Originally Posted by SJ

A friend of mine from high school who is a physician in Cincinnati recently told me that some child psychologists did a study of nightmares in children. By chance someone noticed that - and I know how this sounds! - there was a huge increase in the number of troubling nightmares that involved a disaster. This increase occurred in the weeks before 9/11!

He could not recall exactly who had done this study, but claimed it was legitimate. To me - a scientific skeptic - it sounds like an Internet or urban myth.

But I will wonder out loud if the increase in society's Angst is being mirrored in children's dreams these days. Question: those of you with smaller children, or contacts thereto, have you noticed anything along these lines?

Do the more mystical among you believe that the ultimate 4T crisis could be "predicted" by examining children's dreams, as my doctor-friend seems to imply?

This jogs a memory from around the 9-11 time, and I think there was all sorts of claims about how somebody had predicted the attack. There was the typical Nostradamus claim, but that was a hoax of course.

Some of my friends say their grandkids haven't been sleeping too well in past days, but that could be because they're more aware of the news maybe. I don't believe in prophectic dreams either, but who knows what might be going on?

I don't have kids or prophetic dreams, but I have been wondering if I am the only one who wakes up in "the deep watches of the night" and lies awake worrying about the future. Did it last night, 2 to 4 a.m., and absolutely hate it. Prayed "please God, let me go back to sleep" but it took a long long time before I checked out again.

Originally Posted by alan

I don't have kids or prophetic dreams, but I have been wondering if I am the only one who wakes up in "the deep watches of the night" and lies awake worrying about the future. Did it last night, 2 to 4 a.m., and absolutely hate it. Prayed "please God, let me go back to sleep" but it took a long long time before I checked out again.

I did a lot of last year, but my economic situation had a lot to do with that (laid off in February, didn't get a new permanent job until November).

I'm starting to again now, just the past week or two - Orange Alert might have something to do with that. My mother (b. 1947), who has been worn down the past few years from helping to bury both her parents (1924-1998 and 1927-2002) has now reached the point where she can't read or watch the news. The fact that my youngest brother (b. 1983) is now at the top of the (presently hypothetical) draft list doesn't help.

My father (b. 1948) was going to give The Bush Dyslexicon to his stepmother (b. 1926) for her birthday, but decided her blood pressure is too high as it is. He reports that my grandfather (b. 1920, my last living GI ancestor) had to take the State of the Union address in small doses.

Originally Posted by Styx

Every night I say a prayer,
In the hope that there's a heaven,
And every day I'm more confused,
As the saints turn into sinners.
All the heroes and legends I knew as a child
Have fallen to idols of clay,
And I feel this empty place inside,
So afraid that I've lost my faith.
Show me the way! Show me the way,
Take me tonight to the river,
And wash my illusions away.
Please show me the way . . .

And as I slowly drift to sleep,
For a moment dreams are sacred.
I close my eyes, and know there's peace
In a world so filled with hatred,
That I wake up each morning, and turn on the news,
And find we've so far to go.
And I keep on hoping for a sign,
So afraid that I just won't know.
Show me the way! Show me the way,
Bring me tonight to the mountain,
And take my confusion away.
Please show me the way . . .

And if I see a light, should I believe?
Tell me how will I know?
Show me the way! Show me the way,
Take me tonight to the river
And wash my illusions away.
Show me the way, show me they way
Give me the strength and the courage,
To believe that I'll get there someday.
And please show me the way!

Every night I say a prayer,
In the hope that there's a heaven.

Originally Posted by John Taber 1972

Originally Posted by alan

I don't have kids or prophetic dreams, but I have been wondering if I am the only one who wakes up in "the deep watches of the night" and lies awake worrying about the future. Did it last night, 2 to 4 a.m., and absolutely hate it. Prayed "please God, let me go back to sleep" but it took a long long time before I checked out again.

I did a lot of last year, but my economic situation had a lot to do with that (laid off in February, didn't get a new permanent job until November).

I'm starting to again now, just the past week or two - Orange Alert might have something to do with that. My mother (b. 1947), who has been worn down the past few years from helping to bury both her parents (1924-1998 and 1927-2002) has now reached the point where she can't read or watch the news. The fact that my youngest brother (b. 1983) is now at the top of the (presently hypothetical) draft list doesn't help.

My father (b. 1948) was going to give The Bush Dyslexicon to his stepmother (b. 1926) for her birthday, but decided her blood pressure is too high as it is. He reports that my grandfather (b. 1920, my last living GI ancestor) had to take the State of the Union address in small doses.

Originally Posted by Styx

Every night I say a prayer,
In the hope that there's a heaven,
And every day I'm more confused,
As the saints turn into sinners.
All the heroes and legends I knew as a child
Have fallen to idols of clay,
And I feel this empty place inside,
So afraid that I've lost my faith.
Show me the way! Show me the way,
Take me tonight to the river,
And wash my illusions away.
Please show me the way . . .

And as I slowly drift to sleep,
For a moment dreams are sacred.
I close my eyes, and know there's peace
In a world so filled with hatred,
That I wake up each morning, and turn on the news,
And find we've so far to go.
And I keep on hoping for a sign,
So afraid that I just won't know.
Show me the way! Show me the way,
Bring me tonight to the mountain,
And take my confusion away.
Please show me the way . . .

And if I see a light, should I believe?
Tell me how will I know?
Show me the way! Show me the way,
Take me tonight to the river
And wash my illusions away.
Show me the way, show me they way
Give me the strength and the courage,
To believe that I'll get there someday.
And please show me the way!

Every night I say a prayer,
In the hope that there's a heaven.

Sorry, John John: you can be the idealist who longs for a bright future, or you can be the snide one who sneers, "Isn't Bush stupid?" over some stupid book. But the two don't mix.

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Sorry, John John: you can be the idealist who longs for a bright future, or you can be the snide one who sneers, "Isn't Bush stupid?" over some stupid book. But the two don't mix.

why not?


TK

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Sorry, John John: you can be the idealist who longs for a bright future, or you can be the snide one who sneers, "Isn't Bush stupid?" over some stupid book. But the two don't mix.

why not?


TK

I suppose he can mix them if he wants. But it's hard to take him seriously as a victim when he's running around singing, "Neener, neener, neener! Yooooour'e stupid!"

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Sorry, John John: you can be the idealist who longs for a bright future, or you can be the snide one who sneers, "Isn't Bush stupid?" over some stupid book. But the two don't mix.

why not?


TK

I suppose he can mix them if he wants. But it's hard to take him seriously as a victim when he's running around singing, "Neener, neener, neener! Yooooour'e stupid!"

No, I'm just legitimately concerned about who's supposed to be running this country and the direction he's taking it.

And at least I post using my real name.

94% prefer Bush to Clinton!

http://mediaresearch.freepolls.com/c...ollresults/197

OK, so it's a biased poll at a biased site. But SP loves to pull this trick all the time, so why can't I?

Originally Posted by John Taber 1972

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Sorry, John John: you can be the idealist who longs for a bright future, or you can be the snide one who sneers, "Isn't Bush stupid?" over some stupid book. But the two don't mix.

why not?


TK

I suppose he can mix them if he wants. But it's hard to take him seriously as a victim when he's running around singing, "Neener, neener, neener! Yooooour'e stupid!"

No, I'm just legitimately concerned about who's supposed to be running this country and the direction he's taking it.

And at least I post using my real name.

Getting back to my original point:

But it's hard to take him seriously as a victim when he's running around singing, "Neener, neener, neener! Yooooour'e stupid!"

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Originally Posted by John Taber 1972

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Sorry, John John: you can be the idealist who longs for a bright future, or you can be the snide one who sneers, "Isn't Bush stupid?" over some stupid book. But the two don't mix.

why not?


TK

I suppose he can mix them if he wants. But it's hard to take him seriously as a victim when he's running around singing, "Neener, neener, neener! Yooooour'e stupid!"

No, I'm just legitimately concerned about who's supposed to be running this country and the direction he's taking it.

And at least I post using my real name.

Getting back to my original point:

But it's hard to take him seriously as a victim when he's running around singing, "Neener, neener, neener! Yooooour'e stupid!"

Do YOU have anything constructive to say here? Or do you simply think I'm a lower lifeform for having never put on a uniform and having ever voted for a Democrat?

Originally Posted by John Taber 1972

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Originally Posted by John Taber 1972

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Sorry, John John: you can be the idealist who longs for a bright future, or you can be the snide one who sneers, "Isn't Bush stupid?" over some stupid book. But the two don't mix.

why not?


TK

I suppose he can mix them if he wants. But it's hard to take him seriously as a victim when he's running around singing, "Neener, neener, neener! Yooooour'e stupid!"

No, I'm just legitimately concerned about who's supposed to be running this country and the direction he's taking it.

And at least I post using my real name.

Getting back to my original point:

But it's hard to take him seriously as a victim when he's running around singing, "Neener, neener, neener! Yooooour'e stupid!"

Do YOU have anything constructive to say here? Or do you simply think I'm a lower lifeform for having never put on a uniform and having ever voted for a Democrat?

Let's look at it this way. I happen to like this president, but, even more, I am deeply embittered at the attack on our nation by the terror network. We can disagree on the details of how to attack said network; hell, if you want, oppose any response whatever. However, when you mock our President--who is perfect neither as a man nor as a President, but who is at least trying to get our country out of a bad situation--it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, because I--and millions of others like myself--see it as a mocking of our patriotic views. As a matter of fact, mocking the GOP is really the only weapon your side has any more. Do you really think people opposed impeachment of Clinton because of those long boring tirades by Alan Dershowitz and Geraldo Rivera? No, it was because the anti-American, pro-Clinton Hollywood Left repeatedly chanted, "Linda Tripp is ugly, Linda Tripp is ugly, Linda Tripp is ugly," and "Republicans can't get laid, Republicans can't get laid, Republicans can't get laid." (They tried later on pulling the same trick by chanting "Katherine Harris has no fashion sense," but it flopped when people started legitimately asking what kind of men gave a damn about women's fashion sense. :wink:

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Originally Posted by John Taber 1972

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Originally Posted by John Taber 1972

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Sorry, John John: you can be the idealist who longs for a bright future, or you can be the snide one who sneers, "Isn't Bush stupid?" over some stupid book. But the two don't mix.

why not?


TK

I suppose he can mix them if he wants. But it's hard to take him seriously as a victim when he's running around singing, "Neener, neener, neener! Yooooour'e stupid!"

No, I'm just legitimately concerned about who's supposed to be running this country and the direction he's taking it.

And at least I post using my real name.

Getting back to my original point:

But it's hard to take him seriously as a victim when he's running around singing, "Neener, neener, neener! Yooooour'e stupid!"

Do YOU have anything constructive to say here? Or do you simply think I'm a lower lifeform for having never put on a uniform and having ever voted for a Democrat?

Let's look at it this way. I happen to like this president, but, even more, I am deeply embittered at the attack on our nation by the terror network. We can disagree on the details of how to attack said network; hell, if you want, oppose any response whatever. However, when you mock our President--who is perfect neither as a man nor as a President, but who is at least trying to get our country out of a bad situation--it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, because I--and millions of others like myself--see it as a mocking of our patriotic views. As a matter of fact, mocking the GOP is really the only weapon your side has any more. Do you really think people opposed impeachment of Clinton because of those long boring tirades by Alan Dershowitz and Geraldo Rivera? No, it was because the anti-American, pro-Clinton Hollywood Left repeatedly chanted, "Linda Tripp is ugly, Linda Tripp is ugly, Linda Tripp is ugly," and "Republicans can't get laid, Republicans can't get laid, Republicans can't get laid." (They tried later on pulling the same trick by chanting "Katherine Harris has no fashion sense," but it flopped when people started legitimately asking what kind of men gave a damn about women's fashion sense. :wink:

Well, Linda Tripp *IS* ugly :-)... but that's besides the point - I, for one, opposed impeachment because I thought that even the charges of perjury (to whatever extent he technically was lying), while slimy and dishonest, were not nearly enough to warrant impeachment as they did not affect the way he did his job (The republican lawsuits, on the other hand...)

Originally Posted by Glass Joe

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Originally Posted by John Taber 1972

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Originally Posted by John Taber 1972

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Sorry, John John: you can be the idealist who longs for a bright future, or you can be the snide one who sneers, "Isn't Bush stupid?" over some stupid book. But the two don't mix.

why not?


TK

I suppose he can mix them if he wants. But it's hard to take him seriously as a victim when he's running around singing, "Neener, neener, neener! Yooooour'e stupid!"

No, I'm just legitimately concerned about who's supposed to be running this country and the direction he's taking it.

And at least I post using my real name.

Getting back to my original point:

But it's hard to take him seriously as a victim when he's running around singing, "Neener, neener, neener! Yooooour'e stupid!"

Do YOU have anything constructive to say here? Or do you simply think I'm a lower lifeform for having never put on a uniform and having ever voted for a Democrat?

Let's look at it this way. I happen to like this president, but, even more, I am deeply embittered at the attack on our nation by the terror network. We can disagree on the details of how to attack said network; hell, if you want, oppose any response whatever. However, when you mock our President--who is perfect neither as a man nor as a President, but who is at least trying to get our country out of a bad situation--it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, because I--and millions of others like myself--see it as a mocking of our patriotic views. As a matter of fact, mocking the GOP is really the only weapon your side has any more. Do you really think people opposed impeachment of Clinton because of those long boring tirades by Alan Dershowitz and Geraldo Rivera? No, it was because the anti-American, pro-Clinton Hollywood Left repeatedly chanted, "Linda Tripp is ugly, Linda Tripp is ugly, Linda Tripp is ugly," and "Republicans can't get laid, Republicans can't get laid, Republicans can't get laid." (They tried later on pulling the same trick by chanting "Katherine Harris has no fashion sense," but it flopped when people started legitimately asking what kind of men gave a damn about women's fashion sense. :wink:

Well, Linda Tripp *IS* ugly :-)... but that's besides the point - I, for one, opposed impeachment because I thought that even the charges of perjury (to whatever extent he technically was lying), while slimy and dishonest, were not nearly enough to warrant impeachment as they did not affect the way he did his job (The republican lawsuits, on the other hand...)

What about them? Finish the sentence.

This is the country that wants to bring Ariel Sharon to trial.

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Originally Posted by Glass Joe

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Originally Posted by John Taber 1972

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Originally Posted by John Taber 1972

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Sorry, John John: you can be the idealist who longs for a bright future, or you can be the snide one who sneers, "Isn't Bush stupid?" over some stupid book. But the two don't mix.

why not?


TK

I suppose he can mix them if he wants. But it's hard to take him seriously as a victim when he's running around singing, "Neener, neener, neener! Yooooour'e stupid!"

No, I'm just legitimately concerned about who's supposed to be running this country and the direction he's taking it.

And at least I post using my real name.

Getting back to my original point:

But it's hard to take him seriously as a victim when he's running around singing, "Neener, neener, neener! Yooooour'e stupid!"

Do YOU have anything constructive to say here? Or do you simply think I'm a lower lifeform for having never put on a uniform and having ever voted for a Democrat?

Let's look at it this way. I happen to like this president, but, even more, I am deeply embittered at the attack on our nation by the terror network. We can disagree on the details of how to attack said network; hell, if you want, oppose any response whatever. However, when you mock our President--who is perfect neither as a man nor as a President, but who is at least trying to get our country out of a bad situation--it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, because I--and millions of others like myself--see it as a mocking of our patriotic views. As a matter of fact, mocking the GOP is really the only weapon your side has any more. Do you really think people opposed impeachment of Clinton because of those long boring tirades by Alan Dershowitz and Geraldo Rivera? No, it was because the anti-American, pro-Clinton Hollywood Left repeatedly chanted, "Linda Tripp is ugly, Linda Tripp is ugly, Linda Tripp is ugly," and "Republicans can't get laid, Republicans can't get laid, Republicans can't get laid." (They tried later on pulling the same trick by chanting "Katherine Harris has no fashion sense," but it flopped when people started legitimately asking what kind of men gave a damn about women's fashion sense. :wink:

Well, Linda Tripp *IS* ugly :-)... but that's besides the point - I, for one, opposed impeachment because I thought that even the charges of perjury (to whatever extent he technically was lying), while slimy and dishonest, were not nearly enough to warrant impeachment as they did not affect the way he did his job (The republican lawsuits, on the other hand...)

What about them? Finish the sentence.

Do I have to belabor the obvious for you? The complete sentence is as follows, with the new stuff in bold:

The republican lawsuits, on the other hand, affected the way Clinton did his job as he and his team was forced to spend time defending himself in front of the House and Senate that he should have been able to spend serving his country.

Originally Posted by alan

I don't have kids or prophetic dreams, but I have been wondering if I am the only one who wakes up in "the deep watches of the night" and lies awake worrying about the future. Did it last night, 2 to 4 a.m., and absolutely hate it. Prayed "please God, let me go back to sleep" but it took a long long time before I checked out again.

My son (b. '93) also sleeps like a log and my daughter (b. 85) sleeps late when she can--typical teenager. Neither have said much about dreams that relate to the troubles in the world. However, they both have expressed concerns about what is going on in the world in different ways.
My daughter has discussed her worries about the draft, her concerns about her cousin ('81--101st airborne), and her thoughts about our civil liberties and the new age of American empire. My son's concerns come out as questions like: What happens in a war, mommy? What does evil mean? Why do terrrorists want to hurt us? What is an orange alert--is that like on Star Trek?

My husband and I, on the other hand, have found ourselves dreaming many anxiety dreams and war dreams in the past few months. I dreamed recently about Danny Pearl, :cry: about nuclear wars, about starving in Korea--those kinds of dreams. My husband dreamed the other night about starting a magazine for soldiers--it was actually kind of humorous. Both of us have found ourselves awake at three am talking about our anxiety of what will happen next.

We did both wake up suddenly on the morning of the Space Shuttle Columbia accident and at the time (to the minute) that Columbia would have been transversing the Sandias, where our house is located. We had no idea what was going on until about 30 minutes later, though.

I think we are all feeling the uncertainty and anxiety of these times. We have not reached regeneracy in this Crisis yet, so we do not yet have that sense of purpose and grim determination that come with it. Rather, we know that the '90's are over and they are not coming back and we have no idea at all what is coming next.

Originally Posted by alan

I don't have kids or prophetic dreams, but I have been wondering if I am the only one who wakes up in "the deep watches of the night" and lies awake worrying about the future. Did it last night, 2 to 4 a.m., and absolutely hate it. Prayed "please God, let me go back to sleep" but it took a long long time before I checked out again.

I have been having trouble staying asleep all week. I have been waking up around every 90 minutes or so, and this morning when the alarm went off, I flew out of bed like a crazy woman.

My husband told me today that my son reported to him that he is not sleeping well either and is having bad dreams. My son has always been very much in tune with my moods, so maybe he was just sensing my own distress.

When my daughter is upset or worried about the world, she watches a lot of TV news. I cut this off whenever it gets to be too much. I think she internalizes a lot of what is going on. She hasn't reported any bad dreams to me yet.

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Let's look at it this way. I happen to like this president, but, even more, I am deeply embittered at the attack on our nation by the terror network. We can disagree on the details of how to attack said network; hell, if you want, oppose any response whatever. However, when you mock our President--who is perfect neither as a man nor as a President, but who is at least trying to get our country out of a bad situation--it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, because I--and millions of others like myself--see it as a mocking of our patriotic views.

this begs the question: if gore were president, or if this had happened on clinton's watch, all else being equal (at least regarding the iraq/WOT thing), would you react with the same venom to the mocking?



TK

Originally Posted by TrollKing

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

Let's look at it this way. I happen to like this president, but, even more, I am deeply embittered at the attack on our nation by the terror network. We can disagree on the details of how to attack said network; hell, if you want, oppose any response whatever. However, when you mock our President--who is perfect neither as a man nor as a President, but who is at least trying to get our country out of a bad situation--it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, because I--and millions of others like myself--see it as a mocking of our patriotic views.

this begs the question: if gore were president, or if this had happened on clinton's watch, all else being equal (at least regarding the iraq/WOT thing), would you react with the same venom to the mocking?



TK

I know this seems like a slam-dunk to you, but the answer is: I'm not sure. In truth, my mind was very much focused by 9/11. Even before that, I was getting rather sickened by the Libertarian Enterprise, and, if I'm not mistaken, antiwar.com, attacking Clinton by urging our troops in Kosovo to desert. I hated Clinton, too, but that was truly sickening. I won't deny, though, that it makes it much easier on my mind now that both of them are on the same side.

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

I know this seems like a slam-dunk to you,

i don't know what you mean by that, exactly....

Originally Posted by Dominic Flandry

but the answer is: I'm not sure. In truth, my mind was very much focused by 9/11. Even before that, I was getting rather sickened by the Libertarian Enterprise, and, if I'm not mistaken, antiwar.com, attacking Clinton by urging our troops in Kosovo to desert. I hated Clinton, too, but that was truly sickening. I won't deny, though, that it makes it much easier on my mind now that both of them are on the same side.

thanks for your honest answer.

from my angle, i haven't been bothered by any politician-mocking. i have yet to find one that really, truly like, so i guess that's the way it goes.....


TK

My husband and I both have been having those wake-up-at -least -three times -a -night sleep disturbances. Vivid Nightmares also. We turn our tv on to C-Span policy discussions...NO WAR talk. That sometimes bores us to sleep.

I'm beginning to wonder when we Americans are going to suit up in opposing Blue and Gray uniforms. People in real life are just as disagreeable about everything as the folks here at T4T.

NIGHTMARE or MARE: The demon or mare alleged to cause bad dreams. The dream itself is called a nightmare.

MARE: The supposed demon which, during the night, sits on the chest and causes feelings of suffocation and choking. Causing a feeling of being paralyzed and that the weight is crushing the breath out of a person.

Originally Posted by justmom

NIGHTMARE or MARE: The demon or mare alleged to cause bad dreams. The dream itself is called a nightmare.

MARE: The supposed demon which, during the night, sits on the chest and causes feelings of suffocation and choking. Causing a feeling of being paralyzed and that the weight is crushing the breath out of a person.

Oh...I call that thing my cat. :lol: I just push her off and roll over.

Originally Posted by Sanford

Originally Posted by Tristan Jones

The amount of attention this scandal involding Winona Ryder in the media is a 3T sign, a rather weak one at that.

Actually, I almost posted about how LITTLE attention it was getting as a 4T sign, because I've heard nothing about it in broadcast media (radio, TV, cable), and only know its going on at all because of Drudge. (Drudge's content is skewed towards celebrity and entertainment news, among other things.)

But I didn't post, because it makes sense that it is getting less attention than, say, the OJ murder trial. After all, it's not a murder case.

So, if it's a sign either way, it is a weak one, as you say.

You really didn't hear about it outside the Drudge Report? That's really surprising, since I've heard a few different pieces about it on the radio and even a bit at school. We even talked about it in class once. I wasn't that interested personally, but it seems like EVERYONE knew! I don't even read Matt Drudge and she still seemed to be the celebrity covering of the moment. In fact, I almost thought, "This is obsession with celebrities at work, just like S&H say happens in a 3T", but the book and theory didn't come to my mind at the time, just some thoughts about how there's always one celebrity who gets harped on at the media at any given moment in this day and age, for a crime or a makeover or a tragic death, or perhaps an idiotic statement they made.

It's interesting because I'm not a current events junkie the way a lot of people on www.fourthturning.com are, and I still picked up on news radio stories, a newsstand headline or two, references to the arrest in chatrooms and even a break from the election coverage when she was on trial. It seems there are so many people on this board who read up on every little event, and a lot of people here seem to know every little fact about how nuclear and biological weapons work and which countries are allied with which and how all the senators and Congressmen and -women voted. They keep up with every latest UN move (not just the ones that make 30-point headlines). That's more than I can say for myself. I thought that if I was hearing at least a couple of the developments in Winona's trial, my "sitemates" here would have to be hearing everything!

Originally Posted by Glass Joe

Do I have to belabor the obvious for you? The complete sentence is as follows, with the new stuff in bold:

The republican lawsuits, on the other hand, affected the way Clinton did his job as he and his team was forced to spend time defending himself in front of the House and Senate that he should have been able to spend serving his country.

The only trouble is that Bill Clinton had no interest in serving anyone but himself. He demonstrated this over and over.