I'm sure I've read all of the posts on this thread -- but not all at once -- probably within a few days after they were made.

And it goes off-topic from time to time, just like any other thread here does.

Originally Posted by Kiff 1961

I'm sure I've read all of the posts on this thread -- but not all at once -- probably within a few days after they were made.

And it goes off-topic from time to time, just like any other thread here does.

Ditto.

I think this applies to those regulars who joined the forum before or immediately after 9/11.

Coach Accused of Licking Players' Cuts

"Sometimes there are actions that are socially unacceptable or bizarre that aren't necessarily criminal," Sheriff Dave Burright said. "If he had done it against a student's wishes, at the very least we might have had harassment. But this contact wasn't forced or necessarily unwanted."

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Going down where else, but Salem.

Originally Posted by [color=red

GOPer 'Honest Abe', er Commie Wang Zhaoguo[/color]]"No sovereign state can tolerate secession, and every sovereign state has the right to use necessary means to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity"

Celestial Secesh Squash
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These latest two pronouncements from the Fed Reserve chairman seem like 4T rumblings on the horizon to me. Of course, we all know nothing's going to happen: the federal budget deficit will be maintained, people will continue to consume rather than save, and we'll delay the pain for later, because it's just easier that way.

Federal Reserve chief urges ?major actions' on budget deficit

Greenspan: Consumption Tax Could Help Economy

BTW, has Greenspan or anyone of his stature ever endorsed a consumption tax before? That means getting rid of income tax first. That's pretty revolutionary. Wait... :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow:

This article posted here for educational and discussion purposes only:

Boomers won't go quietly
By Ben Brown
Enough already with the baby boomer time bomb.
As debate over the future of Social Security and health care heats up, so does the imagery of The Coming Generational Storm, as the recent book by Laurence Kotlikoff and Scott Burns screams in its title. And that's a mild metaphor compared with what other commentators see in the approaching transition of 77 million baby boomers from workplace to whatever.

The first of the boomers, born between 1946 and 1964, turn 65 in 2011. By 2030, the 65-plus segment will account for something like 20% of the U.S. population, twice the 65-plus share in 2000. Hence the geezer glut. And hence, by inference, the certain shredding of the social safety net and the coming of the new Dark Age.

I'm offended, I have to admit. I'm one of the geezers-in-waiting, a boomer born in 1946 and heir to a presumption enjoyed during the past half-century that the universe pretty much revolves around us. In case you haven't heard, we are the most educated and affluent generation in world history. Our numbers have made us the moving bulge in the market, the pig in the python. We put the me in consume.

So now, after a career of changing everything we touched, we're expected to gum up the works with desperation in old age?

I don't think so.

A bogus premise

First of all, the image of old folks as desperate folks is bogus in general. Thanks in part to senior-friendly public policies during the past three decades, U.S. citizens over 65 belong to the age group least likely to live in poverty. Between 1984 and 2001, the median net worth of households headed by people 65-plus increased by 82% to $179,000. And when boomers move into that age group, the pot is expected to swell, along with the influence that comes with assets.

Second, no other generation has changed its personality as it aged. The Depression babies have remained, in general, thrifty to a fault. Current retirees who came of age in the 1950s look as if they will jitterbug into their 90s. Why should boomers stop being world-changers?

Marketers are betting we won't. Today in Philadelphia, the American Society on Aging and co-sponsors are throwing the second annual Boomer Business Summit, where attendees are invited to compete for a $10,000 grand prize for a business plan "that has the highest potential for success in the 50-plus market." Expect the good times to keep on rolling, says summit promotion material: "The boomers' future will be as creative as the past."

OK, not every boomer is going to be on the joy ride. That's because not everybody got on the bus to begin with. As they head through midlife, individuals within the boomer generation vary more from one another in terms of income and education than in any recent generation, says a 2004 study by two Duke University sociologists. In retirement, "some are going to be well off, some aren't," study co-author Mary Elizabeth Hughes says.

So, here's the question: Are there enough boomers with the means and the inclination to, first of all, relieve the pressure on everybody else to provide for boomers in old age, and then to maybe leave a little extra in the way of a positive legacy? Why not? We still have the advantage of demography.

"The sheer number of people can fill all the niches," says Ron Manheimer, the executive director of the North Carolina Center for Creative Retirement at the University of North Carolina at Asheville.

A generation's passion

Here are some healthy signs:

? Since 1988, Manheimer's center has been a regional nexus of leadership development, career transitioning and lifelong learning for older citizens. The passion for engaged lives in the current generation of retirees might just be a "rehearsal" for the bigger show when the boomers hit the same ages, Manheimer says.

? Marc Freedman, author of Prime Time: How Baby Boomers Will Revolutionize Retirement and Transform America, senses a potential "reawakening of idealism" among aging boomers. "I love this idea of an unfinished revolution," he says. "People want to feel this state of life is about something with purpose."

? In Boulder, Colo., organizers of the Elder Cohousing Network are discovering a burgeoning market for those seeking ways to take charge of designing their own communities in retirement. After launching a Web site six months ago, "we got something like 5,000 hits from individuals and groups in every state in the U.S.," says co-founder Neshama Abraham. So, on March 18, the network is hosting the first of three workshops on designing shared neighborhoods.

? Next January, as the first boomers begin turning 60, a partnership between the Harvard School of Public Health and the MetLife Foundation launches a campaign to capture the generation for a mentoring initiative. "Our message in January for boomers," says Jay Winsten, associate dean of the Harvard School of Public Health, "is, 'Happy birthday. Now what are you doing with the rest of your life?' "

Perfect question. We boomers can think of the coming years as a last chance to ditch the underachiever tag. Time to grow up before we die. If we're who we've imagined ourselves to be our entire lives, we have it in us to help resolve the toughest issues before the nation, including the tough issue of how to cope with so many of us growing old.

Ben Brown writes for Southern Living and its sister magazines and is a member of USA TODAY's board of contributors.

Didn't S&H predict that this kind of talk would start coming out of Boomers as the 4T becomes imminent?

I am questioning the validity of the last paragraph of the previous post. Interesting quote about growing up before we die, which turned a popular quote from the 60's (Hope I day before I grow old) on its ears. Don't you think that Boomer ditched the underachiever tag 20 years ago when the workaholic yuppies first made their mark on the world? To me the "I don't have time" syndrome is still very much a part of the culture.

Concerning 3T vs. 4T, could the new oil shock and continued demand outstripping supply be one of the triggers to set the 4T into motion?

More evidence of an approaching 4T, at least ITO the morals police picking up more steam at the 4T approaches (or begins)?

(This article posted here for educational and discussion purposes only)

Updated: 10:07 AM EST
Texas Lawmaker Seeks to End Sexy Cheerleading
'They're Shaking Their Behinds,' Says Democrat
By APRIL CASTRO, AP

AUSTIN (March 18, 2005) - The Friday night lights in Texas could soon be without bumpin' and grindin' cheerleaders. Legislation filed by Rep. Al Edwards would put an end to "sexually suggestive" performances at athletic events and other extracurricular competitions.

"It's just too sexually oriented, you know, the way they're shaking their behinds and going on, breaking it down," said Edwards, a 26-year veteran of the Texas House. "And then we say to them, 'don't get involved in sex unless it's marriage or love, it's dangerous out there' and yet the teachers and directors are helping them go through those kind of gyrations."

Under Edwards' bill, if a school district knowingly permits such a performance, funds from the state would be reduced in an amount to be determined by the education commissioner.

Edwards said he filed the bill as a result of several instances of seeing such ribald performances in his district.

J.M. Farias, owner of Austin Cheer Factory, said cheerleading aficionados would welcome the law. Cheering competitions, he said, penalize for suggestive movements or any vulgarity.

"Any coaches that are good won't put that in their routines," he said. And, most girls cheering on Friday nights were trained by professionals who know better, he said.

"I don't think this law would really shake the industry at all. In fact, it would give parents a better feeling, mostly dads and boyfriends, too," Farias said.

Although cheerleaders must meet the same no-pass, no-play academic requirements of athletes, cheerleading is not a competition sanctioned by the University Interscholastic League, the governing body of Texas high school sports.

The UIL also does not have performance regulations for squads who cheer for their teams at state championships, said Athletic Coordinator Peter Contreras.

"I think it should have been cut out a long time ago," Edwards said. "It surely needs to be toned down."


03/18/05 07:06 EST

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Originally Posted by Sabinus Invictus

More evidence of an approaching 4T, at least ITO the morals police picking up more steam at the 4T approaches (or begins)?

(This article posted here for educational and discussion purposes only)

Updated: 10:07 AM EST
Texas Lawmaker Seeks to End Sexy Cheerleading
'They're Shaking Their Behinds,' Says Democrat
By APRIL CASTRO, AP

AUSTIN (March 18, 2005) - The Friday night lights in Texas could soon be without bumpin' and grindin' cheerleaders. Legislation filed by Rep. Al Edwards would put an end to "sexually suggestive" performances at athletic events and other extracurricular competitions.

"It's just too sexually oriented, you know, the way they're shaking their behinds and going on, breaking it down," said Edwards, a 26-year veteran of the Texas House. "And then we say to them, 'don't get involved in sex unless it's marriage or love, it's dangerous out there' and yet the teachers and directors are helping them go through those kind of gyrations."

Under Edwards' bill, if a school district knowingly permits such a performance, funds from the state would be reduced in an amount to be determined by the education commissioner.

Edwards said he filed the bill as a result of several instances of seeing such ribald performances in his district.

J.M. Farias, owner of Austin Cheer Factory, said cheerleading aficionados would welcome the law. Cheering competitions, he said, penalize for suggestive movements or any vulgarity.

"Any coaches that are good won't put that in their routines," he said. And, most girls cheering on Friday nights were trained by professionals who know better, he said.

"I don't think this law would really shake the industry at all. In fact, it would give parents a better feeling, mostly dads and boyfriends, too," Farias said.

Although cheerleaders must meet the same no-pass, no-play academic requirements of athletes, cheerleading is not a competition sanctioned by the University Interscholastic League, the governing body of Texas high school sports.

The UIL also does not have performance regulations for squads who cheer for their teams at state championships, said Athletic Coordinator Peter Contreras.

"I think it should have been cut out a long time ago," Edwards said. "It surely needs to be toned down."


03/18/05 07:06 EST

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL.

I can't say I really disagree with them. Although I personally don't mind gazing upon nubile 18 year olds gyrating their rear ends on stage, at my age I can simply appreciate the beauty of their motions and call it good. Younger guys, being where they are in life, might on the other hand be much more motivated to hump half the women in the audience after seeing the perfomance. Insecure younger women might muse "hmmm... maybe if I shake my bootie like them, I can have guys crawling all over me too!" This is not good...we owe Millennials much more protection from themselves then we've been giving them.

Originally Posted by Roadbldr '59

Although I personally don't mind gazing upon nubile 18 year olds gyrating their rear ends on stage, at my age I can simply appreciate the beauty of their motions and call it good.

What, are you DEAD?!? :wink:

Originally Posted by Peter Gibbons

Originally Posted by Roadbldr '59

Although I personally don't mind gazing upon nubile 18 year olds gyrating their rear ends on stage, at my age I can simply appreciate the beauty of their motions and call it good.

What, are you DEAD?!? :wink:

No, but getting there! :-D

Originally Posted by Roadbldr '59

Originally Posted by Peter Gibbons

Originally Posted by Roadbldr '59

Although I personally don't mind gazing upon nubile 18 year olds gyrating their rear ends on stage, at my age I can simply appreciate the beauty of their motions and call it good.

What, are you DEAD?!? :wink:

No, but getting there! :-D

You forget sir, that I have MET you. You are far from dead from what I can tell.

Originally Posted by Sabinus Invictus

More evidence of an approaching 4T, at least ITO the morals police picking up more steam at the 4T approaches (or begins)?

(This article posted here for educational and discussion purposes only)

Updated: 10:07 AM EST
Texas Lawmaker Seeks to End Sexy Cheerleading
'They're Shaking Their Behinds,' Says Democrat
By APRIL CASTRO, AP

AUSTIN (March 18, 2005) - The Friday night lights in Texas could soon be without bumpin' and grindin' cheerleaders. Legislation filed by Rep. Al Edwards would put an end to "sexually suggestive" performances at athletic events and other extracurricular competitions.

"It's just too sexually oriented, you know, the way they're shaking their behinds and going on, breaking it down," said Edwards, a 26-year veteran of the Texas House. "And then we say to them, 'don't get involved in sex unless it's marriage or love, it's dangerous out there' and yet the teachers and directors are helping them go through those kind of gyrations."

Under Edwards' bill, if a school district knowingly permits such a performance, funds from the state would be reduced in an amount to be determined by the education commissioner.

Edwards said he filed the bill as a result of several instances of seeing such ribald performances in his district.

J.M. Farias, owner of Austin Cheer Factory, said cheerleading aficionados would welcome the law. Cheering competitions, he said, penalize for suggestive movements or any vulgarity.

"Any coaches that are good won't put that in their routines," he said. And, most girls cheering on Friday nights were trained by professionals who know better, he said.

"I don't think this law would really shake the industry at all. In fact, it would give parents a better feeling, mostly dads and boyfriends, too," Farias said.

Although cheerleaders must meet the same no-pass, no-play academic requirements of athletes, cheerleading is not a competition sanctioned by the University Interscholastic League, the governing body of Texas high school sports.

The UIL also does not have performance regulations for squads who cheer for their teams at state championships, said Athletic Coordinator Peter Contreras.

"I think it should have been cut out a long time ago," Edwards said. "It surely needs to be toned down."


03/18/05 07:06 EST

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Yeah, that's how I see it, too--a morals crackdown. 4Ts seem to be populist--economically left and socially authoritarian, yet politically liberal in the sense that either the common people are more empowered economically, the franchise is extended, or both.

Speaking of the transition to 4T, the more I look at the 1930s, the less I think that the media circus of the 1920s really abated at the start of the 4T. It seemed to shift focus to more heroic stunts, but the media was still interested in stunts. That might explain why reality TV and other aspects of the 1990s media circus persist today, even if it is 4T.

BTW, I posted this article on the "Whatever happened to Culture Wars on behalf of the kids?" topic, then found it here, so I deleted my post.

Originally Posted by Vince Lamb '59

Yeah, that's how I see it, too--a morals crackdown...

What? Thy crystal ball foresees no more ass licking? Per shame, my dear name-sake, per shame!

Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate

Originally Posted by Vince Lamb '59

If you enjoyed the article and want to put your money where your mouth is, click here.

8) We all know where your mouth has been!

Originally Posted by Vince Lamb '59

Since everyone else is squeamish about it, I'll tell you that rimming or a rimjob is having your anus licked. I've had it done to me once [Warning: Explicit adults only graphic]--it was quite pleasurable!

A 'morals crackdown' -- hmm

The more I think on it the more I believe that the Silent's last minute shift during the last week of the 2004 election was the source of the 'moral values' element that came out of nowhere. The folks I know were focused on the Iraq War, but Kerry failed to offer any alternative to Bush. Moral values was the apparent difference between the two. And now these same folks boohoo about Bush's stance on Social Security!

Originally Posted by Vince Lamb '59

Speaking of the transition to 4T, the more I look at the 1930s, the less I think that the media circus of the 1920s really abated at the start of the 4T. It seemed to shift focus to more heroic stunts, but the media was still interested in stunts. That might explain why reality TV and other aspects of the 1990s media circus persist today, even if it is 4T.

I heard a spot on NPR a few years ago talking about this very topic. They played clips as examples of what it was like before the censure. One memorable one was Barbara Stanwyck playing a wayward prostitute daughter verbally ripping her dad to shreds. Not one curse word but it was definitely disturbing, probably nothing to match it in films until at least the 90's.

I think the efforts to clean up Hollywood started in the late 20's, but the actually censure was put in place in 1934 (if I remember correctly). The sexual innuendo in films prior to this is pretty blatant from what I've seen, and they must have burned films like that Stanwyck one because I have never seen an old Hollywood film like that.

Originally Posted by DKG 1962

Originally Posted by Vince Lamb '59

Speaking of the transition to 4T, the more I look at the 1930s, the less I think that the media circus of the 1920s really abated at the start of the 4T. It seemed to shift focus to more heroic stunts, but the media was still interested in stunts. That might explain why reality TV and other aspects of the 1990s media circus persist today, even if it is 4T.

I heard a spot on NPR a few years ago talking about this very topic. They played clips as examples of what it was like before the censure. One memorable one was Barbara Stanwyck playing a wayward prostitute daughter verbally ripping her dad to shreds. Not one curse word but it was definitely disturbing, probably nothing to match it in films until at least the 90's.

I think the efforts to clean up Hollywood started in the late 20's, but the actually censure was put in place in 1934 (if I remember correctly). The sexual innuendo in films prior to this is pretty blatant from what I've seen, and they must have burned films like that Stanwyck one because I have never seen an old Hollywood film like that.

IIRC, when they established the Hayes Code, quite a few original prints of various films were destroyed. I can't swear to the truth of that, though.

Originally Posted by MaryT

A 'morals crackdown' -- hmm

The more I think on it the more I believe that the Silent's last minute shift during the last week of the 2004 election was the source of the 'moral values' element that came out of nowhere.

It didn't come from nowhere, it's been building up for many years. It's linked to the Iraq War, and to a number of other issues, too, but it's not a sudden, mysterious development.

Originally Posted by Brian Beecher

I am questioning the validity of the last paragraph of the previous post. Interesting quote about growing up before we die, which turned a popular quote from the 60's (Hope I day before I grow old) on its ears. Don't you think that Boomer ditched the underachiever tag 20 years ago when the workaholic yuppies first made their mark on the world? To me the "I don't have time" syndrome is still very much a part of the culture.

Concerning 3T vs. 4T, could the new oil shock and continued demand outstripping supply be one of the triggers to set the 4T into motion?

It could , but that may miss the point.

The 'trigger' probably can't work until the 'fuel' is dry enough. The fuel (IMHO) is now getting quite dry, but maybe not quite dry enough, yet. The 'water' in this metaphor is the cultural, economic, political, and social influence of the Silent, of course, if we assume the S&H theory is right.

Each Cycle is unique in its detail, and I've developed the suspicion that one of the uniquenesses (if that's a word) of our Cycle is that the Silent are more influential than the Adaptives usually have been, even if they didn't produce a President. This is making the fuel a little more 'damp' than it would otherwise be at a given time, if I'm right.

Originally Posted by DKG 1962

I think the efforts to clean up Hollywood started in the late 20's, but the actually censure was put in place in 1934 (if I remember correctly). The sexual innuendo in films prior to this is pretty blatant from what I've seen, and they must have burned films like that Stanwyck one because I have never seen an old Hollywood film like that.

A fair amount of these old movies were lost, but there are plenty that survived too. See this article on pre-Code Warner Bros. movies, most of which are apparently still available:

http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/17/04b_warner.html

And there's this article from the same site on "The Bad Girls of MGM":

http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/17/04a_badgirls.html

Originally Posted by HopefulCynic68

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It could , but that may miss the point.

The 'trigger' probably can't work until the 'fuel' is dry enough. The fuel (IMHO) is now getting quite dry, but maybe not quite dry enough, yet. The 'water' in this metaphor is the cultural, economic, political, and social influence of the Silent, of course, if we assume the S&H theory is right.

Each Cycle is unique in its detail, and I've developed the suspicion that one of the uniquenesses (if that's a word) of our Cycle is that the Silent are more influential than the Adaptives usually have been, even if they didn't produce a President. This is making the fuel a little more 'damp' than it would otherwise be at a given time, if I'm right.

If you are right about this, the 4T will not come until around 2008 or 2010.

Originally Posted by HopefulCynic68

Originally Posted by Brian Beecher

I am questioning the validity of the last paragraph of the previous post. Interesting quote about growing up before we die, which turned a popular quote from the 60's (Hope I day before I grow old) on its ears. Don't you think that Boomer ditched the underachiever tag 20 years ago when the workaholic yuppies first made their mark on the world? To me the "I don't have time" syndrome is still very much a part of the culture.

Concerning 3T vs. 4T, could the new oil shock and continued demand outstripping supply be one of the triggers to set the 4T into motion?

It could , but that may miss the point.

The 'trigger' probably can't work until the 'fuel' is dry enough. The fuel (IMHO) is now getting quite dry, but maybe not quite dry enough, yet. The 'water' in this metaphor is the cultural, economic, political, and social influence of the Silent, of course, if we assume the S&H theory is right.

Each Cycle is unique in its detail, and I've developed the suspicion that one of the uniquenesses (if that's a word) of our Cycle is that the Silent are more influential than the Adaptives usually have been, even if they didn't produce a President. This is making the fuel a little more 'damp' than it would otherwise be at a given time, if I'm right.

I think what could be unique about this cycle is the brevity of the American prophet generation. 1943-1960 is not a very long generation, especially compared to the 29-year Transcendental generation or even the 21-year Missionary generation.

Libertarian National Socialist Green Party

YSFOM :shock:

In March 2004, a chatroom participant tagged Todesengel ("angel of death") began a thread titled "Native American Nationalist?" and introduced himself as "Jeff Weise, a Native American from the Red Lake 'Indian' reservation in Minnesota". Todesengel expressed interest in joining the party and said he had done a great deal of research on Hitler, a man he much admired. Later in the thread, Todesengel changed his tag to NativeNazi.

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

Libertarian National Socialist Green Party

YSFOM :shock:

In March 2004, a chatroom participant tagged Todesengel ("angel of death") began a thread titled "Native American Nationalist?" and introduced himself as "Jeff Weise, a Native American from the Red Lake 'Indian' reservation in Minnesota". Todesengel expressed interest in joining the party and said he had done a great deal of research on Hitler, a man he much admired. Later in the thread, Todesengel changed his tag to NativeNazi.

Sort of scary isn't it. My mom's greatest concern is for the future of her grand kids. I share her concerns.