War with North Korea? Interesting how Clinton had the 3T wars (and diplomacy) of containment, and Bush seems to have the 4T all out thing on his mind. Would Algore have been 4T minded? He did read the book, but how much did he keep in mind? Ah phooey.

Here's the link with the skinny on the N.C. Nukes at the moment:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...y_030715135458

War with North Korea? Interesting how Clinton had the 3T wars (and diplomacy) of containment, and Bush seems to have the 4T all out thing on his mind. Would Algore have been 4T minded? He did read the book, but how much did he keep in mind? Ah phooey.

Here's the link with the skinny on the N.C. Nukes at the moment:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...y_030715135458

War with North Korea? Interesting how Clinton had the 3T wars (and diplomacy) of containment, and Bush seems to have the 4T all out thing on his mind. Would Algore have been 4T minded? He did read the book, but how much did he keep in mind? Ah phooey.

Here's the link with the skinny on the N.C. Nukes at the moment:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...y_030715135458

Originally Posted by Earthshine

War with North Korea? Interesting how Clinton had the 3T wars (and diplomacy) of containment, and Bush seems to have the 4T all out thing on his mind. Would Algore have been 4T minded? He did read the book, but how much did he keep in mind? Ah phooey.

Here's the link with the skinny on the N.C. Nukes at the moment:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...y_030715135458

Clinton treated Communism in a 4T manner: the last 4T. Like FDR, he kissed its ass.

Originally Posted by Earthshine

War with North Korea? Interesting how Clinton had the 3T wars (and diplomacy) of containment, and Bush seems to have the 4T all out thing on his mind. Would Algore have been 4T minded? He did read the book, but how much did he keep in mind? Ah phooey.

Here's the link with the skinny on the N.C. Nukes at the moment:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...y_030715135458

Clinton treated Communism in a 4T manner: the last 4T. Like FDR, he kissed its ass.

Originally Posted by Earthshine

War with North Korea? Interesting how Clinton had the 3T wars (and diplomacy) of containment, and Bush seems to have the 4T all out thing on his mind. Would Algore have been 4T minded? He did read the book, but how much did he keep in mind? Ah phooey.

Here's the link with the skinny on the N.C. Nukes at the moment:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...y_030715135458

Clinton treated Communism in a 4T manner: the last 4T. Like FDR, he kissed its ass.

This just strikes me as bizarre. (Actually it seems cribbed from a third-rate TV show in 1985 called Hail to the Chief.) Any guesses on the third justice?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/07/15/ro....ap/index.html

Broadcaster Pat Robertson calls for retirement of justices

VIRGINIA BEACH, Virginia (AP) --Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson urged his nationwide audience Monday to pray for God to remove three justices from the Supreme Court so they could be replaced by conservatives.

"We ask for miracles in regard to the Supreme Court," Robertson said on the Christian Broadcasting Network's "The 700 Club."

Robertson has launched a 21-day "prayer offensive" directed at the Supreme Court in the wake of its 6-3 June vote that decriminalized sodomy. Robertson said in a letter on the CBN Web site that the ruling "has opened the door to homosexual marriage, bigamy, legalized prostitution and even incest."

The same letter targets three justices in particular: "One justice is 83-years-old, another has cancer and another has a heart condition. Would it not be possible for God to put it in the minds of these three judges that the time has come to retire?"

Judging from the descriptions, Robertson was referring to Justice John Paul Stevens, who was born in 1920, and Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who had colon cancer surgery in 1999. The identity of the third justice was unclear.

Copyright 2003 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

This just strikes me as bizarre. (Actually it seems cribbed from a third-rate TV show in 1985 called Hail to the Chief.) Any guesses on the third justice?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/07/15/ro....ap/index.html

Broadcaster Pat Robertson calls for retirement of justices

VIRGINIA BEACH, Virginia (AP) --Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson urged his nationwide audience Monday to pray for God to remove three justices from the Supreme Court so they could be replaced by conservatives.

"We ask for miracles in regard to the Supreme Court," Robertson said on the Christian Broadcasting Network's "The 700 Club."

Robertson has launched a 21-day "prayer offensive" directed at the Supreme Court in the wake of its 6-3 June vote that decriminalized sodomy. Robertson said in a letter on the CBN Web site that the ruling "has opened the door to homosexual marriage, bigamy, legalized prostitution and even incest."

The same letter targets three justices in particular: "One justice is 83-years-old, another has cancer and another has a heart condition. Would it not be possible for God to put it in the minds of these three judges that the time has come to retire?"

Judging from the descriptions, Robertson was referring to Justice John Paul Stevens, who was born in 1920, and Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who had colon cancer surgery in 1999. The identity of the third justice was unclear.

Copyright 2003 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

This just strikes me as bizarre. (Actually it seems cribbed from a third-rate TV show in 1985 called Hail to the Chief.) Any guesses on the third justice?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/07/15/ro....ap/index.html

Broadcaster Pat Robertson calls for retirement of justices

VIRGINIA BEACH, Virginia (AP) --Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson urged his nationwide audience Monday to pray for God to remove three justices from the Supreme Court so they could be replaced by conservatives.

"We ask for miracles in regard to the Supreme Court," Robertson said on the Christian Broadcasting Network's "The 700 Club."

Robertson has launched a 21-day "prayer offensive" directed at the Supreme Court in the wake of its 6-3 June vote that decriminalized sodomy. Robertson said in a letter on the CBN Web site that the ruling "has opened the door to homosexual marriage, bigamy, legalized prostitution and even incest."

The same letter targets three justices in particular: "One justice is 83-years-old, another has cancer and another has a heart condition. Would it not be possible for God to put it in the minds of these three judges that the time has come to retire?"

Judging from the descriptions, Robertson was referring to Justice John Paul Stevens, who was born in 1920, and Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who had colon cancer surgery in 1999. The identity of the third justice was unclear.

Copyright 2003 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

My guess is Souter or Breyer.

My guess is Souter or Breyer.

My guess is Souter or Breyer.

What drives Blair, I believe, is not conviction but vanity. No stubborn idealist would have been capable of Blair's ideological iterations. Blair started off in politics opposed to America's Cold War foreign policy and in
favor of unilateral nuclear disarmament; now he is America's staunch ally.
When getting on in the Labor Party required it, Blair was opposed to
Britain's closer involvement with the European Union; when Europe emerged as
an issue that could split the Conservative Party, Blair saw scope for
advantage and became a fervent pro-European. Ideological pragmatism in the
service of political ambition has been the abiding theme of his career.


But ambition to what purpose? First, of course, to make Labor electable and
thus achieve power. Now, and if necessary to the exclusion of all other
goals, to secure a place in history that rivals Margaret Thatcher's.
Thirteen years after Britain's Tories sacked her as leader, it would be
difficult to exaggerate the extent to which Thatcher's legacy still shapes
British politics. One of its less edifying aspects is the overriding
importance of "strong leadership." To rival Thatcher's place in the
country's history, Britain's political leaders believe they must strive,
however ill-equipped they may be for the task, to do as she did?namely,
pick fights over big questions and win.


In this, the appearance of deeply held convictions and a seeming willingness to make sacrifices in pursuit of them are both helpful. Actually having deeply held convictions and a willingness to make sacrifices in pursuit of them can be a drawback.


Britain's Prime Minister Is a Hollow Friend Clintonian? or Bushite? you decide. HTH

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

Britain's Prime Minister Is a Hollow Friend Clintonian? or Bushite? you decide. HTH

Good article Virgil, How come a person who supported unilaterial disarmanment in the 1980's and probably wanted to withdraw Britain from the EU. Now supports The Invasion of Iraq and wants Britain to be intergrated closer to the EU. Is a complete mystery to me, the article shows a side of Tony Blair few outside Britain want to explore.

Think we are in 4T? Dubbya might be, but the rest of the US isn't. Check this out then think about what turning we are in.

New York to Open First U.S. Public School for Gays
Mon Jul 28, 1:12 PM ET

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A school in New York's Greenwich Village will reopen in September as America's first publicly run high school for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender students, officials said on Monday.

Although The Harvey Milk School has been operating with two classrooms for 20 years, $3.2 million is being spent by the City to expand it to take 100 students. Named after a gay San Francisco politician assassinated in 1978, the school will be funded jointly by the city education department and a gay rights youth advocacy group.

"Everybody feels that it's a good idea because some of the kids who are gays and lesbians have been constantly harassed and beaten in other schools and this lets them get an education without having to worry," Mayor Michael Bloomberg told reporters at his daily briefing on Monday.

But the head of the New York State Conservative Party said the school was a waste of tax dollars.

"This makes absolutely no sense," Long told the New York Post newspaper. "There's no reason these children should be treated separately."

The school's first principal is William Salzman, a former Wall Street executive who has recently worked as an assistant high school principal.

Salzman was quoted in Monday's New York Post as saying, "This school will be a model for the country and possibly the world."

It will specialize in computer technology, art and culinary programs. It will also follow the education department's new mandatory English language and mathematics programs.

Link at yahoo.com posted for discussion purposes only

Originally Posted by Red Bull 72

New York to Open First U.S. Public School for Gays
Mon Jul 28, 1:12 PM ET

awesome.....


and by "awesome", i mean "whatever".



TK

Nuclear Breakout
larming as they are, the nuclear bomb making programs of North Korea and Iran are part of a much bigger problem. The international controls that contained the spread of nuclear weapons for decades are crumbling. Major repairs are needed, and the Bush administration, preoccupied with Iraq and wrongly viewing the nuclear challenge as limited to a few rogue states, is not pressing hard enough for them.

The first warning signal came from Iraq in the early 1990's. In a nearly successful end run around the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, Iraq used a legal civilian nuclear energy program as a decoy to acquire know-how and materials for bomb making. It came frighteningly close to success before defeat in the Persian Gulf war exposed its nuclear secrets.

In 1998, India and Pakistan crashed their way into the nuclear weapons club. Again, civilian nuclear programs were the steppingstones, along with help from China in Pakistan's case. Neither India nor Pakistan ever signed the nonproliferation treaty, for which they suffered no real penalties. Now, nuclear breakouts seem likely from North Korea, perhaps this year, and Iran, not much later.

Terrorism and nuclear proliferation are the most serious security threats faced by America today. Washington has no serious conventional military rivals. But unconventional weapons, especially nuclear weapons, are great equalizers. The United States should lead an urgent international effort to repair the torn fabric of nuclear proliferation controls. The question is how.

One starting point is a frank acknowledgment that the nonproliferation treaty is no longer adequate in its present form. The treaty does not ban enriching uranium or reprocessing plutonium, the two basic methods of making nuclear bomb fuel. It relies on the good faith of governments. It has no clear enforcement mechanisms.

The ideal place to demonstrate international resolve is the United Nations Security Council, which is empowered to apply sanctions and even military force against countries that violate the nonproliferation treaty. The United States and Europe, including France, stand together on this issue. Russia wants to preserve its lucrative commercial nuclear relationship with Iran. But in recent months it has also seemed to recognize that Tehran's quest for nuclear weapons could make this impossible. China is clearly unhappy with North Korea's nuclear brinkmanship. If Russia begins to take a tougher attitude in the Security Council, Beijing might go along.

Even if they resist international action through the Security Council, there are powerful steps Russia and China could take on their own. They could refuse to share nuclear technology with any country suspected of experimenting with uranium enrichment or plutonium reprocessing. It would be difficult for additional countries to learn how to produce these bomb fuels without outside help. Moscow and Beijing could also agree to join Europe and the United States in planning to intercept any future North Korean exports of nuclear materials.

The nonproliferation treaty itself needs strengthening. The more intrusive inspection arrangements drafted after the Iraq experience should be accepted by all signers. And the loophole that lets countries manufacture bomb fuel under the guise of civilian power programs must be closed. Countries that do not agree to both changes should be cut off from all civilian nuclear cooperation and diplomatically ostracized in other ways as well. Those that do could be offered economic incentives and security assurances.

Moving forward on these fronts would rebuild a more reliable international system for restraining the spread of nuclear weapons. America would still retain the right to act on its own, using military force if necessary, to counter grave threats to its national security. But the likelihood of having to take such action would be dramatically reduced.

(AP) Nuclear bombs are likely to be used before the end of the decade if the United States doesn't do more to stop their spread, a group that advises Senate Democrats said Wednesday.

One key step would be to begin direct talks with North Korea to negotiate an end to its nuclear program, said the National Security Advisory Group, which includes former top officials of the Clinton administration.

Former Defense Secretary William Perry, the group's chairman, said North Korea could have six to eight nuclear bombs by the end of the year and could have "serial production" next year.

"We must anticipate, given North Korea's desperate economic condition, that some of the products of their nuclear program will be for sale to the highest bidder and could end up in an American city," Perry said at a news conference.

The Bush administration has said North Korea's nuclear program is a regional problem and should be resolved with multilateral talks involving South Korea, Japan and China. North Korea is already believed to have one or two nuclear bombs. North Korea wants talks with just the United States.

"If we cannot resolve the conflict through negotiation, we may drift into a situation where this policy conflict erupts into a military conflict," Perry said.

In addition to North Korea, Perry cited the dangers of nuclear programs in India, Pakistan and Iran.

The advisory group also includes former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, former national security adviser Sandy Berger, former NATO Supreme Commander Gen. Wesley Clark and former Joint Chiefs chairman Gen. John Shalikashvili.

It was formed in March "partly in response to the perception that Democrats have been indifferent to national security problems and defense," a perception that "flies in the face of the historical role that Democrats have played in national security," Perry said in a report released by the group.

The group recommended limiting defense spending increases and shifting the money to other national security priorities, such as homeland security, intelligence and foreign aid.

It also recommended working more closely with allies to fight terrorism and nuclear proliferation.



By Ken Guggenheim

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

The present is embodied in Hexagram 49 - Ko (Revolution): What takes place is believed in only after it has been accomplished. There will be great progress and success. Advantage will come from being firm and correct. In that case, occasion for repentance will disappear.

The second line, divided, shows its subject making his changes after some time has passed. Action taken will be fortunate. There will be no error.

The fourth line, undivided, shows occasion for repentance disappearing from its subject. Let him be believed in, and though he change existing ordinances, there will be good fortune.
The situation is shifting, but neither Yin (the passive feminine force) nor Yang (the active masculine force) is gaining ground.






The future is embodied in Hexagram 5 - Hsu (Waiting): With sincerity, there will be brilliant success. With firmness there will be good fortune, and it will be advantageous to cross the great stream.

The things most apparent, those above and in front, are embodied by the upper trigram Tui (Lake), which is tansforming into K'an (Water). As part of this process, joy, pleasure, and attraction are giving way to danger and the unknown.

The things least apparent, those below and behind, are embodied by the lower trigram Li (Fire), which is transforming into Chi'en (Heaven). As part of this process, brightness and warmth are giving way to strength and creativity.


I Ching

HTH 8)

I wonder if I should do the same with Tarot cards...

This was a truly sick idea, and demonstrates how ghastly is the mentality of this administration. :evil: :evil:

Originally Posted by Kiff 1961

This was a truly sick idea, and demonstrates how ghastly is the mentality of this administration. :evil: :evil:

This was a truly sick idea, and demonstrates how ghastly was the mentality of the previous administration. :evil: :evil:

Originally Posted by Kiff 1961

This was a truly sick idea, and demonstrates how ghastly is the mentality of this administration. :evil: :evil:

I couldn't believe it either. I didn't even think the Pubs would sink thislow. When I first heard of it, I thought it was a joke.

Originally Posted by ....

This was a truly sick idea, and demonstrates how ghastly was the mentality of the previous administration. :evil: :evil:

i couldnt believe it either I didn't even think the dems would sink this low when i first heard of it i thought it was a joke

Originally Posted by Kiff 1961

This was a truly sick idea, and demonstrates how ghastly is the mentality of this administration. :evil: :evil:

Sick how? Read the proposal, and the rationale behind it. The administration is conceding defeat, as far as the intelligence war against decentralized foes is concerned. They admit that they are incompetent to effect any kind of meaningful reduction in terrorist activities.

They also are possessed of a clearly childlike ignorance of economics and human motivations -- leading them to treat "the market" (whatever they think they mean by that) as some sort of magical, omniscient, omnipotent entity.

Being aware of their incompetence in matters of intelligence, they wanted to turn over their intelligence duties to the magical powers of "the market". It's really more pitiful than ghastly.

Originally Posted by Justin '77

Originally Posted by Kiff 1961

This was a truly sick idea, and demonstrates how ghastly is the mentality of this administration. :evil: :evil:

Sick how? Read the proposal, and the rationale behind it. The administration is conceding defeat, as far as the intelligence war against decentralized foes is concerned. They admit that they are incompetent to effect any kind of meaningful reduction in terrorist activities.

You're making it sound like the first step in a twelve-step program.

"We admitted we were powerless over terrorism; that our foreign policy had become unmanageable."

To bet on death and destruction is sick.