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Post#7801 at 01-31-2004 09:51 PM by Mikebert [at Kalamazoo MI joined Jul 2001 #posts 4,502]
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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea...1.florida.html

Here's an article (long) by Richard Florida that outlines what I believe to be the key issue of the crisis: the lack of leading sectors for the next economy. It also characterizes the "sides" of the crisis as old economy (red) versus new economy (blue).







Post#7802 at 01-31-2004 09:51 PM by Mikebert [at Kalamazoo MI joined Jul 2001 #posts 4,502]
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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/fea...1.florida.html

Here's an article (long) by Richard Florida that outlines what I believe to be the key issue of the crisis: the lack of leading sectors for the next economy. It also characterizes the "sides" of the crisis as old economy (red) versus new economy (blue).







Post#7803 at 01-31-2004 10:22 PM by Virgil K. Saari [at '49er, north of the Mesabi Mountains joined Jun 2001 #posts 7,835]
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The coming of variety

Quote Originally Posted by Mike Alexander '59
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0401.florida.html

Here's an article (long) by Richard Florida that outlines what I believe to be the key issue of the crisis: the lack of leading sectors for the next economy. It also characterizes the "sides" of the crisis as old economy (red) versus new economy (blue).
That other portions of the world will experience the "variety" that has made America great is a positive thing in the long run. The American- "my way or the highway" can now allow those in the rest of the planet to choose another road as various moral, economic, social and religious options open up on other shores. They can now choose the "highway".


This is a good thing... that the creative class can live in large portions of the world rather than one nation only. From the Tundra to the Antipodes, "Let Freedom ring!"







Post#7804 at 01-31-2004 10:22 PM by Virgil K. Saari [at '49er, north of the Mesabi Mountains joined Jun 2001 #posts 7,835]
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The coming of variety

Quote Originally Posted by Mike Alexander '59
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0401.florida.html

Here's an article (long) by Richard Florida that outlines what I believe to be the key issue of the crisis: the lack of leading sectors for the next economy. It also characterizes the "sides" of the crisis as old economy (red) versus new economy (blue).
That other portions of the world will experience the "variety" that has made America great is a positive thing in the long run. The American- "my way or the highway" can now allow those in the rest of the planet to choose another road as various moral, economic, social and religious options open up on other shores. They can now choose the "highway".


This is a good thing... that the creative class can live in large portions of the world rather than one nation only. From the Tundra to the Antipodes, "Let Freedom ring!"







Post#7805 at 01-31-2004 10:22 PM by Virgil K. Saari [at '49er, north of the Mesabi Mountains joined Jun 2001 #posts 7,835]
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The coming of variety

Quote Originally Posted by Mike Alexander '59
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0401.florida.html

Here's an article (long) by Richard Florida that outlines what I believe to be the key issue of the crisis: the lack of leading sectors for the next economy. It also characterizes the "sides" of the crisis as old economy (red) versus new economy (blue).
That other portions of the world will experience the "variety" that has made America great is a positive thing in the long run. The American- "my way or the highway" can now allow those in the rest of the planet to choose another road as various moral, economic, social and religious options open up on other shores. They can now choose the "highway".


This is a good thing... that the creative class can live in large portions of the world rather than one nation only. From the Tundra to the Antipodes, "Let Freedom ring!"







Post#7806 at 01-31-2004 10:30 PM by Virgil K. Saari [at '49er, north of the Mesabi Mountains joined Jun 2001 #posts 7,835]
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The first thing we do,

let's outsource all the layers.

With apology to the Earl of Oxford. :oops:







Post#7807 at 01-31-2004 10:30 PM by Virgil K. Saari [at '49er, north of the Mesabi Mountains joined Jun 2001 #posts 7,835]
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The first thing we do,

let's outsource all the layers.

With apology to the Earl of Oxford. :oops:







Post#7808 at 01-31-2004 10:30 PM by Virgil K. Saari [at '49er, north of the Mesabi Mountains joined Jun 2001 #posts 7,835]
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The first thing we do,

let's outsource all the layers.

With apology to the Earl of Oxford. :oops:







Post#7809 at 02-05-2004 06:56 PM by [at joined #posts ]
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This could also go in several places, but it belongs here

Poll results from www.insightmagazine.com:

What should be done about the Janet Jackson/Justin Timberlake stunt at the Super Bowl?

Fine them for indecent exposure
(7%)

Fine the NFL
(3%)

Fine CBS
(13%)

Fine MTV
(6%)

Make Jackson and Timberlake pay all fines imposed on the NFL, CBS and/or MTV
(31%)

Require the NFL to include the Jackson/Timberlake stunt in its Super Bowl highlight film
(39%)

Notice which choice got the most support; I'd say that this is damn good 3T evidence







Post#7810 at 02-05-2004 06:56 PM by [at joined #posts ]
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This could also go in several places, but it belongs here

Poll results from www.insightmagazine.com:

What should be done about the Janet Jackson/Justin Timberlake stunt at the Super Bowl?

Fine them for indecent exposure
(7%)

Fine the NFL
(3%)

Fine CBS
(13%)

Fine MTV
(6%)

Make Jackson and Timberlake pay all fines imposed on the NFL, CBS and/or MTV
(31%)

Require the NFL to include the Jackson/Timberlake stunt in its Super Bowl highlight film
(39%)

Notice which choice got the most support; I'd say that this is damn good 3T evidence







Post#7811 at 02-05-2004 06:56 PM by [at joined #posts ]
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This could also go in several places, but it belongs here

Poll results from www.insightmagazine.com:

What should be done about the Janet Jackson/Justin Timberlake stunt at the Super Bowl?

Fine them for indecent exposure
(7%)

Fine the NFL
(3%)

Fine CBS
(13%)

Fine MTV
(6%)

Make Jackson and Timberlake pay all fines imposed on the NFL, CBS and/or MTV
(31%)

Require the NFL to include the Jackson/Timberlake stunt in its Super Bowl highlight film
(39%)

Notice which choice got the most support; I'd say that this is damn good 3T evidence







Post#7812 at 02-05-2004 09:53 PM by BoomerXer [at OHIO joined Feb 2003 #posts 401]
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But wait....

But wait...

What about the (hypocritical)over-reaction from middle-America, Jackson out of the Grammys, new 7-second delay on NBC and 5 MINUTE DELAY on CBS, the reaction of the FCC compared to Bono's f-word?

That sounds more like 4T to me.







Post#7813 at 02-05-2004 09:53 PM by BoomerXer [at OHIO joined Feb 2003 #posts 401]
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But wait....

But wait...

What about the (hypocritical)over-reaction from middle-America, Jackson out of the Grammys, new 7-second delay on NBC and 5 MINUTE DELAY on CBS, the reaction of the FCC compared to Bono's f-word?

That sounds more like 4T to me.







Post#7814 at 02-05-2004 09:53 PM by BoomerXer [at OHIO joined Feb 2003 #posts 401]
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But wait....

But wait...

What about the (hypocritical)over-reaction from middle-America, Jackson out of the Grammys, new 7-second delay on NBC and 5 MINUTE DELAY on CBS, the reaction of the FCC compared to Bono's f-word?

That sounds more like 4T to me.







Post#7815 at 02-05-2004 10:12 PM by Chicken Little [at western NC joined Jun 2002 #posts 1,211]
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Re: This could also go in several places, but it belongs her

Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Poll results from www.insightmagazine.com:

What should be done about the Janet Jackson/Justin Timberlake stunt at the Super Bowl?

Fine them for indecent exposure
(7%)

Fine the NFL
(3%)

Fine CBS
(13%)

Fine MTV
(6%)

Make Jackson and Timberlake pay all fines imposed on the NFL, CBS and/or MTV
(31%)

Require the NFL to include the Jackson/Timberlake stunt in its Super Bowl highlight film
(39%)

Notice which choice got the most support; I'd say that this is damn good 3T evidence
Or 4T escapism.
Think about it: the Golden Age of cinema, Hollywood glamor girls, and advent of television was not during a 3T, but during WW2--the last 4T!
It's like a bug high on the wall. You wait for it to come to you. When it gets close enough you reach out, slap out and kill it. Or if you like its looks, you make a pet out of it.
- Charles Bukowski







Post#7816 at 02-05-2004 10:12 PM by Chicken Little [at western NC joined Jun 2002 #posts 1,211]
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Re: This could also go in several places, but it belongs her

Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Poll results from www.insightmagazine.com:

What should be done about the Janet Jackson/Justin Timberlake stunt at the Super Bowl?

Fine them for indecent exposure
(7%)

Fine the NFL
(3%)

Fine CBS
(13%)

Fine MTV
(6%)

Make Jackson and Timberlake pay all fines imposed on the NFL, CBS and/or MTV
(31%)

Require the NFL to include the Jackson/Timberlake stunt in its Super Bowl highlight film
(39%)

Notice which choice got the most support; I'd say that this is damn good 3T evidence
Or 4T escapism.
Think about it: the Golden Age of cinema, Hollywood glamor girls, and advent of television was not during a 3T, but during WW2--the last 4T!
It's like a bug high on the wall. You wait for it to come to you. When it gets close enough you reach out, slap out and kill it. Or if you like its looks, you make a pet out of it.
- Charles Bukowski







Post#7817 at 02-05-2004 10:12 PM by Chicken Little [at western NC joined Jun 2002 #posts 1,211]
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Re: This could also go in several places, but it belongs her

Quote Originally Posted by mmailliw 8419
Poll results from www.insightmagazine.com:

What should be done about the Janet Jackson/Justin Timberlake stunt at the Super Bowl?

Fine them for indecent exposure
(7%)

Fine the NFL
(3%)

Fine CBS
(13%)

Fine MTV
(6%)

Make Jackson and Timberlake pay all fines imposed on the NFL, CBS and/or MTV
(31%)

Require the NFL to include the Jackson/Timberlake stunt in its Super Bowl highlight film
(39%)

Notice which choice got the most support; I'd say that this is damn good 3T evidence
Or 4T escapism.
Think about it: the Golden Age of cinema, Hollywood glamor girls, and advent of television was not during a 3T, but during WW2--the last 4T!
It's like a bug high on the wall. You wait for it to come to you. When it gets close enough you reach out, slap out and kill it. Or if you like its looks, you make a pet out of it.
- Charles Bukowski







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Re: But wait....

Quote Originally Posted by BoomerXer
But wait...

What about the (hypocritical)over-reaction from middle-America, Jackson out of the Grammys, new 7-second delay on NBC and 5 MINUTE DELAY on CBS, the reaction of the FCC compared to Bono's f-word?

That sounds more like 4T to me.
That and http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory...RITY&oid=44070

and the fact that that number has gone up to 45% the last time I checked (though the site is down) makes this look like nothing more than intensified Culture Wars to me.







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Re: But wait....

Quote Originally Posted by BoomerXer
But wait...

What about the (hypocritical)over-reaction from middle-America, Jackson out of the Grammys, new 7-second delay on NBC and 5 MINUTE DELAY on CBS, the reaction of the FCC compared to Bono's f-word?

That sounds more like 4T to me.
That and http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory...RITY&oid=44070

and the fact that that number has gone up to 45% the last time I checked (though the site is down) makes this look like nothing more than intensified Culture Wars to me.







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Re: But wait....

Quote Originally Posted by BoomerXer
But wait...

What about the (hypocritical)over-reaction from middle-America, Jackson out of the Grammys, new 7-second delay on NBC and 5 MINUTE DELAY on CBS, the reaction of the FCC compared to Bono's f-word?

That sounds more like 4T to me.
That and http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory...RITY&oid=44070

and the fact that that number has gone up to 45% the last time I checked (though the site is down) makes this look like nothing more than intensified Culture Wars to me.







Post#7821 at 02-06-2004 02:28 AM by Vince Lamb '59 [at Irish Hills, Michigan joined Jun 2001 #posts 1,997]
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Re: But wait....

Quote Originally Posted by BoomerXer
But wait...

What about the (hypocritical)over-reaction from middle-America, Jackson out of the Grammys, new 7-second delay on NBC and 5 MINUTE DELAY on CBS, the reaction of the FCC compared to Bono's f-word?

That sounds more like 4T to me.
Here are all the links related to "Breastplate--uh, Breastgate" that I found just on the front page of AIM Celebrity:

Jackson overexposure: TV feels heat CNN 02/05/04 9:56AM
Nervous NBC edits 'ER' breast shot CNN 02/05/04 8:54AM
ABC to impose delay on Oscar telecast CNN 02/05/04 9:06AM
Janet Jackson may skip Grammys CNN 02/04/04 4:39PM
Does the First Amendment Protect Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake? CNN 02/04/04 3:13PM
"Dans cette epoque cybernetique
Pleine de gents informatique."







Post#7822 at 02-06-2004 02:28 AM by Vince Lamb '59 [at Irish Hills, Michigan joined Jun 2001 #posts 1,997]
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Re: But wait....

Quote Originally Posted by BoomerXer
But wait...

What about the (hypocritical)over-reaction from middle-America, Jackson out of the Grammys, new 7-second delay on NBC and 5 MINUTE DELAY on CBS, the reaction of the FCC compared to Bono's f-word?

That sounds more like 4T to me.
Here are all the links related to "Breastplate--uh, Breastgate" that I found just on the front page of AIM Celebrity:

Jackson overexposure: TV feels heat CNN 02/05/04 9:56AM
Nervous NBC edits 'ER' breast shot CNN 02/05/04 8:54AM
ABC to impose delay on Oscar telecast CNN 02/05/04 9:06AM
Janet Jackson may skip Grammys CNN 02/04/04 4:39PM
Does the First Amendment Protect Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake? CNN 02/04/04 3:13PM
"Dans cette epoque cybernetique
Pleine de gents informatique."







Post#7823 at 02-06-2004 02:28 AM by Vince Lamb '59 [at Irish Hills, Michigan joined Jun 2001 #posts 1,997]
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Re: But wait....

Quote Originally Posted by BoomerXer
But wait...

What about the (hypocritical)over-reaction from middle-America, Jackson out of the Grammys, new 7-second delay on NBC and 5 MINUTE DELAY on CBS, the reaction of the FCC compared to Bono's f-word?

That sounds more like 4T to me.
Here are all the links related to "Breastplate--uh, Breastgate" that I found just on the front page of AIM Celebrity:

Jackson overexposure: TV feels heat CNN 02/05/04 9:56AM
Nervous NBC edits 'ER' breast shot CNN 02/05/04 8:54AM
ABC to impose delay on Oscar telecast CNN 02/05/04 9:06AM
Janet Jackson may skip Grammys CNN 02/04/04 4:39PM
Does the First Amendment Protect Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake? CNN 02/04/04 3:13PM
"Dans cette epoque cybernetique
Pleine de gents informatique."







Post#7824 at 02-06-2004 10:01 AM by KaiserD2 [at David Kaiser '47 joined Jul 2001 #posts 5,220]
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Breasts and debts

I tend to agree that the reaction to Janet's overexposure is 4T, although I wonder how many kids were looking at an adult naked breast for the first time. (Believe it or not, I was 18 when I saw my first one in a movie, but of course I had seen many in magazines long before that.) As you all know, the raunchiness of the ads has attracted a lot of attention. Forgotten in all this is the ad that CBS refused to air, the moveon.org winning anti-Bush ad, which was actually both tasteful and serious.

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Breasts and debts

I tend to agree that the reaction to Janet's overexposure is 4T, although I wonder how many kids were looking at an adult naked breast for the first time. (Believe it or not, I was 18 when I saw my first one in a movie, but of course I had seen many in magazines long before that.) As you all know, the raunchiness of the ads has attracted a lot of attention. Forgotten in all this is the ad that CBS refused to air, the moveon.org winning anti-Bush ad, which was actually both tasteful and serious.

David K '47
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