Re: Some Fourth Turning Signs
This is nothing new, of course. It was a full-section spread in a mainstream newspaper-- The Las Vegas Sun-- that first got me intrigued about "The Fourth Turning", soon to be published in January 1997.Originally Posted by Rick Hirst
Woohoo! Strauss & Howe in the mainstream press!
Re: Some Fourth Turning Signs
This is nothing new, of course. It was a full-section spread in a mainstream newspaper-- The Las Vegas Sun-- that first got me intrigued about "The Fourth Turning", soon to be published in January 1997.Woohoo! Strauss & Howe in the mainstream press!
Re: Some Fourth Turning Signs
Tristan, thank you very much for the article. I really enjoyed it.
Americans have had enough of glitz and roar . . Foreboding has deepened, and spiritual currents have darkened . . .
THE FOURTH TURNING IS AT HAND.
See T4T, p. 253.
Re: Some Fourth Turning Signs
Tristan, thank you very much for the article. I really enjoyed it.
Americans have had enough of glitz and roar . . Foreboding has deepened, and spiritual currents have darkened . . .
THE FOURTH TURNING IS AT HAND.
See T4T, p. 253.
An economy's sunset glow
3T shocker in the information economy of California.
The California-based industry is worth billions of dollars a year and is said to be more profitable than Hollywood.
What will our politicians do to revive this limp sector of the GDP? Does Mr. Kerry have a plan? Mr. Bush? Mr. Nader?
An economy's sunset glow
3T shocker in the information economy of California.
The California-based industry is worth billions of dollars a year and is said to be more profitable than Hollywood.
What will our politicians do to revive this limp sector of the GDP? Does Mr. Kerry have a plan? Mr. Bush? Mr. Nader?
Nobody I know wants Bush
The study revealing that 62 percent of 18 to 29 years olds support Bush is a big shocking to me. I know noboday of any age I have talked to recently who wants to see Bush re-elected. In fact, they all seem totally turned off by him. Yet many are not sure Kerry is the answer, either.
One poster mentioned the "Harper Valley PTA" syndrome. This was reminiscent of the Clinton impeachment proceedings. In them he was being judged as perhaps unfit to be President by people who were deemed guilty of many of the same travesties themselves.
Nobody I know wants Bush
The study revealing that 62 percent of 18 to 29 years olds support Bush is a big shocking to me. I know noboday of any age I have talked to recently who wants to see Bush re-elected. In fact, they all seem totally turned off by him. Yet many are not sure Kerry is the answer, either.
One poster mentioned the "Harper Valley PTA" syndrome. This was reminiscent of the Clinton impeachment proceedings. In them he was being judged as perhaps unfit to be President by people who were deemed guilty of many of the same travesties themselves.
Re: Nobody I know wants Bush
I've had a similar feeling in Massachusetts. While I keep hearing Bush 43 has high approval ratings, one seldom encounters real people who approve of him.
Of course, this [is] Massachusetts.
Re: Nobody I know wants Bush
I've had a similar feeling in Massachusetts. While I keep hearing Bush 43 has high approval ratings, one seldom encounters real people who approve of him.
Of course, this [is] Massachusetts.
Re: Nobody I know wants Bush
I thought I just saw a poll (posted here perhaps?) which showed that Millies as a generation are far and away the least supportive of Junior's junta. We have numbers all over the place. Zogby is the only known reliable pollster but I have not checked his polls lately. Regardless, the current creeps in the White House are strictly a Boomer fetish, pure and simple. A cult of personality since all the ideas have been abandoned.I've had a similar feeling in Massachusetts. While I keep hearing Bush 43 has high approval ratings, one seldom encounters real people who approve of him.
Of course, this [is] Massachusetts.
"What went unforeseen, however, was that the elephant would at some point in the last years of the 20th century be possessed, in both body and spirit, by a coincident fusion of mutant ex-Liberals and holy-rolling Theocrats masquerading as conservatives in the tradition of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan: Death by transmogrification, beginning with The Invasion of the Party Snatchers."
-- Victor Gold, Aide to Barry Goldwater
Re: Nobody I know wants Bush
I thought I just saw a poll (posted here perhaps?) which showed that Millies as a generation are far and away the least supportive of Junior's junta. We have numbers all over the place. Zogby is the only known reliable pollster but I have not checked his polls lately. Regardless, the current creeps in the White House are strictly a Boomer fetish, pure and simple. A cult of personality since all the ideas have been abandoned.I've had a similar feeling in Massachusetts. While I keep hearing Bush 43 has high approval ratings, one seldom encounters real people who approve of him.
Of course, this [is] Massachusetts.
"What went unforeseen, however, was that the elephant would at some point in the last years of the 20th century be possessed, in both body and spirit, by a coincident fusion of mutant ex-Liberals and holy-rolling Theocrats masquerading as conservatives in the tradition of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan: Death by transmogrification, beginning with The Invasion of the Party Snatchers."
-- Victor Gold, Aide to Barry Goldwater
Seadog, Zogby as of 4/4/04 shows the president with 47% positive, 53% negative.
Seadog, Zogby as of 4/4/04 shows the president with 47% positive, 53% negative.
That seems to be a sensible ratio although to me it means little if it does not show a substantial majority on either side. Make it at least a 60/40 and then we're talking a better feeling of consensus.
That seems to be a sensible ratio although to me it means little if it does not show a substantial majority on either side. Make it at least a 60/40 and then we're talking a better feeling of consensus.
Yes, but does he have a recent one broken down by generational age groupings? We need to see how he represents Millie support for the current regime. I'll check later if I think of it.
"What went unforeseen, however, was that the elephant would at some point in the last years of the 20th century be possessed, in both body and spirit, by a coincident fusion of mutant ex-Liberals and holy-rolling Theocrats masquerading as conservatives in the tradition of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan: Death by transmogrification, beginning with The Invasion of the Party Snatchers."
-- Victor Gold, Aide to Barry Goldwater
Yes, but does he have a recent one broken down by generational age groupings? We need to see how he represents Millie support for the current regime. I'll check later if I think of it.
"What went unforeseen, however, was that the elephant would at some point in the last years of the 20th century be possessed, in both body and spirit, by a coincident fusion of mutant ex-Liberals and holy-rolling Theocrats masquerading as conservatives in the tradition of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan: Death by transmogrification, beginning with The Invasion of the Party Snatchers."
-- Victor Gold, Aide to Barry Goldwater
Re: Some Fourth Turning Signs
Marc,
The Millennials have not emerged politically as a generation. The Millennials like the GI's before them will support either one of the major parties pretty strongly, like the GI's supported the Democratic party pretty strongly.
Re: Some Fourth Turning Signs
Marc,
The Millennials have not emerged politically as a generation. The Millennials like the GI's before them will support either one of the major parties pretty strongly, like the GI's supported the Democratic party pretty strongly.
Brian,
There is some 6 to 7 months until the presidental election, predicting an election that far out is very hard to do.
Given my political feelings and some reasonably well-informed analysis. There is a very good chance that Bush will win the presidental election and a reasonable chance that he will win in a landslide.
Mind you I do not have much of a feel for the generational mood in the United States currently, Australia is still deep in the 3T.
Brian,
There is some 6 to 7 months until the presidental election, predicting an election that far out is very hard to do.
Given my political feelings and some reasonably well-informed analysis. There is a very good chance that Bush will win the presidental election and a reasonable chance that he will win in a landslide.
Mind you I do not have much of a feel for the generational mood in the United States currently, Australia is still deep in the 3T.
Re: Some Fourth Turning Signs
Oh, I disagree. Just ask the McGovernites from 1972. Given that I falsely predicted the the GOP would break a sixty-eight year long midterm election trend in 2002, I wouldn't dare to crawl out on the limb again this year. And, yes, my "obession" with HRC is rather cumbersome baggage I needless haul around.
I was just trying to be funny and obnoxious as usual with my post. Please ignore. :wink:
Re: Some Fourth Turning Signs
Oh, I disagree. Just ask the McGovernites from 1972. Given that I falsely predicted the the GOP would break a sixty-eight year long midterm election trend in 2002, I wouldn't dare to crawl out on the limb again this year. And, yes, my "obession" with HRC is rather cumbersome baggage I needless haul around.
I was just trying to be funny and obnoxious as usual with my post. Please ignore. :wink:
Re: Some Fourth Turning Signs
May I submit that we won't have a clue as to how the Millies really feel until the Decision '04 exit polling begins? This is, after all, the very first Presidential election in which significant numbers of Millennials are eligible to vote at all! It is very possible that many of them haven't made up their minds just yet. Why don't we let them do just that? (FWIW, my now-17-year-old nephew, who will be eligible to vote this fall, seemed to lean Bush last time around...don't know if he still does or not. I imagine it may hinge on how he feels about his Dad being directly involved in the War).Oh, I disagree. Just ask the McGovernites from 1972. Given that I falsely predicted the the GOP would break a sixty-eight year long midterm election trend in 2002, I wouldn't dare to crawl out on the limb again this year. And, yes, my "obession" with HRC is rather cumbersome baggage I needless haul around.
I was just trying to be funny and obnoxious as usual with my post. Please ignore. :wink:
And what do the McGovernites of '72 have to do with anything, anyway??? Not only were absolutely none of the new Millennial voters born yet, but fully half of the Xers weren't either!
