On 2001-11-05 11:25, madscientist wrote:
ENTJs are often called superleaders because they very easily rise to leadership positions. ESTJs, ESFJs, and ENFJs also often rise to leadership positions. ENTJs are the best strategic organizers of all types. ESTJs make very good military leaders, and are very practical. ESFJs (like ESTJs) are often pillars of their community. They are leaders of traditional values, and are very good with people. The ENFJ is also a leader type, and they are often able to manipulate people, but their reasons are usually good. ENFJs are often VERY popular with people. To add to this, they can make very good religious figures with large followings.

we ntjs do like to lead. INTJs like to lead systems and ideas more than people, and entjs like to lead things like people and projects. I am kind of fifty/fifty on the e/i stuff, but I've always wanted to be an animator or a tv writer, or create my own animated sitcom, a simpsons/family guy type of show, or write for a soap opera. I am 19/female, and this summer I am moving to california at my aunt and uncles house near LA to try to get a job in that area. Most of my friends prefer more laid back styles. My grandmother is always telling me I'm definitely not really laid back at all, and once I get an idea in my head I can't sit back until I at least get my ideas in motion. We ENTJS are known for coming up with some far out ideas or career choices, and often decide to go after them as young children, as a matter of fact I knew I wanted to be an animator the first time I learned cartoons were animated, and even as a kid I was always drawing, or I'd be watching tv and come up with these episode ideas. I'm probably more ENTJ since my thought process kind of works like a pin ball machine, lol and I kind of rush into things without thinking, an extravert trait. I can use the s function as needed, so even though a lot of my ideas are kind of out there, the s function keeps me from being unrealistic, and makes sure my goals are accomplishable and I'm not kidding myself. The s-n was so close it was hard to tell at first whether I was more s or n, but then after more research on mbti I decided I was more n. I am kind of into horoscopes, then I got one of those charts online where you enter your birth date and time, then even that said I was a leader who doesn't get discouraged.

On 2001-11-30 10:02, anne579 wrote:

On 2001-11-03 17:46, Stonewall Patton wrote:
Two female INTPs? This is incredible. Can there possibly be another one in the world?

You two ought to join the carnival and set up next to the bearded lady...only kidding! But it seems like you two ought to be enough of a novelty to qualify.

that got me wondering if there were more male/female ntjs. I'm a 19 year old female i/entj. Sometimes depending on the particular day, I'll be more extraverted and talkative, people will be asking me if I ever shut the h*** up, while the next day people will be telling me I'm too quiet.

Do you need to spend time alone to recharge, or do you need to be around people to recharge your energy? If the former, you are an introvert, if the latter, you are an extravert.

On 2001-10-21 14:12, Susan Brombacher wrote:

On 2001-10-21 13:01, Tim Walker wrote:
As I recall, INFJs are rare, the smallest percentage of either gender. We are virtually invisible to others. My family treats me as a sort of imbecile.

Mine does too. :sad: While we may be rare in the general population, we don't seem to be too rare on this website, which is swarming with INTJs and INFJs.

Sometimes being an entj, slightly intj at times, I have those problems with my family. I just read that entjs are only about 2% of the general population. My family are mostly introverted feelers, who need to reflect and are flexible most of the time, while I just kind of complete one project and move onto the next without much need for reflection. Sometimes as one of the leader types, I have trouble just sitting on the sidelines or being flexible, since I like to keep things moving along, which kind of gets on their nerves. Even though I have a strong hold on reality, I still have a very vivid imagination, which my parents would accuse me of daydreaming about simpsons whenever i got a bad grade in school, even though it wasn't true, just that I was having trouble in the class or that it was dull, but it wasn't my imagination or the tvs fault. Sometimes we intuitive types can get ideas that are kind of out there, even if they are realistic and we intuitives often get falsely accused of being out of touch with reality. I've read other posts about there being more male or female of certain types. Since entjs are only 2 percent, I wonder if there are more male or female, or equal.

On 2001-11-16 20:49, Eric A Meece wrote:
Here is a description of INFJ I found which I was able to save from an internet site. It should answer your question, Stonewall, about the type of prophetic abilities they have.

It is not so much the type INTP's have which are more about forecasting political, historical or economic trends, often using the thinking function as well as intuition. As an INTP, this kind of forecasting is my forte, being the author of a book on the subject (see my profile and web site). Although I use astrology, which some INTPs may not consider "thinking," in fact I take a quite scholarly approach and have quite a few correct predictions. I also do personal forecasting though, the INFJ forte.

To wit: INFJ:

2. FJ'S -- THE FEELING JUDGING-MODE TYPES

INFJ -- Introverted Intuition Aided by Feeling -- Idealist-Counselor (prophet?-E.M.)

Main Characteristics

INFJs focus on possibilities, think in terms of values and come easily to decisions. The small number of this type (1 percent) is regrettable, since INFJs have unusually strong drive to contribute to the welfare of others and genuinely enjoy helping their fellow men. This type has great depth of personality; they are themselves complicated, and can understand and deal with complex issues and people.

It is an INFJ who is likely to have visions of human events past, present, or future. If a person demonstrates an ability to understand psychic phenomena better than most others, this person is apt to be an INFJ. Characteristically, INFJs have strong empathic abilities and can be aware of another's emotions or intents even before that person is conscious of these. This can take the form of feeling the distress of illnesses of others to an extent which is difficult for other types. INFJs can intuit good and evil in others, although they seldom can tell how they came to know. Subsequent events tend to bear them out, however.

INFJs are usually good students, achievers who exhibit an unostentatious creativity. They take their work seriously and enjoy academic activity. They can exhibit qualities of over perfectionism and put more into a task than perhaps is justified by the nature of the task. They generally will not be visible leaders, but will quietly exert influence behind the scenes.

INFJs are hard to get to know. They have an unusually rich inner life, but they are reserved and tend not to share their reactions except with those they trust....
INFJs like to please others and tend to contribute their own best efforts in all situations. They prefer and enjoy agreeing with others, and find conflict disagreeable and destructive. What is known as ESP is likely found in an INFJ more than in any other types, although other types are capable of such phenomena. INFJs have vivid imaginations exercised both as memory and intuition, and this can amount to genius, resulting at times in an INFJ's being seen as mystical.
This unfettered imagination often will enable this person to compose complex and often aesthetic works of art such as music, mathematical systems, poems, plays, and novels. In a sense, the INFJ is the most poetic of all the types. Just as the ENTJ cannot not lead, so must an INFJ intuit; this capability extends to people, things, and often events, taking the form of visions, episodes of foreknowledge, premonitions, auditory and visual images of things to come. INFJs can have uncanny communications with certain individuals at a distance.

Career

INFJs often select liberal arts as a college major and opt for occupations which involve interacting with people, but on a one-to-one basis. For example, the general practitioner in medicine might be an INFJ, or the psychiatrist or psychologist. As with all NF's, the ministry holds attraction, although the INFJ must develop an extraverted role here which requires a great deal of energy. INFJs may be attracted to writing as a profession, and often they use language which contains an unusual degree of imagery. They are masters of the metaphor, and both their verbal and written communications tend to be elegant and complex. Their great talent for language usually is directed toward people, describing people and writing to communicate with people in a personalized way. INFJs who write comment often that they write with a particular person in mind; writing to a faceless, abstract audience leaves them uninspired.

INFJs make outstanding individual therapists who have the ability to get in touch with the archetypes of their patients in a way some other types do not. The INFJs are also the most vulnerable of all the types to the eruption of their own archetypal material. As therapists, INFJs may choose counseling, clinical psychology, or psychiatry, or may choose to teach in these fields.
Writing about these professions often intrigues an INFJ. Whatever their choice, they generally are successful in these fields because their great personal warmth, their enthusiasm, their insight, their depth of concentrations, their originality, and their organizational skills can all be brought into play.

At work as well as socially, INFJs are highly sensitive in their handling of others and tend to work well in an organizational structure. They have a capacity for working at jobs which require solitude and concentration, but also do well when in contact with people, providing the human interaction is not superficial. INFJs enjoy problem-solving and can understand and use human systems creatively and humanistically. As employees or employers, INFJs are concerned with people's feelings and are able to provide in themselves a barometer of the feelings of individuals and groups within the organizations. INFJs listen well and are willing and able to consult and cooperate with others. Once a decision is made, they work to implement it.


Midlife

At midlife an INFJ can best continue developing the thinking function in the form of logic and the pursuit of theory. The pleasure of taking a theoretical model and applying it to a situation may be a source of interest which an INFJ may have been neglecting. While continuing to pursue the person-to-person in feeling-type relationships, at midlife INFJs may want to get more involved in working with NT's, who offer a dimension not dominant in NF's and vice versa. Carefully providing for rest and taking care of physical health is vital to the INFJ at all times, and mandatory from midlife on.

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I go away from the 4T site for a few weeks and I miss a big discussion about my MTBI type!

The above description seems to fit me pretty well, but I've never tried to develop psychic abilities. Could it be the practical Xer in me, resisting "voodoo talk"?
I've never had trouble simultaneously identifying with being an INFJ, and also an Xer.

Regarding Neisha's comment about whether Ts are assumed to be smarter than Fs--that is, more logical. As an F, I would argue that you can be very logical using feelings as your guide. For instance, if you are debating with someone, you can often get a lot farther by empathizing with where he is coming from (before going on to make your point), than hammering him with blows of logic. That's what I've found, anyway.

I have also found that as an F, it is useful to be fluent in T-speak when the situation calls for it. That would make sense for Ts, too. My best friend is very strong T, and she has taken the same approach that Donna mentions above, taking people's feelings into account as "facts." It doesn't come naturally to her to empathize with people, but if you tell her how you feel, she incorporates that into her "logical" analysis of the situation.

On 2001-10-28 22:29, Neisha '67 wrote:
That *really* helps! I am *obsessive* about protecting my boundaries. The one thing that upsets me more than *anything* else is when someone tells me what to do/tries to get me to do things their way. Even if I agree with the substance of what they are saying, I will fight with them about it anyway because they are trying to impose their will on me. Meddlers in general annoy me to no end, even if it's not my affair in which they are meddling. I mean, who gives them the right, you know?

The reason I consistently score J is because I am naturally tidy and organized. I keep an orderly space and show up on time for things. If I say I will do something, I do it and in a timely fashion. However, I like to keep my options open and I am comfortable in chaos.

I wonder if there is a gender thing going on as well. I mean, how many female INTPs are there? INTP's are only about 1 percent of the population, right? Well, of that 1 percent, I'll bet 90% are male. That leaves, what, like 100 of us INTP women on the whole planet (no I didn't do the actual math, but I could)? Yeah, I'm Smurfette to all you Trekkie guys. And I did feel that way in high school. I actually went to an all womens college just so I could have some female friends! Anyway, my point is that if you're an INTP female, you've got to conform somewhere in order to just fit into society. Maybe my way of being more socially acceptable was to be more outwardly organized. I don't know, just a thought.

Are there any other INTP women on these boards? I've lost track. Angeli and Susan, are you guys both INFPs? Geez, if there are no INTP women here, in the land of INTPs, than I really AM a freak!

that's how I am. I am an entj/intj, and I am strongly opposed to controlling people. Even though I might be a leader type, I would rather have people follow me by their own choice than impose my will. There are a few people I know who let others control them at any extent because of their fear of rejection, and I always try to tell them to put their foot down and make the boundaries clear. My motto is don't control or be controlled. Even though control is a j function the objectivness in the t function allows me to be objective and not feel the need to control or play on people's emotions and just let people be themselves, and I still respect people who disagree strongly with me, unless they try to control me. Like you, meddlers also annoy me to death. My grandma is a meddler, but still, she lets people control everything she does and has no backbone, and admits it. My dad likes to go out a lot and when he does she constantly worries about him getting mugged or something, and acts like everyone else is naive and helpless, and like she knows what she's talking about. Even if I know I won't take on her point of view, I try to at least see where its coming from. even though I'm a leader type, I'm pretty good at seeing where one person ends and another begins.

On 2001-10-28 22:29, Neisha '67 wrote:
That *really* helps! I am *obsessive* about protecting my boundaries. The one thing that upsets me more than *anything* else is when someone tells me what to do/tries to get me to do things their way. Even if I agree with the substance of what they are saying, I will fight with them about it anyway because they are trying to impose their will on me. Meddlers in general annoy me to no end, even if it's not my affair in which they are meddling. I mean, who gives them the right, you know?

The reason I consistently score J is because I am naturally tidy and organized. I keep an orderly space and show up on time for things. If I say I will do something, I do it and in a timely fashion. However, I like to keep my options open and I am comfortable in chaos.

I wonder if there is a gender thing going on as well. I mean, how many female INTPs are there? INTP's are only about 1 percent of the population, right? Well, of that 1 percent, I'll bet 90% are male. That leaves, what, like 100 of us INTP women on the whole planet (no I didn't do the actual math, but I could)? Yeah, I'm Smurfette to all you Trekkie guys. And I did feel that way in high school. I actually went to an all womens college just so I could have some female friends! Anyway, my point is that if you're an INTP female, you've got to conform somewhere in order to just fit into society. Maybe my way of being more socially acceptable was to be more outwardly organized. I don't know, just a thought.

Are there any other INTP women on these boards? I've lost track. Angeli and Susan, are you guys both INFPs? Geez, if there are no INTP women here, in the land of INTPs, than I really AM a freak!

that's how I am. I am an entj/intj, and I am strongly opposed to controlling people. Even though I might be a leader type, I would rather have people follow me by their own choice than impose my will. There are a few people I know who let others control them at any extent because of their fear of rejection, and I always try to tell them to put their foot down and make the boundaries clear. My motto is don't control or be controlled. Even though control is a j function the objectivness in the t function allows me to be objective and not feel the need to control or play on people's emotions and just let people be themselves, and I still respect people who disagree strongly with me, unless they try to control me. Like you, meddlers also annoy me to death. My grandma is a meddler, but still, she lets people control everything she does and has no backbone, and admits it. My dad likes to go out a lot and when he does she constantly worries about him getting mugged or something, and acts like everyone else is naive and helpless, and like she knows what she's talking about. Even if I know I won't take on her point of view, I try to at least see where its coming from. I guess some of the meddlers fail to see where they end and another person begins or something like that.

On 2001-10-28 20:46, Stonewall Patton wrote:
Neisha, if someone took you for an "absent-minded professor," then you may well be an INTP. Once again we see where the test is sufficiently imprecise as to leave people in doubt as to their true type. And you raise an interesting point about thinking that you were a strong J yet finding that you are very close to being an INTP (if not actually one). I too would have thought that I was a J before taking the various tests but I am certain now that I am INTP as far as the theory goes (and in fact my P was not at all far from J territory back when I took the tests).

It is too simple to state that all J's are judgmental and decisive and that all P's are relaxed and casual as the basic descriptions imply. In fact it is plainly inaccurate. This distinction has more to do with whether you are a dominant judger or dominant perceiver irrespective of your J or P status. INTPs are dominant judgers in that their dominant function is T (Ti). INTPs are necessarily a bit less relaxed and bit more decisive than their close kin ENTPs who are dominant perceivers with N (Ne). In fact I doubt that any type is more stubborn than an INTP given the uncompromising adherence to principles which defines his type. Yet he is a P nonetheless.

Consider an ISTP who is typically an auto mechanic. Your average auto mechanic is not necessarily casual, as P descriptions might imply, and he may even be fairly serious. But he does tend to stay out of your hair. However if you cross him, he is likely to bust you across the jaw. He will not draw first blood, but once blood is drawn, watch out.

All P really means is that you tend not to invade someone else's space (or let someone invade yours), regardless of whether you are easy-going or serious. The INTP will derive philosophical boundaries to legitimate authority and be sensitive to those boundaries both in action and in reaction. The ISTP will derive common sense boundaries to authority and be sensitive in the same way. Both may well be perceived as more serious than casual by others even though they are both P's. Their extroverted cousins, ENTP and ESTP, will be sensitive to those same boundaries but to a lesser degree and will generally come across as more casual in keeping with the standard P descriptions.

Contrast the four Ps above with an ?ber-J like Hillary Clinton (INTJ, I would think). Hillary makes up her mind what she wants to do and does not care in the least whose toes she steps on or whose space she invades. You will comply, knave, and you have no say in the matter. It is at this point that an INTP such as myself dons flame-retardant gear, a gas mask, and whatever else I need to do battle with her. I defend my space and the spaces of others from her unwarranted and unwelcome intrusion while citing God-given or natural rights and pointing to her violations of natural law. And it is a battle to the death. Neither one of us is casual or easy-going in this milieu but there clearly is both a J and a P present. The P is defending the boundaries of legitimate authority while the J is trying to overrun them.

The example above is of course extreme but it illustrates the point. The J vs. P distinction has less to do with how decisive or casual you are and more to do with how sensitive you are to the boundaries of authority. A P is sensitive to those boundaries and generally will not presume to tell others how to live their lives, and expects the same courtesy in return. A J either does not care about those boundaries or does not even consider that they might exist in the first place.

P = "Live and let live"
J = "Everybody should do it this way"

it is weird how a lot of js are stereotyped as judgmental. I do know several js who are unbearably judgmental, while I know some who are so open minded they'll still hold on to their point of view, but accept everyone else's at the same time. Temperament does have a major affect on how a person behaves, but sometimes it depends on the individual in question.

The J (judging) in the MBTI context does *not* mean judgemental or controlling. I think the fact that the root word here is "judge" confuses people into thinking (J)udging is synonynous with (J)udgemental.

The J here refers to those individuals who like closure as opposed to things left incomplete, order in their surroundings and life as opposed to disorder and chaos. They tend to be tidy, neat and precise in their endeavors because they feel unsettled when things are messy and confusing. They can't talk and chew gum at the same time. They like to focus exclusively and intensely on one task at a time, and find it exceedingly difficult to do several things simultaneously. They are good at jobs that require precision, attention to minute detail, neatness and order. P's (Perceivers) on the other hand, thrive in chaos, finding it more mentally and emotionally stimulating. They are therefore more easily bored than Judgers. But they are the people who can inspire and stimulate others to action and can get many things done in a short time. They take well to tasks that utilize inductive (or is it deductive??) reasoning and expand new horizons. They can talk and chew gum at the same time. When leading others, Perceivers can see the "big picture," while Judgers are better at seeing the individual trees in the picture.

Judgemental people, on the other hand, are narrow-minded, overbearing, moralistic. They are not open to the ideas or opinions of others.

It is entirely possible to have a judgemental person who is a Perceiver, or an openminded person who is a Judger.

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The Jungian components of MBTI type are:

Te - Extraverted Thinking
Ti - Introverted Thinking
Fe - Extraverted Feeling
Fi - Introverted Feeling
Se - Extraverted Sensing
Si - Introverted Sensing
Ne - Extraverted Intuition
Ni - Introverted Intuition

These are the eight types that Carl Jung defined. Jung also noted that each type had another auxiliary function. It was then noted that there were two more functions a person possessed, but they were the opposite of the dominant and secondary functions. The third tertiary (sp?) function is the exact opposite of the secondary function, while the fourth inferior function is the exact opposite of the dominant function.

So for an INTP, you have Ti Ne Si Fe, and for an ESTJ, you have Te Si Ne Fi.

Meyers and Briggs defined MBTI by using combinations of Carl Jung's psychological types.

The first letter of MBTI type is defined as the direction of the dominant function. For instance, if your dominant function is Fe, then you would be labeled as an Extravert, while if your dominant function is Si, you would be labeled as an Introvert.

When Carl Jung defined psychological types, he divided them into two types: rational and irrational. The rational functions, which are also the judgement functions, are Thinking and Feeling. The irrational functions, also the perceiving functions, are Sensing and Intuition. Let's define an axis here. A axis can be defined as the dominant plus secondary function, or the tertiary plus inferior functions.

Every type has both rational and irrational functions in the axis. Not only that, but the direction of the second function is always opposite of the dominant function. So if your dominant function is introverted, then your secondary function is extraverted. So this means that if your dominant function is Ti, then your secondary function is either Se or Ne. If your dominant function is Ne, then your secondary function is either Ti or Fi.

The second letter of MBTI type can be defined as what your irrational (perceiving) function is in your main axis (dominant and secondary functions). If it is Ne or Ni, your second letter will be N.

The third function, however, is your rational (judging) function in your main axis. So if it is Te or Ti, then you will be labeled as a T.

The fourth function is defined as how you interact with the outer-world. In other words, this is determined by whether your perceiving or judging function is extraverted in your main axis. So if you have Te or Fe in your main axis, then you are a J. If you have Se or Ne in your main axis, you are a P.

So the J does not mean that you are judgemental at all. It only means that you prefer to project your rational functions towards the outer world. As a result, let's look at some of these:

INTP - Ti Ne Si Fe (Notice the extraverted irrational function)
INTJ - Ni Te Fi Se (Notice the extraverted rational function)
ENTP - Ne Ti Fe Si
ENTJ - Te Ni Se Fi

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Typefocus.com has a pretty good test. I couldn't figure out whether or not I was introverted or extraversion, but my score looked something like this-

extraversion- around seventy percent
intuition-about seventy percent
thinking- %100
judging- somewhere around 100%

I used to think that I was an estp, but I realized that I was more organized than perceiving, since I usually end up reminding everyone else around the house what chores need to be done, and other than my closet my room is totally organized and I get ticked if people don't put things back when they come in my room when I'm not there, which is usually my brother when he comes in to play my nintendo 64. I realized that I was probably more n then s because I spend a lot of my time doing creative stuff like writing, drawing, or looking up some theory on the internet. I seem to have a pretty strong e preference, since usually I get most of my ideas from something that's going on around me, or I get depressed if I'm stuck by myself for more than a few hours, but some days I'll just want to be alone with my tv and work on one of my art projects or a story or something. I guess I'm about 25% i.

Just out of curiosity, I thought I'd do a quick survey to see what type of tv shows and video games, stuff like that different types prefer. I've always wondered what types are most likely to like drama/comedy/horror/musicals, etc. i'm an entj

Favorite tv show/s My favorite tv shows are stuff like Family Guy, the Simpsons, South Park, Futurama, Malcom in the Middle, Passions, Daria, the Critic, Duckman, Pinky and the Brain, Dexter's Lab, Clueless, Passions, Port Charles. I kind of like tv shows with a lot of ironic humor, or humor that is trying to prove a point with inside jokes and stuff, more than outright slapstick comedy.

Favorite movies: South Park, Austin Powers2
something about mary, shallow hal, sixth sense

favorite plays: Miss Saigon, Les Miserables, Evita, the Titanic musical. (I thought the play was way better than the movie)

Favorite video games- Nintendo64Any of the Zelda games, super smash brothers, mario party,south park, paperboy,(It was an old nintendo/supernintendo game) Tetris

Favorite music: Pop, rock, ocassional rap, classical, some broadway

On 2001-12-02 08:38, anne579 wrote:
Typefocus.com has a pretty good test. I couldn't figure out whether or not I was introverted or extraversion, but my score looked something like this-

extraversion- around seventy percent
intuition-about seventy percent
thinking- %100
judging- somewhere around 100%

I used to think that I was an estp, but I realized that I was more organized than perceiving, since I usually end up reminding everyone else around the house what chores need to be done, and other than my closet my room is totally organized and I get ticked if people don't put things back when they come in my room when I'm not there, which is usually my brother when he comes in to play my nintendo 64. I realized that I was probably more n then s because I spend a lot of my time doing creative stuff like writing, drawing, or looking up some theory on the internet. I seem to have a pretty strong e preference, since usually I get most of my ideas from something that's going on around me, or I get depressed if I'm stuck by myself for more than a few hours, but some days I'll just want to be alone with my tv and work on one of my art projects or a story or something. I guess I'm about 25% i.

Solved. Another ENTJ on this website is Vince Lamb.

On 2001-12-02 08:55, anne579 wrote:
Just out of curiosity, I thought I'd do a quick survey to see what type of tv shows and video games, stuff like that different types prefer. I've always wondered what types are most likely to like drama/comedy/horror/musicals, etc. i'm an entj

I am an INTP born in 1982. Here's what I like

Favorite tv show/s

The Simpsons, That 70s Show, Undeclared, Sponge Bob Squarepants (Whoever made this cartoon must really be a pothead), Fairy Odd Parents (same as previous one), Star Trek: TNG, Star Trek: DS9, Star Trek: VOY, Star Trek: ENT, and just about any show that has to do with science and technology.

Favorite movies:

2001: A Space Odyssey, Fight Club, Full Metal Jacket, The Matrix, Shrek, every Star Trek movie, Shawshank Redemption, Independence Day, The Planet of the Apes movies. But if I was stuck on an Island, I would probably bring 2001,and the Star Trek movies.

favorite plays:

Not applicable, as I do not watch plays.

Favorite video games

What!? No Final Fantasy!? How could you!!!! :wink:

Computer: Quake 3, Unreal Tournament, Soldier of Fortune.

NES: Contra, Mario 3, Zelda.
Genesis: The Sonic series, the Phantasy Star series, Gunstar Heroes, Ristar.
SNES: Final Fantasys 4 thru 6, Chrono Trigger, Terranigma (never released in America), Zelda 3, Contra 3, Tales of Phantasia, Star Ocean (only released on Japan), Actraiser, Super Mario RPG, Yoshi's Island, Super Mario All-Stars, Super Mario World, Dragon Quest 5 and 6, Rudra no Hihou (not entirely translated yet), Axelay, Secret of Mana, Seiken Densetsu 3, Illusion of Gaia, Lufia 1 and 2, the Donkey Kong Country series. Man I just love the SNES!!
Playstation: Final Fantasies 7-9 (I wanted to torch Squaresoft upon learning that they were bringing the series to Playstation instead of N64, I eventually cooled down, though), Grandia, Dragon Quest 7, Street Fighter Alpha 3 (no fighting game to date has topped that one), Metal Gear Solid, The Lunar series, Final Fantasy Tactics.
N64: Super Mario 64, both Zelda games, Conker's Bad Fur Day, Star Fox.
Dreamcast: Shenmue, Sonic Adventure series, Grandia 2, NFL2K.

I am going to eventually add two games that I am developing, a space shooter, and a Final Fantasy style RPG.

Favorite music:

1970s Soul, Final Fantasy music (yes, I am obsessed with Final Fantasy), Classical.

On 2001-12-02 08:55, anne579 wrote:

Just out of curiosity, I thought I'd do a quick survey to see what type of tv shows and video games, stuff like that different types prefer. I've always wondered what types are most likely to like drama/comedy/horror/musicals, etc. i'm an entj

I'm an INTP.

Favorite tv show/s

Yawn alert for normal people out there: History Channel, Discovery Channel, C-SPAN...you get the idea. I burned out on police-detective shows 15-20 years ago and do not really follow any sitcoms regularly. Cannot sit through Dallas or Dynasty or whatever may be on in that vein today.

Favorite movies:

This is a question I can never answer because I can never isolate a few movies above all others. So this is my list for this moment in time, which may be different tomorrow:

Full Metal Jacket: the first half -- I can never sit through the second half. It was just on again and that is why I remembered it.

Patton

Braveheart

Red River

Rio Bravo

The Shootist

Run Silent, Run Deep

The Hunt for Red October

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

Dirty Harry (and others in the series)

The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean

Any of the James Bond movies from the '60s

They Died With Their Boots On

(Like I said...ask me next week and I'll have a different list)

favorite plays:

I don't do plays. Nor ballet or anything like that.

Favorite video games

Microsoft Flight Simulator and Combat Flight Simulator.

Favorite music:

Country - the real stuff that so many hate, i.e. honky-tonk and the "classics" [guffaw] -- not the dentist's office waiting room crossover/pop stuff.

Classic Rock

Classical

Blues

Reggae

I don't do anything which might be heard in a lounge with plastic plants. No Broadway play music. No rap (well actually some of it is funny). No disco (actually some of it has sentimental value now along with its humor value). Not much on Big Bands. No progressive jazz (but I do like Dixieland jazz).


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I'm an INFJ, nearly INxJ


Favorite TV Shows:
I don't watch much TV, so the list will be short. It also includes some of the shows my 2 children watch.

SpongeBob Squarepants (yes, the writers of this MUST have been stoned!)
Invader Zim
Hey Arnold
Dexter's Laboratory
VH1 Behind the Music
A&E's Biography
E's True Hollywood Story
The Iron Chef (cross between a cooking show and a sports competition--go figure!)
Monty Python reruns on BBC
The Wild Thornberrys
programs on the History Channel and Discovery Channel

Movies:
Oh, where to start!
Let's see.

2001: A Space Odyssey
The Matrix
Fight Club
Prince of Tides
the Alien movies
Terminator (first one, only)
The Exorcist
Ferris Bueller's Day Off
Harold and Maude
Blue Velvet
Stranger than Paradise (Jim Jarmusch indie)
Shrek
the first Halloween
Dancer in the Dark
Animal House
O Brother Where Art Thou
Raising Arizona
The Secret Garden
Godfather 1 and 2
Titanic
The first half of Full Metal Jacket
The Shining
Clockwork Orange

This is a VERY incomplete list; I am an avid movie buff of both mainstream and independent films.

Music:
Here too, I am pretty eclectic. The following are the musical types I like best, depending on my mood.

1. 80s pop and new wave
2. 60s and 70s classic rock
3. Motown-era soul
4. 90s grunge & early alternative
5. Early (70s) punk
6. early rap (think RUN-DMC, Grandmaster Flash)
7. early-mid 60s pop and rock
8. classical
9. jazz
10. bluegrass and old-timey country

The only types of music I really dislike are death metal, hardcore and thrash, doo-wop 50s music, and overblown commercial Top-40 ballads (think Michael Bolton here), very hard later rap, riot-grrrl type bands. I think that's it. The new Millennial pop is alright, but uninspiring.

Plays:
Don't know; I don't attend them. I do like a lot of Broadway show tunes, though.

Video Games:
I don't really play them; the only video games I'm really familiar with are the ones my kids own. Back in the 80s, I went through a year-long phase where I became absolutely addicted to the arcade game Marble Madness (anyone remember this one? It came out eventually on Nintendo) and the original Legend of Zelda (Nintendo). The Mario games (and Yoshi) are really cute. Sometime I would like to play The Sims on my computer, and pretend I actually have a life! :lol:


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I'm an INFJ, 1956 cohort, old enough that the "F" is shifting towards "T." I suppose that if I have a favorite TV show at this point it would be "Enterprise." Or maybe "The Simpsons." But the last time I regularly watched any series was maybe ten years ago when I saw "Taxi" reruns. I did enjoy the Star Trek episodes for TNG, DS9, Voyager-the ones I saw anyway. My all time favorite movies include Foul Play, Leaving Normal, Dr. Strangelove, Jurassic Park. (If there is a pattern here I'm not quite sure what it is). The Secret Garden was a gem of a movie. Like that other Unraveling movie, Horse Whisperers, it is destined to be a rare classic that appeals to adults as well as kids. I also enjoyed the Missionary/Boomer relationship in Harold and Maudea. (A friend of mine rates movies on a scale of One to Ten-I'll be glad to see any Six and up). Plays? A couple years ago I saw a mockumentary of the Carpenters, "Uncomfortable Close To You." Music? I'm partial to early Awakening music-favorite performers include Melanie and Carole King. The Beatles. Also some of Carly Simon. I like some movie sound tracks that are written in Classical style. Video games? About the only exposure I had was Pac-Man in the early '80s. Four or five years ago I went to an arcade with some SF fans and did a virtual game-driving giant robots and shooting at each other.



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On 2001-12-02 15:42, Susan Brombacher wrote:

The first half of Full Metal Jacket

Good girl!

Clockwork Orange

Add this one to my list. Also add:

A Few Good Men: "You can't handle the truth!"

On 2001-12-02 16:01, Tim Walker wrote:

Dr. Strangelove

Add this one to my list too.

Add The Discovery Channels, The Learning Channel, and the History Channel on mine.

As for video games, how could I have forgotten Xenogears?

Whoa! Hold on here. I just noticed Robert had Full Metal Jacket listed too. Could this actually be one of the overall favorites of all time? I doubt that any film critic would have thought of it. And I'll bet that hardly anybody ever watches the second half. Get through boot camp and maybe hold on through "Me so horny. Me love you long time" and then your finger seems to hit the remote.

On 2001-12-02 16:54, Stonewall Patton wrote:
Whoa! Hold on here. I just noticed Robert had Full Metal Jacket listed too. Could this actually be one of the overall favorites of all time? I doubt that any film critic would have thought of it. And I'll bet that hardly anybody ever watches the second half. Get through boot camp and maybe hold on through "Me so horny. Me love you long time" and then your finger seems to hit the remote.

Exactly! :grin:

Referring to madscientist's breakdown of Jung's typology. Robert, how do you know which function is your dominant one?

Favorite tv show/s: Early Simpsons, Mystery on PBS, Frontline, Northern Exposure, Law & Order,

Favorite movies: Jules & Jim, Spartacus, Jason & the Argonauts, middle Ingemar Bergman, War & Peace (the long Rooskie version), Fellini Satyricon


favorite plays: Hamlet, Richard III, Duchess of Malfi, The White Devil, Evita, Suddenly Last Summer, Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf

Favorite video games-Deerhunter's revenge in which you are the hart armed with a weapon...hate the rest

Favorite music:Baroque, Mozart Operas, old Rolling Stones, B.B. King, Mahler symphonies,
Bob Marley...for its punishing power I firmly believe polka music is played in Hell with classic country at intermission.



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I notice that I like tales of heroics and other worlds on the silver screen and stories of domestic life/family get-togethers on stage.

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Hold on there--"Harold and Maude" was about a Missionary/Boomer relationship? Maybe you're right--I can't remember if Maude was turning 80 or 100 in the birthday scene. The film took place in the present at the time (1971 or so) so if Maude was turning 80, she was a Lost; if she was 100 then she'd be a Missionary. I'll have to watch it again to find out (or maybe you could refresh my memory, Tim). It *would* be interesting if she were a Missionary though. I bet you could count all the movies made about relationships between people of the same archetype (but different generations) on one hand. Lovers, no less? A sexual/romantic relationship between a 20-year old man and an old, old woman *sounds* distasteful, but in this movie it wasn't offensive at all, just sweet and funny. Good quirky Awakening-era movie that developed a cult following.

As for "Full Metal Jacket," this would have been a GREAT film on par with Kubrick's masterpieces 2001 or A Clockwork Orange had it not been for the painfully dull and overlong second "act." The first half should have been made longer and the second half trashed altogether. Who could ever forget Vincent D'Onofrio's classic line, "I'm living in a world of sh*t!"

I don't recall how old Maude was supposed to be. But do recall her idealism-and her romanticism. If she was a Lost she was most likely also an INFJ. Her enneagram was probably a number four "Romantic."

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On 2001-12-02 17:39, Donna Sherman wrote:
Referring to madscientist's breakdown of Jung's typology. Robert, how do you know which function is your dominant one?

Can you clarify you question a little bit more?