Originally Posted by Stonewall Patton

Originally Posted by cbailey

I think he sounds like an idiot alot of the time. But yes, he is misunderestimated.

No, his advisors are "misunderestimated." Separate him from his advisors and he is helpless. He does not have a clue. This has been unambiguously clear since the moment the puppet was first thrust forward in 1999, has it not?

No, it hasn't been all that clear. Even if you're right about the moral and Constitutional corruption of the Bush II Administration, the evidence that Bush himself is a figurehead is thin at best.

Originally Posted by Kevin Parker '59

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

"Mars is essentially in the same orbit... Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe." -- Vice President Al Gore

Uh-buoy. Nice work, Al. That one sort of reminds me of the time back in the early 80s when Mr. Reagan said that "Nuclear missiles (once launched?) can be recalled (if we change our mind?)".

Whether it was said by Gore or Quayle, there are others.

Legend has it that Representative Jackson Lee, D-Texas, asked a NASA official if the rover could be steered over to where the astronauts had landed. On Mars.

In fairness, politicians are in the public eye all the time, and often asked questions about things by complete surprise. Further, if you look back at your own (or my own) life, you usually find lots of times when you said something really stupid, and realized it the next second.

For us, that's not usually that big a deal. For a politician who says it at the wrong time or place, it can haunt them for years.

Originally Posted by HopefulCynic68

Originally Posted by Stonewall Patton

Originally Posted by cbailey

I think he sounds like an idiot alot of the time. But yes, he is misunderestimated.

No, his advisors are "misunderestimated." Separate him from his advisors and he is helpless. He does not have a clue. This has been unambiguously clear since the moment the puppet was first thrust forward in 1999, has it not?

No, it hasn't been all that clear. Even if you're right about the moral and Constitutional corruption of the Bush II Administration, the evidence that Bush himself is a figurehead is thin at best.

That is such a shameless load of BS that surely you work for the White House! That is utterly shameless. Every last one of the many, many conservatives that I know in real life, without exception, instantly recognized the idiot for the blatant puppet that he is back in 1999. This perception has not changed. In 2000 they found themselves "stuck" with the imbecile against their will and, accordingly, they did not vote for the unambiguous puppet, they voted against Gore. To the extent that any of them today pretend that they think that this guy is in control of his administration, they are willfully lying under the propagandist-promoted delusion that the world must be saved from those evil Democrats and that the ends justify the means in this "battle." This is all a monumental load of of BS.

It used to be that the Democrats had to be opposed at all costs for subverting the truth and upending the ground beneath our feet. Now it seems that the Republicans must be opposed at all costs for subverting that same truth. Just to remind Kool-Aid drinkers:

The sky is blue.

2 + 2 = 4.

That idiot in the White House is a blatant puppet.

And there is not a damn thing that flatulent fraud on the radio or any of his accomplices can say to change these truths.

Originally Posted by cbailey

Marc, You should put these together as a desk calender.
There are big bucks to be made. :lol:

Yes, there are. I just finished watching Anne Coulter, whose book Slander debuted at #1 on the NYTimes bestseller list. Works by conservatives do sell.

However, Al Gore is now old news. How about compiling stupid quotes from John Kerry, Joe Liberman, and all the rest of the likely Democratic nominees, including Al Sharpton? While Marc's at it, he can also compile silly quotes from Nader, Buchanan (just to show that Marc can snipe at conservatives--just so they're not Republicans), and Brown of the Libertarians. He'll have the market all to himself!

http://www.canada.com/national/featu...F-A17A73DFEE21

(Usual disclaimers)



Most see U.S. as a 'bully,' survey finds
Canadians conflicted about how much support to show Americans

Norma Greenaway
The Ottawa Citizen

Saturday, December 28, 2002
ADVERTISEMENT


Canadians have their backs up over American foreign policy, according to a new survey that shows the vast majority believe the United States is acting like a bully with the rest of the world.

The survey suggests a chill has developed in Canada-U.S. relations compared to the empathy and support that flowed following the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, and for the launch of the U.S.-led "war on terrorism."

Although almost half of those surveyed agree the United States, as the world's sole superpower, has a responsibility to intervene in the affairs of other countries to protect global security, almost seven in 10 believe the U.S. is "starting to act like a bully with the rest of the world."

The survey, based on telephone interviews with 1,400 adult Canadians, was conducted in the first half of November for Maclean's magazine, Global TV and the Citizen by the Strategic Counsel, a Toronto-based polling firm.

It makes clear Canadians are conflicted about how supportive and friendly they want to be with Americans, an ambivalence some analysts say Prime Minister Jean Chr?tien reflects in his reserved approach to the Bush administration.

Indeed, the survey lands as the Canadian government grapples with big issues: how to repair and enhance relations with the security-obsessed United States, the country's largest trading partner; and if and how to support Washington in a probable U.S.-led war on Iraq.

The survey indicates Canadians don't want the Chr?tien government bending over backwards to support the U.S. in the pending war.

The findings say Canadians are ambivalent, for example, about the threat posed by Iraq and are strongly opposed to backing a U.S.-led war on Saddam Hussein with Canadian fighting units.

At the same time, a majority -- 53 per cent -- said Canada should provide some non-combat support, such as food and transportation, regardless of whether the UN Security Council approves an attack.

Michael Sullivan, an analyst with the Strategic Counsel, says the findings lay bare Canadians' conflicted feelings about the United States.

"We obviously recognize we're tied to the U.S. in ways that we might not have been a decade ago because of NAFTA," he said.

But Canadians also are saying that despite shared security issues, a military partnership and a long friendship, their priorities are not necessarily the U.S. interests and the two countries may have different outlooks on things.

"As Canadians, we take pride in our role as peacemaking and peacekeeping," Mr. Sullivan said.

"I think that that is part of our personality. We take pride in medicare, we take pride in our peacekeeping role. And when we look at the U.S., we don't see those kind of values necessarily reflected."

Mr. Sullivan said the strong 67-per-cent Canadian agreement with the statement the U.S. government is "starting to act like a bully" with the rest of the world is telling.

It's not that Canadians don't think the U.S. has a responsibility in world affairs as the lone superpower, it's just they are upset over how the U.S. is exercising that responsibility, he said.

The survey shows more Canadians had put a distance between themselves and their U.S. counterparts by the end of this year, compared to a year earlier.

Last year, almost half of respondents -- 49 per cent -- said Canadians and Americas were "essentially" or "mainly" the same. That percentage slid to 41 per cent when the same question was asked this year.

Similarly, in the months after Sept 11, 2001, 33 per cent of Canadians said Americans are "like family" or "best friends." A year later, the proportion dropped to 22 per cent.

The results of the survey are considered accurate within 3.1 percentage points 19 times in 20.

? Copyright 2002 The Ottawa Citizen

Originally Posted by HopefulCynic68

In fairness, politicians are in the public eye all the time, and often asked questions about things by complete surprise. Further, if you look back at your own (or my own) life, you usually find lots of times when you said something really stupid, and realized it the next second.

For us, that's not usually that big a deal. For a politician who says it at the wrong time or place, it can haunt them for years.

I agree with you, HC. And this whole obsession about who said what dumb thing at one time or another is silly, IMO, because it's distracting people from the very serious issues we face in this country.

Originally Posted by Kiff '61

I agree with you, HC. And this whole obsession about who said what dumb thing at one time or another is silly, IMO, because it's distracting people from the very serious issues we face in this country.

i agree with HC's quote there, too. obviously people make verbal gaffes all the time, and polititicians are more likely than anyone to get called on them. and really, it doesn't matter much. but marc was trying to slam gore with a bunch of quotes that aren't his (as well as some that were), and i wanted to set the record straight (or as straight as possible).

it's not the politics of it that mattered to me.... it was the truth.


TK

First things first...

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Kiff '61

I agree with you, HC. And this whole obsession about who said what dumb thing at one time or another is silly, IMO, because it's distracting people from the very serious issues we face in this country.

i agree with HC's quote there, too. obviously people make verbal gaffes all the time, and polititicians are more likely than anyone to get called on them. and really, it doesn't matter much. but marc was trying to slam gore with a bunch of quotes that aren't his (as well as some that were), and i wanted to set the record straight (or as straight as possible).

it's not the politics of it that mattered to me.... it was the truth. TK

Yeah, right. Like the first series of Gore quotes and stupid gaffes are null and void because the second series are called into question (and I'm still not convinced Gore didn't say them).

But, as I said when I posted the Gore crap, "I am surprized you liberals so eagerly wish to play this gaffey "Bush is an idiot" game. Oh well, so be it." Thus, in typical and predictable style, when called on their hypocrisy, the liberal always screams, Can't we all just get along?

Originally Posted by Vince Lamb '59

While Marc's at it, he can also compile silly quotes from Nader, Buchanan (just to show that Marc can snipe at conservatives--just so they're not Republicans), and Brown of the Libertarians. He'll have the market all to himself!

Uh, Nadar is hardly a conservative, and Buchanan has been off the reservation for quite some time now. Brown? He's just irrelavent.

So, let's just stick with Bush is an idiot! Bush is Hitler! Bush is an idiot! Bush is Hitler! Bush is an idiot! Bush is Hitler! Bush is an idiot! Bush is Hitler! Bush is an idiot! Bush is Hitler! Bush is an idiot! Bush is Hitler! Bush is an idiot! Bush is Hitler! Bush is an idiot! Bush is Hitler! Bush is an idiot! Bush is Hitler! Bush is an idiot! Bush is Hitler! Bush is an idiot! Bush is Hitler! Bush is an idiot! Bush is Hitler! Bush is an idiot! Bush is Hitler! Bush is an idiot! Bush is Hitler! Bush is an idiot! Bush is Hitler! Bush is an idiot! Bush is Hitler! Bush is an idiot! Bush is Hitler! Bush is an idiot! Bush is Hitler!




p.s. Hey, ya throw enough mud on the wall some of it's bound to stick. :wink:

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

Yeah, right. Like the first series of Gore quotes and stupid gaffes are null and void because the second series are called into question

no, they're not "null and void".... i acknowledged that those were his (i don't actually know they're his-- i'm just believing you). had you left it at those, i never would have said a peep, because, as HC said, this sh*t happens all the time to all of us, and it doesn't amount to a row of ash cans.

but the second series i recognized from years ago as being attributed to quayle, and then when gwb was campaigning i had seen them (mistakenly) attributed to him. and here you were attributing them to gore, so i got curious and looked into it. accuracy is important, is it not?

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

(and I'm still not convinced Gore didn't say them).

bully for you.

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

But, as I said when I posted the Gore crap, "I am surprized you liberals so eagerly wish to play this gaffey "Bush is an idiot" game.

i don't believe i "played that game" at all. do you think that everyone here who disagrees with you is really just one person, posting under different aliases or something? i just did a little fact-checking. you might want to consider doing a little yourself.

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

Oh well, so be it." Thus, in typical and predictable style, when called on their hypocrisy, the liberal always screams, Can't we all just get along?

yeah, that's exactly what happened. can i have some of what you're having? the delusions are apparently intoxicating.


TK

Monoghan:

Brian, your moral equivalence is right there with the man who was so open minded [etc.]

I have voiced no moral equivalency. I have voiced a strategic truth: that nuclear deterrence works. This does not make the nation deterred "morally equivalent" to the deterring nation, or vice-versa.

A preemptive defense policy, combined with American interests in trade, travel and security, does not translate into bomb everybody.

Of course it does. American interests in trade, travel, and security span the globe; every nation on earth MIGHT interfere with those interests; a policy of attacking any nation that MIGHT threaten our interests -- distinct from a policy of defending our interests against those who actually DO threaten them -- is a "bomb everybody" policy. Or almost everybody. Maybe at this point we could exempt the British.

And only a person who blames America first believes that everybody hates this country.

Heh. Or anybody who reads the newspapers, especially foreign ones.

Well, actually "hates" is too strong a word. About half the world hates us, and the other half merely dislikes us. But they're disliking us more and more as time goes by and Bush's foreign-policy mistakes mount.

Hillary is running.

Evidence? She says she's not.

But she needs a third party just like Bill to suppress the vote for Bush.

According to all the exit polls that year, the Perot vote would have gone to Clinton and Bush in about the same proportion as the rest of the electorate voted. So Clinton didn't need the Perot candidacy.

She'll be too old in 2008. So this is it.

She'll be younger in 2008 than LBJ was in 1964, or Reagan in 1980, or Nixon in 1972. Is there a different standard for women?

The real problem with a 2008 run is that she'd probably face a Democratic incumbent. If she figures that out, I'll grant you she may change her mind and enter the race in '04. But so for there's no sign of it.

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

But, as I said when I posted the Gore crap, "I am surprized you liberals so eagerly wish to play this gaffey "Bush is an idiot" game.

i don't believe i "played that game" at all. do you think that everyone here who disagrees with you is really just one person, posting under different aliases or something? i just did a little fact-checking. you might want to consider doing a little yourself.

I wasn't directing those comments at you per se. As for the "i don't actually know they're his-- i'm just believing you" business, the first series of Gore gaffes came from the Media Research Center. In addition, they provide video clips here, so you can actually watch Gore gaffe:

Gaffe #1: Al Gore claims "I took the initiative in creating the Internet," but mixed up Web addressing. An August 8, 1996 story by Bob Schieffer on the CBS Evening News shows Bill Clinton and Gore looking over the shoulders of school kids who appear to be surfing the Web. Clinton asks Gore: "What's our e-mail address, Al? You know that?" Gore replies with a Web address: "Yeah, w, w, w, dot White House." Gore pauses and an aide pipes up "dot gov," prompting Gore to add an erroneous extra "dot" as he instructs the student to enter "dot gov dot."
Gaffe #2: During January 17, 1993 pre-Inaugural tour of Monticello, Thomas Jefferson's home, shown live by C-SPAN, Al Gore asks of busts of George Washington, Benjamin Franklin and Marquis de Lafayette: "Who are these people?" Also along on the tour: wife Tipper as well as Bill and Hillary Clinton. for more details

Gaffe #3: CNN dug out classic video of Gore boasting in 1988 about tobacco: "I've put it in the plant beds and transferred it. I've hoed it. I've suckered it. I've sprayed it." for more details

Gaffe #4: "I took the initiative in creating the Internet," Al Gore preposterously claimed on the March 9, 1999 Late Edition/PrimeTime, but that didn?t faze CNN?s Wolf Blitzer who just kept tossing softball questions. for more details

Gaffe #5: Singer Courtney Love recounted on the May 20, 1999 Late Show with David Letterman how at a Democratic fundraiser in Hollywood Al Gore told her "I'm a really big fan of yours." When she asked him to name one of her songs, she relayed how "he couldn't do it, he couldn't do it!" Disney's Mr. Showbiz.com provides this profile of the singer Gore said he enjoyed: "Her on-stage antics have included at one time or another cutting herself, berating her audience, performing simulated fellatio on fans, and stage-diving into the mosh pit where fans have torn off all of her clothes. She usually performs extremely drunk, although some say it's just part of her act. She has assaulted fans, and she once attacked Katherine Hanna of Bikini Kill. As a result, Love was subjected to a court order to refrain from violence and attend anger-management classes."

Gaffe #6: NBC?s Tom Brokaw declared as "simply wrong" Al Gore?s claim that 18 to 20 year-olds can buy a handgun, but Dan Rather made it sound like a partisan political dispute: "You may want to note that critics say Gore misspoke himself today." for more details

Gaffe #7: On August 28, 1996 every network carried Al Gore's speech to the Democratic convention in Chicago, which dwelled on the tragic story of his sister Nancy's 1984 death from smoking. He tremulously pledged: "Until I draw my last breath, I will pour my heart and soul into the cause of protecting our children from the dangers of smoking." for more details

Gaffe #8: Gore now called Clinton?s behavior "inexcusable," but Gore once boasted: "I feel extremely privileged to have been able to serve with him as his partner for the past six years....America?s great President, Bill Clinton." for more details

Gaffe #9: FNC and CNN showed Al Gore fumbling over mammograms and making up drug cost for his mother-in-law and dog. "So while it costs $108 a month for a person, it costs $37.80 a month for a dog...." As FNC?s Jim Angle explains in a Special Report with Brit Hume, "... aides now concede that Gore did not know and does not know what his mother-in-law actually pays for the drug or the price that is charged the dog for that matter." for more details

Gaffe #10: On September 18, 2000 another Gore gaffe went unnoticed by the broadcast networks.." Gore on Monday in Las Vegas, breaking into singing for the lyrics: "You know I still remember the lullabies that I heard as a child, [singing] ?Look for the union label.? The gaffe? The lullaby wasn't created until Gore was 27.


Have fun, and happy New Year!

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

Hey, Tristan Jones, madscientist, Vince Lamb, Tom Mazanec, Justin '77, Justin'79, Jenny Genser, oddlystrange, sv81, SteveM_55, SMA, Kjirsti75, Norma'66, Pat Mathews, Neisha '67, Kiff '61, Ms. Susan, Donna Sherman, allybear '62, scott '63, Lis '54, David '47, Brian Rush, angeli, Kevin Parker '59, Crispy '59, Matt Wilson, Anthony '58, Lorelai63, wesvolk, L Leavell, Greg 63, Dave'71, and all the rest of you 9.11.2001 was the fourthturning catalyst people, I've got some great news! Here's the latest headline:

As Boom Gains Plurality in Senate
Baby Boomer To Replace
Aging Silent Majority Leader

Wow! Aren't you all excited? This is it, folks! Those crazy Boomers have arrived, and they're taking over the place, too. No doubt, just as soon as the Democrats can get those evil Republicans outta there, we're gonna see the "next New Deal." And it's gonna be just like New Age guru, Fritjof Capra's prophecy in The Turning Point of 1982, too. Yep, we're gonna "build the civilization of the future," with a "cheerful willingness to impose New Age agendas on the bad guys with the full power of the state: Nationalize oil, restructure society, do whatever is necessary to get everybody thinking right."

No more "waiting for Godot" now, coz "Happy Days" are "Just Around the Corner." :wink:

More good news for you 4Ters:

LONDON (Reuters) - Wall Street is limping toward its first three-year losing streak since 1939-41 while the blue-chip Dow is headed to its worst December performance since 1931.

Strike up the band, folks, Happy days are [almost] here, again!

So long sad times!,
Go 'long bad times!,
We are rid of you at last
Howdy, gay times!
Cloudy gray times,
You are now a thing
Of the past, cause:

Chorus:
Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
Let us sing a song of cheer again
Happy days are here again
Altogether shout it now!
There's no one who can doubt it now
So let's tell the world about it now
Happy days are here again
Your cares and troubles are gone;
There'll be no more from now on
Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
Let us sing a song of cheer again
Happy days are here again

Geez Marc,
Don't you know Courtney Love is a liar?
Quotes from her would make a very interesting desk calender.
Very Far Side.

How about this? Happy Days are here Again?



Two-Thirds of Americans Say No to More Tax Cuts





BY WILL LESTER
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON -- Almost two Americans out of three believe it is prudent to hold off on more tax cuts, a centerpiece of President Bush's domestic policy agenda, an Associated Press poll found.

They greet the new year more cautious about their personal spending yet somewhat optimistic that their financial situation will improve.

And regarding international affairs, the poll found people wary of a war with Iraq and much more likely to see Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaida network as threats than Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

Two-thirds said they were worried that war with Iraq would increase chances of a terror attack in the United States, according to the poll conducted by ICR/International Communications Research of Media, Pa.

On economics, even most Republicans said it would be better to hold off on tax cuts to avoid deeper deficits. The White House is putting together tax cuts that could total $300 billion. They would feature lower taxes on shareholders' dividends, accelerate the 2001 tax cuts for all but the wealthiest Americans and provide new depreciation breaks for businesses.

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

More good news for you 4Ters:

LONDON (Reuters) - Wall Street is limping toward its first three-year losing streak since 1939-41 while the blue-chip Dow is headed to its worst December performance since 1931.

This recent (last 2-3 years) performance in the US Stock market has really surprised me, I read Harry S Dent's book the Roaring 2000's which predicted using demographics that the stock market boom would be roaring on strongly until 2008. The fact the stock market over the last 3 years has declined instead of grown strongly (say increased its value by a 1/3), is really perplexing me. With the Boomers entering their elder years, X'ers entering midlife and 4T mood setting in, I doubt the stock market will grow by much, if at all.

A weak stock market is reflective of mood changes in the Boom and X'er generation, The Boom are entering elderhood and turning into asthetic hermits, while the X'ers are settling down. What is really concerning me is possibly of a delfationary spiral, we already live in a delfationary economy (if you remove the housing market).

gosh ms x i had no idea you had the wherewithal to put a complete thought together in a sentence let alone a paragraph a complete post dang it all im really impressed happy new year indeed

Originally Posted by Tristan Jones

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

More good news for you 4Ters:

LONDON (Reuters) - Wall Street is limping toward its first three-year losing streak since 1939-41 while the blue-chip Dow is headed to its worst December performance since 1931.

A weak stock market is reflective of mood changes in the Boom and X'er generation, The Boom are entering elderhood and turning into asthetic hermits, while the X'ers are settling down. What is really concerning me is possibly of a delfationary spiral, we already live in a delfationary economy (if you remove the housing market).

True, there is something peaceful and calm about becoming a hermit. I can so easily picture myself happily retired in a little New England bungalow, with my roaring wood stove, a reclining leather easy chair, a pipe filled with cherry cavendish, a crystal sniffer of Glenmorangie in one hand and a good volume of non-fiction in the other. But first I have to work another twenty years to finance such end-of-life bliss. Wish me luck ;-)

The only reason the housing market is still inflating is because of all the folks who pulled their money out of an unstable stock market and dumped it into real estate. But now that there are far fewer additional people who have an easy $100,000 to plunk down on a house, current home prices are unsustainable since first time home buyers won't be able to afford them. If the stock market really tanks and the banks find they have less money to lend out for mortgages, home values from Boston to San Diego will plummet in very short order. I almost feel sorry for the guy who paid $210,000 for my 700-square-foot West Seattle cottage two years ago. He may find himself with an upside-down mortgage for the rest of his working life.

Originally Posted by elilevin

Originally Posted by Stonewall Patton

Originally Posted by Heliotrope

Bush IS an idiot.

Hehe. And that idiot is going to get us all killed too. Not that he cares, obviously.

Name calling isn't really much of an argument one way or another and seems to engender more name calling rather than meaningful discussion.

I enjoy a good discussion and disagreement among the posters on this list, however this thread seems to have degenerated into a name-calling game similar to one played by my children:

You're an idiot!
Am not!
Are too!
Your mom is an idiot, too!
Is not!
Is too!
Well, you're an idiot, too!
Well...nanny nanny boo boo!

THere have been several posts where other folks have tried to discuss issues rather than name calling and these consistently are followed by more name calling. Really, guys this is getting to be pathetic.

Did you notice the irony of Heliotrope's name calling followed by the signature in which all the hatred in the world is decried...Hmmmm...

I'll take this as evidence as this site, like the world, has returned to 3T "normalcy" despite a 4T scare - it's good to be back

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

Originally Posted by cbailey

I think he sounds like an idiot alot of the time. But yes, he is misunderestimated.

I am surprized you liberals so eagerly wish to play this gaffey "Bush is an idiot" game. Oh well, so be it. Here's some chuckles compliments of the man who would be president, if the liberals would've had their way about it:

January 17, 1993: In a tour of Monticello, Gore asked about a row of busts: "Who are these people?" The New York Times explained the curator "helpfully identified the unfamiliar faces: 'This is George Washington on the extreme right,' with Benjamin Franklin close behind." TV coverage? Zero.

I myself have trouble identifying political figures from faces... in the debates of 2000 I could not, for the life of me, tell who was Bush and who was Gore! Oh well... he doesn't know what Mmailliw Nosreyem looks like either :-)

January 6, 1994: In a speech in Milwaukee praising the city's ethnic diversity, Gore said America "can be e pluribus unum. Out of one, many." TV coverage? Zero.

October 28, 1994: In Virginia, Gore attacked Oliver North's Senate bid supporters as "the extreme right wing, the extra chromosome right wing." Advocates for those with Down's Syndrome, caused by an extra chromosome, were outraged. TV coverage? Zero.

November 1994: The November 28 New Yorker quoted from letters Gore sent his father in the '60s saying anti-communism was a "form of psychological ailment -- in this case a national madness," leading the U.S. into "supporting fascist totalitarian regimes in the name of fighting totalitarianism...For me the best example of all is the U.S. Army." TV coverage? Only CNN aired a brief on World News November 20.

June 20, 1996: Gore attacked a GOP plan to bar new immigrants from Social Security as "un-American, simply un-American." TV coverage? Only CNN's Inside Politics carried it four days later, as an example of "tart political talk this month from members of both parties."

July 3, 1996: The New York Times reported that in 1988, Gore told an audience of tobacco farmers, "I want you to know that with my own hands, all of my life, I put it in the plant beds and transferred it. I've hoed it. I've dug in it. I've sprayed it, I've chopped it, I've shredded it, spiked it, put it in the barn and stripped it and sold it." TV coverage? Zero, even after Gore claimed in his maudlin August 28 Chicago convention speech that his sister's death in 1984 spurred him to wage war on the tobacco industry. Only CBS noted it before the election.

December 1997: Gore told Time's Karen Tumulty he and Tipper were the inspiration for Erich Segal's novel Love Story. TV coverage? CNN aired it, as did NBC's Today. On the 22nd, The Washington Times noted Gore claimed "2,000 years ago a homeless woman gave birth to a homeless child in a manger," even though Joseph and Mary were traveling, not homeless. TV coverage? Zero.

June 15, 1998: Gore told Chicago Bull fans: "That Michael Jackson is unbelievable, isn't he?" (That's Michael Jordan.) TV coverage? CBS Saturday Morning paired it with Dan Quayle saying Republicans will beat Bill Clinton in 2000.

October 1, 1998: The Times of London reported Gore told rock star Courtney Love at a Hollywood party "I'm a really big fan," but when she snapped "Yeah right, name a song, Al," he said, "I can't name a song." TV coverage? Zero.

October 12, 1998: Gore stumped for Democrats in Minnesota, saying, "They will be the education team that Missouri needs." TV coverage? Zero.

Other hilarious quotes from Democrat Al Gore:

"I am not part of the problem. I am a Democrat." -- Vice President Al Gore

"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls." -- Vice President Al Gore

"Illegitimacy is something we should talk about in terms of not having it." -- Vice President Al Gore, 5/20/996

"Democrats understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child." -- Vice President Al Gore

"Welcome to President Clinton, Mrs. Clinton, and my fellow astronauts." -- Vice President Al Gore

"Mars is essentially in the same orbit... Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe." -- Vice President Al Gore

"What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is." -- Vice President Al Gore

"People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have tremendous impact on history." -- Vice President Al Gore

"When I have been asked who caused the riots and the killing in L.A., my answer has been direct and simple: Who is to blame for the riots? The rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame." -- Al Gore

"The American people would not want to know of any misquotes that Al Gore may or may not make." -- Vice President Al Gore

And most of those last few quotes are Quayle quotes (even conservative Carolyn Gargaro at www.gargaro.com agrees!) which have often been attributed to Bush or Gore

Originally Posted by Xer of Evil

Marc and TK, I have an idea. Why not spend New Years Day enjoying the company of friends and family, rather than blasting each other on the internet?

that last post of mine was from new year's eve, and was the last post i made here until this one. and actually, i did spend new year's day doing exactly as you suggest, while skiing on mt. hood.

now, it's january 2nd. back to the blasting! :wink:


TK

Originally Posted by mmailliw

And most of those last few quotes are Quayle quotes (even conservative Carolyn Gargaro at www.gargaro.com agrees!) which have often been attributed to Bush or Gore

Ah, forget the quotes, that Carolyn Gargaro is one hot babe! She reminds me of my wife... nine years ago. And she still does, four kids and nine years later. :wink:

Thanks for the link, William.

A Past Filled with Pussy for Senator Frist.

Admits to killing adoptees for "medical experiments"...when will the GOP ever learn? This is "Compassion"? Is this behavior a precursor to even more severe problems in later life...lying and abuse, a fit man for the Senate? Do advise.

in the new Senate Majority leader's future. Will he grovel on some pet shows for "It was a heinous and dishonest thing to do," Frist wrote, in a passage quoted by The Boston Globe. On Tuesday, Frist's press aide, Nick Smith, told United Press International that "Senator Frist denounces the activities that he did while he was in medical school -- as he has done before."


It would seem that Marx was wrong even on this...first comes farce, then comes Frist. :evil:

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

A Past Filled with Pussy for Senator Frist.

Admits to killing adoptees for "medical experiments"...when will the GOP ever learn? This is "Compassion"? Is this behavior a precursor to even more severe problems in later life...lying and abuse, a fit man for the Senate? Do advise.

I hope and pray this story's "got legs." Quote: "Frist acknowledged in a 1989 book that he routinely killed cats while an ambitious medical student at Harvard Medical School in the 1970s."

He's gonna have to "apologize" for this "youthful indiscretion." And then all hell will break loose, again.

Elephants never forget, but do they ever learn?

Originally Posted by Marc Lamb

He's gonna have to "apologize" for this "youthful indiscretion." And then all hell will break loose, again.

Elephants never forget, but do they ever learn?

Most likely, only after enough prospective Republican Senate Majority Leaders have been hounded out of office (and then replaced by Democrat Governors) to give the Democrats a slim majority in the Senate. :o