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Post#176 at 12-28-2010 06:37 PM by disgruntledxer [at Seattle, WA joined Sep 2010 #posts 674]
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Quote Originally Posted by millennialX View Post
That's funny. I was going to suggest you try Atlanta when I read your post yesterday. What industry are you trying to work in?
Accounting, IT, and administrative. I once had to only look in Birmingham, but I can not afford to only look there now. I am taking a certification exam the 4th so I will wait at least until that is done, but must move on if nothing gives.
Initially, the questions I ask when reviewing any saeculur event: What did the decision makers know about the cyclical time, when did they know it, and how did they act on that knowledge? Then I can ask the question, "what was their purpose?" I take extra special notice when reviewing events before Generations was released by Strauss-Howe.







Post#177 at 02-06-2011 03:38 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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Awhile back I mentioned a bowling alley that went out of business. The building was demolished, the lot empty. Well, the lot is still empty. Will this become common...empty lots that sit idle for long periods?







Post#178 at 03-21-2011 05:53 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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Today I drove a friend to the airport. I have never discussed the S&H theory with her, though in the past we had discussed the (sucky) state of the economy.

On the way we discussed the economy, and then she brought up the attack on Libya. She commented that "we are living in scary times." Is this how people percieve Crisis eras?







Post#179 at 03-21-2011 06:34 PM by Tone70 [at Omaha joined Apr 2010 #posts 1,473]
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With the possible exception of the X'ers (noted from personal reflection) I believe that that is true.
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Post#180 at 05-29-2011 12:16 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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The other day I was standing in line to enter a food bank. I overheard a man commenting that he used to be a volunteer at a food bank; now, it was he who needed the donated food.







Post#181 at 08-02-2011 02:51 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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Television newThere was a story that the U.S. postal service will close hundreds of post offices around the country.
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Post#182 at 08-02-2011 02:52 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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Television newsA study claimed that the tooth fairy has become less generous, making smaller payments to children.







Post#183 at 08-02-2011 08:46 PM by disgruntledxer [at Seattle, WA joined Sep 2010 #posts 674]
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The Beach Expressway's toll bridge going into Orange Beach has gone up from $1 to $3.50 for 2 axel vehicles. I am taking the long way around through Gulf Shores at that price.
Initially, the questions I ask when reviewing any saeculur event: What did the decision makers know about the cyclical time, when did they know it, and how did they act on that knowledge? Then I can ask the question, "what was their purpose?" I take extra special notice when reviewing events before Generations was released by Strauss-Howe.







Post#184 at 08-07-2011 01:52 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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Television News. Being told to cut over $300 billion over the next ten years, the Pentagon is considering the cancellation of shows such as the Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds.







Post#185 at 08-09-2011 02:46 PM by TnT [at joined Feb 2005 #posts 2,005]
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Tim,

You're the Mathew Brady of the 4T Forum.
" ... a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition."







Post#186 at 08-28-2011 09:49 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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TnT, what do you mean by that?







Post#187 at 08-28-2011 11:21 PM by The Grey Badger [at Albuquerque, NM joined Sep 2001 #posts 8,876]
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Well, Brady was the great Civil War photographer.
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Post#188 at 08-30-2011 02:04 PM by TnT [at joined Feb 2005 #posts 2,005]
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Quote Originally Posted by TimWalker View Post
TnT, what do you mean by that?
I like the way you offer up snippets of information that always seem relevant. You don't editorialize about the info, but of course the selection of subject matter and the way it is "framed" is similar to the way in which a photographer might approach an event taking place. The artist's contribution is there, but is often not noticed unless one makes a special effort to analyze the work.
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Post#189 at 10-29-2011 08:53 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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TVl news - The state of Washington must cut two $ billion from the budget.







Post#190 at 10-30-2011 01:40 PM by Deb C [at joined Aug 2004 #posts 6,099]
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Post#191 at 10-30-2011 08:50 PM by The Grey Badger [at Albuquerque, NM joined Sep 2001 #posts 8,876]
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Eastward the course of empire takes its way.

"I got the oil, oil, oil, oil, down in the ground. Down in the ground! Down in the ground!
I got the oil, oil, oil, oil, down in the ground. Down in the ground today!
I got the U.S. Army on my doorstep on my home ground. On my hone ground! On my home ground!
I got the U.S. Army on my doorstep on my home ground. On my hone ground, today!

Which would be no more surprising than the senior cat raiding the food bowl of the junior cat, and for the same reason. He have it; me want it; me need it! Rrrrowl!
How to spot a shill, by John Michael Greer: "What you watch for is (a) a brand new commenter who (b) has nothing to say about the topic under discussion but (c) trots out a smoothly written opinion piece that (d) hits all the standard talking points currently being used by a specific political or corporate interest, while (e) avoiding any other points anyone else has made on that subject."

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Post#192 at 10-30-2011 09:24 PM by Deb C [at joined Aug 2004 #posts 6,099]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
Eastward the course of empire takes its way.

"I got the oil, oil, oil, oil, down in the ground. Down in the ground! Down in the ground!
I got the oil, oil, oil, oil, down in the ground. Down in the ground today!
I got the U.S. Army on my doorstep on my home ground. On my hone ground! On my home ground!
I got the U.S. Army on my doorstep on my home ground. On my hone ground, today!

Which would be no more surprising than the senior cat raiding the food bowl of the junior cat, and for the same reason. He have it; me want it; me need it! Rrrrowl!
Ya got that right, GB.

From the article:

Another part of the administration’s post-Iraq planning involves the Gulf Cooperation Council, dominated by Saudi Arabia. It has increasingly sought to exert its diplomatic and military influence in the region and beyond. Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, for example, sent combat aircraft to the Mediterranean as part of the NATO-led intervention in Libya, while Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates each have forces in Afghanistan.
"The only Good America is a Just America." .... pbrower2a







Post#193 at 10-30-2011 11:31 PM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
Which would be no more surprising than the senior cat raiding the food bowl of the junior cat, and for the same reason. He have it; me want it; me need it! Rrrrowl!
Miss Marple understood human nature by observing the behaviors of the people in her small English village. Pat understands human nature by observing the behaviors of her cats in her home.



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"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







Post#194 at 10-31-2011 03:12 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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Regarding Washington state budget cuts:A college professor told me that community colleges will be hard hit, with many lay offs.







Post#195 at 11-01-2011 08:07 PM by Deb C [at joined Aug 2004 #posts 6,099]
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Post#196 at 11-02-2011 01:25 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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Time magazine, Sept. 5, 2011. A short article about cash-strapped states promoting gambling. Interesting comment that gambling got started in Nevada in 1931.







Post#197 at 12-10-2011 03:02 PM by TimWalker [at joined May 2007 #posts 6,368]
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There is a general consensus that we now be 4T. A question comes to mind - is it playing out in a manner similar to what one imagined?
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Post#198 at 12-10-2011 03:22 PM by The Grey Badger [at Albuquerque, NM joined Sep 2001 #posts 8,876]
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Quote Originally Posted by TimWalker View Post
There is a general consensus that we now be 4T. A question comes to mind - is it playing out in a manner similar to what one imagined?
Well, it's not playing out as Mad Max and armed raiders stealing your stored canned goods; nor yet as gallant Heartland teenagers defending America against an occupying army; nor even the world being nuked to extinction, to name several popular scenarios of days gone by. It is, and I quote a 2007 article,

Ran Prieur's website. From his 2007 Nov-Dec archives:

"The crash is not close -- we are in the crash. This is what the crash looks like -- not roving gangs storming your house to steal canned food, but gasoline and milk prices rising twenty cents, and another vacant house on your street, and your credit card sending you a few pages of fine print about some new ways they can charge you 29%. The crash looks like trains breaking down and roofs leaking and unemployed people moving in with family and employed people cynically going through the motions. Every day will look almost exactly like the day before, but in a few years you will find yourself eating dandelions and sorting out your pre-1982 pennies to sell the copper. We fantasize about the Road Warrior crash scenario because it would make life simple and raw -- the winners would have a fun time and the losers would not have to suffer long. In the real crash, you'll still have to go to your job and pay bills and get stuck in traffic, but everything will be a little crummier, a little less predictable. You will see more depressed people and rambling crazies and potholes and buses that never come and long lines and important phone numbers where nobody answers. Your whole city will not be wiped out by a biowar super-plague, but here and there someone you know will die of cancer or MRSA. "

"Why, this is hell; nor are we out of it."
How to spot a shill, by John Michael Greer: "What you watch for is (a) a brand new commenter who (b) has nothing to say about the topic under discussion but (c) trots out a smoothly written opinion piece that (d) hits all the standard talking points currently being used by a specific political or corporate interest, while (e) avoiding any other points anyone else has made on that subject."

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Post#199 at 12-10-2011 04:32 PM by Tone70 [at Omaha joined Apr 2010 #posts 1,473]
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Such great points!

Call it "Crisis: The Adult Edition"

*begin paranoia* Which is not to say that i don't have a shotgun, a sword and a bunch o' canned goods or a back pack and sleeping bag, or water containers, or iodine pills, or a good set of boots, or a bicycle or that it's not worth me additionally getting, a rifle, a handgun or two, a decent tent and perhaps most importantly replacement tubes, tires, a patch kit and tool set for the bicycle. *end paranoia*

In either scenario canned goods and other food supplies, one gun, the bike and it's accessories are good investments.
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Post#200 at 12-10-2011 05:54 PM by James50 [at Atlanta, GA US joined Feb 2010 #posts 3,605]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
"The crash is not close -- we are in the crash. This is what the crash looks like -- not roving gangs storming your house to steal canned food, but gasoline and milk prices rising twenty cents, and another vacant house on your street, and your credit card sending you a few pages of fine print about some new ways they can charge you 29%. The crash looks like trains breaking down and roofs leaking and unemployed people moving in with family and employed people cynically going through the motions. Every day will look almost exactly like the day before, but in a few years you will find yourself eating dandelions and sorting out your pre-1982 pennies to sell the copper. We fantasize about the Road Warrior crash scenario because it would make life simple and raw -- the winners would have a fun time and the losers would not have to suffer long. In the real crash, you'll still have to go to your job and pay bills and get stuck in traffic, but everything will be a little crummier, a little less predictable. You will see more depressed people and rambling crazies and potholes and buses that never come and long lines and important phone numbers where nobody answers. Your whole city will not be wiped out by a biowar super-plague, but here and there someone you know will die of cancer or MRSA. "

"Why, this is hell; nor are we out of it."
On Shields and Brooks last night, David Brooks made the point that while Obama seemed to want to run on the theme of inequality, that what the country was worried about more was economic decline. If this is true, an election about inequality will sound slightly off-key. If the Republicans can make an issue of decline, they still could win.

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