I'm an ENFJ--the Teacher.

And guess what profession I chose?

Anyway, we Es really seem outnumbered on future speculation forums and in science fiction and fantasy forums. Someone once implied it's because we're more busy talking than thinking... but that's so untrue! Indeed, the reason why I began thinking and asking questions is because of my workaday interaction with others.

Originally Posted by XerTeacher

I'm an ENFJ--the Teacher.

And guess what profession I chose?

Anyway, we Es really seem outnumbered on future speculation forums and in science fiction and fantasy forums. Someone once implied it's because we're more busy talking than thinking... but that's so untrue! Indeed, the reason why I began thinking and asking questions is because of my workaday interaction with others.

Why do you suppose this is? My experience on the Internet is that the largest forums are populated by Introverts, and that INTPs such as myself are vastly overrepresented on it.

A few years ago on here, I advanced the theory that Introverts are overrepresented on the Net simply because it is so much easier to communicate on here than in the real world.

I normally believe that Extraverts are far too busy in real world social life to be netheads like Introverts. The Internet was very likely built by Introverted geeks, mainly for Introverted geeks. For Introverts, the dominant functions are introverted. To talk with the outer world, the thoughts they want to get across has to become filtered by the secondary functions, as speaking with others is an extraverted activity. For instance, for INTPs, Introverted Thinking (Ti) is dominant, while Extraverted Intuituin (Ne) is secondary, and for INTJs, Introverted Intuition (Ni) is dominant while Extraverted Thinking (Te) is the auxilliary function. For both of these types, communication is rather difficult if their auxilliary functions are not well developed, and are thus not understood by other types. Even when the auxilliary function is well developed, Introverts seem slower in this regard because the thoughts of Introverts have to be translated to make it more palatable for other people. This speed difference is visible when looking at ENTPs vs. INTPs. For ENTPs, Ne is dominant while Ti is secondary. Both types have a reputation for being devastating in debates. As the INTP Detailed Profile states: This ability to wield words with cutting precision is one of the INTP's greatest assests, but equally one of his most deadly traits. He is capable of using words creatively to penetrate deep into the understanding of a subject, but if not checked and wielded carelessly, his words can become highly destructive, especially where the Feeling function is heavily suppressed. ENTPs tend to be quicker than INTPs in debates, and are the undisputed kings of oneupmanship.

Many Introverts are much better readers and writers than they are talkers. This makes the Internet a dream come true for many Introverts. When typing and reading, our thoughts do not have to be fed through a filter, which often makes communication much easier. It is very easy to type and read while staying in an Introverted frame of mind. I'm not sure what effect online text communication has on Extraverts.

The Wole Earth 'Lectric Link, an electronic bulletin board based in the San Francisco Bay Area. Quoting:

"...there was something about being online that gave power to someone who may not have power in personal appearance...a medium in which personalities quickly became evident-wisdom, humor, insight, and eloquence, or the dearth of such qualities, surfaced swiftly and purely, not filtered through the many physical attributes that color our perceptions of people when we meet them face-to-face. Being online was an opportunity for the shy, self-conscious, or socially awkward to wield power, to command respect and gain popularity. The soft-spoken could dispense their quiet wisdom without interruption. by the same token, many people who tended to dominate in real-life conversation could find themselves at a loss when unable to call upon their mellifluous voices, fascinating faces, or sweeping physical gestures to give weight to hollow words."

Originally Posted by GuruOfReason

Originally Posted by Milo

Originally Posted by Seadog '66

Have we had this one before?

http://www.tk421.net/character/

Yoda, which I guess stands to reason, as I was as a small child the proud owner of yoda underoos.

I can't believe this crap! I came out as Jean-Luc Picard!

http://www.tk421.net/character/picard.html

I get Elrond. Not baaad! :wink:

Originally Posted by Blaze

Originally Posted by GuruOfReason

Originally Posted by Milo

Originally Posted by Seadog '66

Have we had this one before?

http://www.tk421.net/character/

Yoda, which I guess stands to reason, as I was as a small child the proud owner of yoda underoos.

I can't believe this crap! I came out as Jean-Luc Picard!

http://www.tk421.net/character/picard.html

I get Elrond. Not baaad! :wink:

I got a character from Babylon 5 - I hate Babylon 5!

I got Gandalf.

Babylon Five was terrible! So hokey.

First time poster here; thought this would be as good a place as any to make my presence known. Been lurking here for a while, and decided that this is one of the most literate and interesting boards I've seen (aside from the completely banal cat fights over which version of Big Government is better - Nazi or Pinko...Oh, sorry, I meant Republican or Democrat. And for those who aren't aware of it yet, or are still deeply in denial, both the Nazis and the Communists were and are socialist movements, as is the current U.S. government, and any other state government you can think of. Government - any government - blows. There, I've thrown my 2 cents into that dabate, and can now move on to other, more intellectually stimulating topics. Or not. This is fun.

I'm yet another of those oh-so-rare INFJs who seem to be crawling all over this board. I'm also a core Xer, which explains the utter disdain for politics and just about any other "civic" activity. I live in my head, by my intuition. I respect myself and others who have earned that priviledge. You are not special because you are a fellow human being. You are not important because you exist. You are not deserving of respect simply because we share the same world-live under the same sky-let's all hold hands and sing "We Shall Overcome"- oh, I feel so multi-cultural-pass the bong, brother. No.

And again, no. I am a libertarian. Small L. I believe the world would be a better place if it were a meritocracy. We'd all get what we deserved. No handouts. No guilt. Just personal responibility. Work hard, mind your own business and treat others well? You'd probably do alright. Don't take care of yourself and feel the need to vandalize your neighbor's house because you're full of "angst" living in a cruel world that doesn't "care" about you? The world does not need you, loser; with any luck you won't breed, or will meet a fitting end before you can.

Of course, this is just my dark, cynical Nomadic version of a pipe dream. In reality, people are generally stupid, lazy, corrupt and the more utterly useless scumbags they are, the more offspring they tend to produce. So much for personal responsibility. I fear there's a whole lot more Nanny State coddling in our future. Oh well. Rome wasn't built in a day, but it burned pretty darn quick...I'll be roasting marshmallows, how 'bout you?

Anyway, just wanted to say hi :twisted:

Originally Posted by sophist72

First time poster here; thought this would be as good a place as any to make my presence known. Been lurking here for a while, and decided that this is one of the most literate and interesting boards I've seen (aside from the completely banal cat fights over which version of Big Government is better - Nazi or Pinko...Oh, sorry, I meant Republican or Democrat. And for those who aren't aware of it yet, or are still deeply in denial, both the Nazis and the Communists were and are socialist movements, as is the current U.S. government, and any other state government you can think of. Government - any government - blows. There, I've thrown my 2 cents into that dabate, and can now move on to other, more intellectually stimulating topics. Or not. This is fun.

Welcome to the boards, sophist72. Glad you think so highly of the conversations here.

I think your views on government are very characteristic of Gen-Xers. Not much taste for either major party; typically we find that neither one really represents our interests so we hold our noses when we vote - if we even bother to vote at all. Or we vote third party (cue maniacal laughter - "go ahead, throw your vote away!!!")

As for how socialist our government is, I think that there are two sort of narratives of the latter half of the twentieth century. One, from the left, says that the achievements of the Progressive era were dismantled and now the fat cats ride high while the average American has to live in a two income household and take out a second mortgage to be able to keep up a lifestyle approximating that of his parents' generation. From the right, there is this idea that Big Government just keeps growing with no end in sight - after all, there are millions of illegal aliens sucking off the welfare teat, in case you didn't know.

In any event, at this stage in human history, all advanced societies are going to have government funded social welfare programs in place; until we find a way to end poverty!

Originally Posted by sophist72

First time poster here; thought this would be as good a place as any to make my presence known. Been lurking here for a while, and decided that this is one of the most literate and interesting boards I've seen (aside from the completely banal cat fights over which version of Big Government is better - Nazi or Pinko...Oh, sorry, I meant Republican or Democrat. And for those who aren't aware of it yet, or are still deeply in denial, both the Nazis and the Communists were and are socialist movements, as is the current U.S. government, and any other state government you can think of. Government - any government - blows. There, I've thrown my 2 cents into that dabate, and can now move on to other, more intellectually stimulating topics. Or not. This is fun.

I'm yet another of those oh-so-rare INFJs who seem to be crawling all over this board. I'm also a core Xer, which explains the utter disdain for politics and just about any other "civic" activity. I live in my head, by my intuition. I respect myself and others who have earned that priviledge. You are not special because you are a fellow human being. You are not important because you exist. You are not deserving of respect simply because we share the same world-live under the same sky-let's all hold hands and sing "We Shall Overcome"- oh, I feel so multi-cultural-pass the bong, brother. No.

And again, no. I am a libertarian. Small L. I believe the world would be a better place if it were a meritocracy. We'd all get what we deserved. No handouts. No guilt. Just personal responibility. Work hard, mind your own business and treat others well? You'd probably do alright. Don't take care of yourself and feel the need to vandalize your neighbor's house because you're full of "angst" living in a cruel world that doesn't "care" about you? The world does not need you, loser; with any luck you won't breed, or will meet a fitting end before you can.

Of course, this is just my dark, cynical Nomadic version of a pipe dream. In reality, people are generally stupid, lazy, corrupt and the more utterly useless scumbags they are, the more offspring they tend to produce. So much for personal responsibility. I fear there's a whole lot more Nanny State coddling in our future. Oh well. Rome wasn't built in a day, but it burned pretty darn quick...I'll be roasting marshmallows, how 'bout you?

Anyway, just wanted to say hi :twisted:

Welcome, I think you'll be an interesting addition to the forum. BTW, you probably just earned a Red label but don't take it to personal.

Originally Posted by K-I-A 67

Originally Posted by sophist72

First time poster here; thought this would be as good a place as any to make my presence known. Been lurking here for a while, and decided that this is one of the most literate and interesting boards I've seen (aside from the completely banal cat fights over which version of Big Government is better - Nazi or Pinko...Oh, sorry, I meant Republican or Democrat. And for those who aren't aware of it yet, or are still deeply in denial, both the Nazis and the Communists were and are socialist movements, as is the current U.S. government, and any other state government you can think of. Government - any government - blows. There, I've thrown my 2 cents into that dabate, and can now move on to other, more intellectually stimulating topics. Or not. This is fun.

I'm yet another of those oh-so-rare INFJs who seem to be crawling all over this board. I'm also a core Xer, which explains the utter disdain for politics and just about any other "civic" activity. I live in my head, by my intuition. I respect myself and others who have earned that priviledge. You are not special because you are a fellow human being. You are not important because you exist. You are not deserving of respect simply because we share the same world-live under the same sky-let's all hold hands and sing "We Shall Overcome"- oh, I feel so multi-cultural-pass the bong, brother. No.

And again, no. I am a libertarian. Small L. I believe the world would be a better place if it were a meritocracy. We'd all get what we deserved. No handouts. No guilt. Just personal responibility. Work hard, mind your own business and treat others well? You'd probably do alright. Don't take care of yourself and feel the need to vandalize your neighbor's house because you're full of "angst" living in a cruel world that doesn't "care" about you? The world does not need you, loser; with any luck you won't breed, or will meet a fitting end before you can.

Of course, this is just my dark, cynical Nomadic version of a pipe dream. In reality, people are generally stupid, lazy, corrupt and the more utterly useless scumbags they are, the more offspring they tend to produce. So much for personal responsibility. I fear there's a whole lot more Nanny State coddling in our future. Oh well. Rome wasn't built in a day, but it burned pretty darn quick...I'll be roasting marshmallows, how 'bout you?

Anyway, just wanted to say hi :twisted:

Welcome, I think you'll be an interesting addition to the forum. BTW, you probably just earned a Red label but don't take it to personal.

I think he means "too personal-ly" :lol:

What? I've earned a "Red label"? As in a big bottle of relatively cheap, but still quite drinkable Scotch? Is that some sort of prize for not being P.C.? Alright! I knew this was a good forum, but I never expected such a nice welcoming gift :P

Seriously though, I'm not usually quite that opinionated (nor do I usually let that many typos slip by) unless I've partaken in too many very large and strong European beers. Which was definitely the case last night...One of the hazards of living across the pond.

I do back up every word I wrote, but I could have been a bit nicer about it, I suppose. Gee, where were my manners? Must be that overwhelming sense of empathy and social grace all of us happy-go-lucky Nomads have always shared :wink:

Oh, and for what it's worth, I took the test: told me I was most like some Sherridan guy from Babylon 5. Never having watched that high-quality program, I have no idea what that means. If anyone cares to shed some light, I'd be grateful. I think... :?

Originally Posted by Roadbldr '59

Originally Posted by K-I-A 67

Originally Posted by sophist72

First time poster here; thought this would be as good a place as any to make my presence known. Been lurking here for a while, and decided that this is one of the most literate and interesting boards I've seen (aside from the completely banal cat fights over which version of Big Government is better - Nazi or Pinko...Oh, sorry, I meant Republican or Democrat. And for those who aren't aware of it yet, or are still deeply in denial, both the Nazis and the Communists were and are socialist movements, as is the current U.S. government, and any other state government you can think of. Government - any government - blows. There, I've thrown my 2 cents into that dabate, and can now move on to other, more intellectually stimulating topics. Or not. This is fun.

I'm yet another of those oh-so-rare INFJs who seem to be crawling all over this board. I'm also a core Xer, which explains the utter disdain for politics and just about any other "civic" activity. I live in my head, by my intuition. I respect myself and others who have earned that priviledge. You are not special because you are a fellow human being. You are not important because you exist. You are not deserving of respect simply because we share the same world-live under the same sky-let's all hold hands and sing "We Shall Overcome"- oh, I feel so multi-cultural-pass the bong, brother. No.

And again, no. I am a libertarian. Small L. I believe the world would be a better place if it were a meritocracy. We'd all get what we deserved. No handouts. No guilt. Just personal responibility. Work hard, mind your own business and treat others well? You'd probably do alright. Don't take care of yourself and feel the need to vandalize your neighbor's house because you're full of "angst" living in a cruel world that doesn't "care" about you? The world does not need you, loser; with any luck you won't breed, or will meet a fitting end before you can.

Of course, this is just my dark, cynical Nomadic version of a pipe dream. In reality, people are generally stupid, lazy, corrupt and the more utterly useless scumbags they are, the more offspring they tend to produce. So much for personal responsibility. I fear there's a whole lot more Nanny State coddling in our future. Oh well. Rome wasn't built in a day, but it burned pretty darn quick...I'll be roasting marshmallows, how 'bout you?

Anyway, just wanted to say hi :twisted:

Welcome, I think you'll be an interesting addition to the forum. BTW, you probably just earned a Red label but don't take it to personal.

I think he means "too personal-ly" :lol:

I'm INTP and 5w4.


EDIT: Corrected some math mistakes

On Eric's philosphy quiz I got 69 Materialism and 24 Rationalism:

50-75M
0-25R
Atomism
Determinism
Hobbes
Democritus


Hmmm, I though I would score more towards E then R, but it seemed like the E/R questions had me rejecting the E side because many had an Existiantialist or Hedonist tone instead of an Empiricist one.

PS, why the hell is Quantum Theory on the spiritualist side? Some supporters of the "Copenhagen Interpretation" of QM have a spiritualist bent, using the notion that God collapses the probabillity waves, but The Copenhagen interpretation is not the only explaination (the other main ones being the "many worlds" and "sum-over-paths, both materialistic). QM belongs on the materialistic-experiential quadrant.

I redid Eric's test, looking at the explainations of the questions this time, and and this time got 67M and 13R, that sounds more correct.

So, looking back over this thread, is the whole board INTPs?

That's funny, cause that's how I score too.

Originally Posted by antichrist

So, looking back over this thread, is the whole board INTPs?

That's funny, cause that's how I score too.

Me too, though I'm more accurately xNTP. I've taken many personality sorters. I always test borderline, but INTP more often than not. I understand that consistent results are rare. I'm not sure if that's good or bad.

We have an over abundance of NTs, with the INTP variant extremely over represented. Since the two most iconic INTPs usually cited are Albert Einstein and Thomas Jefferson, it's hard to feel bad about it.

Originally Posted by antichrist

So, looking back over this thread, is the whole board INTPs?

That's funny, cause that's how I score too.

There are at least a couple of ISTJs who regularly post -- me and Child of Socrates. Roadbldr '59 is an IxTJ -- borderline S/N.

I got INTJ, whatever that means.

I'm INFJ.

I have to type more because it won't let me post a message that short.

Originally Posted by MichaelEaston

I got INTJ, whatever that means.

It means you suckered into Myers-Briggs' test of ambiguity.

Hello there everyone. Im new here but I finding generational theory more and more fascinating the more I read about it. I'm still learning about it so I'll need to do a little more reading and thought collecting before I jump in. I was born 1987 and am very much of the ISFJ type.

Originally Posted by TheLivingcouch

Hello there everyone. Im new here but I finding generational theory more and more fascinating the more I read about it. I'm still learning about it so I'll need to do a little more reading and thought collecting before I jump in. I was born 1987 and am very much of the ISFJ type.

Welcome. The more Millies the better.

Thanks, glad to be here.

Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

Welcome. The more Millies the better.

It's amazing how many post here now.