast anymore. You can wash those Doritos down with an ice cold beer anytime day or night now.

Lordy, if the Wonk ate like you guys, she'd weigh 300 pounds! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anway, the Wonk would like to become a Grandma (no easy feat when she waited until age 38 to become a Mom) and see the next High! Pass her the salad please.

The Wonk does enjoy a glass of Chardonnay or Merlot at the dinner table and can't keep her hands off of any variety of chocolate, so she's not free of sins of the table. And she consumed far too many latkes last week. :wink:

Lordy, if the Wonk ate like you guys, she'd weigh 300 pounds! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anway, the Wonk would like to become a Grandma (no easy feat when she waited until age 38 to become a Mom) and see the next High! Pass her the salad please.

The Wonk does enjoy a glass of Chardonnay or Merlot at the dinner table and can't keep her hands off of any variety of chocolate, so she's not free of sins of the table. And she consumed far too many latkes last week. :wink:

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Kevin Parker '59

So as a result, we have two entire generations (Boomers and Xers) who came of age having nothing special and intimate to offer their future soulmates that they hadn't already squandered, having slept hundreds of times with dozens of people before even graduating from college.

geez, kevin, you make it sound like there's nothing special or intimate to share with a lover besides one's body. even if that were true, it's not really something that one can "squander".

"oops... sorry, honey.... i'm all out of sex."


TK

sigh. whatever

No, I obviously don't mean that one can "run out". I certainly haven't! However, the sad truth is that after one has had many lovers, sex simply isn't as special as it would have been otherwise. It can still be very, very good, especially if you love the person you're with very, very much. Still, it isn't as likely to create or promote a strong bond between the two people involved, in part because the novelty has long worn off.

Myself, I was a virgin until I was 25. It's not that I didn't want to "do it" before then. It's just that I deeply wanted to share with my future bride, and mother of my future children, that special bond between a man and woman who've never been intimate with anyone before, or after. Around 1984-85 I had something of an Epiphany: that there was NO ONE out there saving herself for me or anyone else, and that even the thought there might be was considered ridiculously silly by the pool of late Boomer and Xer women I had to choose from. Call me a sap, or call me a right-wing conservative. That is simply how I felt at the time.

Right on, Chris. Yours is the best news I've heard in two decades.

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Kevin Parker '59

So as a result, we have two entire generations (Boomers and Xers) who came of age having nothing special and intimate to offer their future soulmates that they hadn't already squandered, having slept hundreds of times with dozens of people before even graduating from college.

geez, kevin, you make it sound like there's nothing special or intimate to share with a lover besides one's body. even if that were true, it's not really something that one can "squander".

"oops... sorry, honey.... i'm all out of sex."


TK

sigh. whatever

No, I obviously don't mean that one can "run out". I certainly haven't! However, the sad truth is that after one has had many lovers, sex simply isn't as special as it would have been otherwise. It can still be very, very good, especially if you love the person you're with very, very much. Still, it isn't as likely to create or promote a strong bond between the two people involved, in part because the novelty has long worn off.

Myself, I was a virgin until I was 25. It's not that I didn't want to "do it" before then. It's just that I deeply wanted to share with my future bride, and mother of my future children, that special bond between a man and woman who've never been intimate with anyone before, or after. Around 1984-85 I had something of an Epiphany: that there was NO ONE out there saving herself for me or anyone else, and that even the thought there might be was considered ridiculously silly by the pool of late Boomer and Xer women I had to choose from. Call me a sap, or call me a right-wing conservative. That is simply how I felt at the time.

Right on, Chris. Yours is the best news I've heard in two decades.

Kevin said:

However, the sad truth is that after one has had many lovers, sex simply isn't as special as it would have been otherwise. It can still be very, very good, especially if you love the person you're with very, very much. Still, it isn't as likely to create or promote a strong bond between the two people involved

HUH??????!!!!!!

Well, maybe that's your experience; everyone's different. You should be aware, though, that for many of us, the above is complete and utter nonsense.

For instance, I have developed far greater bonds with three long-term lovers than I did with the woman with whom I lost my virginity.

Kevin said:

However, the sad truth is that after one has had many lovers, sex simply isn't as special as it would have been otherwise. It can still be very, very good, especially if you love the person you're with very, very much. Still, it isn't as likely to create or promote a strong bond between the two people involved

HUH??????!!!!!!

Well, maybe that's your experience; everyone's different. You should be aware, though, that for many of us, the above is complete and utter nonsense.

For instance, I have developed far greater bonds with three long-term lovers than I did with the woman with whom I lost my virginity.

Originally Posted by Kevin Parker '59

sigh. whatever

ok.

Originally Posted by Kevin Parker '59

No, I obviously don't mean that one can "run out".

oh.... you weren't done....

Originally Posted by Kevin Parker '59

I certainly haven't! However, the sad truth is that after one has had many lovers, sex simply isn't as special as it would have been otherwise. It can still be very, very good, especially if you love the person you're with very, very much. Still, it isn't as likely to create or promote a strong bond between the two people involved, in part because the novelty has long worn off.

i suppose that may be true.... but i honestly don't look to sex to create or promote a bond with my wife. we have this bond anyway. sex is extra.

it's like dessert, best taken after a good meal. when i was younger, i would often have dessert without having a meal first, and it was still good, even if it was just empty calories. but it didn't ruin the desserts that came after a good meal.


TK

Originally Posted by Kevin Parker '59

sigh. whatever

ok.

Originally Posted by Kevin Parker '59

No, I obviously don't mean that one can "run out".

oh.... you weren't done....

Originally Posted by Kevin Parker '59

I certainly haven't! However, the sad truth is that after one has had many lovers, sex simply isn't as special as it would have been otherwise. It can still be very, very good, especially if you love the person you're with very, very much. Still, it isn't as likely to create or promote a strong bond between the two people involved, in part because the novelty has long worn off.

i suppose that may be true.... but i honestly don't look to sex to create or promote a bond with my wife. we have this bond anyway. sex is extra.

it's like dessert, best taken after a good meal. when i was younger, i would often have dessert without having a meal first, and it was still good, even if it was just empty calories. but it didn't ruin the desserts that came after a good meal.


TK

Originally Posted by The Wonk

Lordy, if the Wonk ate like you guys, she'd weigh 300 pounds! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anway, the Wonk would like to become a Grandma (no easy feat when she waited until age 38 to become a Mom) and see the next High! Pass her the salad please.

The Wonk does enjoy a glass of Chardonnay or Merlot at the dinner table and can't keep her hands off of any variety of chocolate, so she's not free of sins of the table. And she consumed far too many latkes last week. :wink:

I try to balance my eating according to the rule of my Bubbe, Esther.
She protested upon hearing that certain ascetics put ashes on their food in order that they not enjoy eating. She said: "OY, and ruin good food! Such a sin!" I therefore will eat nothing in the category of Chemical Wastie Tasties. If the cheese does not need to be refrigerated, I don't consider it to be in the category of food!
The Latkes, fried in oil, nice and crisp with applesauce and sour cream--those are real food! :P

BUT:
I have born two millenial children and now with my new husband want to bear a homelander so I am with the Wonk. Pass the salad and forget the Merlot (temporarily). :-?

Originally Posted by The Wonk

Lordy, if the Wonk ate like you guys, she'd weigh 300 pounds! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Anway, the Wonk would like to become a Grandma (no easy feat when she waited until age 38 to become a Mom) and see the next High! Pass her the salad please.

The Wonk does enjoy a glass of Chardonnay or Merlot at the dinner table and can't keep her hands off of any variety of chocolate, so she's not free of sins of the table. And she consumed far too many latkes last week. :wink:

I try to balance my eating according to the rule of my Bubbe, Esther.
She protested upon hearing that certain ascetics put ashes on their food in order that they not enjoy eating. She said: "OY, and ruin good food! Such a sin!" I therefore will eat nothing in the category of Chemical Wastie Tasties. If the cheese does not need to be refrigerated, I don't consider it to be in the category of food!
The Latkes, fried in oil, nice and crisp with applesauce and sour cream--those are real food! :P

BUT:
I have born two millenial children and now with my new husband want to bear a homelander so I am with the Wonk. Pass the salad and forget the Merlot (temporarily). :-?

interesting... *waters mouth at most of virgil's foods except a few fruits* ((like the Stoner I strongly dislike the taste of tomatoes) - latkes are also great as is chocolate (and cheeses of all types except american; why do they go pretty much unmentioned here)... you brew your own beer, stoner? Cooool :-P (i've heard of people who do it and know the regulations are VERY lax in MA, but an actual T4Ter that we all know and love?)

And David Krein, I take it you're going completely to abstention for safety's sake rather than just enjoying the drinks you love in moderation? To each his own...

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Chris'68

Now, then, we are forced to ask - is life in and of itself GOOD? Or is the absence of life sometimes better?

depends. quality of life makes all the difference. if that life sucks, and i mean really sucks (as opposed to just seeming like it sucks because you're depressed), then i think absence of life may actually be the better option. if i'm ever rotting away from alzheimer's or huntington's or another progressive, fatal disease along those lines, i'll be wanting to check out.

so i guess that "in and of itself".... no, it is not.


TK

Then I guess you believe that "...If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."