Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Kevin Parker '59

Perhaps. But no more shallow than all those infertile couples who are/were pro-life because abortion reduced the pool of adoptable babies.

true. i have to admit, though, that this is the first time i'd heard either of those reasons for being pro-life.

You're not alone. I had the same reaction.

Aw, come on, TK! I just went through a "George W. Bush is Saruman" thread on another list I'm on, which quickly segued into "Bill Clinton is Gollum."

;-)

Originally Posted by TrollKing

wow.... and here i thought he was just employing metaphor (and an inaccurate one, at that). instead, you've shown that he clearly means for the two of you to die. thanks for connecting the dots.

perhaps, additionally, you'd like to draw us a picture of croaker as some sort of enormous, fanged, demon frog with blood soaked hands?
TK

You're welcome.

Croaker, like Edler, is pretty harmless.
It's their kids I 'm worried about.

North Korea continues to threaten US. Pretty 4T subject matter:



http://www.smh.com.au/text/articles/...4579932073.htm

(Usual disclaimers)



North Korea warns final showdown with US will be a nuclear one

Date: February 8 2003

By Shane Green, Herald Correspondent in Tokyo and agencies

An increasingly belligerent North Korea has warned of "total war" with the United States, predicting a conflict with it would develop into a nuclear one.

And in a further deterioration of the nuclear crisis, the chief of the North Korean Army, Kim Yong-chun, called on his generals to win a "brilliant victory in the final showdown with US imperialists".

The White House said it was ready to meet any threat, but at the same time, tried to avoid a sense of impending crisis, reaffirming its commitment to a diplomatic solution.

"We've heard much talk from North Korea before," a White House spokesman, Ari Fleischer, said. "The United States is very prepared, with robust plans, for any contingencies."

North Korea's battle cries follow its claim earlier this week it has the right to make a pre-emptive strike against the US, and preparations by the US to deploy 24 long rang-range bombers to its air base in Guam, south-east of the Korean peninsula.

The Stalinist state has frequently talked of war since it admitted it was reactivating its nuclear arms program. But the latest warning has a new intensity, and comes amid reports from the country's capital, Pyongyang, that the regime is preparing its people for war, this week staging air raid drills.

The threat of a nuclear war was raised on Thursday by the official North Korean newspaper, Rodong Sinmum. It said the build-up of US forces meant that "a new war will inevitably break out on the Korean peninsula and it will develop to be a nuclear war". The paper said North Korea would answer "total war with total war".

In a separate statement yesterday, a North Korean news agency claimed the US forces build-up was "a very dangerous move that can only take place on the eve of or in times of war". It said the Korean peninsula would be deva-stated and suffer from a nuclear war unless the build-up stopped.

North Korea is already believed to have one or two nuclear weapons. Last month, US spy satellites detected trucks moving near fuel rods at the country's nuclear plant at Yongbyon. Some analysts say North Korea may be ready to use the rods to produce up to half a dozen more nuclear weapons.

One of North Korea's potential missile targets, Japan, has begun preparations to launch its first spy satellite, which will be an important tool in dealing with any threat from Pyongyang.

The spy satellite program began in earnest after North Korea fired a test missile over Japan in 1998, which landed in the Pacific. Japan had no warning of the launch.

Yesterday, the rocket used to deploy the satellite, one of two, arrived under heavy security at a port near the Tanegashima Space Centre in southern Japan for next month's launch.

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

What Croaker was trying to say here was that in his opinion,
as in the opinion of most environmentalists [nice projection, btw],
this sort of reasoning is that of a "12-year old,"
and that in effect Suz X is indeed something less
than a human being (a "larval version of Lamb's wool").

Thus Suz X and I, in the world of Joslyn Elders
and Croaker, amount to something akin to an
oopsy unwanted "fetus" that sadly fell through
the cracks and was actually birthed.
In a fourth turn, accordingly, we shall be
earmarked for premature death, much like the
"final solution."

wow.... and here i thought he was just employing
metaphor (and an inaccurate one, at that). instead,
you've shown that he clearly means for the two
of you to die. thanks for connecting the dots.

perhaps, additionally, you'd like to draw us
a picture of croaker as some sort of enormous,
fanged, demon frog with blood soaked hands?

TK

The March 3rd issue of Esquire magazine is out
and there's an interview in there with the author
Eric Alterman, who is a columnist for The Nation
He has a book out about bias in the media.

Esquire does a short little Q&A with him about
so-called conservative bias in the media today:

ESQ: "As a liberal who do you find more
objectionable, Bill O'Reilly, Chris Matthews,
or Rush Limbaugh?"

Alterman: "No question it's Limbaugh.
He has an army. O'Reilly and Matthews are entertainers.
I don't think anybody would follow the other two into a fire,
but Limbaugh is different. The lack of civility that he
demonstrates toward liberal politicians is really
dangerous to our political public.
I hate to say it, but I wish the guy
would have gone deaf.
I shouldn't say that, but on behalf of the country,
it would be better without Rush Limbaugh
and his 20 million listeners."
















Like I said, many liberal folks believe
for "the country" to be a better country,
"it would be better without Rush Limbaugh
and his 20 million listeners" were not around.

That means you have to maim them ("I wish
the guy would have gone deaf") or you just
liquidate them.

Funny.

I just walked out of my office, after
posting the Eric Alterman Esquire
quote, and gee...

... guess who's sparing with Bill O'Reilly
on Fox? I had never seen this Alterman
guy before... what a meely-mouthed
little pip-squeak geek! O'Reilly ate this
guy's lunch.

Needless to say, the flock is safe for
a little while longer, anyway. :wink:

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

....Alterman: "....I hate to say it, but I wish the guy
would have gone deaf.
I shouldn't say that, but on behalf of the country,
it would be better without Rush Limbaugh
and his 20 million listeners.".....

Like I said, many liberal folks believe
for "the country" to be a better country,
"it would be better without Rush Limbaugh
and his 20 million listeners" were not around.

That means you have to maim them ("I wish
the guy would have gone deaf") or you just
liquidate them.

marc, seriously, are you suggesting that nothing comparable has ever been uttered by anyone on the right? really, it's quite plain that the type of sentiment behind the above quote is pretty commonplace on all sides in the world of political discourse. is your personal bias so thick that you really don't see that? or do you just think others will be fooled?


TK

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

....Alterman: "....I hate to say it, but I wish the guy
would have gone deaf.
I shouldn't say that, but on behalf of the country,
it would be better without Rush Limbaugh
and his 20 million listeners.".....

Like I said, many liberal folks believe
for "the country" to be a better country,
"it would be better without Rush Limbaugh
and his 20 million listeners" were not around.

That means you have to maim them ("I wish
the guy would have gone deaf") or you just
liquidate them.

marc, seriously, are you suggesting that nothing comparable has ever been uttered by anyone on the right? really, it's quite plain that the type of sentiment behind the above quote is pretty commonplace on all sides in the world of political discourse. is your personal bias so thick that you really don't see that? or do you just think others will be fooled?


TK

I don't doubt that there have been some on the right who have called for the liquidation of leftists.

However...

To find such people, you would have to look far and wide. No Republican politician would ever voice such views. No Republican pundit would. Even right-wing websites such as freerepublic.com would exile someone for good if he said such a thing. (Free Republic actually did get rid of a subscriber just for posting the name and address of the restaurant owner who carded the Bush daughters). To locate such views, you'd have to go to one of those skinhead sites.

OTOH, Eric Alterman is a major left-wing pundit, working for the Nation, which is one of the Left's favorite magazines. And his views are not alone--Alec Baldwin fantasized publicly about stoning Henry Hyde's family to death, and was wildly cheered by a Democrat crowd. Many "antiwar" demonstrators held signs saying "Bomb Bush."

It is clear who wants to kill whom. It is thus a good thing that they are too cowardly to carry weapons.

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

I don't doubt that there have been some on the right who have called for the liquidation of leftists.
However...
To locate such views, you'd have to go to one of those skinhead sites.

OTOH, Eric Alterman is a major left-wing pundit, working for the Nation, which is one of the Left's favorite magazines.

oh, jesus h. christ on a popsicle stick, alterman didn't call for the liquidation of limbaugh and his fans (at least not in the part quoted-- i didn't read the actual article).... he said the country would be better off if they didn't exist (at least as citizens of this country, anyway). it's not the same thing, and i'm sure there are plenty of mainstream conservatives that feel the country would be better off without socialists.

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

And his views are not alone--Alec Baldwin fantasized publicly about stoning Henry Hyde's family to death, and was wildly cheered by a Democrat crowd.

i know not of what you speak here, and yes, that is appalling, if true. but it sounds not a whole lot different than some of the vitriol i've heard from ann coulter.

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Many "antiwar" demonstrators held signs saying "Bomb Bush."

now that's just plain stupid. and again, there's no shortage of stupidity on any side.

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

It is clear who wants to kill whom.

oh, yeah... it sure is "clear". you should be a lawyer.


TK

Alterman: "....I hate to say it, but I wish the guy
would have gone deaf."

Perhaps you are not aware, TrollKing:
Limbaugh was suddenly afflicted was
a rare hearing disorder, just prior to 9.11.2001
He literally went deaf. And for a man who
makes his living by listening etc..., this
was a mean blow, of which he handled
incredibly well I might add.

Limbaugh was very fortunate, as it yurned out.
Modern medical science offered a
slight (less than ten percent) chance
he could be fitted with copular implants
that restored hearing to that of a
bad AM radio.

Through it all, Limbaugh never complained,
never whined, and never missed a beat
(though this could have ruined his career).

The left, TrollKing, present themselves
as the ones who care, the compassionate
ones, and enlightened among us:
The ones that "feel your pain."

They are liars, TrollKing. They are mean and spiteful.
Liberal hate with a passion rarely seen since
the Civil War.

Even at this website, our favorite
treehugger, Eric Meece, posted that he hoped
it was I who was the "first to die" when the
environment went south (Because I had dared to
post an article by the founder of Greenpeace,
who came to some of the same conclusions
I had about mother earth and the hysterical unscientific
rantings of the left).

Additionally, you saw how Brian Rush called
me every name in the book, after I had alluded
to his appeasement on Iraq.

You say you're not a liberal, TrollKing, but you
sure do spend a lot of time defending these
folks... and their indefensible carrying on.

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

Perhaps you are not aware, TrollKing:
Limbaugh was suddenly afflicted was
a rare hearing disorder, just prior to 9.11.2001
He literally went deaf. And for a man who
makes his living by listening etc..., this
was a mean blow, of which he handled
incredibly well I might add.

no, i was aware of it. and yeah, wishing he would have stayed that way is appalling. but this was not the point i was refuting.

you had brought this whole alterman thing up to illustrate your claim that the left wanted to exterminate conservatives. wishing that a political rival (and his fans) didn't exist, or had never existed, is different from wanting to kill them, and is not unique to the left.

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

The left....are liars, TrollKing. They are mean and spiteful.
Liberal hate with a passion rarely seen since
the Civil War.

to paint everyone with the same brush like this is ridiculous, as it is to claim that hatred and spite are somehow particularly characteristic of one political stripe.

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

Even at this website, our favorite
treehugger, Eric Meece, posted that he hoped
it was I who was the "first to die" when the
environment went south....

Additionally, you saw how Brian Rush called
me every name in the book, after I had alluded
to his appeasement on Iraq.

and immediately i am reminded of threats that dominic made towards stonewall (though, in fairness, he did rescind them). and name-calling.... sh*t.... like that's not done on all sides ("coward", "traitor", etc.).

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

You say you're not a liberal, TrollKing, but you
sure do spend a lot of time defending these
folks... and their indefensible carrying on.

actually, no, i don't think i ever said it quite like that. i do believe that what i said that i tend to be center-left, yet lean hawkish on iraq. it all depends on the issue and its particulars for me.

as for "defending" them, it's just more fun arguing with conservatives.


TK

Originally Posted by TrollKing

and immediately i am reminded of
threats that dominic made
towards stonewall (though, in fairness,
he did rescind them).

Dominic, my man, you have proven yourself
to be a much bigger man than
all you detractors, here. Detractors who
are losing badly, and they know it. Hence this
very typical kind of pathetic display of
moral equivalency.

Be not dismayed therefore, and keep up
the fight. Like Justin, they come at you
hard: ignoring your youth and inexperience, they
attack as though you were as seasoned
a debater as Eric Meece and Brian Rush:
as vile and disgusting as Stonewall Patoon.
Be not offended, Dominic! It is the highest form
of flattery!

Save for how low they sink, and how
unapologetic they remain at all times
for their own unflattering behaviour and
incivility.

Keep the faith, young man, keep the faith. :wink:

Marc:

.Two

. . . . things: first, I, myself

. .am

. . .only

. . . . . 25 years old. So

.I . . suspect . . I'd
. . not be able

. .to

.take . . advantage of

. . . a fellow xr's

. . . . . youthful inexperience. second,


.what's

. . . . . with
. . . . the

. . . e.e.cummings-style

. posts?

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

Dominic, my man, you have proven yourself
to be a much bigger man than
all you detractors, here. Detractors who
are losing badly, and they know it. Hence this
very typical kind of pathetic display of
moral equivalency.

that's the best you can come up with? "detractors who are losing badly"? "this very typical kind of pathetic display of moral equivalency"?

that's rather sad. i would be disappointed, if this weren't so "very typical" of you.

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

Be not dismayed therefore, and keep up
the fight....Be not offended, Dominic! It is the highest form
of flattery!

yes, dominic, keep the faith, funk soul brother.

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

Save for how low they sink, and how
unapologetic they remain at all times
for their own unflattering behaviour and
incivility.

yes, as opposed to such civilized behavior as calling people "cowards" and "traitors", or threatening them with an ass-stomping. keep the faith, indeed.


TK

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

Dominic, my man, you have proven yourself to be a much bigger man than all you detractors, here. Detractors who are losing badly, and they know it. Hence this very typical kind of pathetic display of moral equivalency.

that's the best you can come up with? "detractors who are losing badly"? "this very typical kind of pathetic display of moral equivalency"?

that's rather sad. i would be disappointed, if this weren't so "very typical" of you. TK

Originally Posted by Brian Rush

Marc Lamb is a "liar" and "hypocrite."
is a "character assassin."
is a "contemptible con artist."
is "a thoroughly low and despicable excuse for a human being."
is a "shill and toad."
has earned the "contempt and odium of everyone on this forum."
is "a masochist."
"suffers from rectal cranial occlusion."
lacks "intellectual integrity."
should "Go crawl back under [his] rock." And finally,
"just leave" this website.[/list]

To compare anything Dominic has written in these threads to that of posted by Brian Rush, who never apologized for personal insults, is using the worst sort of pathetic "moral equivalency" standards. Especially given that Dominic is a mere teen and Brian Rush is forty-six years old.

Be it far from me to give anyone a pass, for what they post, in these threads, but if you'd like to make it a free-for-all, I'm ready, pal!

I found your shot at Dominic cheap and :evil:

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

Especially given that Dominic is a mere teen and Brian Rush is forty-six years old.

Um. Dom may come off puerile from time to time, but he's stated he was born in 1967. That makes him 35 years old.

http://fourthturning.com/forums/view...ghlight=#36889

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

Especially given that Dominic is a mere teen and Brian Rush is forty-six years old.

Um. Dom may come off puerile from time to time, but he's stated he was born in 1967. That makes him 35 years old.

http://fourthturning.com/forums/view...ghlight=#36889

Thank you for the link. I was under a different assumption based on a poster asking his age just last week. Obviously I was wrong.

And fair enough, even while Dominic's posts are always fair game (regardless of his age), his age means something, and I apologize for taking both you, Justin, and TrollKing to task for what I considered exceptionally brusque treatment of Dominic.

Nevertheless, I still maintain that TrollKing's attempt at "moral equivalency" on the issue of insults and such "ain't worth a warm bucket of spit."

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

Originally Posted by Brian Rush

Marc Lamb is a "liar" and "hypocrite."
is a "character assassin."
is a "contemptible con artist."
is "a thoroughly low and despicable excuse for a human being."
is a "shill and toad."
has earned the "contempt and odium of everyone on this forum."
is "a masochist."
"suffers from rectal cranial occlusion."
lacks "intellectual integrity."
should "Go crawl back under [his] rock." And finally,
"just leave" this website.[/list]

To compare anything Dominic has written in these threads to that of posted by Brian Rush, who never apologized for personal insults, is using the worst sort of pathetic "moral equivalency" standards.

so, you'd rather be called a "traitor", "coward", or "bitch" than a "liar", "hypocrite", "character assassin", etc.? how are those terms any more acceptable?

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

Especially given that Dominic is a mere teen....

is he? i thought he was older.....

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

Be it far from me to give anyone a pass, for what they post, in these threads, but if you'd like to make it a free-for-all, I'm ready, pal!

uh,..... yeah. is this a joke?

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

I found your shot at Dominic cheap and :evil:

cheap and what....? evil? you're saying i made an "evil" shot at dominic? like satan "evil", or just bill clinton "evil"? or are they "morally equivalent"?

and when? when i told him he should be a lawyer? that was "evil"?


TK

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

And fair enough, even while Dominic's posts are always fair game (regardless of his age), his age means something, and I apologize for taking both you, Justin, and TrollKing to task for what I considered exceptionally brusque treatment of Dominic.

no apology necessary (for me, anyway). i hardly feel taken to task at all. :wink:

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

Nevertheless, I still maintain that TrollKing's attempt at "moral equivalency" on the issue of insults and such "ain't worth a warm bucket of spit."

and you maintain so with no valid argument whatsoever. unless, of course, you count "because i said so" as a valid argument.


TK

so, you'd rather be called a "traitor", "coward", or "bitch" than a "liar", "hypocrite", "character assassin", etc.? how are those terms any more acceptable?

Like Rush's charges of "liar", "hypocrite", "character assassin," are cheap without any evidence of such, so your claims of Dominic calling people names, without quotes is just cheap and easy, TrollKing.

You drew Dominic into a debate over the "appalling" quotation of a major media figure wishing a man went deaf, for crying out loud. And you even noted that Dominic had apologized for whatever he said.

I can understand posters getting ticked off to the point of name-calling and swearing, we are living in some very tough times right now. But I can not understand intentional defamation of character, and cheap one line insults, and some of the other one-sided poison penmanship that passes for cute partisan posting in these threads.

You got evidence, post it! Otherwise keep your damn mouth and keyboard quite!

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

Like Rush's charges of "liar", "hypocrite", "character assassin," are cheap without any evidence of such, so your claims of Dominic calling people names, without quotes is just cheap and easy, TrollKing.

pot, kettle..... the "quote" you provided of brian calling you those names was actually a quote of a summary of said name-calling that you had previously posted.

why did you quote yourself, rather than dig for the originals? because it was easier, obviously. and rather than get wrapped up in picking nits over whether or not brian ever really said such things, i took you at your word. i trust that i can find these quotes if i really want to.

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

You drew Dominic into a debate over the "appalling" quotation of a major media figure wishing a man went deaf, for crying out loud.

dominic ventured into it on his own, marc. and in the post he responded with, he made no mention of the part relating to deafness. which is good, because it was the "better off without" thing that i was talking about.

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

And you even noted that Dominic had apologized for whatever he said.

yes, i did.

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

I can understand posters getting ticked off to the point of name-calling and swearing, we are living in some very tough times right now.

so can i. it happens all the time, on both/all sides.

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

But I can not understand intentional defamation of character, and cheap one line insults, and some of the other one-sided poison penmanship that passes for cute partisan posting in these threads.

"one-sided poison penmanship"?

tell me, which of the following assertions better fits that description?:

a: both sides are guilty of wishing ill on the other
b: liberals want to maim or liquidate conservatives

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

You got evidence, post it!

you want evidence, go find it. it's there for the reading.

or don't.

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

Otherwise keep your damn mouth and keyboard quite!

or maybe i should "go crawl back under [his] rock" and "just leave" this website"?


TK

Marc Lamb sez:

"I can understand posters getting ticked off to the point of name-calling and swearing, we are living in some very tough times right now"

Right On Marc.


Let's add the Head of the CIA saying (today) North Korea can shoot a nuclear missile over to the West Coast USA if they want to.

Thank God the long nightmare of Peace and Prosperity is over.

Woooooo WEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

Looks as if I've been missing an eyeful!

Should I come back and lose my sanity and peace for the time we have
left? I just can't decide.

My family prayed over a young man who is now in Turkey. Sent him off
with a great steak dinner in his belly. He no longer has a daily peace as I
do. And I fear if I return I will be in just as much turmoil as he.
What a dilemma. :wink:

Comment from the Administration about Tenet's statement ....North Korea's nuclear missiles are capable of hitting Western US coast.

"White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said he was unfamiliar with the testimony but said: "Technology and time means regimes like North Korea will increasingly have the ability to strike at the United States."

He said that is why President Bush supports building an anti-missile shield"

Originally Posted by TrollKing

the "quote" you provided of brian calling you those names was actually a quote of a summary of said name-calling that you had previously posted.

why did you quote yourself, rather than dig for the originals? because it was easier, obviously. and rather than get wrapped up in picking nits over whether or not brian ever really said such things, i took you at your word. i trust that i can find these quotes if i really want to.

I had edited the quotes for the sake of space and clarity. Here is the exact quote:

Originally Posted by Brian D. Rush

Now you will hear from Mr. Rush on non-appeasement, specifically non-appeasement of you, Mr. Lamb.

You are a liar and a hypocrite. You are a character assassin, a contemptible con artist, and a thoroughly low and despicable excuse for a human being.

I will not do you the courtesy I have done you in the past, and answer your last post as if you were making any sense, which, of course, again you did not, because you choose to lead off with a personal insult.

Go crawl back under your rock, Marc. Nobody here respects you. Nobody here thinks you are anything other than the shill and toad that you manifestly are, that you prove yourself to be with every other word.

You are only digging your grave deeper, and further earning the contempt and odium of everyone on this forum. Why continue wasting your time and ours? Are you such a masochist as that?

Leave the defense of conservative viewpoints to those who are capable of doing it, Marc. Leave it to those with enough intellectual integrity to at least merit respect as individuals, if not agreement.

In fact, just leave. You'll be doing yourself a favor as much as the rest of us.

(Now watch the jackass accuse me of trying to censor conservative views or the views of anyone who disagrees with me. He's done that before. But it won't work, Marc. This isn't political but personal. It's not your views I despise. It's just you, personally.)

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Marc S. Lamb

You got evidence, post it!

you want evidence, go find it. it's there for the reading. or don't.

I have to admit, TrollKing, I was very surprised when you got away with calling Ms. Jenny Genser, "that jew bitch." She must've missed that one, but I didn't. :wink: