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Post#1176 at 01-10-2007 01:04 AM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Lightbulb MBTI type distribution in the population

http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/003474.html

SJ
: 40% - 45%
SP: 35% - 40%
NF: 8% -10%
NT: 5% - 7%

Assuming that personality types are inherited (and I think they are - my mother is an INFP, my father is an INTJ, and my sister is an INFP), I think this is clearly a case of frequency dependent selection. My skills, for example, as an INTP, are in demand because they are extremely rare. But I don't think I would want to live in a world in which my type were common. I have trouble with a lot of everyday tasks that most people would consider extremely simple, and I'm glad that there are a lot of people around to help me out with them. A typical programming task (for example) can always use another good SP or SJ, but how many NTs does it need? Especially INTPs (NTJs can fake being SJs - their J side enables them to do what is called for at the moment). Ten thousand years ago, I'm not sure what we would do.
The feminazis won't like this next part:

The other interesting skew in the percentages is on the T/F axis (and this brings us back to the origin of this post). The T/F axis is the only one which exhibits sexual dimorphism. About 75% of men are Ts, while about 75% of women are Fs. I am quite sure that this explains most of the differences in career choice that we see between men and women, plus a lot of other differences. Anyone ever notice that men and women tend to have different personalities? Does it come as a surprise that most women are feeling, while most men are thinking?
Some more data: http://www.capt.org/mbti-assessment/...requencies.htm
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Post#1177 at 01-11-2007 02:31 AM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Here's an interesting personality test.

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Confidence 34
Openness 58
Extroversion 8
Empathy 86
Trust in others 58
Agency 18
Masculinity 36
Femininity 8
Spontaneity 78
Attention to style 12
Authoritarianism 2
Imaginative/Earthy 28
Functional/Aesthetic 14
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Post#1178 at 01-11-2007 02:14 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Thumbs up Here's a really good test!

It tells the strength of each of your functions

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extraverted Sensing (Se) ***************** (17.3)
limited use

introverted Sensing (Si) ************************ (24.2)
average use

extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ********************************************* (45.5)
excellent use

introverted Intuiting (Ni) ********************************* (33)
good use

extraverted Thinking (Te) ************************* (25.4)
average use

introverted Thinking (Ti) ************************************************** *** (53.7)
excellent use

extraverted Feeling (Fe) ************ (12.8)
unused

introverted Feeling (Fi) **************************** (28.1)
average use




Summary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INTP


Lead (Dominant) Process

Introverted Thinking (Ti): Gaining leverage (influence) using a framework. Detaching to study a situation from different angles and fit it to a theory, framework or principle. Checking for accuracy. Using leverage to solve the problem.


Support (Auxilliary) Process

Extraverted Intuiting (Ne): Exploring the emerging patterns. Wondering about patterns of interaction across various situations. Checking what hypotheses and meanings fit best. Trusting what emerges as you shift a situation’s dynamics.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

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Post#1179 at 01-11-2007 02:22 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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The intersting thing about the test is that it explans why T and P test out the weakest in %-based tests like the Humanmetrics.com one, my Fi is reasonably developed, causing the weak T, and my Ni and Te (INTJ functions) are also reasonably developed, giving me a weak P.

Oh, and this might help Neisha find out whether her type is INTP or INFJ.
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Post#1180 at 01-11-2007 02:48 PM by Ragnarök_62 [at Oklahoma joined Nov 2006 #posts 5,511]
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
It tells the strength of each of your functions

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Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
extraverted Sensing (Se) ******************* (19.9)
limited use
introverted Sensing (Si) ********************** (22.8)
limited use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ********************************************** (46.6)
excellent use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) ******************************** (32.5)
good use
extraverted Thinking (Te) ************************************** (38.9)
excellent use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ********************************************* (45.8)
excellent use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) ******** (8.4)
unused
introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************ (24.7)
average use


Summary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INTP

If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ENTP, or INTJ
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP

There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."







Post#1181 at 01-11-2007 03:24 PM by The Grey Badger [at Albuquerque, NM joined Sep 2001 #posts 8,876]
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Function humor and the Man who Thinks he's Churchill

"Introverted Thinking:

God forbid we actually rely on tested evidence to prove something. Anything even remotely connected to reality is, obviously, wrong. The only "truth" in the world is that belonging to the Introverted Thinker, naturally. Unfortunatly, one of them *knows* something that is completely contradictory to another Introverted Thinker. YET EVERYONE OF THEM IS RIGHT, ALWAYS... THERE IS NEVER AN EXCEPTION. Oh, and don't criticize their idea of the truth, either. They take it personally. "

Omigawd, did you listen to George W Bush last night?
How to spot a shill, by John Michael Greer: "What you watch for is (a) a brand new commenter who (b) has nothing to say about the topic under discussion but (c) trots out a smoothly written opinion piece that (d) hits all the standard talking points currently being used by a specific political or corporate interest, while (e) avoiding any other points anyone else has made on that subject."

"If the shoe fits..." The Grey Badger.







Post#1182 at 01-11-2007 03:41 PM by Child of Socrates [at Cybrarian from America's Dairyland, 1961 cohort joined Sep 2001 #posts 14,092]
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My results from the Cognitive Processes site:

extraverted Sensing (Se) ********************* (21.1)
limited use
introverted Sensing (Si) ************************************************** **** (54.9)
excellent use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ******************** (20.3)
limited use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) **************** (16)
unused
extraverted Thinking (Te) ************************************ (36.5)
excellent use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ***************************** (29.1)
average use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) *********************** (23.4)
limited use
introverted Feeling (Fi) *************************************** (39.3)
excellent use

Summary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ISTJ

Lead (Dominant) Process
Introverted Sensing (Si): Stabilizing with a predictable standard. Carefully comparing a situation to the customary ways you’ve come to rely on. Checking with past experiences. Stabilizing a situation and invest for future security.

Support (Auxilliary) Process
Extraverted Thinking (Te): Measuring and constructing for progress. Making decisions objectively based on evidence and measures. Checking if things function properly. Applying a procedure to control events and complete goals.

Yeah, that's me. Nice to see a high Fi score, too.







Post#1183 at 01-11-2007 03:55 PM by Ragnarök_62 [at Oklahoma joined Nov 2006 #posts 5,511]
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
The intersting thing about the test is that it explans why T and P test out the weakest in %-based tests like the Humanmetrics.com one, my Fi is reasonably developed, causing the weak T, and my Ni and Te (INTJ functions) are also reasonably developed, giving me a weak P.
It relates to my Step II results as well. I "Midzoned" in 2 J facets.
And of course as is noted in my .sig. , introversion is the weakest of the 4 letters.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP

There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."







Post#1184 at 01-11-2007 03:56 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Quote Originally Posted by Child of Socrates View Post
My results from the Cognitive Processes site:

extraverted Sensing (Se) ********************* (21.1)
limited use
introverted Sensing (Si) ************************************************** **** (54.9)
excellent use
extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ******************** (20.3)
limited use
introverted Intuiting (Ni) **************** (16)
unused
extraverted Thinking (Te) ************************************ (36.5)
excellent use
introverted Thinking (Ti) ***************************** (29.1)
average use
extraverted Feeling (Fe) *********************** (23.4)
limited use
introverted Feeling (Fi) *************************************** (39.3)
excellent use

Summary Analysis of Profile
By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ISTJ

Lead (Dominant) Process
Introverted Sensing (Si): Stabilizing with a predictable standard. Carefully comparing a situation to the customary ways you’ve come to rely on. Checking with past experiences. Stabilizing a situation and invest for future security.

Support (Auxilliary) Process
Extraverted Thinking (Te): Measuring and constructing for progress. Making decisions objectively based on evidence and measures. Checking if things function properly. Applying a procedure to control events and complete goals.

Yeah, that's me. Nice to see a high Fi score, too.
Sounds like a librarian.
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Post#1185 at 01-11-2007 03:57 PM by Child of Socrates [at Cybrarian from America's Dairyland, 1961 cohort joined Sep 2001 #posts 14,092]
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So what is this "unused" (for me) Ni anyway?

Introverted iNtuition - Foreseeing implications, conceptualizing, and having images of the future or profound meaning. Introverted iNtuiting often involves a sense of what will be. The details might be a little fuzzy, but when you tune in to this process, there is some sense of how things will be. Using this process, we often are able to get pictures about the future or at least a sense of what will happen before we have any data. Sometimes it is an awareness of what is happening in another location and we have no sensory data to go on. Other times introverted iNtuiting operates when we conceptualize and get a sense of a whole plan, pattern, theory, or explanation. These are the kinds of images that come to us in the shower, in meditative states, or in dreams and help us deeply understand something. Sometimes they are profoundly symbolic and even universally so. In using this process, we tune into a likely future or something universal. This infonnation can then be used to decide what to do next, what to plan for. Introverted iNtuiting involves synthesizing the seemingly paradoxical or contradictory, which takes a problem or situation to a new level. Using this process, we can have moments when a completely new, un-imagined realization comes to us. There is a disengagement from interactions in the room, followed by a sudden "aha!" or "that's it!" kind of experience. These kinds of experiences are often seen as if they are "psychic" in nature. The sense of the future and the realizations that come from introverted iNtuiting have a sureness to them and an imperative quality that seems to demand action.
Gaah...my first impulse is to dismiss this as a load of woo-woo mumbo-jumbo, my second impulse is to be damn jealous of people who might actually have this function, my third is to ask -- is there any way in hell to develop this unused quality, even at my advanced age?
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Post#1186 at 01-11-2007 04:02 PM by Child of Socrates [at Cybrarian from America's Dairyland, 1961 cohort joined Sep 2001 #posts 14,092]
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
Sounds like a librarian.
Yeah. It always amazes me how some folks think the Dewey Decimal system is hard, or how they just don't read signs that are right in front of their faces...

Sigh.

But, that's why we're here.







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Quote Originally Posted by Child of Socrates View Post
Yeah. It always amazes me how some folks think the Dewey Decimal system is hard, or how they just don't read signs that are right in front of their faces...
I don't think that is the main problem. Libraries are frequented by INTP's
who

1. Don't notice signs, regardless.
2. Contemplate which books to check out. Due to packrat tendencies, they'll notice that the amount of books so selected are a tad heavy.
3. Go and reshelve books in random places. This renders the Dewey Decimal System busted.
4. Librarians start hating INTP's for chaotic book handling.

Sigh.

But, that's why we're here.
Yup, much insight gained as to your most likely patrons.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP

There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."







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Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62 View Post
I don't think that is the main problem. Libraries are frequented by INTP's
who

1. Don't notice signs, regardless.
2. Contemplate which books to check out. Due to packrat tendencies, they'll notice that the amount of books so selected are a tad heavy.
3. Go and reshelve books in random places. This renders the Dewey Decimal System busted.
4. Librarians start hating INTP's for chaotic book handling.
Most libraries have book trucks or bins in which y'all can put those things you don't want to check out. Leave the reshelving to the professionals.

Yup, much insight gained as to your most likely patrons.
I guess it would explain a lot.

Likewise, more than a few NTs I've encountered go batshit when us SJs try to keep them on a schedule.







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Quote Originally Posted by Child of Socrates View Post
Most libraries have book trucks or bins in which y'all can put those things you don't want to check out. Leave the reshelving to the professionals.
Oh, so that's what those bins at the branch library are for. Silly me, I thought they were refreshment carts. Perhaps using electric shock therapy would work on us. Put a metal strip on each book , which would touch an electrified back book shelf and give us NT's a jolt for our errant ways.


I guess it would explain a lot.
Glad to be of utmost assistance in aiding folks in understanding their clientele.

Likewise, more than a few NTs I've encountered go batshit when us SJs try to keep them on a schedule.
Schedules, especially for us *NTP's don't make sense. The motto is ,
"why put off today, what you can put off tommorow".
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP

There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."







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Quote Originally Posted by Child of Socrates View Post
So what is this "unused" (for me) Ni anyway?



Gaah...my first impulse is to dismiss this as a load of woo-woo mumbo-jumbo, my second impulse is to be damn jealous of people who might actually have this function, my third is to ask -- is there any way in hell to develop this unused quality, even at my advanced age?
The Introverted Sensor (ISxJ) vs. the Introverted Intuitive (INxJ, straight from Jung's mouth:

http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Jung/types.htm

7. The Introverted Sensation Type
The priority of introverted sensation produces a definite type, which is characterized by certain peculiarities. It is an irrational type, inasmuch as its selection among occurrences is not primarily rational, but is guided rather [p. 501] by what just happens. Whereas, the extraverted sensation-type is determined by the intensity of the objective influence, the introverted type is orientated by the intensity of the subjective sensation-constituent released by the objective stimulus. Obviously, therefore, no sort of proportional relation exists between object and sensation, but something that is apparently quite irregular and arbitrary judging from without, therefore, it is practically impossible to foretell what will make an impression and what will not. If there were present a capacity and readiness for expression in any way commensurate with the strength of sensation, the irrationality of this type would be extremely evident. This is the case, for instance, when the individual is a creative artist. But, since this is the exception, it usually happens that the characteristic introverted difficulty of expression also conceals his irrationality. On the contrary, he may actually stand out by the very calmness and passivity of his demeanour, or by his rational self-control. This peculiarity, which often leads the superficial judgment astray, is really due to his unrelatedness to objects. Normally the object is not consciously depreciated in the least, but its stimulus is removed from it, because it is immediately replaced by a subjective reaction, which is no longer related to the reality of the object. This, of course, has the same effect as a depreciation of the object. Such a type can easily make one question why one should exist at all; or why objects in general should have any right to existence, since everything essential happens without the object. This doubt may be justified in extreme cases, though not in the normal, since the objective stimulus is indispensable to his sensation, only it produces something different from what was to be surmised from the external state of affairs. Considered from without, it looks as though the effect of the object [p. 502] did not obtrude itself upon the subject. This impression is so far correct inasmuch as a subjective content does, in fact, intervene from the unconscious, thus snatching away the effect of the object. This intervention may be so abrupt that the individual appears to shield himself directly from any possible influence of the object. In any aggravated or well-marked case, such a protective guard is also actually present. Even with only a slight reinforcement of the unconscious, the subjective constituent of sensation becomes so alive that it almost completely obscures the objective influence. The results of this are, on the one hand, a feeling of complete depreciation on the part of the object, and, on the other, an illusory conception of reality on the part of the subject, which in morbid cases may even reach the point of a complete inability to discriminate between the real object and the subjective perception. Although so vital a distinction vanishes completely only in a practically psychotic state, yet long before that point is reached subjective perception may influence thought, feeling, and action to an extreme degree, in spite of the fact that the object is clearly seen in its fullest reality. Whenever the objective influence does succeed in forcing its way into the subject -- as the result of particular circumstances of special intensity, or because of a more perfect analogy with the unconscious image -- even the normal example of this type is induced to act in accordance with his unconscious model. Such action has an illusory quality in relation to objective reality, and therefore has a very odd and strange character. It instantly reveals the anti-real subjectivity of the type, But, where the influence of the object does not entirely succeed, it encounters a benevolent neutrality, disclosing little sympathy, yet constantly striving to reassure and adjust. The too-low is raised a little, the too-high is made a little lower; the enthusiastic is damped, the [p. 503] extravagant restrained; and the unusual brought within the 'correct' formula: all this in order to keep the influence of the object within the necessary bounds. Thus, this type becomes an affliction to his circle, just in so far as his entire harmlessness is no longer above suspicion. But, if the latter should be the case, the individual readily becomes a victim to the aggressiveness and ambitions of others. Such men allow themselves to be abused, for which they usually take vengeance at the most unsuitable occasions with redoubled stubbornness and resistance. When there exists no capacity for artistic expression, all impressions sink into the inner depths, whence they hold consciousness under a spell, removing any possibility it might have had of mastering the fascinating impression by means of conscious expression. Relatively speaking, this type has only archaic possibilities of expression for the disposal of his impressions; thought and feeling are relatively unconscious, and, in so far as they have a certain consciousness, they only serve in the necessary, banal, every-day expressions. Hence as conscious functions, they are wholly unfitted to give any adequate rendering of the subjective perceptions. This type, therefore, is uncommonly inaccessible to an objective understanding and he fares no better in the understanding of himself.
Above all, his development estranges him from the reality of the object, handing him over to his subjective perceptions, which orientate his consciousness in accordance with an archaic reality, although his deficiency in comparative judgment keeps him wholly unaware of this fact. Actually he moves in a mythological world, where men animals, railways, houses, rivers, and mountains appear partly as benevolent deities and partly as malevolent demons. That thus they, appear to him never enters his mind, although their effect upon his judgments and acts can bear no other interpretation. He judges and acts as [p. 504] though he had such powers to deal with; but this begins to strike him only when he discovers that his sensations are totally different from reality. If his tendency is to reason objectively, he will sense this difference as morbid; but if, on the other hand, he remains faithful to his irrationality, and is prepared to grant his sensation reality value, the objective world will appear a mere make-belief and a comedy. Only in extreme cases, however, is this dilemma reached. As a rule, the individual acquiesces in his isolation and in the banality of the reality, which, however, he unconsciously treats archaically.
His unconscious is distinguished chiefly by the repression of intuition, which thereby acquires an extraverted and archaic character. Whereas true extraverted intuition has a characteristic resourcefulness, and a 'good nose' for every possibility in objective reality, this archaic, extraverted intuition has an amazing flair for every ambiguous, gloomy, dirty, and dangerous possibility in the background of reality. In the presence of this intuition the real and conscious intention of the object has no significance; it will peer behind every possible archaic antecedent of such an intention. It possesses, therefore, something dangerous, something actually undermining, which often stands in most vivid contrast to the gentle benevolence of consciousness. So long as the individual is not too aloof from the object, the unconscious intuition effects a wholesome compensation to the rather fantastic and over credulous attitude of consciousness. But as soon as the unconscious becomes antagonistic to consciousness, such intuitions come to the surface and expand their nefarious influence: they force themselves compellingly upon the individual, releasing compulsive ideas about objects of the most perverse kind. The neurosis arising from this sequence of events is usually a compulsion neurosis, in which the hysterical characters recede and are obscured by symptoms of exhaustion. [p. 505]
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9. The Introverted Intuitive Type
The peculiar nature of introverted intuition, when given the priority, also produces a peculiar type of man, viz. the mystical dreamer and seer on the one hand, or the fantastical crank and artist on the other. The latter might be regarded as the normal case, since there is a general tendency of this type to confine himself to the perceptive character of intuition. As a rule, the intuitive stops at perception; perception is his principal problem, and -- in the case of a productive artist-the shaping of perception. But the crank contents himself with the intuition by which he himself is shaped and determined. Intensification of intuition naturally often results in an extraordinary aloofness of the individual from tangible reality; he may even become a complete enigma to his own immediate circle. [p. 509]
If an artist, he reveals extraordinary, remote things in his art, which in iridescent profusion embrace both the significant and the banal, the lovely and the grotesque, the whimsical and the sublime. If not an artist, he is frequently an unappreciated genius, a great man 'gone wrong', a sort of wise simpleton, a figure for 'psychological' novels.
Although it is not altogether in the line of the introverted intuitive type to make of perception a moral problem, since a certain reinforcement of the rational functions is required for this, yet even a relatively slight differentiation of judgment would suffice to transfer intuitive perception from the purely ćsthetic into the moral sphere. A variety of this type is thus produced which differs essentially from its ćsthetic form, although none the less characteristic of the introverted intuitive. The moral problem comes into being when the intuitive tries to relate himself to his vision, when he is no longer satisfied with mere perception and its ćsthetic shaping and estimation, but confronts the question: What does this mean for me and for the world? What emerges from this vision in the way of a duty or task, either for me or for the world? The pure intuitive who represses judgment or possesses it only under the spell of perception never meets this question fundamentally, since his only problem is the How of perception. He, therefore, finds the moral problem unintelligible, even absurd, and as far as possible forbids his thoughts to dwell upon the disconcerting vision. It is different with the morally orientated intuitive. He concerns himself with the meaning of his vision; he troubles less about its further ćsthetic possibilities than about the possible moral effects which emerge from its intrinsic significance. His judgment allows him to discern, though often only darkly, that he, as a man and as a totality, is in some way inter-related with his vision, that [p. 510] it is something which cannot just be perceived but which also would fain become the life of the subject. Through this realization he feels bound to transform his vision into his own life. But, since he tends to rely exclusively upon his vision, his moral effort becomes one-sided; he makes himself and his life symbolic, adapted, it is true, to the inner and eternal meaning of events, but unadapted to the actual present-day reality. Therewith he also deprives himself of any influence upon it, because he remains unintelligible. His language is not that which is commonly spoken -- it becomes too subjective. His argument lacks convincing reason. He can only confess or pronounce. His is the 'voice of one crying in the wilderness'.
The introverted intuitive's chief repression falls upon the sensation of the object. His unconscious is characterized by this fact. For we find in his unconscious a compensatory extraverted sensation function of an archaic character. The unconscious personality may, therefore, best be described as an extraverted sensation-type of a rather low and primitive order. Impulsiveness and unrestraint are the characters of this sensation, combined with an extraordinary dependence upon the sense impression. This latter quality is a compensation to the thin upper air of the conscious attitude, giving it a certain weight, so that complete 'sublimation' is prevented. But if, through a forced exaggeration of the conscious attitude, a complete subordination to the inner perception should develop, the unconscious becomes an opposition, giving rise to compulsive sensations whose excessive dependence upon the object is in frank conflict with the conscious attitude. The form of neurosis is a compulsion-neurosis, exhibiting symptoms that are partly hypochondriacal manifestations, partly hypersensibility of the sense organs and partly compulsive ties to definite persons or other objects. [p. 511]
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Post#1192 at 01-11-2007 11:01 PM by Ragnarök_62 [at Oklahoma joined Nov 2006 #posts 5,511]
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
Here's an interesting personality test.

Considerate Inventor

Confidence 34
Openness 58
Extroversion 8
Empathy 86
Trust in others 58
Agency 18
Masculinity 36
Femininity 8
Spontaneity 78
Attention to style 12
Authoritarianism 2
Imaginative/Earthy 28
Functional/Aesthetic 14

Reserved inventor
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP

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The winning student wrote:

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."







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I came out as a generous Analyst.







Post#1194 at 01-12-2007 11:38 AM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Marx: Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.
Lennon: You either get tired fighting for peace, or you die.







Post#1195 at 01-12-2007 12:37 PM by Mr. Reed [at Intersection of History joined Jun 2001 #posts 4,376]
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Considerate Idealist

I came out as a Considerate Idealist
"The urge to dream, and the will to enable it is fundamental to being human and have coincided with what it is to be American." -- Neil deGrasse Tyson
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And, irony of ironies, I come out as Benevolent Leader.

(Isn't that what Kim Jong Il calls himself? Hey! we do have something in common!)







Post#1197 at 01-12-2007 08:12 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
The results of an MBTI test I found:

The test: http://4np.net/ddli/
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Eric+A+Meece's scores on the main set of questions:

Extraversion (E): 2 46 : (I) Introversion
Sensing (S): 3 64 : (N) iNtuition
Thinking (T): 38 10 : (F) Feeling
Judging (J): 24 14 : (P) Perceiving

You scored as an INTJ.

Assuming that you are an INTJ,
Your DOMINANT function is Introverted Intuition.
Your AUXILIARY function is Extraverted Thinking.
Your TERTIARY function is Introverted Feeling.
Your INFERIOR function is Extraverted Sensing.

Please bear in mind that the supplementary questions are experimental and may be highly unreliable. If these scores conflict with your previous scores, it is probably because the questions are still not reliable enough.

Eric+A+Meece's scores on the supplementary questions:

Extraverted Thinking / Introverted Feeling : 17
Extraverted Feeling / Introverted Thinking : 27

Extraverted Intuition / Introverted Sensing : 36
Extraverted Sensing / Introverted Intuition : 14

Rationality (Dominant Judging Function) : 33
A-rationality (Dominant Perceiving Function) : 1

According to the supplementary scores, Eric+A+Meece could be an ESFJ or an INTP. These are opposite types, because the supplementary questions measure for preferences that opposite types share in common. See the FAQ for an explanation.

These results conflict with the evaluation of Eric+A+Meece as an INTJ.
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I've taken several on-line tests and this is the first that pegged me as INTJ

Definitely INTP, not ESFJ, if that's the choice!

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Eric, the dominant function of an INTP is T, and surely your dominant function is not T if you are so conflicted or ambivalent on that scale that T and F come out about even. Is it fair to say that N blows away S on your other scale? If so, then surely N is your dominant function. As an introvert, you would be either INTJ or INFJ. Note that INFJ shares both Ti and Fe with INTP. Might you actually be INFJ?
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Dominant function is usually determined with a convoluted formula. If you are an introvert, then your dominant function is a J if your score is P, and vice versa. So even though my N score is the highest, T is considered the dominant function. But I would agree with being skeptical about this method. I guess I could be any of the 4 types: INTP, INFP, INTJ or INFJ. But according to my MBTI questionnaire, when I took it a couple of years ago, I am INTP. But I seem to be INTJ today!
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[QUOTE=Odin;189021]It tells the strength of each of your functions

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Cognitive Process Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)

extraverted Sensing (Se) ***************** (17.9)
limited use

introverted Sensing (Si) ***************************** (29.9)
average use

extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ********************************** (34.1)
good use

introverted Intuiting (Ni) ************************************** (38.2)
excellent use

extraverted Thinking (Te) *********************************** (35.2)
good use

introverted Thinking (Ti) *********************************** (35.9)
good use

extraverted Feeling (Fe) ************ (12.9)
unused

introverted Feeling (Fi) ************************************ (36.1)
excellent use
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Please bear in mind that the DDLI does not tell you what your type is. It merely indicates what might be your type with some degree of probability. Do not take your results on the DDLI as the final word on what your type is. With that said, here are your results:
Ragnar0.0000006k_62's scores on the main set of questions:
Extraversion (E): 29 : 42 I) Introversion
Sensing (S): 0 : 101 N) iNtuition (w00t)
Thinking (T): 120 : 6 F) Feeling (Booh yeah)
Judging (J): 0 : 85 P) Perceiving
You scored as an INTP.
Assuming that you are an INTP,
Your DOMINANT function is Introverted Thinking.
Your AUXILIARY function is Extraverted Intuition.
Your TERTIARY function is Introverted Sensing.
Your INFERIOR function is Extraverted Feeling.

Please bear in mind that the supplementary questions are experimental and may be highly unreliable. If these scores conflict with your previous scores, it is probably because the questions are still not reliable enough.
Ragnar0.0000006k_62's scores on the supplementary questions:
Extraverted Thinking / Introverted Feeling : 35
Extraverted Feeling / Introverted Thinking : 44

Extraverted Intuition / Introverted Sensing : 37
Extraverted Sensing / Introverted Intuition : 23

Rationality (Dominant Judging Function) : 54
A-rationality (Dominant Perceiving Function) : 19
According to the supplementary scores, Ragnar0.0000006k_62 could be an ESFJ or an INTP. These are opposite types, because the supplementary questions measure for preferences that opposite types share in common. See the FAQ for an explanation.
These results are consistent with your score as an INTP.
You may wish to save this file for later reference. You can also download the raw score file, which can be used with the off-line, downloadable DDLI program.
For more information, visit: the orginal DDLI page.
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP

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"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."







Post#1200 at 01-12-2007 08:57 PM by Eric the Green [at San Jose CA joined Jul 2001 #posts 22,504]
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Odin's scientism?

Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
I have a tendency sometimes of exaggeration a sarcasm to make a point. I don't follow "scientism" in the negative sense of the term, I am not naive enough to think that all things can be solved by applying the scientific method. There are a lot of fields (such as ethics, many parts of history, political theory, etc) that have too much inherent subjectivity in them for scientific analysis. I disagree with you that Objective = Materialistic and Subjective = Spiritualistic. I don't see any inherent contradiction with being a materialist and accepting the reality of the subjective. The main reason I am a materialist is Ockham's razor, I consider a spiritual realm I have never experienced an unnecessary complication. Until I have some kind of spiritual experience I cannot say a spiritual realm exists.
Seems a reasonable approach, but then you are an INTP....

Of course, having HAD such experience, I don't think it's consistent to be as much a materialist as you are, and to accept the reality of the subjective; you likely explain the latter in terms of the former.

You say some subjects have too much inherent subjectivity in them for scientific analysis. Does that make it impossible for them to have any validity, in your view?

Some people have scored over 50 points M, but you are the first to have scored over 70. I also know only one person to score over 70-S, but a lot more over 50-S. Probably the circles I travel in.

I could quote Blake in your case: "the fool who persists in his folly will become wise." So, more power to you. Following an extreme philosophy can lead to truth, or at least the earnest quest for it. Most philosophy professors who took my questionnaire score definite or extreme in a given direction, not moderate. So people who take strong positions would seem to be more philosophical.

Your astrology chart of course indicates your strong materialism, because you are triple earth signs, plus Mars there square your Mercury (mind) exactly. But Neptune lurks. That indicates you may actually have some experience someday that will make evident to you that the world is alive, not a machine. That is, "life" not defined as materialist biology defines it, but life as inward spirit, prana, chi, or whatever term may suit you. Till then, if ever that comes, pleasant quest.
"I close my eyes, and I can see a better day" -- Justin Bieber

Keep the spirit alive,

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