On 2002-02-08 08:56, Barbara wrote:

On 2002-02-08 05:55, Croaker'39 wrote:

Babs?Those princesses are way out of my league, but I?ll be peeping in at Peggy Flemming soon, thanks to Joseph Smith and the Mormon Olympics.

Oh, yeah, I forgot about Peggy.... do you remember her in "Snow White and the Three Stooges" ???? :smile:

That wasn't Peggy Fleming. It was Carol Heiss, the 1960 Olympic champion.

And, unfortunately, I don't think we'll see much of Peggy during the Olympics. She works for ABC, and NBC has the broadcast rights.

Kiff '61, somewhat of a figure skating aficionado.

On 2002-02-08 09:30, Kiff '61 wrote:

On 2002-02-08 08:56, Barbara wrote:

On 2002-02-08 05:55, Croaker'39 wrote:

Babs?Those princesses are way out of my league, but I?ll be peeping in at Peggy Flemming soon, thanks to Joseph Smith and the Mormon Olympics.

Oh, yeah, I forgot about Peggy.... do you remember her in "Snow White and the Three Stooges" ???? :smile:

That wasn't Peggy Fleming. It was Carol Heiss, the 1960 Olympic champion.

And, unfortunately, I don't think we'll see much of Peggy during the Olympics. She works for ABC, and NBC has the broadcast rights.

Kiff '61, somewhat of a figure skating aficionado.

Oops. Thank you for correcting that, Kiff - I'm sure my 1956 daughter will get a big laugh at her mom for that booboo, when I tell her. She really liked that movie. I can see her eyes rolling at me now. :sigh: :smile:

Peggy skated the torch with Scott Hamilton at Opening Ceremonies. She looked very worthy of Croaker's admiration. :wink:

Croaker: I was raised in conservative baptist environment. By high school I was considering bcoming a minister. Instead I attended my local university. While there I decided as a small personal project to look for whatever scienttific evidence I could find which would corroborate the bible. It was my waterloo event. To my utter shock I discovered that there were alternative views which could be supported contrary to my beliefs.

Since then I have gone on to form a different paradym for my own reality. It has served me as well as any. But the point I want to make is I have been on both sides in my life and I can say that I can understand the frustration which exists when paradyms meet. An open mind can be difficult to maintain, especially as we age because we feel that we have been through it. Our opinions and beliefs tend to gel sometimes to the consistency of concrete. It is rare these days for me to receive new information or enlightenments which can soften or melt that concrete. The good news is, sometimes it still happens.

I haven't read Wilson's new book yet. But it is on my list. For what it's worth, I'll add my small voice. I believe that our greatist challenge today is to finally learn to take our real place on this planet as equal cohabitants with the rest of life, not the supreme rulers attempting to overthrow natural law but to act as the nevous system and higher cognitive function of a living biosytem.

I believe that all other problems will be subsumed under this one immenent crisis.

Buzzard?Historian Robert S. Morison once said:

?As we grow microscopically more precise, we become macroscopically more confused.?

And his brother historian Elting Morison said:

?Not only am I because I think, but the way I think is the way all that is real turns out to be.?

And then it was Jean-Paul Sartre who said:

?Existentialism?s first move is to make every man aware of what he is and to make the full responsibility of his existence rest on him.?

I loved old Sartre. Did you know a million people crowded and cried along the Champs de Elysee in 1980 to watch his funeral cortege pass by?

Buz, your thoughtful words are those of an existentialist, imho. I agree with everything you say, and wish I had said it as well. Your posts are the best kind?sincere?and the most vulnerable. When we struggle with the paradigms something important always seems to happen. When we don?t?well, then, there?s always religion.

E. O. Wilson is not the only clucker. There?s a plethora of good books today about our environmental future, but many do not dissect the argument as well as Wilson. When I put on my broad-rimmed thinking hat, it isn?t the environment per se that gets me going on the paradigms. The real sleepers are computers, the Internet t, and a little thing I like to call ?electromagnetic post-existence??virtual immortality. It will converge upon us about the same time Wilson?s Bottleneck does, maybe late in the 21st century. I can suggest some good reads on this.

Remember the court marshal of Billy Mitchell in 1925? Essentially, it was about his insubordinate claim that our fledgling air force would eventually displace the navy in warfare supremacy. Navy brass said his words and actions violated their sacred paradigm. Boy, were they wrong! And boy, are we ever blind to the future sometimes!

Attended a poetry reading this evening (The Wit's End here in the Fremont neighborhood of Seattle). I was talking to a 75 year old, New York native, woman who read a poem about the 911 half aniversary. I asked her to compare 911 with Pearl Harbor, but she said that she was only about 15 back in 1941. She did comment that, according to the Chinese calender, 1941 and 2001 were both the year of the snake. What's more, every fifth year of the snake is supposed to be ominous, and yes 1941 and 2001 were both the fifth year of the snake.

Tim--

Thanks for the poignant insight. Being an amphibian myself, I'm not too surprised about those snakes. Do the Chinese ever have any froggie years that you know of? Of course not. And who ever heard of "Frogzilla Meets Lambie," anyway? Reptiles get all the respect!

I learned long ago from too poetry readings in Seattle that you can't trust anything you hear within a five-mile radius of the Blue Moon Tavern. But once back in 1969 at the Last Exit, I recall Dorselle Hugbum, the venerable poet-philosopher from Lambertville, Michigan, reciting his thoughtful ?Space Snake?:

Men of wisdom don't mistake
The cosmic climbing space snake
For the mushrooms in the forest
Or the creatures in the lake.
It's the moving and changing
From the droplet to the flake,
The continuum of order--
More the fusion than the break.
The Earth is always giving what the sky will always take.

Moving in the meadow,
In the flower,
In the fawn.
Moving in the city in the traffic in the dawn.
A whale surging upwards
From the depths to the surface,
Like a guided missile
With a focus
And a purpose.

In the particle or wave, the abolition of a slave,
In the signs of self-awareness from a painting in a cave,
Higher, ever higher, toward something up above.
It?s even in the Scriptures:
First the Law and then the Love.

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On 2002-05-01 06:36, Tim Walker wrote:
Different authors have described cyberspace differently, either as a place, on the one hand, or as a placeless place or a timeless time. What has been your experience?

I see it as a poorly bound book (encyclopedia); passed rapidly hand to hand and marginalized with scribblings and comment...but with a pretty good index for such a tome.

Having to get up early for a time consuming commute, I am in the habit of doing a power walk around 4 AM. It is quiet, peaceful, there is little traffic, and I feel that I have the world to myself. Lately I've been crusing down the main drag of this part of town, Aurora Avenue. This is a sort of strip mall with motels. One has a sign that reads "Senior Discounts." Do you suppose that went up during the Awakening? (There is another sign that reads "friendly natives"-what do you suppose that means?).

Brilliant analysis, guy! Keep up the good work!

Brilliant analysis, guy! Keep up the good work!

Originally Posted by Tim Walker

...Lately I've been crusing down the main drag of this part of town, Aurora Avenue...

Tim, should I be getting suspicious about you? Do I need to caution you about HIV?

--Croak

Originally Posted by Tim Walker

...Lately I've been crusing down the main drag of this part of town, Aurora Avenue...

Tim, should I be getting suspicious about you? Do I need to caution you about HIV?

--Croak

Originally Posted by Croakmore

Originally Posted by Tim Walker

...Lately I've been crusing down the main drag of this part of town, Aurora Avenue...

Tim, should I be getting suspicious about you? Do I need to caution you about HIV?

--Croak

I've bet you've been a bit of a horny toad in your time. :wink:

Originally Posted by Croakmore

Originally Posted by Tim Walker

...Lately I've been crusing down the main drag of this part of town, Aurora Avenue...

Tim, should I be getting suspicious about you? Do I need to caution you about HIV?

--Croak

I've bet you've been a bit of a horny toad in your time. :wink:

Originally Posted by William J. Lemmingwinks

Originally Posted by Croakmore

Originally Posted by Tim Walker

...Lately I've been crusing down the main drag of this part of town, Aurora Avenue...

Tim, should I be getting suspicious about you? Do I need to caution you about HIV?

--Croak

I've bet you've been a bit of a horny toad in your time. :wink:

"In your time"! My Cod, man, this frog ain't dead yet!

Originally Posted by William J. Lemmingwinks

Originally Posted by Croakmore

Originally Posted by Tim Walker

...Lately I've been crusing down the main drag of this part of town, Aurora Avenue...

Tim, should I be getting suspicious about you? Do I need to caution you about HIV?

--Croak

I've bet you've been a bit of a horny toad in your time. :wink:

"In your time"! My Cod, man, this frog ain't dead yet!

Originally Posted by Croakmore

Originally Posted by William J. Lemmingwinks

Originally Posted by Croakmore

Originally Posted by Tim Walker

...Lately I've been crusing down the main drag of this part of town, Aurora Avenue...

Tim, should I be getting suspicious about you? Do I need to caution you about HIV?

--Croak

I've bet you've been a bit of a horny toad in your time. :wink:

"In your time"! My Cod, man, this frog ain't dead yet!

This ain't your Lost-gen Nomad Elderhood Phase anymore! :wink:

Hey, I have a great idea. Let's make and market "Free the Tadpoles!" T-Shirts. :wink: :wink: I think they'd catch on like those "Be Kind to Nature -- Kiss a Beaver" shirts back in the day.

Originally Posted by Croakmore

Originally Posted by William J. Lemmingwinks

Originally Posted by Croakmore

Originally Posted by Tim Walker

...Lately I've been crusing down the main drag of this part of town, Aurora Avenue...

Tim, should I be getting suspicious about you? Do I need to caution you about HIV?

--Croak

I've bet you've been a bit of a horny toad in your time. :wink:

"In your time"! My Cod, man, this frog ain't dead yet!

This ain't your Lost-gen Nomad Elderhood Phase anymore! :wink:

Hey, I have a great idea. Let's make and market "Free the Tadpoles!" T-Shirts. :wink: :wink: I think they'd catch on like those "Be Kind to Nature -- Kiss a Beaver" shirts back in the day.

Originally Posted by William J. Lemmiwinks

...Hey, I have a great idea. Let's make and market "Free the Tadpoles!" T-Shirts. :wink: :wink: I think they'd catch on like those "Be Kind to Nature -- Kiss a Beaver" shirts back in the day.

With a recent suggestion by certain parental groups to encourage teenage oral sex as a way to prevent pregnancy, and with the Catholic church's denial of communion to those politicians who support abortion, how about "Blow Jobs For Jesus" or "Bush Twins Give Good Head"?

Originally Posted by William J. Lemmiwinks

...Hey, I have a great idea. Let's make and market "Free the Tadpoles!" T-Shirts. :wink: :wink: I think they'd catch on like those "Be Kind to Nature -- Kiss a Beaver" shirts back in the day.

With a recent suggestion by certain parental groups to encourage teenage oral sex as a way to prevent pregnancy, and with the Catholic church's denial of communion to those politicians who support abortion, how about "Blow Jobs For Jesus" or "Bush Twins Give Good Head"?

Originally Posted by Croakmore

Originally Posted by William J. Lemmiwinks

...Hey, I have a great idea. Let's make and market "Free the Tadpoles!" T-Shirts. :wink: :wink: I think they'd catch on like those "Be Kind to Nature -- Kiss a Beaver" shirts back in the day.

With a recent suggestion by certain parental groups to encourage teenage oral sex as a way to prevent pregnancy, and with the Catholic church's denial of communion to those politicians who support abortion, how about "Blow Jobs For Jesus" or "Bush Twins Give Good Head"?

Speaking of Presidential daughter material:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004223099,00.html

Originally Posted by Croakmore

Originally Posted by William J. Lemmiwinks

...Hey, I have a great idea. Let's make and market "Free the Tadpoles!" T-Shirts. :wink: :wink: I think they'd catch on like those "Be Kind to Nature -- Kiss a Beaver" shirts back in the day.

With a recent suggestion by certain parental groups to encourage teenage oral sex as a way to prevent pregnancy, and with the Catholic church's denial of communion to those politicians who support abortion, how about "Blow Jobs For Jesus" or "Bush Twins Give Good Head"?

Speaking of Presidential daughter material:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004223099,00.html

Originally Posted by William J. Lemmiwinks

Originally Posted by Croakmore

Originally Posted by William J. Lemmiwinks

...Hey, I have a great idea. Let's make and market "Free the Tadpoles!" T-Shirts. :wink: :wink: I think they'd catch on like those "Be Kind to Nature -- Kiss a Beaver" shirts back in the day.

With a recent suggestion by certain parental groups to encourage teenage oral sex as a way to prevent pregnancy, and with the Catholic church's denial of communion to those politicians who support abortion, how about "Blow Jobs For Jesus" or "Bush Twins Give Good Head"?

Speaking of Presidential daughter material:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004223099,00.html

Oh, that's a deadly photo of Kerry's daughter. I'm surprised the Devil or msm didn't hop al over that one.

My '58 cohort brother Scott has taken an interest in ancient Egypt. (Actually, his spiritual interests remind me a bit of Eric Meece). He recently returned from his 2nd trip to Egypt and sent me a cartouche. A cartouche is a small metal strip. The translated meaning of my name is on it in the form of hieroglyphics.

Scott e-mailed me these comments:

"Egypt was great. Lots of miracles for me. However, the number of guard towers and uniformed men with machine guns around is unnerving. I doubt Americans will be safe there in the near future."