Originally Posted by Tom Mazanec

Can president order killing on US soil?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11180519/site/newsweek

You guys know that I am not a member of this President's fan club, but the scenarios outlined in the article seem like cases where killing is justified.

Mr. Hussein of Irak was compared to the leader of post-Weimar Germany.

Mr. Chavez of Venezuela has been compared to the leader of post-Weimar Germany.

Mr. Ahmadinejad of Iran has been compared to the leader of post-Weimar Germany.


Is this a mere trope that has stuck in Mr. Rumsfeld's aged whiggish cranium?

Or perhaps I am just ignorant of the location of Mr. Hitler's domestic oil wells. Can a 21st Century Schickelgruber exist in a non-oil rich land? Will there be a solar-array Hilter by mid-Century?

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

.... Can a 21st Century Schickelgruber exist in a non-oil rich land? Will there be a solar-array Hilter by mid-Century?

LOL Woot!

West Nebraska wind farms owners!!!

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

Or perhaps I am just ignorant of the location of Mr. Hitler's domestic oil wells. Can a 21st Century Schickelgruber exist in a non-oil rich land? Will there be a solar-array Hilter by mid-Century?

A lot of Hitler's oil wells were at Ploesti, Rumania. As far as I can tell, more people have been comparted to the leader of post Weimar Germany than there were oil wells in Ploesti.

Me, I think Goodwin's attempts to stifle free and open discussion on the internet can only be compared to Hitler's similar efforts to silence opposition in Germany. :wink:

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

Mr. Hussein of Irak was compared to the leader of post-Weimar Germany.

Mr. Chavez of Venezuela has been compared to the leader of post-Weimar Germany.

Mr. Ahmadinejad of Iran has been compared to the leader of post-Weimar Germany.


?

If I remember it right

Mr. Bush has been compared to Hitler

Mr. Cheney has been compared to Hitler

Mr. Rumsfeld has been compared to Hitler

even Miss Rice has been compared to Hitler and Hitler definitly didn´t had her legs

so I just want to know,

have you a problem with Mr. Hussein, Mr. Chavez, Mr. Ahmadinejad compared to Hitler because they are such a pair of fine gentlemen

or

because somebody violated the leftist monopoly to campare people to Hitler

Originally Posted by freivolk

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

Mr. Hussein of Irak was compared to the leader of post-Weimar Germany.

Mr. Chavez of Venezuela has been compared to the leader of post-Weimar Germany.

Mr. Ahmadinejad of Iran has been compared to the leader of post-Weimar Germany.


?

If I remember it right

Mr. Bush has been compared to Hitler

Mr. Cheney has been compared to Hitler

Mr. Rumsfeld has been compared to Hitler

even Miss Rice has been compared to Hitler and Hitler definitly didn´t had her legs

so I just want to know,

have you a problem with Mr. Hussein, Mr. Chavez, Mr. Ahmadinejad compared to Hitler because they are such a pair(sic)of fine gentlemen

or

because somebody violated the leftist monopoly to campare people to Hitler

If I am allowed a Third Choice as a Tertium Quid, I have a problem with the choice of the diminutive Austrian as the only emblem of foolish wickedness in the early 21st Century.

Is there no new Mussolini amongst the Children of Men, no new Stalin, no new Tamerlaine, no new Nero, no new Tojo, no new Agathocles?

I consider Mr. Rumsfeld a Progressive Whig. His use of cant is of the "leftist monopoly" sort if considered a Neo-Con man rather than just addled and not a Romantic Idealist.



For the record, I have posted that Mr. Bush is the equal of one of his cousins, a Bonaparte, not the "Little Corporal" but the King of Spain, Joseph who came to reside in New Jersey. It is Mr. Hugo Chavez and an Ohioan who compare Mr. Bush to that other corporal, and yes they are of the Progrerssive Persuasion.

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

Originally Posted by freivolk

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

Mr. Hussein of Irak was compared to the leader of post-Weimar Germany.

Mr. Chavez of Venezuela has been compared to the leader of post-Weimar Germany.

Mr. Ahmadinejad of Iran has been compared to the leader of post-Weimar Germany.


?

If I remember it right

Mr. Bush has been compared to Hitler

Mr. Cheney has been compared to Hitler

Mr. Rumsfeld has been compared to Hitler

even Miss Rice has been compared to Hitler and Hitler definitly didn´t had her legs

so I just want to know,

have you a problem with Mr. Hussein, Mr. Chavez, Mr. Ahmadinejad compared to Hitler because they are such a pair(sic)of fine gentlemen

or

because somebody violated the leftist monopoly to campare people to Hitler

If I am allowed a Third Choice as a Tertium Quid, I have a problem with the choice of the diminutive Austrian as the only emblem of foolish wickedness in the early 21st Century.

Is there no new Mussolini amongst the Children of Men, no new Stalin, no new Tamerlaine, no new Nero, no new Tojo, no new Agathocles?

I.

Okay, you have a point. But the ultimate consensus is, at least in western society, that Hitler was the wickest man who ever lived.

Doesn't that get old though? Hitler was a bad dude, and I certainly wouldn't want to be an apologist for him, but how many millions Stalin? How many millions Mao? There are too many really bad dudes for Hitler to have such a corner on the market. Human history is messy, cruel, inhumane. Human evil is too large and creative to be stuck with one person. And when the monopoly of badness is cornered by such a person, then political discussions can really be misled.

Don't forget the African Hitler, Idi Amin.

I'd say there are possible comparisons made between Dubya and Hitler in some ways, but as disturbed as he is I don't think he's that messed up, and thankfully, hasn't had the opportunity to try . . . yet.

Personally, I would compare Dubya to Oliver Cromwell.

I think Sadaam Hussein would make a decent comparison to Ol' "Uncle Joe" Stalin. As for the rest, I don't know.

Hitler should be retired. From this day forth I proclaim Stalin the evil dictator of choice for political rhetoric.

Originally Posted by Mary Fitzmas

Hitler should be retired. From this day forth I proclaim Stalin the evil dictator of choice for political rhetoric.

Who put you in charge of evil dictators? :wink:

Maybe we could rotate through evil dictators, as NOAA does when naming Hurricanes? We could compose a list of evil dictators, and at some regular interval increment to the next one. Then, if we run out of evil dictators, we could compare politicians to the letters of the greek alphabet.

I'm not sure if the above would be politically correct, though. The gender bias in telling history means so many more of the well known evil dictators are male than female. Putting together a gender neutral list of evil dictators might get awkward.

Originally Posted by freivolk

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

Mr. Hussein of Irak was compared to the leader of post-Weimar Germany.

Mr. Chavez of Venezuela has been compared to the leader of post-Weimar Germany.

Mr. Ahmadinejad of Iran has been compared to the leader of post-Weimar Germany.


?

If I remember it right

Mr. Bush has been compared to Hitler

Mr. Cheney has been compared to Hitler

Mr. Rumsfeld has been compared to Hitler

even Miss Rice has been compared to Hitler and Hitler definitly didn´t had her legs

so I just want to know,

have you a problem with Mr. Hussein, Mr. Chavez, Mr. Ahmadinejad compared to Hitler because they are such a pair of fine gentlemen

or

because somebody violated the leftist monopoly to campare people to Hitler

Hussein we compare to Stalin because the guy actually modelled himself after him.

Originally Posted by mgibbons19 (71)

Doesn't that get old though? Hitler was a bad dude, and I certainly wouldn't want to be an apologist for him, but how many millions Stalin? How many millions Mao? There are too many really bad dudes for Hitler to have such a corner on the market. Human history is messy, cruel, inhumane. Human evil is too large and creative to be stuck with one person. And when the monopoly of badness is cornered by such a person, then political discussions can really be misled.

What about Colonel Green?

Originally Posted by The Rani

Originally Posted by Mike Alexander '59

Originally Posted by mgibbons19 (71)

Doesn't that get old though? Hitler was a bad dude, and I certainly wouldn't want to be an apologist for him, but how many millions Stalin? How many millions Mao? There are too many really bad dudes for Hitler to have such a corner on the market. Human history is messy, cruel, inhumane. Human evil is too large and creative to be stuck with one person. And when the monopoly of badness is cornered by such a person, then political discussions can really be misled.

What about Colonel Green?

He did it with the candlestick in the library.

That's Colonel Mustard, silly. :wink:

Originally Posted by The Wonkette

Originally Posted by The Rani

Originally Posted by Mike Alexander '59

Originally Posted by mgibbons19 (71)

Doesn't that get old though? Hitler was a bad dude, and I certainly wouldn't want to be an apologist for him, but how many millions Stalin? How many millions Mao? There are too many really bad dudes for Hitler to have such a corner on the market. Human history is messy, cruel, inhumane. Human evil is too large and creative to be stuck with one person. And when the monopoly of badness is cornered by such a person, then political discussions can really be misled.

What about Colonel Green?

He did it with the candlestick in the library.

That's Colonel Mustard, silly. :wink:

That's right. Colonel Green was a fictitious 21st Century tyrant who appeared in one of the later Star Trek:TOS episodes.

Was that in "Gabriel's Rebellion"? Or was that from DS9?

Now somebody in Teheran compared Angela Merkel to Hitler.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/auslan...,399841,00.htm

This definitly get out if hand. The UN should declare a global Hitler cease fire. Everybody who breaks it get nuked. (Exept well armed nuclear powers)

Getting back to the original topic of the thread, here we have a story about Fourth Turning unrest in China. Profit motive is pushing both old and new media to produce stuff that the people want to read... which is often not politically correct in the eyes of government censors...

For discussion purposes only...

Despite Web Crackdown, Prevailing Winds Are Free

Originally Posted by Howard W French for the NY Times

Against this grim backdrop, the news that Google had agreed to apply censors' blacklists to its new Chinese search engine might have seemed like the ultimate nail in the coffin for freedom of information in this country. Chinese Internet mavens were outraged at Google for collaborating in the government's censorship effort. "For most people, access to more diversified resources has been broken," said Isaac Mao, a popular Chinese blogger, in a typical sentiment. "The majority of users, the new users, will only see a compressed version of Google, and can't know what they don't know. This is like taking a 30-year-old's brain and setting him back to the mind of a 15-year-old."

Some threatened that Internet companies that toed the government line would regret it someday. "Doing the bidding of the Chinese government like this is like doing the bidding of Stalin or Hitler," said Yu Jie, a well-known dissident writer. "The actions of companies that did the bidding of Stalin and Hitler have been remembered by history, and the Chinese people won't forget these kinds of actions, either."

I was trying to recall if we ever had any really evil female dictators, and really couldn't think of one that could compare toe the Wicked Witch of the East in Wizard of Oz. To my knowledge, none of the queens of England were that bad. Perhaps the closest we had in real life was Ma Barker from the Prohibition era.

Originally Posted by Brian Beecher

I was trying to recall if we ever had any really evil female dictators, and really couldn't think of one that could compare toe the Wicked Witch of the East in Wizard of Oz. To my knowledge, none of the queens of England were that bad. Perhaps the closest we had in real life was Ma Barker from the Prohibition era.

I think their work was done.


I have seen nominations for Ms. Ilse Koch, HM Mary Tudor, Ms. Elizabeth Bathory. And, the S.W.O.T.E. was high in the rankings in the late last Century.


I used to think that Catherine de 'Medici was pretty bad for a moderate. And, some of those desperate Imperial housewives (including the White-Boned Demon aka Mrs. Mao) were evil.

Originally Posted by Roadbldr '59

Originally Posted by Mike Alexander '59

Originally Posted by mgibbons19 (71)

Doesn't that get old though? Hitler was a bad dude, and I certainly wouldn't want to be an apologist for him, but how many millions Stalin? How many millions Mao? There are too many really bad dudes for Hitler to have such a corner on the market. Human history is messy, cruel, inhumane. Human evil is too large and creative to be stuck with one person. And when the monopoly of badness is cornered by such a person, then political discussions can really be misled.

What about Colonel Green?

That's right. Colonel Green was a fictitious 21st Century tyrant who appeared in one of the later Star Trek:TOS episodes.

Kinda like veiled allusions to other fictitious 21st Century tyrants like Lee Kuan and Krotus (also on Star Trek: TOS), and Hiriam Tower (on Babylon 5). Looks like even our made for TV Sci-fi expects this century to be as bloody as the last, if not even more so.

Originally Posted by Brian Beecher

I was trying to recall if we ever had any really evil female dictators, and really couldn't think of one that could compare toe the Wicked Witch of the East in Wizard of Oz. To my knowledge, none of the queens of England were that bad. Perhaps the closest we had in real life was Ma Barker from the Prohibition era.

Santa, Santa Evita,
Madre de todos los ninos
Y lost descamisados, y los descamisados
Y los trabajadores
del Argenita!

Originally Posted by Idiot Girl

Originally Posted by Brian Beecher

I was trying to recall if we ever had any really evil female dictators, and really couldn't think of one that could compare toe the Wicked Witch of the East in Wizard of Oz. To my knowledge, none of the queens of England were that bad. Perhaps the closest we had in real life was Ma Barker from the Prohibition era.

Santa, Santa Evita,
Madre de todos los ninos
Y lost descamisados, y los descamisados
Y los trabajadores
del Argenita!

Does it count if you are married to an evil dictator, and acting as his PR auxiliary?

Originally Posted by Peter Gibbons

Was that in "Gabriel's Rebellion"? Or was that from DS9?

It was DS9. Wasn't that the one where the DS9 crew go back to High-era
San Francisco in the year 2024? I don't believe there was an evil dictator in that one, but interestingly enough there was a convincing civil-rights-movement-like class struggle... complete with an MLK-for-the-homeless figure, Gabriel Bell, whom Capt. Sisko must impersonate after inadvertantly getting the character killed.