Originally Posted by David Krein

I'll finally bite as you guys have talking about Myers-Briggs forever

It is a sure indication of a slow news day. :wink:

Anyhow, I took the online test linked above and came out an E (22) N (44) T (44) J (11).

Vince Lamb has company. And it looks like your E is not even in doubt (a lot of Ns here were turning up maginally E when it seems clear that they are Is).

On the philosophy one, I was Idealism = 0, Realism = 10, Pragmatism = 9, and Existentialism = 3. Any comments?

Cool. I am not seeing yet where there is anything to this but let's log it and see if anybody picks up a pattern:


ENTJ Artist: Realism/Pragmatism





Mr. Saari:

I came out Idealist 10. Pragmatist 6. Realist/Existentialist 3/3. HTH

Let's log it and wait and see (maybe Robert has ideas):


INTP Prophet: Idealism/Pragmatism





Katie:

I've looked at lots of MBTI information online and taken several online tests, and I'm almost positive that I'm an ENFP. Moderate E, strong N, more of a borderline F, and a strong P. I suppose I could possibly be ENTP, especially since I remember reading that ENTP and ENFP share a dominant Ne function. I can relate to both descriptions, but I think ENFP is the closest match.

I have a question that I've been wondering about for a while. Considering that people with an N preference consist of only 25 % of the general population, would clusters of N types in families suggest that certain types and/or preferences are inherited? My own extended family contains a large number of Intuitives, especially NFs. Is that coincidence, hereditary, or perhaps something else?

Temperament is supposed to be your starting template determined by nature and should therefore be genetic (as opposed to personality which is the combined effect of nature/temperament and nurture/environment). However I am not certain what studies actually show with respect to heritability of specific functions or whole temperaments. Robert and Neisha are much better versed in this stuff and might have some answers.

I got:

Idealist 3
Realist 9
Pragmatist 8
Existentialist 6

I seem to have gotten the lowest Idealist rating so far, which may or may not correspond with my lack of "F" on the MBTI scale, as I consitently get "T" with the highest numbers. I'm not into "searching into oneself". It seems that half of today's college professors make their students do it to turn them into typical college ultra-liberals. Ugh.

Originally Posted by AlexMnWi

I got:

Idealist 3
Realist 9
Pragmatist 8
Existentialist 6

I seem to have gotten the lowest Idealist rating so far, which may or may not correspond with my lack of "F" on the MBTI scale, as I consitently get "T" with the highest numbers. I'm not into "searching into oneself". It seems that half of today's college professors make their students do it to turn them into typical college ultra-liberals. Ugh.

I don't think that Idealism is associated with F specifically. For example, I always score 95-100% T on that test. When I am feeling really generous and want to boost my F, I can come out as only 90%T giving F a full 10%. :wink: But of course I use Ti (as Mr. Saari does) whereas you may well use Te (as David Krein does).

That said, few definitive correlations were offered at that site. The one in particular that was linked N with Idealism (T and F were relatively neutral). So since you have been uncertain as to your true type, your results here may suggest that you prefer to use S as opposed to N. Then again, the philosophy test is sufficiently imprecise that you may actually be a Pragmatist, first and foremost, and of course ENTJ David scored high on this as well. In fact, your overall scores are really not all that different from David's. I think we can safely say that you are NTJ, STJ or STP. We still need to narrow that down further.

Originally Posted by Stonewall Patton

I found some links for MBTI and/or Enneagram addicts:


Here is a detailed report which attempts to tie MBTI and the Enneagram together. It also adds another axis leading to some sort of leadership analysis (I have not read it through yet):

http://cbae.nmsu.edu/~dboje/teaching...leadership.htm

You really should read it all the way through--very interesting ideas and analogies, especially using both Star Trek and Star Wars characters to illustrate the points about temperment and roles in a problem-solving team. It also analyzes the MBTIs of Bush and the team around him in dealing with the war on terrorism, and notes the deficiency of NT temperments. My one complaint is that it has some annoying typos (my extraverted sensing coming out )

The author also has interesting things to say about the utility of the Enneagram and how it explains differences in personality as a result of normal function, security, and stress much better than the MBTI, which concentrates on normal functioning. It also has the chart showing the correlation between MBTI and the Enneagram (which I still don't fit into--the two Enneagram types I could be are 5w6 or 9w1, neither one of which has ENTJ. However, I could naturally have been INTJ--a perfectly good MBTI personality for 5--and worked hard to be extraverted, which fits my recollection of my personality development as a teen. Also, ENTJ fits the personality types in the directions of security for both 5 and 9--8 and 3 respectively)

Yet another site:

http://tap3x.net/EMBTI/index2.html

Couldn't get that to work.

Here is a philosophy test which was linked from the top site linked above:

http://www.nd.edu/~rbarger/ross-barger

I took it and here are my results:

Realism: 8
Pragmatism: 8
Existentialism: 6
Idealism: 3

Not very Boomerish, is it? Much more Xer and GI-like!

I think I have a low score in idealism because of my disagreeing with the statements about the spiritual goals of education. I'm more and more inclined that education should be about spiritual goals, but I know that it just isn't.

The analysis at that site suggested a possible correlation between idealism and N (since it is associated with NF and NT), but held off on asserting any more substantial correlations between temperament/personality and philosophy.

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You didn't look far enough. It cited a study that showed a statistically significant correlation between NT temperment and both realism and pragmatism, which my results support. I think NF temperment also showed a correlation with realism.

BTW, this site also classifies George W. Bush as an ISTJ. Now I cannot believe that! Would ISTJs Kiff and Jenny have opinions on this? To my mind, the man is an SP all the way and most likely an SFP. E/I is a close call but I favor I. Therefore I see George W. Bush as an ISFP and, in fact, the site references author Otto Kroeger as having classified Junior as an ISFP. However there is yet another site I came across in all those links which also called Junior an ISTJ. It looks like Otto and I are all alone in calling him an ISFP but I stand by it. I in no way see ISTJ.

If you looked further, you'd have seen that W is acting more like an ESTP (sometimes an ESTJ--an example of poor editing), which fits my pegging him as an Enneagram 6, probably a 6w7. ISTJ would make him a 6w5, which is what his dad is.

Speaking of Enneagram 6, get a load of this description of a low-average 6 from the Enneagram Institute website:

"To compensate for insecurities, they become sarcastic and belligerent, blaming others for their problems, taking a tough stance toward "outsiders." Highly reactive and defensive, dividing people into friends and enemies, while looking for threats to their own security. Authoritarian while fearful of authority, highly suspicious, yet, conspiratorial, and fear-instilling to silence their own fears"

Gee, I wonder if that reminds anyone here of either a political figure...or a participant here?

To read more about Type 6, click on the link below:

http://enneagraminstitute.com/TypeSix.asp

Originally Posted by Vince Lamb '59

You really should read it all the way through--very interesting ideas and analogies, especially using both Star Trek and Star Wars characters to illustrate the points about temperment and roles in a problem-solving team. It also analyzes the MBTIs of Bush and the team around him in dealing with the war on terrorism, and notes the deficiency of NT temperments. My one complaint is that it has some annoying typos (my extraverted sensing coming out )

I'll go ahead and read it. I did take note of their typing when I scanned it and it annoyed me. I already mentioned that they typed George W. Bush is an ISTJ and I would bet the whole pot that he is not. ISTJs are hard-working and rock-solid dependable and they do not run businesses into the ground. In fact, I would almost bet the whole pot that he is SFP. SFPs are good people but they are apt to run businesses into the ground, as Junior has done (and as I as an INTP am liable to do), because it is not their natural calling. Junior has spent his life in the wrong line of work and he remains in the wrong line of work today. However he is perfectly suited to be a puppet. :wink:

But I just recalled that they typed Al Gore as INTP. An INTP???? :lol: :lol: :lol: I am not sure what Al is but are there any INTPs in the house who honestly feel that Al is cut from the same cloth? I doubt it. He could easily be an INTJ. Could you see Al as a fellow INTJ, Vince?

But the one thing I noted is that Keirsey was described as an INFJ and, seeing as I disagree with many of Keirsey's typings, I am beginning to see a possible explanation for these divergent opinions. If the author of that site is INFJ, then there is real consistency. The author is matching Keirsey in calling George W. Bush an STJ as well as calling a number of other people a number of other things I question. Oddly, Eric Meece typed people similarly to Keirsey and this other author and I really think Eric might be an INFJ (Neisha has had a similar problem testing as NTP when she is in fact INFJ, but that is a different story). So we may be looking at consistency with respect to the differing perceptions of INFJs and INTPs (who in fact use the same judging functions but in reverse order). It might be interesting to take a closer look at this.

It also has the chart showing the correlation between MBTI and the Enneagram (which I still don't fit into--the two Enneagram types I could be are 5w6 or 9w1, neither one of which has ENTJ.

I commented on this in detail on the other thread, but I think you are still biologically an INTJ (i.e., you use Ni over Te). You are simply a more extraverted INTJ. That test is terrible at typing Ns anyway because it routinely types Is as Es. Originally, I tested as a marginal E for ENTP but I am definitely an INTP architect, not an ENTP inventor. However I am certainly much more extraverted and social than so many of my monkish INTP brethren. The same is probably true of you. Are you really a hard-ass Field Marshal in real life? I doubt it.

You should be a rather extraverted INTJ and a 5w6, and that is 100% consistent.

Yet another site:

http://tap3x.net/EMBTI/index2.html

Couldn't get that to work.

You may need javascript on to work it but it opened for me from the link copied in your post. At any rate, I hit the link to go to the index page and this is it:

http://tap3x.net/EMBTI/mainpage.html

This is a normal page which should work for you.

I took it and here are my results:

Realism: 8
Pragmatism: 8
Existentialism: 6
Idealism: 3

Not very Boomerish, is it? Much more Xer and GI-like!

Well, there is a fair bit of consistency between you, Dave Krein, and Alex. I am not sure that we are seeing any generational correlations but we may be seeing temperament correlations. I wish we knew for sure what Alex's temperament is.

I am willing to bet that Mr. Saari's and my consistency will bear out that INTP (Ti/Ne) favors Idealism. Yours and Dave's results suggest that NTJ (Ni/Te) favors Realism and Pragmatism almost equally. Short of Dave taking the Enneagram, I am going to assume that he truly is an ENTJ since he is so far over toward E. And I will assume that you truly are an INTJ based upon your Enneagram consistency. So between you and Dave, we may see the difference between Ni dominating Te and Te dominating Ni. But I am not sure that any meaningful difference is represented in your results. It is possible that you as an INTJ are much more existentialist than Dave. We would need other INTJ results to be sure.

Along similar lines, I'd be interested in seeing some INFJ results since it is assumed that they are Idealists. Surely they will differ from INTPs who also appear to be Idealists. I tend to think that Eric Meece is an INFJ and I have the impression that he might score highly on Existentialism although I may have misunderstood him. Fellow Idealists INFJs and INTPs may differ over their secondary preferences. Perhaps INFJs Tim Walker and Neisha might like to take the thing.

I think I have a low score in idealism because of my disagreeing with the statements about the spiritual goals of education. I'm more and more inclined that education should be about spiritual goals, but I know that it just isn't.

For whatever it is worth, I generally answered those in the negative as well and I am still far and away an Idealist. But obviously I see the hand of a Higher Power behind much more than you do, in general, and that would account for the difference. Those education questions would only have boosted your Idealism score by 2 or 3 points.

The analysis at that site suggested a possible correlation between idealism and N (since it is associated with NF and NT), but held off on asserting any more substantial correlations between temperament/personality and philosophy.

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You didn't look far enough. It cited a study that showed a statistically significant correlation between NT temperment and both realism and pragmatism, which my results support. I think NF temperment also showed a correlation with realism.

I noticed that yet the author was denying the correlations in his analysis, going so far as to assert that there is no serious correlation between temperament and philosophy. It left me wondering whether the table had been miscopied. He seemed to be rejecting the earlier research which he cited (or maybe I do need to read the thing through).

If you looked further, you'd have seen that W is acting more like an ESTP (sometimes an ESTJ--an example of poor editing), which fits my pegging him as an Enneagram 6, probably a 6w7. ISTJ would make him a 6w5, which is what his dad is.

In my opinion, his dad is an ISFJ. There is a certain intensity to ISTJs which I do not see in Sr. But I do see Fe, consistent with ISFJ.

I see Junior as a clear Seven, judging by his lifelong history, which means I will opt for ESFP over ISFP, joining Kiff. I'll go with 7w6 which I imagine is pretty close to your 6w7.

Speaking of Enneagram 6, get a load of this description of a low-average 6 from the Enneagram Institute website:

"To compensate for insecurities, they become sarcastic and belligerent, blaming others for their problems, taking a tough stance toward "outsiders." Highly reactive and defensive, dividing people into friends and enemies, while looking for threats to their own security. Authoritarian while fearful of authority, highly suspicious, yet, conspiratorial, and fear-instilling to silence their own fears"

Gee, I wonder if that reminds anyone here of either a political figure...or a participant here?

If one really believes that Junior is not a puppet, then that fits to a tee. But all he is doing is reading cue cards which a bunch of Sixes (I guess?) have written for him. When he doesn't have the cards in front of him, he cannot even get "Shame on..." straight!

On the last MBTI that I took, I got ISTJ. Honestly, T4T is one of the N parts of me, but most of the time I use my S traits. I is a given (Sounds like a grammar error, doesn't it). T is also a given. Now that summer is long over, my J has gotten stronger.

On the Eannengram (SIC) I got a type 6, I'm not sure what the exact code was.

I already said that I got this on the Philosophy test so I am reposting it here.

Idealist 3
Realist 9
Pragmatist 8
Existentialist 6

Alex:

I earlier limited it to NTJ, STJ, or STP. Since you are firmly I, that makes it INTJ, ISTJ, or ISTP. I only include ISTP because we have no indication of how an ISTP might score on that philosophy test. But, in general, I do not get the impression that you might be ISTP. So that leaves ISTJ and INTJ and it would all depende on N versus S. How strongly (or weakly) do you favor S?

To follow Stonewall's suggestion, I just took the short version of the enneagrasm (I'll be damned if I'll pay anybody $10 to take a test). Anyhow I came out a 3 (7 pts), followed by 8 (6 pts), and 5 and 7 (both 5 points). I have no idea what it means other than the rather pat personality descriptions they provide.


Pax,

Dave Krein '42

Actually, Stonewall, I consistently test INTJ, but that description doesn't fit me well. I think that's how we started down the NTP path . . .

When I get a spare moment, I'll take the test.

Originally Posted by David Krein

To follow Stonewall's suggestion, I just took the short version of the enneagrasm (I'll be damned if I'll pay anybody $10 to take a test).

No, no, DO NOT PAY to take these silly things. There is enough out there for free. But I really hesitated to mention the Enneagram to you because we all had difficulty finding good tests originally. I believe the one site is www.9types.com (is that right, Vince?). There is a free RHETI which does not tell you much of anything. However there was a second experimental test linked from the same page and it provided much clearer results. I hope that second test is still there. Beyond that, there is the Duniho test which may be linked in these sites linked above and that gives clear results with a different methodolgy. I would look for consistency between the non-RHETI test on the 9types site and the distinct test on the Duniho site. Or Vince may have a better suggestion because I really never have understood the Enneagram.

Anyhow I came out a 3 (7 pts), followed by 8 (6 pts), and 5 and 7 (both 5 points). I have no idea what it means other than the rather pat personality descriptions they provide.

I'll bet you took the RHETI. It gives you all those scores which run close together such that you have no confidence that you have isolated the right type. Ah, I just spun by www.9types.com and I see that the "New Test" is still there. You should get clearer results from that. Also, I just turned up the Duniho test with the different methodolgy here:

http://www.duniho.com/fergus/enneagram/test/

That gives highly distinct results (completely unlike the RHETI) and I look for consistency between Duniho and the "New Test" on 9types.

This is why I hesitated, David, because you have to take two or three of these Enneagram things before you are confident of your true type. But once you do have it, it should help validate your true MBTI type as well.

Originally Posted by Stonewall Patton

Originally Posted by David Krein

To follow Stonewall's suggestion, I just took the short version of the enneagrasm (I'll be damned if I'll pay anybody $10 to take a test).

No, no, DO NOT PAY to take these silly things. There is enough out there for free. But I really hesitated to mention the Enneagram to you because we all had difficulty finding good tests originally. I believe the one site is www.9types.com (is that right, Vince?). There is a free RHETI which does not tell you much of anything. However there was a second experimental test linked from the same page and it provided much clearer results. I hope that second test is still there. Beyond that, there is the Duniho test which may be linked in these sites linked above and that gives clear results with a different methodolgy. I would look for consistency between the non-RHETI test on the 9types site and the distinct test on the Duniho site. Or Vince may have a better suggestion because I really never have understood the Enneagram.

Anyhow I came out a 3 (7 pts), followed by 8 (6 pts), and 5 and 7 (both 5 points). I have no idea what it means other than the rather pat personality descriptions they provide.

I'll bet you took the RHETI. It gives you all those scores which run close together such that you have no confidence that you have isolated the right type. Ah, I just spun by www.9types.com and I see that the "New Test" is still there. You should get clearer results from that. Also, I just turned up the Duniho test with the different methodolgy here:

http://www.duniho.com/fergus/enneagram/test/

That gives highly distinct results (completely unlike the RHETI) and I look for consistency between Duniho and the "New Test" on 9types.

This is why I hesitated, David, because you have to take two or three of these Enneagram things before you are confident of your true type. But once you do have it, it should help validate your true MBTI type as well.

4 w 5; my scores were
-1 -3 -2 7 3 0 -4 4 -4

IRPE: 6846 HTH

FWIW:

Enneagram results:
Type/Result
1/5
2/0
3/3
4/2
5/7
6/3
7/7
8/4
9/5

Philosophy Profile: (I almost won the low idealism award :-? )

Idealism: 1
Realism: 8
Pragmatism: 5
Existentialism: 7

I also took the MMBI, but lost the results. I'll take it again later.

Originally Posted by David '47

FWIW:

Enneagram results:
Type/Result
1/5
2/0
3/3
4/2
5/7
6/3
7/7
8/4
9/5

Philosophy Profile: (I almost won the low idealism award :-? )

Idealism: 1
Realism: 8
Pragmatism: 5
Existentialism: 7

I also took the MMBI, but lost the results. I'll take it again later.

David, those are neat results. Vince would have to confirm whether you took a reliable Enneagram test or not. But if we trust these scores, then you are portrayed as a 5w6. That is usually associated with IxTJ. Indeed your philosophy scores have something of the flavor of INTJ Vince's with elevated Existentialism as opposed to ENTJ. I see a consistent suggestion of INTJ here.

The only thing that gets me is that you have described yourself as a proud communitarian in the past. Is that typical of INTJ? I would think that you are more INFJ or something very similar. It will be interesting to see what you get.

According to the Duniho test, which I took several months ago, I am essentially 4w5. This is pretty consistent on the other tests, though on one (I forget which) I scored as a 5w4. I am an MBTI type INFP, which is the equivalent of a 4w5. But occasionally I have come out as INTP, which would correlate with the occasional score as a 5w4.

Originally Posted by AlexMnWi

I got:

Idealist 3
Realist 9
Pragmatist 8
Existentialist 6

I seem to have gotten the lowest Idealist rating so far, which may or may not correspond with my lack of "F" on the MBTI scale, as I consitently get "T" with the highest numbers. I'm not into "searching into oneself". It seems that half of today's college professors make their students do it to turn them into typical college ultra-liberals. Ugh.

Dave Krein has the lowest idealist score with a big fat goose egg.

My scores are Idealist 2, Realist 9, Pragmatist 10 (hey I'm an engineer) existentialist 8.

Originally Posted by Mike Alexander '59

Originally Posted by AlexMnWi

I got:

Idealist 3
Realist 9
Pragmatist 8
Existentialist 6

I seem to have gotten the lowest Idealist rating so far, which may or may not correspond with my lack of "F" on the MBTI scale, as I consitently get "T" with the highest numbers. I'm not into "searching into oneself". It seems that half of today's college professors make their students do it to turn them into typical college ultra-liberals. Ugh.

Dave Krein has the lowest idealist score with a big fat goose egg.

My scores are Idealist 2, Realist 9, Pragmatist 10 (hey I'm an engineer) existentialist 8.

Mike, I seem to recall that you are type Seven, am I right? That would correspond with ExxP on MBTI and I do seem to recall either you or Vince discussing the fact that you were exactly that and even not 100% certain as to whether you prefer N or S or T or F. Are you confident of your MBTI and Enneagram types?

I just took the one at www.9types.com and it determined that I am type 5 (score of 15). I think this kind of makes since. However, as with any such test, I have difficulty answering black-and-white questions. There is often no single choice that is best for me. Yet the results do somewhat describe how a think. How well have they worked for others in this forum?

I also came out as an INTP on the http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk test.

Originally Posted by Chris Loyd '82

does anyone here have a fascination with other natural human languages, and writing systems? Omniglot is a favorite. Love that D'ni alphabet.

Indeed I too have a fascination with such things. I don't know much about the D'ni alphabet besides what I read from the three books in the myst series, but the script is very elegant. I have created several scripts of my own, mainly to aid me in the writing of stories I have begun.

Originally Posted by Hari Seldon

I also came out as an INTP on the http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk test.

Originally Posted by Chris Loyd '82

does anyone here have a fascination with other natural human languages, and writing systems? Omniglot is a favorite. Love that D'ni alphabet.

Indeed I too have a fascination with such things. I don't know much about the D'ni alphabet besides what I read from the three books in the myst series, but the script is very elegant. I have created several scripts of my own, mainly to aid me in the writing of stories I have begun.

as am I... if I remember correctly James EF Landau created the language of Kankatoan while he was still with us

So.

I score as follows:

Idealist -- 2
Realist -- 10
Pragmatist -- 9
Existentialist -- 7

However, I didn't really find most of the questions conducive to yes/no answers.

For reference, I re-took the other tests, and:

Duniho -- 5(15 pts) (followed by 9, 7, and 1 (11, 10, and 10 respectively)

9 types 'new test' -- 4 and 7 both scored '3', and 5 scored '2'

RHETI -- 5 scored a '7', and both 3 and 8 scored a '5'

MMDI called me an ISTP

As does the Kiersey II.

Originally Posted by Stonewall Patton

Originally Posted by David '47

FWIW:

Enneagram results:
Type/Result
1/5
2/0
3/3
4/2
5/7
6/3
7/7
8/4
9/5

Philosophy Profile: (I almost won the low idealism award :-? )

Idealism: 1
Realism: 8
Pragmatism: 5
Existentialism: 7

I also took the MMBI, but lost the results. I'll take it again later.

David, those are neat results. Vince would have to confirm whether you took a reliable Enneagram test or not. But if we trust these scores, then you are portrayed as a 5w6. That is usually associated with IxTJ. Indeed your philosophy scores have something of the flavor of INTJ Vince's with elevated Existentialism as opposed to ENTJ. I see a consistent suggestion of INTJ here.

The most common MBTI reslts I gotten in the past have been xNTP, with the P being somewhat less dominant than the very strong N and T. I've tested I recently, but E in the past - maybe I'm getting antisocial in my advancing middle age :lol:

The only thing that gets me is that you have described yourself as a proud communitarian in the past. Is that typical of INTJ? I would think that you are more INFJ or something very similar. It will be interesting to see what you get.

I'm a communitarian in the sense that I agree with communal solutions to society's problems. I think socialized medicine is preferable to our insurance based option, for example. Where I'm not a communitarian is in the area of personal rights (privileges?), where I believe that personal behavior should be left to each person's choice as long as it doesn't do harm of affect another person's right to do the same.

In short, I prefer communal approaches when dealing from a position of weakness, and libertarian approaches elsewise. That may be selfish ... or just boomerish.

[quote="Stonewall Patton"]

BTW, this site also classifies George W. Bush as an ISTJ. Now I cannot believe that! Would ISTJs Kiff and Jenny have opinions on this? To my mind, the man is an SP all the way and most likely an SFP. E/I is a close call but I favor I. Therefore I see George W. Bush as an ISFP and, in fact, the site references author Otto Kroeger as having classified Junior as an ISFP. However there is yet another site I came across in all those links which also called Junior an ISTJ. It looks like Otto and I are all alone in calling him an ISFP but I stand by it. I in no way see ISTJ.

I would have to agree with you here. ISFP does sound about right. One thing I read somewhere is that INTPs and ISFPs generally do not get along, and normally see the dark side of each other's personality. The reasoning behind this is that the irrational component of each Jungian function for each type is the opposite.

An ISFP is FiSeNiTe, while the INTP is TiNeSiFe.

This article goes more into depth of GWB's persona: http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special...rsh091202.html

Being in his 50s, it is likely that his NiTe axis is now well developed. His Te seems to be driving him to declare war on Iraq. His Ni is likely giving him "insights" that it is his god-given duty to invade Iraq. Bush rarely likes to show his primary axis, but he definitely did reveal it when he appealed to the war saying that Saddam tried to kill his father.

Originally Posted by Stonewall Patton

Clearly, the whole flavor of this administration and the words Junior uses are SJ. So the question is: are they Junior's words or somebody else's? Is Junior in charge or is someone else? If one answers in the former in both cases, then Junior is an STJ. If one answers in the latter in both cases, then Junior is an SFP. It is just amazing that such a divided perception exists in the country.

With as many mistakes as Bush makes, it is clear that his words are scripted. The people who are really running things are Cheney and Rumsfeld. I would think that Cheney is the ISTJ. I'm not sure what Rumsfeld is, but definitely an xxTJ. He could be an N, as he seems to have a "vision" of a large global militaristic expansion, as well as a vision of using the military to expand the US empire into orbit and to the moon by 2020.

I came out as all fives in this test. However, the fact that the Idealist questions made far too many references to god (being an atheist) has really kept that score low.