Re: A vocabulary test
And I, 163. Now, if I could just figure out what telemones, litotes, salmagundi, and gallimaufry mean, I could die happyOriginally Posted by Kiff '61
I got 166. Admittedly, I guessed on quite a few responses. ;-)
Re: A vocabulary test
158... not bad for a math guyAnd I, 163. Now, if I could just figure out what telemones, litotes, salmagundi, and gallimaufry mean, I could die happyI got 166. Admittedly, I guessed on quite a few responses. ;-)
I always get ISTJ on tests and such but after reading their descriptions, I feel a lot more like an INTJ than an ISTJ.
Also, on my PLAN (P-ACT) test, it said that I would make a good accountant and so forth (it asked me personality and interest questions), but that would be so BORING! I want to major in Political Science, because I'm really interested in it (I watch election returns like a lot of people follow sports). Any advice?
1987 INTP
Become an accountant for the GOP and help them "buy" elections with donations from the "rich" as opposed to the "really rich" Democrats. Learn to "launder" donations...a life skill that may transfer to either the public or private sector. You could be the "Robert Rubin" of your Generation!!! HTH
Sometimes it really depends on how they word the questions. I usually get a weak Feeling score on MBTI tests, and occasionally cross over to T, but the ENFP descriptions are much more accurate than the ENTP ones. Alot of the questions seem to force you to choose between two extremes - like you aren't an F if you aren't very emotional. I guess tests are ok as a guide, but it makes a heck of alot more sense to go with whatever description fits you better.
Much madness is divinest sense. -- Emily Dickinson
How about becoming a pollster? Collecting and analyzing election data should be right up your alley.
I suppose I could major in Political Science and go work for the GOP (probably state level), as one of those people who works with data. Like a GOP Wonk.
1987 INTP
I was thinking that there was a separate philosophy thread. If there is, I cannot find it. In any case, I am pasting in Eric's response to Kiff from the religion thread so as to keep the discussions separate.
I indeed have kept track. It's hard to post an actual circle on the web, so I posted quadrants. I can list the results by quadrant, and also start with the top and go around to the left (where most people here fall, on the "prickly" side rather than the "gooey" side) according to the direction they would end up if their score were projected out to the edge of the circle (the way Stonewall plotted the political test)
upper left, essentialist
Susan B/Heliotrope 2R 35S (theology/theosophy) INFP
Ally Bear 8R 33S (theology/theosophy) ESFJ
Kiff (2nd test) 15R 39S (theology/theosophy) ISTJ
Neisha 13R 30S (theology/theosophy) INFJ
Virgil Saari 10R 20S (theory/ideas) INTP
Mr. Sherman 9R 14S (theory/ideas) ESTP
Katie 85, 21R 31S (theology/theosophy) ENFP
Stonewall (latest test) 36R 38S (truth/eternal values) INTP
Vince Lamb 22R 21S (theory/ideas) ENTP
William '84/#2/mmailliw 9R 7S (theory/ideas) ENTJ
Donna Sherman 31R 6S (purpose/ideals) ENTP/INTJ
lower left, rationalist
AlexMnWi 32R 25M (reliability/natural law) ISTJ
Croaker 17R 14M (explanation/manipulation)
Justin '77 25R 30M (reliability/natural law) ISTP/ENTP
Dave Krein 7R 36M (prediction/engineering) ENTJ
right (none so far in lower right, empiricist)
Xer of Evil 15E 0S/M (reverence/pragmatism)
upper right, existentialist
Eric Meece 8E 50S (spiritism/psychism) INTP
http://www.california.com/~eameece/questionnaire.htm
Okay, after reading some better type descriptions, I do think that I am an ISTJ, because some of the stuff in there actually fits me very well. I don't know why I said I feel like an INTJ. I guess I'm 75% I (the 25% E is that I act before I think), 80% S (the 20% N is that I mentally live in the future), 60% T (The 40% F is that I prefer consensus, as well as peace within the family and the nation (I still support a War in Iraq, however)), and 60% J (The 40% P is that I like to mix work with play and I work best when I am being rushed by an immediately approaching deadline (as opposed to working best far ahead of the deadline)). So, I am ISTJ for the most part.
Here is a good ISTJ description, where I will compare it to my personality.
My watch is set exactly to the school bells (which unfortunately are 5 minutes ahead of the real time). It it gets so much as 5 seconds off, I reset my watch.ISTJs are often called inspectors. They have a keen sense of right and wrong, especially in their area of interest and/or responsibility. They are noted for devotion to duty. Punctuality is a watchword of the ISTJ. The secretary, clerk, or business(wo)man by whom others set their clocks is likely to be an ISTJ.
I bottle up my emotions, unless I am alone and no one can see me. Then I talk to myself. Or at least I think aloud. I don't go having full conversations with myself or anythingAs do other Introverted Thinkers, ISTJs often give the initial impression of being aloof and perhaps somewhat cold. Effusive expression of emotional warmth is not something that ISTJs do without considerable energy loss.
I even have a set procedure for waiting for the bus in the morning. I can see a mile or two down the road from my house (up on a hill). At 7:15, I start looking for the bus. Once it disappears down the hill a mile south of my house, I wait for exactly 20 seconds to pass on my watch. Then I walk down my driveway, and the bus shows up not more than 20 seconds after I get down there. It really helps in winter.ISTJs are most at home with "just the facts, Ma'am." They seem to perform at highest efficiency when employing a step-by-step approach. Once a new procedure has proven itself (i.e., has been shown "to work,")the ISTJ can be depended upon to carry it through, even at the expense of their own health.
It's hard to say. I haven't had any major experiences where this trait has been tested. Well, here's one about the "inconsistencies of others" part. I am in Yearbook and we have to take pictures at 5 events per quarter to get an A. I will go to a JV game and someone is supposed to show up for Varsity. I get extremely frustrated when they don't show up until 5 minutes after Varsity starts. God, is that annoying.ISTJs are easily frustrated by the inconsistencies of others, especially when the second parties don't keep their commitments. But they usually keep their feelings to themselves unless they are asked. And when asked, they don't mince words. Truth wins out over tact. The grim determination of the ISTJ vindicates itself in officiation of sports events, judiciary functions, or an other situation which requires making tough calls and sticking to them.
Needless to say, I don't really appreciate protests. I don't even like protests if I agree with the protesting group's position. I really don't like anti-abortion protesters, and I'm anti-abortion.His SJ orientation draws the ISTJ into the service of established institutions. Home, social clubs, government, schools, the military, churches -- these are the bastions of the SJ. "We've always done it this way" is often reason enough for many ISTJs. Threats to time-honored traditions or established organizations (e.g., a "run" on the bank) are the undoing of SJs, and are to be fought at all costs.
That part about "A 'proper' chair..." really sounds like me. Say for example, when my family goes on multi-county road trips, say up North. I will go online (to the same website every time) for directions, and I will get very upset and frustrated when my Dad doesn't go the "correct" way, which just happens to be almost every single time.Functional Analysis
Introverted Sensing
Si is oriented toward the world of forms, essences, generics. Time is such a form, a quantifiable essense of exactitude, the standard to which external events are held. For both of the IS_J types, the sense of propriety comes from the clear definition of these internal forms. An apple "should" have certain qualities, against which all apples are evaluated. A "proper" chair has four legs, (and other qualities this poor INTP can only guess). Jung viewed introverted sensing as something of an oxymoron, in that the natural direction of senses is outward toward the object, rather than inward and away from it. One has the sense that Introverted Sensors are drawn more to the measure of the concept of the perceived object than to the experience of that perception.
Well, I suppose. I don't have a whole lot of catch phrases/routine phrases, although whenever someone says "Hi" to me in the hallway, I will say "hey" back, almost every single time. I also don't talk very often, except when explaining facts to someone, who for example needs help with his homework. I rarely talk for social purposes except with people I know very well, and have known for a long time, mostly relatives.Extraverted Thinking
The moderation of the Te function serves to socialize the expression of these forms. When the Si function is ready to relinquish the data, Te may speak. Otherwise, silence is golden. ISTJs seem to have a few favorite forms (the tried and true) which may serve for most occasions. My ISTJ dad woke me every morning with the same phrase for more years than I care to remember. Asked, "How are you?" he answered with the same stock phrase. ("As well as my age and habits will permit" was used for about two decades.) "It's a good form, a sound form--it's the form for me."
The first part of that doesn't sound like me at all. Although I don't often express my feelings, I am what I call an "internal optimist". I feel internally, but I don't think "we are all doomed". Perhaps that is generational, wheras a Boomer ISTJ would probably meet that description.Introverted Feeling
Since Fi is turned inward, it is rarely expressed. Perhaps this enables the ISTJ to resolutely accept that "we are all doomed." When told that Lazarus had died, Thomas said, "Let us go and die with him." (He could just as well have said something like, "I knew this was bound to happen sooner or later.") Only in times of great distress is the Introverted Feeling expressed (as I witnessed in my dad when a neighbor's son was killed in a hunting accident). Otherwise, feeling is inferred, or expressed nonverbally, through eye contact, or an encouraging smile.
Well, maybe. One example I can think of is whenever we read a book in English, sometimes we watch the movie. I imagine the protagonist as looking one way, while in the movie they look like someone I wouldn't usually like without having read the book first.Extraverted iNtuition
The Ne function of an ISTJ does not serve her very well. It needs a lot of help. She was surprised, for example, to find that someone she had talked with only by phone had red hair, because she "didn't usually like" people with red hair! This inferior Ne seems to be a major source of, and a natural breeding ground for, stereotypes. Failure of the banking system is but one bogeyman which arises from the fear which feeds on the ISTJ's mistrust of real world possibilities. The shadow inhabiting the inferior Ne strikes at the precious forms and standards in the heart of the dominant Si function.
1987 INTP
On Introverts
I found this amusing.
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"Pursuits & Retreats" -- THE ATLANTIC, MARCH 2003
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CARING FOR YOUR INTROVERT
The habits and needs of a little-understood group
by Jonathan Rauch
Do you know someone who needs hours alone every day? Who loves quiet
conversations about feelings or ideas, and can give a dynamite presentation
to a big audience, but seems awkward in groups and maladroit at small talk?
Who has to be dragged to parties and then needs the rest of the day to
recuperate? Who growls or scowls or grunts or winces when accosted with
pleasantries by people who are just trying to be nice?
If so, do you tell this person he is "too serious," or ask if he is okay?
Regard him as aloof, arrogant, rude? Redouble your efforts to draw him out?
If you answered yes to these questions, chances are that you have an
introvert on your hands ?€” and that you aren't caring for him properly.
Science has learned a good deal in recent years about the habits and
requirements of introverts. It has even learned, by means of brain scans,
that introverts process information differently from other people (I am not
making this up). If you are behind the curve on this important matter, be
reassured that you are not alone. Introverts may be common, but they are also
among the most misunderstood and aggrieved groups in America, possibly the
world.
I know. My name is Jonathan, and I am an introvert.
Oh, for years I denied it. After all, I have good social skills. I am not
morose or misanthropic. Usually. I am far from shy. I love long conversations
that explore intimate thoughts or passionate interests. But at last I have
self-identified and come out to my friends and colleagues. In doing so, I
have found myself liberated from any number of damaging misconceptions and
stereotypes.
Now I am here to tell you what you need to know in order to respond
sensitively and supportively to your own introverted family members, friends,
and colleagues. Remember, someone you know, respect, and interact with every
day is an introvert, and you are probably driving this person nuts. It pays
to learn the warning signs.
What is introversion? In its modern sense, the concept goes back to the 1920s
and the psychologist Carl Jung. Today it is a mainstay of personality tests,
including the widely used Myers-Briggs Type Indicator. Introverts are not
necessarily shy. Shy people are anxious or frightened or self-excoriating in
social settings; introverts generally are not. Introverts are also not
misanthropic, though some of us do go along with Sartre as far as to say
"Hell is other people at breakfast."
Rather, introverts are people who find other people tiring.
Extroverts are energized by people, and wilt or fade when alone. They often
seem bored by themselves, in both senses of the _expression. Leave an
extrovert alone for two minutes and he will reach for his cell phone. In
contrast, after an hour or two of being socially "on," we introverts need to
turn off and recharge.
My own formula is roughly two hours alone for every hour of socializing. This
isn't antisocial. It isn't a sign of depression. It does not call for
medication. For introverts, to be alone with our thoughts is as restorative
as sleeping, as nourishing as eating. Our motto: "I'm okay, you're okay ?€” in
small doses."
How many people are introverts? I performed exhaustive research on this
question, in the form of a quick Google search. The answer: About 25 percent.
Or: Just under half. Or ?€” my favorite ?€” "a minority in the regular
population but a majority in the gifted population."
Are introverts misunderstood? Wildly. That, it appears, is our lot in life.
"It is very difficult for an extrovert to understand an introvert," write the
education experts Jill D. Burruss and Lisa Kaenzig. (They are also the source
of the quotation in the previous paragraph.) Extroverts are easy for
introverts to understand, because extroverts spend so much of their time
working out who they are in voluble, and frequently inescapable, interaction
with other people. They are as inscrutable as puppy dogs.
But the street does not run both ways. Extroverts have little or no grasp of
introversion. They assume that company, especially their own, is always
welcome. They cannot imagine why someone would need to be alone; indeed, they
often take umbrage at the suggestion.
As often as I have tried to explain the matter to extroverts, I have never
sensed that any of them really understood. They listen for a moment and then
go back to barking and yipping.
Are introverts oppressed? I would have to say so. For one thing, extroverts
are overrepresented in politics, a profession in which only the garrulous are
really comfortable. Look at George W. Bush. Look at Bill Clinton. They seem
to come fully to life only around other people.
To think of the few introverts who did rise to the top in politics ?€” Calvin
Coolidge, Richard Nixon ?€” is merely to drive home the point. With the
possible exception of Ronald Reagan, whose fabled aloofness and privateness
were probably signs of a deep introverted streak (many actors, I've read, are
introverts, and many introverts, when socializing, feel like actors),
introverts are not considered "naturals" in politics.
Extroverts therefore dominate public life. This is a pity. If we introverts
ran the world, it would no doubt be a calmer, saner, more peaceful sort of
place. As Coolidge is supposed to have said, "Don't you know that four-fifths
of all our troubles in this life would disappear if we would just sit down
and keep still?" (He is also supposed to have said, "If you don't say
anything, you won't be called on to repeat it." The only thing a true
introvert dislikes more than talking about himself is repeating himself.)
With their endless appetite for talk and attention, extroverts also dominate
social life, so they tend to set expectations. In our extrovertist society,
being outgoing is considered normal and therefore desirable, a mark of
happiness, confidence, leadership. Extroverts are seen as big-hearted,
vibrant, warm, empathic. "People person" is a compliment. Introverts are
described with words like "guarded," "loner," "reserved," "taciturn,"
"self-contained," "private" ?€” narrow, ungenerous words, words that suggest
emotional parsimony and smallness of personality.
Female introverts, I suspect, must suffer especially. In certain circles,
particularly in the Midwest, a man can still sometimes get away with being
what they used to call a strong and silent type; introverted women, lacking
that alternative, are even more likely than men to be perceived as timid,
withdrawn, haughty.
Are introverts arrogant? Hardly. I suppose this common misconception has to
do with our being more intelligent, more reflective, more independent, more
level-headed, more refined, and more sensitive than extroverts. Also, it is
probably due to our lack of small talk, a lack that extroverts often mistake
for disdain. We tend to think before talking, whereas extroverts tend to
think by talking, which is why their meetings never last less than six hours.
"Introverts," writes a perceptive fellow named Thomas P. Crouser, in an
online review of a recent book called Why Should Extroverts Make All the
Money? (I'm not making that up, either), "are driven to distraction by the
semi-internal dialogue extroverts tend to conduct. Introverts don't outwardly
complain, instead roll their eyes and silently curse the darkness." Just so.
The worst of it is that extroverts have no idea of the torment they put us
through. Sometimes, as we gasp for air amid the fog of their
98-percent-content-free talk, we wonder if extroverts even bother to listen
to themselves. Still, we endure stoically, because the etiquette books ?€”
written, no doubt, by extroverts ?€” regard declining to banter as rude and
gaps in conversation as awkward.
We can only dream that someday, when our condition is more widely understood,
when perhaps an Introverts' Rights movement has blossomed and borne fruit, it
will not be impolite to say: "I'm an introvert. You are a wonderful person
and I like you. But now please shush."
How can I let the introvert in my life know that I support him and respect
his choice? First, recognize that it's not a choice. It's not a lifestyle.
It's an orientation.
Second, when you see an introvert lost in thought, don't say "What's the
matter?" or "Are you all right?"
Third, don't say anything else, either.
"Dans cette epoque cybernetique
Pleine de gents informatique."
Re: On Introverts
Amen! People can't understand how I can be an active Toastmaster and still be an Introvert. Worst of all, my eight-year-old is an Extrovert and can't understand why I need to be alone -- she HATES being alone!
Sorry. Just needed to vent here!
Vince, are YOU and Introvert?
I want people to know that peace is possible even in this stupid day and age. Prem Rawat, June 8, 2008
Re: On Introverts
So, so true. I kind of like his puppy dog analogy. I wonder if more extroverts tend to be dog people and introverts tend to be cat people. I know I prefer cats to dogs.
Good article.
Re: On Introverts
Qualified no. I test out as a weak extrovert (ENTJ) and I find it almost impossible to do tedious work (especially correcting papers) by myself. I have to go to a bar, restaurant, or coffee shop and get energized by the people around me (who I find myself actively ignoring) to do work which a true introvert would easily be able to do in solitude. On the other hand, I'm quite content to sit in front of a computer and type and read for hours--so long as I feel I'm 'listening' and 'talking' to someone on the other end. Writing something that doesn't feel like 'coversation', though, is work. I've also found that I'm quite happy to be by myself after being out with people. It seems I need to be alone to recharge after being with people and then be with people to recharge after being alone. This might make me what Kiff calls a 'social introvert'.
"Dans cette epoque cybernetique
Pleine de gents informatique."
Re: On Introverts
Sounds a lot like me... except that I don't consider correcting papers to be *that* tedious (the comments you write could easily be conversational...)Qualified no. I test out as a weak extrovert (ENTJ) and I find it almost impossible to do tedious work (especially correcting papers) by myself. I have to go to a bar, restaurant, or coffee shop and get energized by the people around me (who I find myself actively ignoring) to do work which a true introvert would easily be able to do in solitude. On the other hand, I'm quite content to sit in front of a computer and type and read for hours--so long as I feel I'm 'listening' and 'talking' to someone on the other end. Writing something that doesn't feel like 'coversation', though, is work. I've also found that I'm quite happy to be by myself after being out with people. It seems I need to be alone to recharge after being with people and then be with people to recharge after being alone. This might make me what Kiff calls a 'social introvert'.
"It seems I need to be alone to recharge after being with people and then be with people to recharge after being alone." This could serve as a mantra for all the weak E's out there!
Re: On Introverts
Or a mantra for weak I's, right?Sounds a lot like me... except that I don't consider correcting papers to be *that* tedious (the comments you write could easily be conversational...)Qualified no. I test out as a weak extrovert (ENTJ) and I find it almost impossible to do tedious work (especially correcting papers) by myself. I have to go to a bar, restaurant, or coffee shop and get energized by the people around me (who I find myself actively ignoring) to do work which a true introvert would easily be able to do in solitude. On the other hand, I'm quite content to sit in front of a computer and type and read for hours--so long as I feel I'm 'listening' and 'talking' to someone on the other end. Writing something that doesn't feel like 'coversation', though, is work. I've also found that I'm quite happy to be by myself after being out with people. It seems I need to be alone to recharge after being with people and then be with people to recharge after being alone. This might make me what Kiff calls a 'social introvert'.
"It seems I need to be alone to recharge after being with people and then be with people to recharge after being alone." This could serve as a mantra for all the weak E's out there!
I usually come out moderately extroverted on MBTI tests. As for how accurate that is, I don't know. The problem with those tests is that they often determine your introversion or extroversion by how actively outgoing you act in social situations. As if ALL introverts are quiet and taciturn and ALL extroverts are talkative and extremely outgoing. Except for extreme E's and I's, I don't think that's always true. The key isn't necessarily how much the person talks, (or even the amount of time they spend with other people) its whether or not they enjoy being with people. I can be very outgoing at some times and quiet at others, but I nearly always prefer to be with people, rather than by myself. I usually never get to stay at parties and gatherings as long as I want, because if I did I'd probably be there all night!
Much madness is divinest sense. -- Emily Dickinson
Re: On Introverts
Sounds like me and my nearly-10 year old daughter. She's an Extrovert (ESFJ, I think), and is completely mystified by my Introverted need to have time alone.
She *always* seems to need people around her and is at loose ends and ornery when she's forced to spend time alone.
It's like a bug high on the wall. You wait for it to come to you. When it gets close enough you reach out, slap out and kill it. Or if you like its looks, you make a pet out of it.
- Charles Bukowski
It seems to me that whether you are an I or E depends more on whether you are an independent thinker or take your behavioral cues from others, rather than whether you are shy or outgoing. Some shy people are so desperate to be accepted by others that they will abandon all principles just to have friends (a sure sign of an 'E'). Others appear outgoing, but usually do their own thing regardless of what anyone else thinks ('I' behavior).
Myself, I have this yin-yang thing going on--always have-- whether I am quiet or talkative. In social settings where everyone knows everyone else but me and I know absolutely nobody, I tend to be quiet and observant at first -- and as I begin to feel like more and more like the proverbial bump-on-a-log I begin to withdraw more and more into myself. And of course, the extroverted assholes of the world sense this, and conclude that I have nothing to worthwhile contribute to anything and pretend that I don't exist either. At that point I usually mutter "fuck 'em" to myself and take leave.
On the other hand, in a situation such as a brewpub (my favorite places to hang out) where there are a handful of regulars (sometime including me, sometimes not) but most people are strangers to each other, sort of just-there-and-passing-through, I am often quite talkative, sometimes to the point of being the proverbial life of the party. Sometimes, though, I am still quiet and content to contemplate the mysteries of the universe over my mug of stout....and no one cares or judges me for it.
So am I an extrovert or an introvert? I come out as an INTJ on most Myers-Briggs tests. But since I appear extroverted maybe 50% of the time, I'd say what makes me an 'I' is that I am fully my own person. I choose my friends based on who I get along with (and vice versa) one-on-one -- not by whom society or portions thereof tell me my friends ought to be. Some idiot tells me that a friend or acquaintance of mine should or shouldn't be because he or she likes the wrong sort of music, has the wrong hair or skin color, isn't (or is too) religious, or isn't "popular" enough....or, in another setting, dares to ask me why I "don't have any friends???"..... and I'll either mumble "whatever" or scream "fuck you, you dickless asshole!!!" depending on what side of the bed I fell off that morning. Equally telling, perhaps, is that most people so inclined intuitively sense that I am not one whom one should give orders to, and for the most part leave me alone. At least that's the way it's been since graduating from college.
Yeah, I am an 'I' for sure.
Regarding I vs. E:
As I recall, in Jung's terms (which this theory uses) I vs. E. has nothing directly to do with how you feel about or relate to other people. It simply points to the attitude of your dominant function. If your dominant function is introverted (which makes you an I by Jung's definition), that means you must be alone to use it effectively. You can be just as much of a party animal as the strongest E but you have a much greater need to be alone at times (in order to make effective use of your dominant function). For an INTP like me, that means that I literally must be alone in order to think. For an INTJ like Kevin, that means that he must be alone in order to intuit or do whatever the heck it is that Ni does (where is Dr. Robert Reed when we need him?
Unfortunately, these tests DO tend to turn it into a "do you like to go to parties?" thing and this has caused no end of confusion in our testing on this board, particularly with Ns. Many Ns here who are Is test as Es and that demonstrates the flaws in the testing. The I/E distinction does bear upon socializing but I think what it really comes down to is not whether you like to socialize or not, but how you like to socialize. Do you prefer to socialize with a small group of people whom you know well or with a large group of people whom you may or may not know well? As an I, you might socialize every night (and then you might erroneously test as an E on these things). But if you socialize every night with a tight group of friends, you are still an I. Hanging out with a whole lot of people whom you barely know or do not know at all will not appeal to you (this is strictly E territory).
The I/E distinction really relates to desired number of friends and, beyond this, probably desired depth of friendship. I's desire a smaller group of friends and a greater depth of friendship with those friends.
An MBTI question occurred to me over the weekend, and I thought I'd pose it to all you personality experts. :wink:
Why are there so many ESFJ women? Is it just me, or does anyone else feel that the vast majority of females (especially ones my own age) are ESFJs, and slightly less commonly, ISFJs? I've wondered about this before, but it really came home to me when I was hanging out with a bunch of girls last weekend, many of whom I'd met for the first time. I swear they were all XSFJ's. They're all very, very nice and sweet, but, extreme NP that I am, I felt like a fish out of water.
Now, don't get me wrong, I have no problem with ESFJ or ISFJ women. Two of my female friends are, (as far as I've surmised) ISFJs. But why is there such a shortage of NP and SP females? I have one female friend who is an ESFP, and another one who's an ENFJ, and besides the two of them, it's all XSFJs.
I tend to get along very well with guys, and I feel the most comfortable and laid back around them. My best friend is a guy. In general, I find guy's personalities more compatible with my own. Maybe it's the age, but most of the girls I know are all very, very feeling, to the point where they practically ooze emotion. I'm not like that, so it's a relief to be around people who are more level in their emotions, and more often than not, they happen to be male.
Has anyone else out there (man or woman, NP or not) experienced the same thing?
Much madness is divinest sense. -- Emily Dickinson
Katie, I can't remember, are you in college yet? I ask because you sound exactly how I felt in high school. I also had mostly male friends in high school, not because I didn't get along with other girls, but mostly because we weren't interested in talking about the same things.
That all changed when I got to college, which was jam-packed with women like me (i.e. iNtuitives). So, if you're not already in college, hang in there. And if you are in college, either change majors or look forward to grad school!
No, I'm not in college yet. Hopefully when I get there it'll be the same way for me as it was for you.
Much madness is divinest sense. -- Emily Dickinson
Not in my class! My class (notorious for apparantly being mean to each other, but it really isn't that bad) has girls who are really mean and nasty one day and the next they are all nice like nothing happened. Then the next day, they will be mean again for no apparent reason. About 9/10 of them are Exxx's, though. They never shut up!
1987 INTP
Sounds very much like my experience in school, except many of those same girls were always mean.
I started reading this thread way at the beginning. You're all I's.
That makes me the very odd one out, except I am a soul sister with Angeli
ENFP born 1968
maybe that's why I leave for months at a time. The "E" in me needs "real" people, if you'll pardon the expression.
...."um...(obvious confusion)...what?"
"Max"
(silence)
"It's short for Maxine"
" *brightens*....oh!"
"But nobody calls me that"
Ha ha ha. Alex, they're girls it's the nature of the beast. Throw in puberty and you're in for a real roller coaster ride. :wink:Sounds very much like my experience in school, except many of those same girls were always mean.
...."um...(obvious confusion)...what?"
"Max"
(silence)
"It's short for Maxine"
" *brightens*....oh!"
"But nobody calls me that"
