Originally Posted by Kiff 1961

Originally Posted by sopopo

Originally Posted by Brian Rush

Originally Posted by Kiff 1961

If we cancel the November election, the terrorists will have won. :evil: :evil:

And we will also know that Bush sees them as a political ally.

This is such a frickin non-issue, folks. You should be ashamed of wasting finger-muscles on it.

Okey-dokey. 8) No more wasting of finger muscles from me. I got bigger fish to fry. And I'm sure the Dawg does, too.

Yep. I had to scroll right past about three posts directed to me above. Lanny Davis lives (with an "R" by his name)!

Originally Posted by sopopo

You can't because Cheney never said any such thing. You are a liar, driven by hatred, unable to see the truth because of your hatred.

And on the flipside, Cheney, the Bushes, and the House of Saud love you. They are lovers, driven by love and their mutual love of peace.



Blinded by love.

Originally Posted by sopopo

Originally Posted by Seadog '66

"A decent man should always be somewhat alienated from the herd, from the age he lives in, from the dominant political gangs. When you feel at home in a world that has gone wrong, you’ve gone wrong too." -- Joseph Sobran

Seadog is apparently not a decent man, as he obviously feels at home with the dominant political gang that equates Bush with Hitler.

Would you say the same thing, Mr. Sopopo, if it were Bill Clinton's Administration floating the idea of postponing the election? (silence). I didn't think so! No matter. What I find most encouraging is the number of Republicans who do oppose the idea.

I, for one, don't equate Bush with Hitler in the sense of being a racist madman who would single out an entire group of people for termination. He may be against gay marraige, but I certainly don't believe he'd ever order them rounded up and killed!

However, with all this talk about postponing E2K4 in the name of "Homeland Security", I can't help but recall that like Bush, Hitler initially was democratically elected as well.

And so, with the mere discussion of election postponement, still another domino is toppling and about to fall. We're in the Cascade Phase of 4T, folks.

Originally Posted by sopopo

Originally Posted by Seadog '66

"A decent man should always be somewhat alienated from the herd, from the age he lives in, from the dominant political gangs. When you feel at home in a world that has gone wrong, you?ve gone wrong too." -- Joseph Sobran

Seadog is apparently not a decent man, as he obviously feels at home with the dominant political gang that equates Bush with Hitler.

1.) I performed a Google search on "sopopo". Here's what I found:

a.) a poster from Kwangyang, South Korea on a guestbook for a travel web page and on a Korea tribute page on a Japanese web site;

b.) a throwaway mention in a college parody of Pravda;

c.) a term mentioned in a paper in French from the Purdue Math Department;

d.) a surname found in the records of Caldwell County and Bexar County, TEXAS; and

e.) part of the Laotian name for Laos.

2.) Does anyone think any of these have anything to do with our most recent member? Or has anyone else noticed that his posts:

a.) betray a history of lurking at this site, or being told by a regular here what to look for; and

b.) coincide with Marc Lamb not posting here as Devil's Advocate?

Hmmm...

:idea:

3. Or could we have been infiltrated by an agent of the



Republican Noise Machine?

Can a cascade begin in slow motion?

Originally Posted by Vince Lamb '59

Originally Posted by sopopo

Originally Posted by Seadog '66

"A decent man should always be somewhat alienated from the herd, from the age he lives in, from the dominant political gangs. When you feel at home in a world that has gone wrong, you?ve gone wrong too." -- Joseph Sobran

Seadog is apparently not a decent man, as he obviously feels at home with the dominant political gang that equates Bush with Hitler.

1.) I performed a Google search on "sopopo". Here's what I found:

a.) a poster from Kwangyang, South Korea on a guestbook for a travel web page and on a Korea tribute page on a Japanese web site;

b.) a throwaway mention in a college parody of Pravda;

c.) a term mentioned in a paper in French from the Purdue Math Department;

d.) a surname found in the records of Caldwell County and Bexar County, TEXAS; and

e.) part of the Laotian name for Laos.

2.) Does anyone think any of these have anything to do with our most recent member? Or has anyone else noticed that his posts:

a.) betray a history of lurking at this site, or being told by a regular here what to look for; and

b.) coincide with Marc Lamb not posting here as Devil's Advocate?

Hmmm...

:idea:

Could we have been infiltrated by an agent of the



Republican Noise Machine?

Hohoho! (Ed McMahon laugh) Hiyo!

Could it be Monsieur Douchebag? He certainly has been keeping a low profile, at least as Devil's Advocate. Maybe rushlimbaugh.com been down for a number of days now?





Kevin & Brian & whoever else:

Let the record show that the possibility of the Bush people suspending the 2004 elections was discussed here perhaps at least two years ago. I for one suggested that E2K may prove to be the last presidential election in American history. To properly discern the true spirit which drives the Bush people is to ascertain that they will stop at nothing to suspend elections if they think they can get away with it. Fortunately for us, they might not think they can get away with it. Otherwise it is a done deal.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Calling the King Over the Water, calling the King Over the Water: "democracy" is doomed to failure; we need you.

Sopopo is not Marc Lamb. The style is all wrong. Marc thinks in visual images rather than linear logic, and his arguments all consist of trying to create a mood or an emotional response rather than anything most people would recognize as rational thought. Sopopo is simply an incoherent babbler. There is no comparison.

Incidentally, I said quite some time back that Bush is more a Napoleon, or maybe a Musolini, than a Hitler. His crusade for democracy is Napoleonic, and this business about trying to cancel the election is Fascist, but he's not racist enough to be a Nazi.

Fortunately, he doesn't have half the brains of any of those three. He may try to impose a dictatorship but I don't think he has the ability to succeed.

Originally Posted by Tim Walker

Can a cascade begin in slow motion?

Sure, why not? Where is it written that the current 4T must play out in precisely the same (or even similar) fashion to the last one? We could end up cascading until 2009, but if in 2015 people look back to the day when everything started to go terribly wrong, and think immediately of 9/11, 2004 will be considered part of the Crisis era.

Originally Posted by Seadog '66

Originally Posted by Vince Lamb '59

Originally Posted by sopopo

Originally Posted by Seadog '66

"A decent man should always be somewhat alienated from the herd, from the age he lives in, from the dominant political gangs. When you feel at home in a world that has gone wrong, you’ve gone wrong too." -- Joseph Sobran

Seadog is apparently not a decent man, as he obviously feels at home with the dominant political gang that equates Bush with Hitler.

1.) I performed a Google search on "sopopo". Here's what I found:

a.) a poster from Kwangyang, South Korea on a guestbook for a travel web page and on a Korea tribute page on a Japanese web site;

b.) a throwaway mention in a college parody of Pravda;

c.) a term mentioned in a paper in French from the Purdue Math Department;

d.) a surname found in the records of Caldwell County and Bexar County, TEXAS; and

e.) part of the Laotian name for Laos.

2.) Does anyone think any of these have anything to do with our most recent member? Or has anyone else noticed that his posts:

a.) betray a history of lurking at this site, or being told by a regular here what to look for; and

b.) coincide with Marc Lamb not posting here as Devil's Advocate?

Hmmm...

:idea:

Could we have been infiltrated by an agent of the



Republican Noise Machine?

Hohoho! (Ed McMahon laugh) Hiyo!

Could it be Monsieur Douchebag? He certainly has been keeping a low profile, at least as Devil's Advocate. Maybe rushlimbaugh.com been down for a number of days now?





Kevin & Brian & whoever else:

Let the record show that the possibility of the Bush people suspending the 2004 elections was discussed here perhaps at least two years ago. I for one suggested that E2K may prove to be the last presidential election in American history. To properly discern the true spirit which drives the Bush people is to ascertain that they will stop at nothing to suspend elections if they think they can get away with it. Fortunately for us, they might not think they can get away with it. Otherwise it is a done deal.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Calling the King Over the Water, calling the King Over the Water: "democracy" is doomed to failure; we need you.

My brother visited New Zealand awhile back and was quite enamoured by the country. Hmmm....wonder if there'll be an opening with the NZ Ministry of Transport in a few years ...

Originally Posted by Brian Rush

Sopopo is not Marc Lamb. The style is all wrong. Marc thinks in visual images rather than linear logic, and his arguments all consist of trying to create a mood or an emotional response rather than anything most people would recognize as rational thought. Sopopo is simply an incoherent babbler. There is no comparison.

Incidentally, I said quite some time back that Bush is more a Napoleon, or maybe a Musolini, than a Hitler. His crusade for democracy is Napoleonic, and this business about trying to cancel the election is Fascist, but he's not racist enough to be a Nazi.

Fortunately, he doesn't have half the brains of any of those three. He may try to impose a dictatorship but I don't think he has the ability to succeed.

For that matter, why should we suppose that this whole suspension business is Bush's idea anyway, Brian? If you ask me, it has Cheney/Ashcroft written all over it. It's a trial balloon to see if they can, perhaps, "get away with it" as Seadog put it. And unlike Bush himself, these guys (along with Rumsfeld, Powell and Rice) DO have the brains to make it succeed if they can somehow pull off the coup in the first place. At least until the next Awakening :shock:

I don't actually agree that it's possible, Kevin. The American people are too dead set against it. Even if the military got behind Bush on this one (far from a certainty), widespread civil disobedience in the form of refusal to pay taxes, refusal to cooperate on the state level with the federal government, refusal to work in arms businesses, maybe even domestic terrorist activity, would result. No need to wait for the Awakening; we're in a social moment now -- or if not, we sure would be after that!

It would be a national disaster, of course. On par with the Civil War.

Originally Posted by Brian Rush

Sopopo is not Marc Lamb. The style is all wrong. Marc thinks in visual images rather than linear logic, and his arguments all consist of trying to create a mood or an emotional response rather than anything most people would recognize as rational thought.

Ah, now that's insightful! So if I started posting comics and cartoons, I'd be on his wavelength?

Sopopo is simply an incoherent babbler. There is no comparison.

Yeah, the trolls are out tonight.

Incidentally, I said quite some time back that Bush is more a Napoleon, or maybe a Musolini, than a Hitler. His crusade for democracy is Napoleonic, and this business about trying to cancel the election is Fascist, but he's not racist enough to be a Nazi.

I think Virgil agrees with you.

Fortunately, he doesn't have half the brains of any of those three. He may try to impose a dictatorship but I don't think he has the ability to succeed.

We can always hope (although, I think Kevin provides a counterargument).

Originally Posted by Vince Lamb '59

Originally Posted by Brian Rush

Incidentally, I said quite some time back that Bush is more a Napoleon, or maybe a Musolini, than a Hitler. His crusade for democracy is Napoleonic, and this business about trying to cancel the election is Fascist, but he's not racist enough to be a Nazi.

I think Virgil agrees with you.

I think Mr. Bush a Buonaparte, but not Napoleon. Joseph comes closer.

Bonapartism has infected the last three administrations with their penchant for Not-Wars abroad and propaganda at home.

NAFTA as Grand Empire.

A show of establishing "democracy" by means of Not-War in Panama, the Balkans, Mesopotamia.

Using the rhetoric of the American Founding to build Imperial Reach.

Draining National wealth and blood for chimerical ideas of glory and grandeur while making America hated the world around.

State bureaucratization of the education system and then of religion.

Breaking the myth of Invincibilty of Arms by economic realities.

Unlike other demagogues, Napoleon never deluded himself that his pronouncements represented the whole truth, but in his egotism he was unmoved by the prospect that the whole truth might catch up with him.
The European World Mr. Jerome Blum, et al. p. 469

Our Buonapartes are not quite so clear as to the limits of phantasy. The S.W.O.T.E. may be the Little Corporal aka Gray Champion. That her motto might be "Able was I ere I saw Elba" seems a possibility.

All this concern about "suspending" the election has a direct parallel to the Freepers who were concerned that Janet Reno would use FEMA to suspend the elections in 2000.

Do we have new students in the paranoid school of American politics?

Indeed; last time the the cascade began with economic adversity. This time it looks like it will be political-certainly if September 11th is counted as part of the Crisis.

In which case Election 2000 may someday become viewed as part of the Crisis.

Perhaps the Regeneracy may come before other types of Crisis blows, such as the Great Devaluation.

There are many possible actions. Boycotts of publications now seen as propaganda. Boycotts of businesses owned by known cronies. Strikes. Draft dodging.

Probably any number of passive-agressive techniques that would gum up the works and grind things to a halt.

Originally Posted by monoghan

All this concern about "suspending" the election has a direct parallel to the Freepers who were concerned that Janet Reno would use FEMA to suspend the elections in 2000.

Do we have new students in the paranoid school of American politics?

When you say things like this, I never can figure out whether you truly are that lacking in discernment or if you are simply dishonest. There is no "direct parallel" to the Clinton administration here. The Clinton people never stated directly or indirectly that they were looking for an excuse to suspend the elections. The Bush people now have. Would both the Clinton people and Bush people seize upon a "good" excuse to suspend elections? Arguably yes, since both are completely morally bankrupt, totally power hungry, and working for the same establishment masters. But only the Bush people have admitted that they would. It remains simple conjecture with the Clinton people, however it is now confirmed fact with the Bush people.

The mere mention of such a possibility betrays the profound sickness and evil which the Bush people represent (and have represented for at least four generations now). So what if some sort of "act" is "staged" somewhere in the country on Election Day? Why would somebody immediately translate that into a call for suspension of the elections nationally? Absurd! If it snows in Idaho such that local schools might be closed, why would anybody translate that into a call for closing ALL schools nationwide, including those in Florida and Hawaii? The only person who would think that way is someone who was looking for any old excuse to close every school in the nation. Similarly, the only person who would consider suspending elections nationally simply because something bad might happen somewhere in America on Election Day is someone who is looking for any old excuse to suspend elections nationally. The most basic discernment establishes that the Bush people are and always have been precisely this sort of habitually and unrepentantly deceitful Luciferian vermin. But now the Bush people have just admitted that they are.

"Democracy" is now firmly established to be a farce. Restore the Stuarts who will put this mercantile Roundhead trash which presumes to rule us in its proper place.

Originally Posted by sopopo

This is such a frickin non-issue, folks. You should be ashamed of wasting finger-muscles on it.

No election will ever be cancelled in the U.S. Ever. The worst that will happen is, the election will take place as scheduled, with extra days added to give people who are prevented from getting to the polls by an attack extra days to make it to the polls.

That's right, folks. It's just the opposite: an attack would lead to MORE democracy, not LESS.

Face it, this is yet another example of a run-of-the-mill government activity "thinking about the unthinkable" being blown out of proportion by a news media.

I have spent enough time in the Federal Government to know that what sopopo says may actually have some merit. At any rate, I hope so. :shock:

Chris, those are all valid points, and I agree that some kind of contingency planning should be underway, for the conventions, the debates, and Election Day itself.

But I think it's more a question of attitude.

We can't postpone an election based on something that might happen. We should assume that the election will go forward as scheduled. If something does happen, we will deal with it at that time.

Actually, Kiff, Bush was talking about doing it only if a terrorist attack occurred. However, it's an easy step from that contingency to "we have classified intelligence that . . ."

Heightened security around polling places -- screening for weapons and explosives, say -- is a much sounder idea than this. It's revealing that postponing the election is the first solution Bush League came up with.

Chris, it's quite simple: very few people have ever been prepared to put such action past Mr. Bush. His character is not respected, and his belief in democracy is not credited. For very good reasons, I might add. Yet our system of government is designed to discourage attempts to impose dictatorship or monarchy, and because of that -- and ONLY because of that -- belief that Bush actually would (as opposed to wanting to) try to create one have been confined to the unbalanced fringe.

But suggestions such as this can only feed such fears.

Originally Posted by Seadog '66

Originally Posted by monoghan

All this concern about "suspending" the election has a direct parallel to the Freepers who were concerned that Janet Reno would use FEMA to suspend the elections in 2000.

Do we have new students in the paranoid school of American politics?

When you say things like this, I never can figure out whether you truly are that lacking in discernment or if you are simply dishonest. There is no "direct parallel" to the Clinton administration here. The Clinton people never stated directly or indirectly that they were looking for an excuse to suspend the elections. The Bush people now have. Would both the Clinton people and Bush people seize upon a "good" excuse to suspend elections? Arguably yes, since both are completely morally bankrupt, totally power hungry, and working for the same establishment masters. But only the Bush people have admitted that they would. It remains simple conjecture with the Clinton people, however it is now confirmed fact with the Bush people.

The mere mention of such a possibility betrays the profound sickness and evil which the Bush people represent (and have represented for at least four generations now). So what if some sort of "act" is "staged" somewhere in the country on Election Day? Why would somebody immediately translate that into a call for suspension of the elections nationally? Absurd! If it snows in Idaho such that local schools might be closed, why would anybody translate that into a call for closing ALL schools nationwide, including those in Florida and Hawaii? The only person who would think that way is someone who was looking for any old excuse to close every school in the nation. Similarly, the only person who would consider suspending elections nationally simply because something bad might happen somewhere in America on Election Day is someone who is looking for any old excuse to suspend elections nationally. The most basic discernment establishes that the Bush people are and always have been precisely this sort of habitually and unrepentantly deceitful Luciferian vermin. But now the Bush people have just admitted that they are.

"Democracy" is now firmly established to be a farce. Restore the Stuarts who will put this mercantile Roundhead trash which presumes to rule us in its proper place.

Why must I lack discernment or be dishonest? Why not both? And it IS a direct parallel between 2000 and 2004 where the administration's opponents puff up some lawyer's memo and claim it as policy. [Unless you want to dispute what the meaning of "is' is.] The parallel is drawn between those who react to such claims, not whether the underlying claims are true. (Just because you are paranoid does not mean that they really are not after you.)

Another parallel, (similarity) if you would, is between the claims in 1992 that Bush Senior would round up the gays and put them in concentration camps to protect the heteros from AIDS and those made this year.

However, you really do not belong in the parnoid school of American politics. You must be in the paranoid school of Cavalier politics.

**********************

"Thousand Year Ranch"......what a delicious phrase.

Originally Posted by monoghan

Originally Posted by Seadog '66

Originally Posted by monoghan

All this concern about "suspending" the election has a direct parallel to the Freepers who were concerned that Janet Reno would use FEMA to suspend the elections in 2000.

Do we have new students in the paranoid school of American politics?

When you say things like this, I never can figure out whether you truly are that lacking in discernment or if you are simply dishonest. There is no "direct parallel" to the Clinton administration here. The Clinton people never stated directly or indirectly that they were looking for an excuse to suspend the elections. The Bush people now have. Would both the Clinton people and Bush people seize upon a "good" excuse to suspend elections? Arguably yes, since both are completely morally bankrupt, totally power hungry, and working for the same establishment masters. But only the Bush people have admitted that they would. It remains simple conjecture with the Clinton people, however it is now confirmed fact with the Bush people.

The mere mention of such a possibility betrays the profound sickness and evil which the Bush people represent (and have represented for at least four generations now). So what if some sort of "act" is "staged" somewhere in the country on Election Day? Why would somebody immediately translate that into a call for suspension of the elections nationally? Absurd! If it snows in Idaho such that local schools might be closed, why would anybody translate that into a call for closing ALL schools nationwide, including those in Florida and Hawaii? The only person who would think that way is someone who was looking for any old excuse to close every school in the nation. Similarly, the only person who would consider suspending elections nationally simply because something bad might happen somewhere in America on Election Day is someone who is looking for any old excuse to suspend elections nationally. The most basic discernment establishes that the Bush people are and always have been precisely this sort of habitually and unrepentantly deceitful Luciferian vermin. But now the Bush people have just admitted that they are.

"Democracy" is now firmly established to be a farce. Restore the Stuarts who will put this mercantile Roundhead trash which presumes to rule us in its proper place.

Why must I lack discernment or be dishonest? Why not both? And it IS a direct parallel between 2000 and 2004 where the administration's opponents puff up some lawyer's memo and claim it as policy. [Unless you want to dispute what the meaning of "is' is.] The parallel is drawn between those who react to such claims, not whether the underlying claims are true. (Just because you are paranoid does not mean that they really are not after you.)

Another parallel, (similarity) if you would, is between the claims in 1992 that Bush Senior would round up the gays and put them in concentration camps to protect the heteros from AIDS and those made this year.

However, you really do not belong in the parnoid school of American politics. You must be in the paranoid school of Cavalier politics.

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"Thousand Year Ranch"......what a delicious phrase.

OK, you are simply dishonest. Just more evasion and sophistry. I believe you do indeed discern the true nature of the Bush people; it just does not bother you. That seems to be par for the course anymore with a wide cross-section of Americans.

It might be fun to join the Bush forces. As a "patriotic American," I'll see what I can do about extending the "Bush doctrine" on elections to the area of child safety. Next time it snows in Northern Idaho, let's get those schools closed nationwide. And let's get those schools closed in Hawaii and Florida even if it snows in Northern Idaho on Friday night and is supposed to be completely melted by Monday morning when classes resume. Hey, this is nothing more than "pre-emption" applied to every facet of life.

Originally Posted by Seadog '66

OK, you are simply dishonest. Just more evasion and sophistry. I believe you do indeed discern the true nature of the Bush people; it just does not bother you. That seems to be par for the course anymore with a wide cross-section of Americans.

It might be fun to join the Bush forces. As a "patriotic American," I'll see what I can do about extending the "Bush doctrine" on elections to the area of child safety. Next time it snows in Northern Idaho, let's get those schools closed nationwide. And let's get those schools closed in Hawaii and Florida even if it snows in Northern Idaho on Friday night and is supposed to be completely melted by Monday morning when classes resume. Hey, this is nothing more than "pre-emption" applied to every facet of life.

You realize, of course, the religious foundations of the "No Child Left Behind" Act. Simply to implement the "Left Behind" books!

Coincidence?

Originally Posted by monoghan

Originally Posted by Seadog '66

OK, you are simply dishonest. Just more evasion and sophistry. I believe you do indeed discern the true nature of the Bush people; it just does not bother you. That seems to be par for the course anymore with a wide cross-section of Americans.

It might be fun to join the Bush forces. As a "patriotic American," I'll see what I can do about extending the "Bush doctrine" on elections to the area of child safety. Next time it snows in Northern Idaho, let's get those schools closed nationwide. And let's get those schools closed in Hawaii and Florida even if it snows in Northern Idaho on Friday night and is supposed to be completely melted by Monday morning when classes resume. Hey, this is nothing more than "pre-emption" applied to every facet of life.

You realize, of course, the religious foundations of the "No Child Left Behind" Act. Simply to implement the "Left Behind" books!

Coincidence?

Huh?

Never mind. Just get the next round.