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Post#6876 at 05-19-2003 03:53 PM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
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Quote Originally Posted by Evan Anderson
I have since added a paragraph addressing that.
Wow. And you caught me via quoting before I had a chance to correct my typos and phraseing. Now everyone will know my inadequacies!!! :cry:







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Quote Originally Posted by Evan Anderson
I have since added a paragraph addressing that.
Wow. And you caught me via quoting before I had a chance to correct my typos and phraseing. Now everyone will know my inadequacies!!! :cry:







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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77
Quote Originally Posted by Evan Anderson
I have since added a paragraph addressing that.
Wow. And you caught me via quoting before I had a chance to correct my typos and phraseing. Now everyone will know my inadequacies!!! :cry:
(Claim it was your modem's fault. Or your ISP's. Or maybe monitoring from the NSA has slowed your bandwidth...)







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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77
Quote Originally Posted by Evan Anderson
I have since added a paragraph addressing that.
Wow. And you caught me via quoting before I had a chance to correct my typos and phraseing. Now everyone will know my inadequacies!!! :cry:
(Claim it was your modem's fault. Or your ISP's. Or maybe monitoring from the NSA has slowed your bandwidth...)







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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77
Quote Originally Posted by Evan Anderson
I have since added a paragraph addressing that.
Wow. And you caught me via quoting before I had a chance to correct my typos and phraseing. Now everyone will know my inadequacies!!! :cry:
(Claim it was your modem's fault. Or your ISP's. Or maybe monitoring from the NSA has slowed your bandwidth...)







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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77
Quote Originally Posted by Evan Anderson
I have since added a paragraph addressing that.
Wow. And you caught me via quoting before I had a chance to correct my typos and phraseing. Now everyone will know my inadequacies!!! :cry:
(Claim it was your modem's fault. Or your ISP's. Or maybe monitoring from the NSA has slowed your bandwidth...)







Post#6882 at 05-19-2003 03:57 PM by Justin '77 [at Meh. joined Sep 2001 #posts 12,182]
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And why not just let each voter select the precinct they'd like to be in? Representation is supposed to be proportional (by population), and for entities like state and federal legislatures, it wouldn't really matter where a voter lived, so long as his vote counted counted as much towards the selection of someone to represent him as did his neighbor's. If gerrymandering is inevitable (which, I'd argue, is going to be the case even if automated to the maximum possible extent), why fight it?







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And why not just let each voter select the precinct they'd like to be in? Representation is supposed to be proportional (by population), and for entities like state and federal legislatures, it wouldn't really matter where a voter lived, so long as his vote counted counted as much towards the selection of someone to represent him as did his neighbor's. If gerrymandering is inevitable (which, I'd argue, is going to be the case even if automated to the maximum possible extent), why fight it?







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And why not just let each voter select the precinct they'd like to be in? Representation is supposed to be proportional (by population), and for entities like state and federal legislatures, it wouldn't really matter where a voter lived, so long as his vote counted counted as much towards the selection of someone to represent him as did his neighbor's. If gerrymandering is inevitable (which, I'd argue, is going to be the case even if automated to the maximum possible extent), why fight it?







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And why not just let each voter select the precinct they'd like to be in? Representation is supposed to be proportional (by population), and for entities like state and federal legislatures, it wouldn't really matter where a voter lived, so long as his vote counted counted as much towards the selection of someone to represent him as did his neighbor's. If gerrymandering is inevitable (which, I'd argue, is going to be the case even if automated to the maximum possible extent), why fight it?







Post#6886 at 05-20-2003 01:22 PM by The Wonkette [at Arlington, VA 1956 joined Jul 2002 #posts 9,209]
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Don't know if this is a sign of 4T but it is a sign of the new jittery zeitgist.

Each summer in the DC area (and probably other urban areas), if air pollution is particularly bad (typically on a very hot, humid day), EPA will issue a "red alert" discouraging people from going outside and our Metrobus will take riders for free.

Well, summer is fast approaching, and our Homeland Security guys and law enforcement personnel are worried about the reaction of a jittery public on the next "red alert" day. Will we have panic in the streets the next time it hits 95 degrees? :o

Of course, the way this Spring weather has been, I'll be surprised if we ever hit 80 degrees!
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008







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Don't know if this is a sign of 4T but it is a sign of the new jittery zeitgist.

Each summer in the DC area (and probably other urban areas), if air pollution is particularly bad (typically on a very hot, humid day), EPA will issue a "red alert" discouraging people from going outside and our Metrobus will take riders for free.

Well, summer is fast approaching, and our Homeland Security guys and law enforcement personnel are worried about the reaction of a jittery public on the next "red alert" day. Will we have panic in the streets the next time it hits 95 degrees? :o

Of course, the way this Spring weather has been, I'll be surprised if we ever hit 80 degrees!
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008







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Don't know if this is a sign of 4T but it is a sign of the new jittery zeitgist.

Each summer in the DC area (and probably other urban areas), if air pollution is particularly bad (typically on a very hot, humid day), EPA will issue a "red alert" discouraging people from going outside and our Metrobus will take riders for free.

Well, summer is fast approaching, and our Homeland Security guys and law enforcement personnel are worried about the reaction of a jittery public on the next "red alert" day. Will we have panic in the streets the next time it hits 95 degrees? :o

Of course, the way this Spring weather has been, I'll be surprised if we ever hit 80 degrees!
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008







Post#6889 at 05-20-2003 01:22 PM by The Wonkette [at Arlington, VA 1956 joined Jul 2002 #posts 9,209]
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Don't know if this is a sign of 4T but it is a sign of the new jittery zeitgist.

Each summer in the DC area (and probably other urban areas), if air pollution is particularly bad (typically on a very hot, humid day), EPA will issue a "red alert" discouraging people from going outside and our Metrobus will take riders for free.

Well, summer is fast approaching, and our Homeland Security guys and law enforcement personnel are worried about the reaction of a jittery public on the next "red alert" day. Will we have panic in the streets the next time it hits 95 degrees? :o

Of course, the way this Spring weather has been, I'll be surprised if we ever hit 80 degrees!
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008







Post#6890 at 05-20-2003 02:01 PM by elilevin [at Red Hill, New Mexico joined Jan 2002 #posts 452]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Wonk
Well, summer is fast approaching, and our Homeland Security guys and law enforcement personnel are worried about the reaction of a jittery public on the next "red alert" day. Will we have panic in the streets the next time it hits 95 degrees? :o

Of course, the way this Spring weather has been, I'll be surprised if we ever hit 80 degrees!
Whoa!! I'll bet they never thought of that when they invented the 5 step color code over at Homeland Security.

In ABQ we have color-drop days to tell us if we can water or not. If conditions are good for watering your plants outdoors, we have a "green-drop" day. If it gets breezy, we have "yellow drop" day and if the wind is at gale force we have a "red-drop" day. Yesterday afternoon and evening we had 50 mph canyon winds with gusts up to 70 mph. So it was "red-drop" day--no watering. There was no panic in the streets--but maybe that's because we all needed both hands to hang on. :lol:
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but neither are we free to desist from it."
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Quote Originally Posted by The Wonk
Well, summer is fast approaching, and our Homeland Security guys and law enforcement personnel are worried about the reaction of a jittery public on the next "red alert" day. Will we have panic in the streets the next time it hits 95 degrees? :o

Of course, the way this Spring weather has been, I'll be surprised if we ever hit 80 degrees!
Whoa!! I'll bet they never thought of that when they invented the 5 step color code over at Homeland Security.

In ABQ we have color-drop days to tell us if we can water or not. If conditions are good for watering your plants outdoors, we have a "green-drop" day. If it gets breezy, we have "yellow drop" day and if the wind is at gale force we have a "red-drop" day. Yesterday afternoon and evening we had 50 mph canyon winds with gusts up to 70 mph. So it was "red-drop" day--no watering. There was no panic in the streets--but maybe that's because we all needed both hands to hang on. :lol:
Elisheva Levin

"It is not up to us to complete the task,
but neither are we free to desist from it."
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Quote Originally Posted by The Wonk
Well, summer is fast approaching, and our Homeland Security guys and law enforcement personnel are worried about the reaction of a jittery public on the next "red alert" day. Will we have panic in the streets the next time it hits 95 degrees? :o

Of course, the way this Spring weather has been, I'll be surprised if we ever hit 80 degrees!
Whoa!! I'll bet they never thought of that when they invented the 5 step color code over at Homeland Security.

In ABQ we have color-drop days to tell us if we can water or not. If conditions are good for watering your plants outdoors, we have a "green-drop" day. If it gets breezy, we have "yellow drop" day and if the wind is at gale force we have a "red-drop" day. Yesterday afternoon and evening we had 50 mph canyon winds with gusts up to 70 mph. So it was "red-drop" day--no watering. There was no panic in the streets--but maybe that's because we all needed both hands to hang on. :lol:
Elisheva Levin

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but neither are we free to desist from it."
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Quote Originally Posted by The Wonk
Well, summer is fast approaching, and our Homeland Security guys and law enforcement personnel are worried about the reaction of a jittery public on the next "red alert" day. Will we have panic in the streets the next time it hits 95 degrees? :o

Of course, the way this Spring weather has been, I'll be surprised if we ever hit 80 degrees!
Whoa!! I'll bet they never thought of that when they invented the 5 step color code over at Homeland Security.

In ABQ we have color-drop days to tell us if we can water or not. If conditions are good for watering your plants outdoors, we have a "green-drop" day. If it gets breezy, we have "yellow drop" day and if the wind is at gale force we have a "red-drop" day. Yesterday afternoon and evening we had 50 mph canyon winds with gusts up to 70 mph. So it was "red-drop" day--no watering. There was no panic in the streets--but maybe that's because we all needed both hands to hang on. :lol:
Elisheva Levin

"It is not up to us to complete the task,
but neither are we free to desist from it."
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Post#6894 at 05-20-2003 02:37 PM by Vince Lamb '59 [at Irish Hills, Michigan joined Jun 2001 #posts 1,997]
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One of the signs of a 3T-4T transition is supposed to be a cleaning up of the culture. Does what this article describes qualify?

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http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?31635

Study Finds Less Sex on Network TV
Tue, May 20, 2003 01:18 PM PDT






LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - Sexual content on prime-time network television has decreased over the past four years, according to a study by an TV-industry watchdog.

The survey by the Parents Television Council, a group that aims to reduce sex and violence on TV and make programming more "family-friendly," found that between 1998 and 2002, depictions of or references to sex dropped in the first two hours of primetime.

"It appears that the groundswell of opposition to raunchy programming really is starting to have an impact on program content," the study concludes.

The council arrived at its conclusion by viewing about 400 hours of programming that aired on the six networks during November sweeps in 1998, 2000 and 2002. The study cataloged references to sexual activity, either visual (nudity, "scenes involving amorous couples" ) or verbal, which it defines as "innuendo, suggestive comments or jokes [and] references or allusions to specific sexual acts."

From 1998 to 2002, incidents of sexual content dropped from nearly 30 per hour in the first hour of primetime to about 25 per hour. Depictions of or references to sex dropped on ABC, CBS, FOX and UPN during that time, while the numbers increased on NBC (from 4.91 to 7.1) and The WB (from 2.75 to 5.16).

A smaller drop occurred in the 9 p.m. ET hour, going from about 26 references in 1998 to just under 23 last year. The number of references in the 10 p.m. hour, when fewer children are likely to be watching, increased from 11.86 in 1998 to 17.3 in 2002.

"Innuendo" is by far the most common form of sexual reference, accounting for 62 percent of the incidents in the "family hour" in November 2002 and 47 percent of them at 9 p.m.

By focusing on November sweep periods, the study does not take into account season-long trends or midseason programming.
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One of the signs of a 3T-4T transition is supposed to be a cleaning up of the culture. Does what this article describes qualify?

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http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?31635

Study Finds Less Sex on Network TV
Tue, May 20, 2003 01:18 PM PDT






LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - Sexual content on prime-time network television has decreased over the past four years, according to a study by an TV-industry watchdog.

The survey by the Parents Television Council, a group that aims to reduce sex and violence on TV and make programming more "family-friendly," found that between 1998 and 2002, depictions of or references to sex dropped in the first two hours of primetime.

"It appears that the groundswell of opposition to raunchy programming really is starting to have an impact on program content," the study concludes.

The council arrived at its conclusion by viewing about 400 hours of programming that aired on the six networks during November sweeps in 1998, 2000 and 2002. The study cataloged references to sexual activity, either visual (nudity, "scenes involving amorous couples" ) or verbal, which it defines as "innuendo, suggestive comments or jokes [and] references or allusions to specific sexual acts."

From 1998 to 2002, incidents of sexual content dropped from nearly 30 per hour in the first hour of primetime to about 25 per hour. Depictions of or references to sex dropped on ABC, CBS, FOX and UPN during that time, while the numbers increased on NBC (from 4.91 to 7.1) and The WB (from 2.75 to 5.16).

A smaller drop occurred in the 9 p.m. ET hour, going from about 26 references in 1998 to just under 23 last year. The number of references in the 10 p.m. hour, when fewer children are likely to be watching, increased from 11.86 in 1998 to 17.3 in 2002.

"Innuendo" is by far the most common form of sexual reference, accounting for 62 percent of the incidents in the "family hour" in November 2002 and 47 percent of them at 9 p.m.

By focusing on November sweep periods, the study does not take into account season-long trends or midseason programming.
"Dans cette epoque cybernetique
Pleine de gents informatique."







Post#6896 at 05-20-2003 02:37 PM by Vince Lamb '59 [at Irish Hills, Michigan joined Jun 2001 #posts 1,997]
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One of the signs of a 3T-4T transition is supposed to be a cleaning up of the culture. Does what this article describes qualify?

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http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?31635

Study Finds Less Sex on Network TV
Tue, May 20, 2003 01:18 PM PDT






LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - Sexual content on prime-time network television has decreased over the past four years, according to a study by an TV-industry watchdog.

The survey by the Parents Television Council, a group that aims to reduce sex and violence on TV and make programming more "family-friendly," found that between 1998 and 2002, depictions of or references to sex dropped in the first two hours of primetime.

"It appears that the groundswell of opposition to raunchy programming really is starting to have an impact on program content," the study concludes.

The council arrived at its conclusion by viewing about 400 hours of programming that aired on the six networks during November sweeps in 1998, 2000 and 2002. The study cataloged references to sexual activity, either visual (nudity, "scenes involving amorous couples" ) or verbal, which it defines as "innuendo, suggestive comments or jokes [and] references or allusions to specific sexual acts."

From 1998 to 2002, incidents of sexual content dropped from nearly 30 per hour in the first hour of primetime to about 25 per hour. Depictions of or references to sex dropped on ABC, CBS, FOX and UPN during that time, while the numbers increased on NBC (from 4.91 to 7.1) and The WB (from 2.75 to 5.16).

A smaller drop occurred in the 9 p.m. ET hour, going from about 26 references in 1998 to just under 23 last year. The number of references in the 10 p.m. hour, when fewer children are likely to be watching, increased from 11.86 in 1998 to 17.3 in 2002.

"Innuendo" is by far the most common form of sexual reference, accounting for 62 percent of the incidents in the "family hour" in November 2002 and 47 percent of them at 9 p.m.

By focusing on November sweep periods, the study does not take into account season-long trends or midseason programming.
"Dans cette epoque cybernetique
Pleine de gents informatique."







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One of the signs of a 3T-4T transition is supposed to be a cleaning up of the culture. Does what this article describes qualify?

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http://tv.zap2it.com/news/tvnewsdaily.html?31635

Study Finds Less Sex on Network TV
Tue, May 20, 2003 01:18 PM PDT






LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - Sexual content on prime-time network television has decreased over the past four years, according to a study by an TV-industry watchdog.

The survey by the Parents Television Council, a group that aims to reduce sex and violence on TV and make programming more "family-friendly," found that between 1998 and 2002, depictions of or references to sex dropped in the first two hours of primetime.

"It appears that the groundswell of opposition to raunchy programming really is starting to have an impact on program content," the study concludes.

The council arrived at its conclusion by viewing about 400 hours of programming that aired on the six networks during November sweeps in 1998, 2000 and 2002. The study cataloged references to sexual activity, either visual (nudity, "scenes involving amorous couples" ) or verbal, which it defines as "innuendo, suggestive comments or jokes [and] references or allusions to specific sexual acts."

From 1998 to 2002, incidents of sexual content dropped from nearly 30 per hour in the first hour of primetime to about 25 per hour. Depictions of or references to sex dropped on ABC, CBS, FOX and UPN during that time, while the numbers increased on NBC (from 4.91 to 7.1) and The WB (from 2.75 to 5.16).

A smaller drop occurred in the 9 p.m. ET hour, going from about 26 references in 1998 to just under 23 last year. The number of references in the 10 p.m. hour, when fewer children are likely to be watching, increased from 11.86 in 1998 to 17.3 in 2002.

"Innuendo" is by far the most common form of sexual reference, accounting for 62 percent of the incidents in the "family hour" in November 2002 and 47 percent of them at 9 p.m.

By focusing on November sweep periods, the study does not take into account season-long trends or midseason programming.
"Dans cette epoque cybernetique
Pleine de gents informatique."







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Quote Originally Posted by The Wonk
Don't know if this is a sign of 4T but it is a sign of the new jittery zeitgist.

Each summer in the DC area (and probably other urban areas), if air pollution is particularly bad (typically on a very hot, humid day), EPA will issue a "red alert" discouraging people from going outside and our Metrobus will take riders for free.

Well, summer is fast approaching, and our Homeland Security guys and law enforcement personnel are worried about the reaction of a jittery public on the next "red alert" day. Will we have panic in the streets the next time it hits 95 degrees? :o

Of course, the way this Spring weather has been, I'll be surprised if we ever hit 80 degrees!
Very interesting. Will the public be more concerned about security or the environment? A 4T indicator to be sure.

In NE Ohio they call them "ozone alert" days, but we don't get free bus service.







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Quote Originally Posted by The Wonk
Don't know if this is a sign of 4T but it is a sign of the new jittery zeitgist.

Each summer in the DC area (and probably other urban areas), if air pollution is particularly bad (typically on a very hot, humid day), EPA will issue a "red alert" discouraging people from going outside and our Metrobus will take riders for free.

Well, summer is fast approaching, and our Homeland Security guys and law enforcement personnel are worried about the reaction of a jittery public on the next "red alert" day. Will we have panic in the streets the next time it hits 95 degrees? :o

Of course, the way this Spring weather has been, I'll be surprised if we ever hit 80 degrees!
Very interesting. Will the public be more concerned about security or the environment? A 4T indicator to be sure.

In NE Ohio they call them "ozone alert" days, but we don't get free bus service.







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Quote Originally Posted by The Wonk
Don't know if this is a sign of 4T but it is a sign of the new jittery zeitgist.

Each summer in the DC area (and probably other urban areas), if air pollution is particularly bad (typically on a very hot, humid day), EPA will issue a "red alert" discouraging people from going outside and our Metrobus will take riders for free.

Well, summer is fast approaching, and our Homeland Security guys and law enforcement personnel are worried about the reaction of a jittery public on the next "red alert" day. Will we have panic in the streets the next time it hits 95 degrees? :o

Of course, the way this Spring weather has been, I'll be surprised if we ever hit 80 degrees!
Very interesting. Will the public be more concerned about security or the environment? A 4T indicator to be sure.

In NE Ohio they call them "ozone alert" days, but we don't get free bus service.
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