Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

Originally Posted by IPIP-NEO Narrative Report

Your level of liberalism is low.

• Your score on Extraversion is average,
  (a) high level of Agreeableness,
  Your score on Conscientiousness is average,
  Your score on Neuroticism is low,
  Your score on Openness to Experience is high.

From the long form.

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Originally Posted by IPIP-NEO Narrative Report

Your level of liberalism is low.

(dropped a point to 5)

• Your score on Extraversion is high, (up about 10 points on average)
  (a) high level of Agreeableness,
  Your score on Conscientiousness is average,
  Your score on Neuroticism is low,
  Your score on Openness to Experience is high.

If that's all it tells you, I'm not sure that Mr. Meece could do much with it. I was hoping to get another "It's cosmic" followed by comparison with the caduceus or something. It's been a while since Mr. Meece has provided us with that sort of "cosmic" entertainment.

Originally Posted by Kiff 1961

Originally Posted by Seadog '66

Have we had this one before?

http://www.tk421.net/character/

I'm Yoda!!!

I don't particularly like a number of the questions, but as I tweak my answers I get, alternately Spock, Gandalf, Yoda, and one I never heard of which now escapes me. If they revised the thing, it might be pretty good.

Originally Posted by Seadog '66

Have we had this one before?

http://www.tk421.net/character/

I'm Inigo Montoya.

Originally Posted by Seadog '66

Have we had this one before?

http://www.tk421.net/character/

Yoda, which I guess stands to reason, as I was as a small child the proud owner of yoda underoos.

I've been getting into the whole MBTI thing lately, and I've read most of this thread but not all of it. Has anyone discussed the possibility of taking the test and answering as a generation? Would that even be possible?

Another aspect I've been playing with recently is the idea of opposites, which some evidence suggests is something like a "soulmate" or perfect complement. My type is ENTP, "Each New Thought Propels." I consider it very accurate, and my opposite is ISFJ, 'I Serve Family Joyfully". My mother is ISFJ, and we get along just famously, we're able to help one another and enjoy one another's company. Considering the broad characterizations, I am of the type that is primarily motivated by new ideas (often following one another so quickly that it becomes difficult to get anything d...) and my mother's type is the follow-through, remember examples, nurturing type. A quick-and-dirty characterization would be to think of my personality as the male counterpart and hers as the female counterpart, if that makes sense to anyone else.
There are a lot of ways in which I find this relationship to be among the most rewarding I have... but she's my mom, and I couldn't see someone like her as a soulmate type. Dating an ISFJ would drive me crazy. No one on this board is ISFJ, do you know why? They're busy picking out curtains. And the curtain choice...is consuming their entire mind. The ISFJ looks to me to be the doormat of the MBTI world. I see the mutual benefit of a complementary relationship, but I don't think it would work for a romantic relationship.

Then again, it has been said that our perfect match initially appears unattractive to the Extroverted half of the couple. Does anyone have their exact opposite for a spouse or partner, and what have your experiences been?

Originally Posted by eekelsey

Dating an ISFJ would drive me crazy. No one on this board is ISFJ, do you know why? (snip) The ISFJ looks to me to be the doormat of the MBTI world.

Fortunately for you, this ISFJ (male) is happily married, and hopes to stay that way for a long time.

Sorry I missed that. As a total opposite, do you look at ENTPs as capricious, slobby, do-nothings?

Originally Posted by eekelsey

Sorry I missed that. As a total opposite, do you look at ENTPs as capricious, slobby, do-nothings?

Actually, I don't really think I've ever formed an opinion on the subject of ENTPs, though I do know some people who do fit the description you gave. I couldn't tell you their MBTI category just off hand, though.

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I'm an INTP and the believe my wife is an ESTP, although some parts of the description don't match to well. There are some distinct differences in the way we think which could be complementary if she could accept that it's ok to think differently.

She apparently takes in the world much more directly than I do and she can't believe it when I don't remember some detail that was right in front of my face, but I usually only recall details that were important to me a the time. She'll often try to get me to remember a movie we saw by telling me who was in it, but I can barely recall whose face goes with most actors names. Tell me the basics of the plot of the movie and I'll remember it.

I've stopped trying to work on household projects with her. She just takes over and won't listen to any ideas I have about how it should be done. She really wants to do things together so we can share the experience, but I get frustrated being relegated to the role of handing her tools (and I'll usually hand her the wrong one and get yelled at).

So I think a couple that differs on N/S has a lot of work to overcome their basic differences in how they see the world, but I think it can also work to their advantage if they learn to see the difference as complementary.

Having the same letter doesn't always work out so well either. My wife and I are both P's, but I'm less P than she is, so I end up being forced into the J role, doing the laundry, keeping track of appts, which is hard since I'm not temprementally suited for it.

If I were to start over, perhaps I'd look for a ENTJ or ENFJ, but there's more to a relationship that MBTI and I think any type can work with any other type.

Originally Posted by eekelsey

Sorry I missed that. As a total opposite, do you look at ENTPs as capricious, slobby, do-nothings?

I'm an ISTJ with an ENTP son, and he's turning out to be the stereotypical "absent-minded professor." He's always losing or forgetting things, and he would never do a chore unless asked to do so directly.

Originally Posted by Kiff 1961

Originally Posted by eekelsey

Sorry I missed that. As a total opposite, do you look at ENTPs as capricious, slobby, do-nothings?

I'm an ISTJ with an ENTP son, and he's turning out to be the stereotypical "absent-minded professor." He's always losing or forgetting things, and he would never do a chore unless asked to do so directly.

I have an ISTJ mother (emphasis on the J !!!) who had a very similar problem with this (apparently) ENFP son.

Originally Posted by Kiff 1961

Originally Posted by eekelsey

Sorry I missed that. As a total opposite, do you look at ENTPs as capricious, slobby, do-nothings?

I'm an ISTJ with an ENTP son, and he's turning out to be the stereotypical "absent-minded professor." He's always losing or forgetting things, and he would never do a chore unless asked to do so directly.

Ah, maybe that's why we sometimes don't agree even when we should ;-)

My engineer Dad was an apparent ISTJ who really was annoyed that I (INTP) as a youngster didn't express any interest in household chores or closing cabinets after opening them, etc., unless asked or yelled at.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Originally Posted by Kiff 1961

Originally Posted by eekelsey

Sorry I missed that. As a total opposite, do you look at ENTPs as capricious, slobby, do-nothings?

I'm an ISTJ with an ENTP son, and he's turning out to be the stereotypical "absent-minded professor." He's always losing or forgetting things, and he would never do a chore unless asked to do so directly.

Ah, maybe that's why we sometimes don't agree even when we should ;-)

My engineer Dad was an apparent ISTJ who really was annoyed that I (INTP) as a youngster didn't express any interest in household chores or closing cabinets after opening them, etc., unless asked or yelled at.

Why would you close a cabinet when you're just going to have to open again the next time you need something off the shelf? Besides, it's just a cabinet. We have much more interesting things to think about.

Scott (ENTP)

Originally Posted by Peter Gibbons

Originally Posted by Kiff 1961

Originally Posted by eekelsey

Sorry I missed that. As a total opposite, do you look at ENTPs as capricious, slobby, do-nothings?

I'm an ISTJ with an ENTP son, and he's turning out to be the stereotypical "absent-minded professor." He's always losing or forgetting things, and he would never do a chore unless asked to do so directly.

I have an ISTJ mother (emphasis on the J !!!) who had a very similar problem with this (apparently) ENFP son.

My dad is an ENTJ. We butted heads more than a few times.

Originally Posted by Eric the Green

Originally Posted by Kiff 1961

Originally Posted by eekelsey

Sorry I missed that. As a total opposite, do you look at ENTPs as capricious, slobby, do-nothings?

I'm an ISTJ with an ENTP son, and he's turning out to be the stereotypical "absent-minded professor." He's always losing or forgetting things, and he would never do a chore unless asked to do so directly.

Ah, maybe that's why we sometimes don't agree even when we should ;-)

My engineer Dad was an apparent ISTJ who really was annoyed that I (INTP) as a youngster didn't express any interest in household chores or closing cabinets after opening them, etc., unless asked or yelled at.

I'm blessed (or cursed) with a memory for detail and a desire for at least some organization in my life.

I'm afraid it's reflected in my behavior on this forum, with all the linking I make to past threads and outside sources.

I love my little professor, but I don't think I'll ever completely understand how his mind works. My daughter, OTOH, may be even more of an ISTJ than I am. :shock:

Originally Posted by scott 63

Why would you close a cabinet when you're just going to have to open again the next time you need something off the shelf? Besides, it's just a cabinet. We have much more interesting things to think about.

Scott (ENTP)

Because....because you might bang your head, or your arm, or your shin, on that door that's sticking out!! :shock:

Besides, it looks so much NEATER when the doors are all flush with the fronts of the cabinets....

:wink:

I walk into things pretty frequently anyway.

I ran into the same problem - sometimes, *literally* ran into them. As an INTP, I used to look blankly at parents who scolded me for Just Not Thinking about whatever it was I was supposed to do and know without being told. Yet - as with my SF daughter - get me in my own place and I end up thinking "How can I make it *appear* as if I am really keeping house. Let's pretend....

Oddly enough, it seems to work. :idea:

Isn't it strange to have someone tell you you're *not thinking* when clearly, that's all you're doing?

But you see, I wasn't thinking about what THEY wanted in the way they wanted! "Thoughtlessness" was a constant accusation when "Cluelessness" would have been better.

My experience has been a bit different from that-- I generally "have a clue" when it comes to understanding what people want me to think and responding appropriately. (My field, government relations, can be understood as "political PR," and requires a social savoir faire that doesn't translate over 'net forums...lucky for some others, neither does complete lack of skill in this area.)

There's the difference between E and I for you, I suppose. People can gain my attention and intrigue me and I like figuring out how their minds work or how they view things. It's actually pretty easy for me to "suspend" my thoughts and ideas momentarily, inspect something from their point of view, and then make a judgment from there on how to act. Perhaps it's something else.

One of the things I do have trouble with in relation to people is how to act around people who have lost my interest completely. I can seem very cold in contrast to the ego-boost people seem to get from my initial attention. Fancy way of saying, "I'm a tease."

Originally Posted by Milo

Originally Posted by Seadog '66

Have we had this one before?

http://www.tk421.net/character/

Yoda, which I guess stands to reason, as I was as a small child the proud owner of yoda underoos.

I can't believe this crap! I came out as Jean-Luc Picard!

http://www.tk421.net/character/picard.html

I'm apparently "Galadriel". Who the heck is that?

Originally Posted by eekelsey

I'm apparently "Galadriel". Who the heck is that?

She's from Lord of the Rings. A LOTR fan would know much more.