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Post#5326 at 12-30-2002 01:27 AM by Vince Lamb '59 [at Irish Hills, Michigan joined Jun 2001 #posts 1,997]
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And now for something completely different!

But it's not from Monty Python. Instead, it's from The Economist, about how things went this past year and how much a crisis they think it really has been. Standard disclaimers apply:

A YEAR OF SURPRISES
From The Economist print edition 12/19/2002

The past year, believe it or not, was surprisingly good. How about 2003?
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WITH gifts, as with most sources of pleasure or pain, how we feel about them
depends on what we were expecting. So it is in economics and politics. The
past year has been full of dark shadows and gloomy moods, of fears of what
might soon transpire.

What is surely striking though, is how good things have been, not how bad.
For 2002 has been a surprisingly good year. That even augurs well for 2003.

Certainly, there have been plenty of reasons for gloom. International terror
marched murderously on, in Bali, Mombasa and elsewhere, and in a Moscow
theatre became entangled with Russia's domestic battle over Chechnya. The
conflict between Palestinians and Israelis was as deadly as ever.

North Korea admitted that it has a secret uranium-enrichment programme,
flouting the terms of its 1994 deal with America and its neighbours. Saddam
Hussein denied that he has any programmes to develop weapons of mass
destruction, making a war with the West look likelier.

Meanwhile, the world economy grew rather sluggishly, if slightly less so than
in 2001. In many countries, unemployment rose. Many stockmarkets had their
third successive year of decline. Argentina, once the darling of “emerging”
markets, collapsed and defaulted on its debts.

And, mainly though not only in America, scandal after scandal showed that
corporate accounts had been fiddled and that bosses and investment banks had
taken greed and the abuse of power to new heights.

How, though, did this bad tale compare with what was expected? It was
reasonable, and common, to expect a very bad year economically and a
dangerous one politically. Relative to that, things have actually turned out
quite well.

In our Christmas issue for 2001, our panel of economic forecasters were
saying that the United States would grow by just 0.6% in 2002, the euro area
would grow by 1.0% and Japan's economy would shrink by 0.8%. Figures for the
full year are not yet in, but now the panel expects America to have turned in
growth for 2002 of a surprisingly lusty 2.4%. Japan's economy is expected to
have shrunk by just 0.5% and only the euro area has been worse than expected,
with growth forecast to have been 0.7%.

Britain is almost bang on the forecast, at 1.6% (versus 1.7%). Australia
(3.6%) and Canada (3.4%) have done much better than the panel thought. And,
on our emerging markets page, 17 of the countries listed have growth rates
that are higher now than a year ago, and only seven have fared worse. That,
remember, is despite Argentina's collapse.

Things have looked a lot bleaker to investors, with the world stockmarket
index down by a fifth since December 31st 2001, and nearly half its record
high. Yet the mismatch between financial markets and economies is one of the
most pleasant surprises. In recent years, stockmarkets have suffered one of
their biggest falls in history. Normally, when such crashes occur, they bring
about widespread collateral damage in the economy because banks collapse and
lending contracts.

The great surprise of the crash of 2001-02 has been that this has not
happened. Insurance companies, pension funds and individual investors have
taken big losses, but banks have so far proven more resilient than in the
past. Measured against profits, many stockmarkets still look dear by
historical standards. Given the pressure to clean up accounts, and plausible
fears of a widespread backlash against capitalism and its scandals, they too
have been surprisingly resilient.

And world politics? This time last year, India and Pakistan looked on the
brink of war, even of nuclear war, a conflict that no longer looks likely.
Despite America's patient and determined conduct in Afghanistan, a chorus of
critics throughout 2002 denounced its adventurism, its bossiness, its
recklessness, its destabilising behaviour.

Such critics ought by now to feel pleasantly surprised. In military terms,
the world's superpower has been notable by its inaction, not its action. Far
from lashing out unilaterally against Saddam Hussein (or anyone else), it
chose to work through the United Nations and won an extraordinary unanimous
resolution in the Security Council as its reward.

As for terror, al-Qaeda still exists, but its operations have been disrupted;
and (fingers crossed) there have been no successful acts of mega-terrorism to
match September 11th. That is a small mercy, but a mercy even so.

A WORLD GETTING BRIGHTER. Risks galore can be cited for 2003. A war against
Iraq looks probable, and it could send oil prices soaring, destabilise the
Middle East and encourage terrorism. High debt levels among American
companies and consumers could restrain investment and cramp demand. House
prices could collapse in all sorts of places.

Japan might again fail to reform its economy, and so might Germany. North
Korea's unpredictable dictator, Kim Jong-Il, could, well, act unpredictably.

As we enter the new year, though, things actually look better than those
risks imply. Wars can always go wrong, but with United Nations support, and
hence acquiescence from the Arab neighbours, the one against Saddam is
overwhelmingly likely to be short (eg, a couple of months) and successful.
Oil prices may jump when it starts, but are likely to fall (perhaps sharply)
once it is over.

Debt is likely to mean that America (and thus its trading partners) does not
grow as fast as in the late 1990s, but it could well exceed this year's
figure, even so. Europe might not recover rapidly, but reforms now being
discussed for its single currency promise to make monetary policy more
accommodating to growth, and could even allow fiscal policy to offer more
assistance.

Overall, the world economy looks like growing faster than in 2002, and should
disappoint only those who dream of new booms.

Even so, two big tasks deserve a mention. The first is that of pushing Israel
and Palestine back to the negotiating table; it will be made easier by a
successful war in Iraq, but also much more important.

The second is that of building on the useful start made in 2002 of reviving
overseas aid to poor countries, but doing so much more generously with regard
to three of today's great scourges of the poor, AIDS, malaria and
tuberculosis. A really determined effort to deal with those diseases would be
the most pleasing surprise of 2003.
"Dans cette epoque cybernetique
Pleine de gents informatique."







Post#5327 at 12-30-2002 03:25 AM by HopefulCynic68 [at joined Sep 2001 #posts 9,412]
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Quote Originally Posted by cbailey
"They misunderestimated me."

George W. Bush
November 6, 2000
Comment made in Bentonville, Arkansas
I'm not sure of your point. If you're saying that constitutes evidence of idiocy, you're wrong. It's evidence of a tendency to tangle words, which Bush shares with millions. If anything, it helps him politically.

If you mean his political foes misunderestimated him, yes, it appears that they did, based on E2002. :lol:







Post#5328 at 12-30-2002 05:12 AM by Stonewall Patton [at joined Sep 2001 #posts 3,857]
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http://www.lewrockwell.com/wallace/wallace85.html

(Usual disclaimers)



Hubris Followed by Nemesis

by Bob Wallace


Thousands of years ago both the Greeks and the Hebrews noticed the pattern. The Greeks called it Hubris, the god of arrogance, lack of restraint, and insolence, followed by Nemesis, the goddess of vengeance. The Hebrews wrote, "Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall." Later, foolish pride became one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

Many people have forgotten these truths. But forgetting them does not eradicate them. "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it," wrote George Santayana.

Even today, the US government repeats the pattern. During the '90s I watched the Federal Reserve pump hundreds of billions of worthless dollars into the economy. This is inflation, which is the theft of the value of your money. The inflated money went into the dot coms. I knew it was foolishness. The Fed ? and government in general ? are based on the belief that a miniscule group of people can run the economy. They can't. Thomas Sowell correctly mocked these self-deluded people as "the Anointed."

The Anointed suffer from Hubris. They always have, and always will. The dot coms collapsed. That's Nemesis. It was Hubris ? and theft ? followed by Nemesis. Mainstream economists, who have little understanding of economics, scratched their heads. They always will, too.

I once saw Lawrence Kudlow claim the Dow was going to reach 30,000, or even 50,000. Now, it's at about 8800. Recently he claimed we are suffering from deflation, and the Fed should pump more worthless money into the economy. He doesn't understand the money is worthless. He doesn't understand Hubris or foolish pride, either. I dismissed him a long time ago.

After nineteen deluded and gullible fanatics flew planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the American public was told by the US government that these mass murderers hated us for our freedom. They hate us for our virtues? No, I thought. It was the attempts of the US government to rule the world, to have troops in 144 countries, to attack countries like Iraq, Panama, and Serbia, when none of them had attacked us. Some three thousand Americans were unwittingly sacrificed to the gods of Hubris and Nemesis.

The US has become an Empire. I never believed this could happen. I also never believed that as ordinary citizens, police and firemen attempted to save people in the World Trade Center, those in the government ran as fast as they could to cower in their Doctor Strangelove hideouts.

And again, those in the government show their lack of restraint and arrogance. The George Bushes, the Donald Rumsfelds, the Paul Wolfowitzes, the Richard Perles, are again tempting Nemesis. The same goes for the Hubris of the Darbyites like Jerry Falwell, who seem to be convinced they know what God is thinking, and that since the end of the world is coming soon, the US government must give the socialist government of Israel hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars. None of these people has a clue as to what they are really doing.

The US government is apparently heading into World War III as it attempts to conquer most of the Middle East. It can do it, without much problem. All the 22 Islamic countries in the world have a combined economy slightly less than the size of Spain's. They don't stand a chance.

But it really doesn't matter, not in the long run. The US government, now the American Empire, is suffering from Hubris. Some kind of Nemesis will follow. I just don't know when, or in what form. But it will. It's human nature.

The Empire could drop its burdens and walk away. Let the world solve its own problems. To think that the US government can solve the problems of the world might be the greatest Hubris of all.

But the Empire won't walk away. Hubris is a stubborn god, one that holds on very tight.

"Sic transit gloria mundi," some of the wiser Romans used to say. "Thus passes the glory of the world." Unfortunately, some of the things that also pass away with that glory ? such as liberty and peace ? are things that many Americans used to believe in and hold dear. Apparently, though, with the way many are supporting the Empire, not anymore.

December 30, 2002

Bob Wallace [send him mail], a former newspaper reporter and editor, and an incurable lover of puns from St. Louis, is now traveling the country.

Copyright ? 2002 LewRockwell.com







Post#5329 at 12-30-2002 01:03 PM by TrollKing [at Portland, OR -- b. 1968 joined Sep 2001 #posts 1,257]
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Quote Originally Posted by monoghan
Frankly, the anti-Bush contingent seems motivated by nothing more than the moral principles of a cat. Just as long as the cat has food, a warm place to sleep and another cat now and then, a cat does not give a damn about anything else. I sure am glad that Bush has a dog.
yeah, because dogs are certainly motivated by higher principles.


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Quote Originally Posted by TrollKing
Quote Originally Posted by monoghan
Frankly, the anti-Bush contingent seems motivated by nothing more than the moral principles of a cat. Just as long as the cat has food, a warm place to sleep and another cat now and then, a cat does not give a damn about anything else. I sure am glad that Bush has a dog.
yeah, because dogs are certainly motivated by higher principles.


TK
Perhaps not, but a dog displays considerably more loyality than some of our fairweather posters.

Quote Originally Posted by Brian Rush
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2002 9:06 am

A few days after the September 11 attack, I taped a U.S. flag to the window of my car.

This morning, I took it down.








Post#5331 at 12-30-2002 01:16 PM by TrollKing [at Portland, OR -- b. 1968 joined Sep 2001 #posts 1,257]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marc Lamb
Perhaps not, but a dog displays considerably more loyality than some of our fairweather posters.
i see your point, but "loyalty"? give a dog, any dog, a steak, and see where his loyalty lies.


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I see your point, but is misplacing an "i" worthy of such attention?

Especially by one who has never learned that a sentence begins with a capitalized letter?







Post#5333 at 12-30-2002 01:27 PM by TrollKing [at Portland, OR -- b. 1968 joined Sep 2001 #posts 1,257]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marc Lamb
I see your point, but is misplacing an "i" worthy of such attention?
heheheh.... i hadn't even noticed.


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Quote Originally Posted by Marc Lamb
Especially by one who has never learned that a sentence begins with a capitalized letter?
hey! you added that! no fair.... do over!

but i have learned the rule, i just don't follow it. extra keystrokes to change case, internet personality, etc., etc....


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Quote Originally Posted by TrollKing
Quote Originally Posted by Marc Lamb
Perhaps not, but a dog displays considerably more loyality than some of our fairweather posters.
i see your point, but "loyalty"? give a dog, any dog, a steak, and see where his loyalty lies.


TK
Besides, you're talking about a certain kind of dog, one commonly called a "bitch." Any resemblance to a certain former First Lady, or those that whorship her, are merely, um, coincidental. :wink:

Yes, misplaced "h" intentional.







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Beautiful
Intelligent
Talented
Charming
Humorous


yep...sounds like hrc to me...yepperoo...TG







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Quote Originally Posted by Marc Lamb
Besides, you're talking about a certain kind of dog, one commonly called a "bitch." Any resemblance to a certain former First Lady, or those that whorship her, are merely, um, coincidental. :wink:

Yes, misplaced "h" intentional.
geez, marc. you do realize how misogynistic that makes you sound, don't you? not that you care or anything, but you do realize it, right? and not in some sort of "i'm-politically-incorrect-and-therefore-bold-and-independent" way, either, but more of a "meat-headed-supressed-homosexual-and-over-compensating-fraternity-guy" way. (not that you are, but that's the tone i'm getting)

besides, anyone knows that dogs are more like men, with all the bravado and drooling and leg-humping, etc.


TK







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Quote Originally Posted by HopefulCynic68
Quote Originally Posted by Heliotrope
[Bush IS an idiot.
What evidence do you have for that? I know his opponents (except for a few who see the threat he represents to them) keep saying that, but they keep losing to him, too. Bush neatly outmanuevered the Democrats in E2002, letting their tendency to think him an idiot trap them.

He may be dangerous, he may be wrong, he might even be a fascist if Stonewall is right, but there's no evidence whatever for idiocy.
Susan, I'm with HC here. Bush may not be the most articulate orator that ever graced the Oval Office, nor is he the most learned, in terms of book learnin', but he is very shrewd and has impressive political smarts. Whether you agree with his policies or not (and I tend to disagree with most), we shouldn't underestimate him.







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Quote Originally Posted by HopefulCynic68
Quote Originally Posted by cbailey
"They misunderestimated me."

George W. Bush
November 6, 2000
Comment made in Bentonville, Arkansas
I'm not sure of your point. If you're saying that constitutes evidence of idiocy, you're wrong. It's evidence of a tendency to tangle words, which Bush shares with millions. If anything, it helps him politically.

If you mean his political foes misunderestimated him, yes, it appears that they did, based on E2002. :lol:
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I think he sounds like an idiot alot of the time. But yes, he is misunderestimated.







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An interesting historical quote (from Molly's column today);

"H.L. Menken on the prose of one of another of our presidents who had some difficulty with English:


'Setting aside a college professor or two and half a dozen manical newspaper reporters, [Warren Harding} takes first place in my Valhalla of literati. That is to say, he writes the worst English I have ever encountered. It reminds me of a string of wet sponges; it reminds me of tattered washing on the line; it reminds me of stale bean soup, of college yells, of dogs barking idiotically through endless nights. It is so bad a sort of grandeur creeps into it. It drags itself out of the dark abysm of pish, and crawls up to the topmost pinnacle of tosh.' "

:wink:
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Also.........When is Mr. Bush going to give his SECOND live news conference fom the press room at the WH.....with live reporters? We've only had one, haven't we? I think we deserve another.







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Quote Originally Posted by Jenny Genser
Susan, I'm with HC here. Bush may not be the most articulate orator that ever graced the Oval Office, nor is he the most learned, in terms of book learnin', but he is very shrewd and has impressive political smarts. Whether you agree with his policies or not (and I tend to disagree with most), we shouldn't underestimate him.

His advisors are shrewd with the political smarts, Junior is not. That is the point. Junior is nothing without his advisors.







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Quote Originally Posted by cbailey
I think he sounds like an idiot alot of the time. But yes, he is misunderestimated.
No, his advisors are "misunderestimated." Separate him from his advisors and he is helpless. He does not have a clue. This has been unambiguously clear since the moment the puppet was first thrust forward in 1999, has it not?







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Quote Originally Posted by cbailey
I think he sounds like an idiot alot of the time. But yes, he is misunderestimated.
I am surprized you liberals so eagerly wish to play this gaffey "Bush is an idiot" game. Oh well, so be it. Here's some chuckles compliments of the man who would be president, if the liberals would've had their way about it:

January 17, 1993: In a tour of Monticello, Gore asked about a row of busts: "Who are these people?" The New York Times explained the curator "helpfully identified the unfamiliar faces: 'This is George Washington on the extreme right,' with Benjamin Franklin close behind." TV coverage? Zero.

January 6, 1994: In a speech in Milwaukee praising the city's ethnic diversity, Gore said America "can be e pluribus unum. Out of one, many." TV coverage? Zero.

October 28, 1994: In Virginia, Gore attacked Oliver North's Senate bid supporters as "the extreme right wing, the extra chromosome right wing." Advocates for those with Down's Syndrome, caused by an extra chromosome, were outraged. TV coverage? Zero.

November 1994: The November 28 New Yorker quoted from letters Gore sent his father in the '60s saying anti-communism was a "form of psychological ailment -- in this case a national madness," leading the U.S. into "supporting fascist totalitarian regimes in the name of fighting totalitarianism...For me the best example of all is the U.S. Army." TV coverage? Only CNN aired a brief on World News November 20.

June 20, 1996: Gore attacked a GOP plan to bar new immigrants from Social Security as "un-American, simply un-American." TV coverage? Only CNN's Inside Politics carried it four days later, as an example of "tart political talk this month from members of both parties."

July 3, 1996: The New York Times reported that in 1988, Gore told an audience of tobacco farmers, "I want you to know that with my own hands, all of my life, I put it in the plant beds and transferred it. I've hoed it. I've dug in it. I've sprayed it, I've chopped it, I've shredded it, spiked it, put it in the barn and stripped it and sold it." TV coverage? Zero, even after Gore claimed in his maudlin August 28 Chicago convention speech that his sister's death in 1984 spurred him to wage war on the tobacco industry. Only CBS noted it before the election.

December 1997: Gore told Time's Karen Tumulty he and Tipper were the inspiration for Erich Segal's novel Love Story. TV coverage? CNN aired it, as did NBC's Today. On the 22nd, The Washington Times noted Gore claimed "2,000 years ago a homeless woman gave birth to a homeless child in a manger," even though Joseph and Mary were traveling, not homeless. TV coverage? Zero.

June 15, 1998: Gore told Chicago Bull fans: "That Michael Jackson is unbelievable, isn't he?" (That's Michael Jordan.) TV coverage? CBS Saturday Morning paired it with Dan Quayle saying Republicans will beat Bill Clinton in 2000.

October 1, 1998: The Times of London reported Gore told rock star Courtney Love at a Hollywood party "I'm a really big fan," but when she snapped "Yeah right, name a song, Al," he said, "I can't name a song." TV coverage? Zero.

October 12, 1998: Gore stumped for Democrats in Minnesota, saying, "They will be the education team that Missouri needs." TV coverage? Zero.

Other hilarious quotes from Democrat Al Gore:

"I am not part of the problem. I am a Democrat." -- Vice President Al Gore

"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls." -- Vice President Al Gore

"Illegitimacy is something we should talk about in terms of not having it." -- Vice President Al Gore, 5/20/996

"Democrats understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child." -- Vice President Al Gore

"Welcome to President Clinton, Mrs. Clinton, and my fellow astronauts." -- Vice President Al Gore

"Mars is essentially in the same orbit... Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe." -- Vice President Al Gore

"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is." -- Vice President Al Gore

"People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have tremendous impact on history." -- Vice President Al Gore

"When I have been asked who caused the riots and the killing in L.A., my answer has been direct and simple: Who is to blame for the riots? The rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame." -- Al Gore

"The American people would not want to know of any misquotes that Al Gore may or may not make." -- Vice President Al Gore







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Marc, You should put these together as a desk calender.
There are big bucks to be made. :lol:







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Quote Originally Posted by Jenny Genser
Quote Originally Posted by HopefulCynic68
Quote Originally Posted by Heliotrope
[Bush IS an idiot.
What evidence do you have for that? I know his opponents (except for a few who see the threat he represents to them) keep saying that, but they keep losing to him, too. Bush neatly outmanuevered the Democrats in E2002, letting their tendency to think him an idiot trap them.

He may be dangerous, he may be wrong, he might even be a fascist if Stonewall is right, but there's no evidence whatever for idiocy.
Susan, I'm with HC here. Bush may not be the most articulate orator that ever graced the Oval Office, nor is he the most learned, in terms of book learnin', but he is very shrewd and has impressive political smarts. Whether you agree with his policies or not (and I tend to disagree with most), we shouldn't underestimate him.
I am not certain whether Mr. Bush's political smarts are his own, or not (I'm inclined to think not, but what do I know?). He is, however, shrewd enough to surround himself with people who are highly intelligent and capable indeed -- witness Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, Ashcroft et al.







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Quote Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

"Mars is essentially in the same orbit... Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe." -- Vice President Al Gore
Uh-buoy. Nice work, Al. That one sort of reminds me of the time back in the early 80s when Mr. Reagan said that "Nuclear missiles (once launched?) can be recalled (if we change our mind?)".







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Quote Originally Posted by cbailey
Marc, You should put these together as a desk calender.
There are big bucks to be made. :lol:
No doubt they'd sell about as well as the Democrat's message in November, or the Donahue/Matthews crap on MSNBC.

Hey, speaking of selling, anybody seen those books the Clinton's got huge unfront advances on, two years ago? Hilliary, herself, got around $8,000,000, I believe.







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Quote Originally Posted by Marc Lamb
Other hilarious quotes from Democrat Al Gore:

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those quotes (and more) can be found here.

except, they're not attributed to al gore..... they're attributed to dan quayle.

gore's quotes are here.


TK







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Quayle v. Gore Gaffe Contest

Quote Originally Posted by TrollKing
Quote Originally Posted by Marc Lamb
Other hilarious quotes from Democrat Al Gore:

<snip>
those quotes (and more) can be found here.
except, they're not attributed to al gore..... they're attributed to dan quayle.
gore's quotes are here.
TK
I got 'em here.

But the Quayle v. Gore gaffe contest can be found here. :wink:







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Re: Quayle v. Gore Gaffe Contest

Quote Originally Posted by Marc Lamb
I got 'em here.

But the Quayle v. Gore gaffe contest can be found here. :wink:
i'm inclined to believe the brainyquote site.... not because it attributes them to quayle, but because it seems to be in the "business" (or whatever the hell you call it) of archiving quotes. but who knows? maybe i'll try to find a source that can verify who said what when i'm bored.

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(follow up

that wasn't very hard. here's one.


TK
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