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Post#9026 at 09-22-2004 05:07 PM by Virgil K. Saari [at '49er, north of the Mesabi Mountains joined Jun 2001 #posts 7,835]
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Federal Tax Farming

It is heartening to see the Bush Progressives go after the loot in the coffers of the coffin-nail salespersons? Big Tobacco as cash cow? The trial lawyers have laid the path for the Ashcroftian Army of tax-farmers.

It's not a tax hike; it's a judge's award. :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:







Post#9027 at 09-22-2004 09:15 PM by Roadbldr '59 [at Vancouver, Washington joined Jul 2001 #posts 8,275]
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On the Drive At Five this afternoon, the local Top 40 Station here in Portland played a #1 hit from 2000, and described it as being from "Back In The Day".

Back in the day??? 2000? Wasn't it just yesterday?

3T or 4T?







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Quote Originally Posted by Roadbldr '59
On the Drive At Five this afternoon, the local Top 40 Station here in Portland played a #1 hit from 2000, and described it as being from "Back In The Day".

Back in the day??? 2000? Wasn't it just yesterday?

3T or 4T?
Ewww!

You listen to Z-100?!? :?







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Quote Originally Posted by Justin '77
Quote Originally Posted by Roadbldr '59
On the Drive At Five this afternoon, the local Top 40 Station here in Portland played a #1 hit from 2000, and described it as being from "Back In The Day".

Back in the day??? 2000? Wasn't it just yesterday?

3T or 4T?
Ewww!

You listen to Z-100?!? :?
It was back in the day for their key market, most of whom probably had yet to grow pubes in the last year of the 20th century







Post#9030 at 09-23-2004 12:45 PM by antichrist [at I'm in the Big City now, boy! joined Sep 2003 #posts 1,655]
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I was watching CMT this morning, and it occurred to me that their demographic is already in 4t crisis mode, judging by the iconography. soldiers, ww2, the 40s, an ideological committment to their philosophy of choice.

And it seems different than country music of ten years ago. That still had morality tales and nostalgia, but less of the aggressive, committed, ideological tone.

So we're in a split 4t. At least for a while.







Post#9031 at 09-28-2004 12:55 PM by Croakmore [at The hazardous reefs of Silentium joined Nov 2001 #posts 2,426]
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Bastards!

From my take on the political leadership situation in this country, America is impoverished nearly beyond repair ? without a 4T Crisis, that is. Well, I say bring it on! Things have gotten so bad, politically speaking, that this November will be the first time in my adult life I will not vote for a presidential candidate. Neither one is worth a spit in the ocean. In fact, they are both dangerous as hell. And the laterally limp presence of liberals, led by the likes of Ted Kennedy and various Hollywood chicks and roosters, is overbalanced on the right by evangelistic Christians and NRA-niks with bullet envy. Old values are out the window: thriftiness, resource conservation, civility, propriety, liberty; sadly replaced by overt dogmatism, reactionary patriotism, consumerism, indebtedness, state-sponsored gambling, and global truculence. Damn those bastards!

Personally, I?m looking forward to that sweet, sweet 4T Crisis. Hey, why not? Jesus is supposed to show up for it; I?ve got literary proof of that.

Take heed, Fourth Turniacs, this pit bull called America has broken loose from it tether. May the Good Lord help us now, no matter Whom or What that may be. We need divine intervention for sure. Otherwise it?s natural selection. And we don?t what Darwin to be right, do we?

-- Croakmore







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Y'know, the frog may be right.







Post#9033 at 09-28-2004 02:17 PM by Zarathustra [at Where the Northwest meets the Southwest joined Mar 2003 #posts 9,198]
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Re: Bastards!

Quote Originally Posted by Croakmore
From my take on the political leadership situation in this country, America is impoverished nearly beyond repair ? without a 4T Crisis, that is. Well, I say bring it on! Things have gotten so bad, politically speaking, that this November will be the first time in my adult life I will not vote for a presidential candidate. Neither one is worth a spit in the ocean. In fact, they are both dangerous as hell. And the laterally limp presence of liberals, led by the likes of Ted Kennedy and various Hollywood chicks and roosters, is overbalanced on the right by evangelistic Christians and NRA-niks with bullet envy. Old values are out the window: thriftiness, resource conservation, civility, propriety, liberty; sadly replaced by overt dogmatism, reactionary patriotism, consumerism, indebtedness, state-sponsored gambling, and global truculence. Damn those bastards!

Personally, I?m looking forward to that sweet, sweet 4T Crisis. Hey, why not? Jesus is supposed to show up for it; I?ve got literary proof of that.

Take heed, Fourth Turniacs, this pit bull called America has broken loose from it tether. May the Good Lord help us now, no matter Whom or What that may be. We need divine intervention for sure. Otherwise it?s natural selection. And we don?t what Darwin to be right, do we?

-- Croakmore
You're still with the siren, right?
Americans have had enough of glitz and roar . . Foreboding has deepened, and spiritual currents have darkened . . .
THE FOURTH TURNING IS AT HAND.
See T4T, p. 253.







Post#9034 at 09-28-2004 07:00 PM by Croakmore [at The hazardous reefs of Silentium joined Nov 2001 #posts 2,426]
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Yes, Will, the mermaid and I are doing fine. She happens to be Russian, and the other day she asked me when America is going to have its perestroika. I said we already had one a long time ago. She said it wasn't very obvious.







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Re: Bastards on the Left!

Quote Originally Posted by Croakmore
We need divine intervention for sure. Otherwise it?s natural selection.
I would think the two are only so "mutually exclusive" to those who typically can't see the forest for the trees. Like Eric Meece, and, uh, post-modern liberals, Progressives, Leftist wackos, pro-Coal buring environmentalists, Brian Rush, um, ___________ etc., etc.

I do suppose, however, there is such a thing as unnatural selection. Didn't Stalin and the Soviet Union try that one? :wink:







Post#9036 at 09-28-2004 07:31 PM by Zarathustra [at Where the Northwest meets the Southwest joined Mar 2003 #posts 9,198]
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Re: Bastards on the Left!

Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate
Quote Originally Posted by Croakmore
We need divine intervention for sure. Otherwise it?s natural selection.
I would think the two are only so "mutually exclusive" to those who typically can't see the forest for the trees. Like Eric Meece, and, uh, post-modern liberals, Progressives, Leftist wackos, pro-Coal buring environmentalists, Brian Rush, um, ___________ etc., etc.

I do suppose, however, there is such a thing as unnatural selection. Didn't Stalin and the Soviet Union try that one? :wink:
Don't forget your hero with the funny, short mustache.
Americans have had enough of glitz and roar . . Foreboding has deepened, and spiritual currents have darkened . . .
THE FOURTH TURNING IS AT HAND.
See T4T, p. 253.







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Yes, D. A., around the time America segregated blacks and made them use the back door. Both countries got over their evolutionary ordeals -- natural selection of one kind or another. But, Marc, why bother me with this when you've got all those parasites to worry about? FDR sure did breed a lot of social parasites, didn't he?

My best to the sheep.

--Croakmore







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Quote Originally Posted by Croakmore
Yes, around the time America segregated blacks and made them use the back door. Both countries got over their evolutionary ordeals -- natural selection of one kind or another. But, Marc, why bother me with this when you've got all those parasites to worry about? FDR sure did breed a lot of social parasites, didn't he?

My best to the sheep.

--Croakmore
Don't let him get you down Mr. E. His black-hearted ways will be selected against in time.
Americans have had enough of glitz and roar . . Foreboding has deepened, and spiritual currents have darkened . . .
THE FOURTH TURNING IS AT HAND.
See T4T, p. 253.







Post#9039 at 09-28-2004 08:41 PM by Croakmore [at The hazardous reefs of Silentium joined Nov 2001 #posts 2,426]
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He's almost as bad as Boris (a Russian!), on the old Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons.







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Quote Originally Posted by Croakmore
Yes, D. A., around the time America segregated blacks and made them use the back door. Both countries got over their evolutionary ordeals -- natural selection of one kind or another. But, Marc, why bother me with this when you've got all those parasites to worry about? FDR sure did breed a lot of social parasites, didn't he?
Excuse me? The birth of Republican Party, in 1854, coincided with the determined direction of the Democratic Party to fight to the bloody death to keep their fellow black "human beings," enslaved. And this so-called chivalrous "honorable determination" was not overcome until that same Republican Party finally broke the Democrat Party's 54 day filibuster, led by the honorable "conscience of the senate" Robert Byrd, of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Whachu talkin' 'bout, Willis, save out both sides of your phony, radical liberal mouth, frog? As far as FDR goes, please cite any evidence you might have at your disposal of how FDR helped black folks during the Depression, or how he even lifted a finger against that bastion of the Democratic Party, the "Solid South," to end the hideous nightmare of lynchings going on in Warm Springs, Georgia, dude.

Put up, or shut up, froggy!







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I remember when Boris said to Natasha: "Ve must capture dare minds, my darlink, and turn zem into Communists."







Post#9042 at 09-28-2004 10:51 PM by Zarathustra [at Where the Northwest meets the Southwest joined Mar 2003 #posts 9,198]
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Quote Originally Posted by Croakmore
I remember when Boris said to Natasha: "Ve must capture dare minds, my darlink, and turn zem into Communists."
And this schmuck is about as good at it as Boris, eh?
Americans have had enough of glitz and roar . . Foreboding has deepened, and spiritual currents have darkened . . .
THE FOURTH TURNING IS AT HAND.
See T4T, p. 253.







Post#9043 at 09-28-2004 10:54 PM by Zarathustra [at Where the Northwest meets the Southwest joined Mar 2003 #posts 9,198]
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Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate
Quote Originally Posted by Croakmore
Yes, D. A., around the time America segregated blacks and made them use the back door. Both countries got over their evolutionary ordeals -- natural selection of one kind or another. But, Marc, why bother me with this when you've got all those parasites to worry about? FDR sure did breed a lot of social parasites, didn't he?
Excuse me? The birth of Republican Party, in 1854, coincided with the determined direction of the Democratic Party to fight to the bloody death to keep their fellow black "human beings," enslaved. And this so-called chivalrous "honorable determination" was not overcome until that same Republican Party finally broke the Democrat Party's 54 day filibuster, led by the honorable "conscience of the senate" Robert Byrd, of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Whachu talkin' 'bout, Willis, save out both sides of your phony, radical liberal mouth, frog? As far as FDR goes, please cite any evidence you might have at your disposal of how FDR helped black folks during the Depression, or how he even lifted a finger against that bastion of the Democratic Party, the "Solid South," to end the hideous nightmare of lynchings going on in Warm Springs, Georgia, dude.

Put up, or shut up, froggy!
Translating Batrachian for the RETARDED in the room:

"It has happened here before and it can happen again."
Americans have had enough of glitz and roar . . Foreboding has deepened, and spiritual currents have darkened . . .
THE FOURTH TURNING IS AT HAND.
See T4T, p. 253.







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Quote Originally Posted by William Jennings Bryan
Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate
The birth of Republican Party, in 1854, coincided with the determined direction of the Democratic Party to fight to the bloody death to keep their fellow black "human beings," enslaved. And this so-called chivalrous "honorable determination" was not overcome until that same Republican Party finally broke the Democrat Party's 54 day filibuster, led by the honorable "conscience of the senate" Robert Byrd, of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Whachu talkin' 'bout, Willis, save out both sides of your phony, radical liberal mouth, frog? As far as FDR goes, please cite any evidence you might have at your disposal of how FDR helped black folks during the Depression, or how he even lifted a finger against that bastion of the Democratic Party, the "Solid South," to end the hideous nightmare of lynchings going on in Warm Springs, Georgia, dude.

Put up, or shut up, froggy!
Translating Batrachian for the RETARDED in the room: "It has happened here before and it can happen again."
Oh, absolutely. Robert Byrd's racist, bigoted ghost lives still... in the PC-invested Democrat Party of Hillary Clinton. Translated, that means you haven't an argument to anything I said, save a few forged documents that speak the supposed "truth" anyway. For all your politically correct "shake-down" of America, since Xers were born, and playing the constant "draggin' Richard Byrd" race-card at every turn, your side is still losing the argument.

So, how's insanity feel, anyway, jerk? :wink:







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nah-nah-ne nah-nah.
So you're going to be the guy we will be fighting in the streets? :shock:
No problem.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt







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Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate
So, how's insanity feel, anyway, jerk? :wink:
:lol:

I don't know Trog. I think you'd be more qualified to answer that question.
Americans have had enough of glitz and roar . . Foreboding has deepened, and spiritual currents have darkened . . .
THE FOURTH TURNING IS AT HAND.
See T4T, p. 253.







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Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate
Quote Originally Posted by Croakmore
Yes, D. A., around the time America segregated blacks and made them use the back door. Both countries got over their evolutionary ordeals -- natural selection of one kind or another. But, Marc, why bother me with this when you've got all those parasites to worry about? FDR sure did breed a lot of social parasites, didn't he?
Excuse me? The birth of Republican Party, in 1854, coincided with the determined direction of the Democratic Party to fight to the bloody death to keep their fellow black "human beings," enslaved. And this so-called chivalrous "honorable determination" was not overcome until that same Republican Party finally broke the Democrat Party's 54 day filibuster, led by the honorable "conscience of the senate" Robert Byrd, of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Whachu talkin' 'bout, Willis, save out both sides of your phony, radical liberal mouth, frog? As far as FDR goes, please cite any evidence you might have at your disposal of how FDR helped black folks during the Depression, or how he even lifted a finger against that bastion of the Democratic Party, the "Solid South," to end the hideous nightmare of lynchings going on in Warm Springs, Georgia, dude.

Put up, or shut up, froggy!
What Marc conveniently forgets, of course, is that at least until the 1930s...and arguably right up until the 1960s...Republicans in general were the LIBERALS, and the Democrats were the conservatives. Or perhaps that is his overall point. It is so difficult to tell with him, sometimes.







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Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate
Quote Originally Posted by Croakmore
Yes, D. A., around the time America segregated blacks and made them use the back door. Both countries got over their evolutionary ordeals -- natural selection of one kind or another. But, Marc, why bother me with this when you've got all those parasites to worry about? FDR sure did breed a lot of social parasites, didn't he?
Excuse me? The birth of Republican Party, in 1854, coincided with the determined direction of the Democratic Party to fight to the bloody death to keep their fellow black "human beings," enslaved. And this so-called chivalrous "honorable determination" was not overcome until that same Republican Party finally broke the Democrat Party's 54 day filibuster, led by the honorable "conscience of the senate" Robert Byrd, of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Whachu talkin' 'bout, Willis, save out both sides of your phony, radical liberal mouth, frog? As far as FDR goes, please cite any evidence you might have at your disposal of how FDR helped black folks during the Depression, or how he even lifted a finger against that bastion of the Democratic Party, the "Solid South," to end the hideous nightmare of lynchings going on in Warm Springs, Georgia, dude.

Put up, or shut up, froggy!
What Marc conveniently forgets, of course, is that at least until the 1930s...and arguably right up until the 1960s...Republicans in general were the LIBERALS, and the Democrats were the conservatives. Or perhaps that is his overall point. It is so difficult to tell with him, sometimes.







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Quote Originally Posted by Roadbldr '59
Quote Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate
The birth of Republican Party, in 1854, coincided with the determined direction of the Democratic Party to fight to the bloody death to keep their fellow black "human beings," enslaved. And this so-called chivalrous "honorable determination" was not overcome until that same Republican Party finally broke the Democrat Party's 54 day filibuster, led by the honorable "conscience of the senate" Robert Byrd, of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

As far as FDR goes, please cite any evidence you might have at your disposal of how FDR helped black folks during the Depression, or how he even lifted a finger against that bastion of the Democratic Party, the "Solid South," to end the hideous nightmare of lynchings going on in Warm Springs, Georgia, dude.
What Marc conveniently forgets, of course, is that at least until the 1930s...and arguably right up until the 1960s...Republicans in general were the LIBERALS, and the Democrats were the conservatives. Or perhaps that is his overall point. It is so difficult to tell with him, sometimes.
From the National Review, Noemie Emery observes:
  • CBS, the old Tiffany network that was the gold standard in the days of the Murrow boys, is cracking up with a vengeance, in the same mode as some other old liberal entities that are also mired in woes. Like dissolute heirs to great fortunes, the descendants of the old Democrats, the Kennedys, and the civil-rights movement have been living for years on moral and political capital accrued 40 years earlier ? and have at last used it up. In their minds' eyes, they are FDR, JFK, Martin Luther King Jr., and Edward R. Murrow at their best. In real life, they are Jimmy Carter, Ted Kennedy, Al Sharpton, and, of course, Dan Rather. What all four have in common is a great future behind them, and prospects ahead that seem bleak.

    Between 1933 and 1965, between the Great Depression and the year the last civil-rights bill went through Congress, the Democrats turned in a stellar performance. If Franklin Roosevelt's grip on economics was never too keen, he did hold a dispirited country together in difficult times. He was one of the first to acknowledge the menace of Hitler, and when war came he pursued it with vision and ruthlessness. Harry S Truman picked up early on the danger of Stalin, and crafted the framework that would win the Cold War, backed up by other Democrats such as John Kennedy and Henry (Scoop) Jackson. Though not initially eager to take on the issue, Kennedy became the first president to define civil rights as a moral imperative, a cause his successor continued.

    But Johnson's second year, 1965, was a point of transition, and the party rapidly went off the rails. Since 1968, they have lost six of nine presidential elections; they have lost Congress and their role as majority party. They haven't had a good new idea or produced a real leader in more than four decades, and their old model ? a picture of FDR sitting beside Winston Churchill ? has been supplanted by one of Jimmy Carter sitting beside Michael Moore. You'd think this might tell them something, but they remain immune to argument, secure in the view they are still the vox populi. Can't anyone see who they were?
There's a cyclical history lesson in there, boys and girls, if you can bear to read it.







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Quote Originally Posted by William Jennings Bryan
Quote Originally Posted by Croakmore
Yes, around the time America segregated blacks and made them use the back door. Both countries got over their evolutionary ordeals -- natural selection of one kind or another. But, Marc, why bother me with this when you've got all those parasites to worry about? FDR sure did breed a lot of social parasites, didn't he?

My best to the sheep.

--Croakmore
Don't let him get you down Mr. E. His black-hearted ways will be selected against in time.
Well, WJB, you'd better get cracking then. The Devil has produced four little Devils and so far you've only produced one little WJB junior. 8)
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