Originally Posted by The Rani

I wouldn't necessarily call it "volume." If they measured it in number of words written, you and I would drop to the bottom of the list.

Heh.Hmmm. It looks like you might be onto something...

Originally Posted by Odin

We make we make, what, 3% of the population? Of course we are going to be called "odd."

Really? Is that US popualtion? Population globally? Where'd you get your figures? I'd be interested in seeing how the 16 types break down in the general pop, both American and globally --- though I am certain any global figures are heavily skewed to western nations........and people that wear suits.

Originally Posted by Skabungus

Originally Posted by Odin

We make we make, what, 3% of the population? Of course we are going to be called "odd."

Really? Is that US popualtion? Population globally? Where'd you get your figures? I'd be interested in seeing how the 16 types break down in the general pop, both American and globally --- though I am certain any global figures are heavily skewed to western nations........and people that wear suits.

The easiest place to look is Wikipedia - as usual.

Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon

The easiest place to look is Wikipedia - as usual.

Yea, but those percentages conflict with other sources where I've seen INTP and ENFP's put at between 1-2% of US Population.

And yea, I've seen the stuff on Wikipedia, but, it's always nice to have other stuff to compare to, simply because the wiki is so "open source".

I know it's quibbling, but I was wondering if there were some stats generated by the foundation/trust that manages the M~B stuff.

Originally Posted by Skabungus

Yea, but those percentages conflict with other sources where I've seen INTP and ENFP's put at between 1-2% of US Population.

And yea, I've seen the stuff on Wikipedia, but, it's always nice to have other stuff to compare to, simply because the wiki is so "open source".

I know it's quibbling, but I was wondering if there were some stats generated by the foundation/trust that manages the M~B stuff.

I don't think there is a concrete answer, and the MBTI v. Keirsey dichotomy makes it even harder. Here's the Kiersey take on INTP, and ENFP, which are obvoiusly different.

The MB data seems to be tightly held.

Originally Posted by jamesdglick

...Somewhere on the 4TF, someone claimed (I forget who, where or when, and I am not searching thru' 50+ pages of crap) that Civic Heroes tilt NT (I'm a 1966 Xer). Was the poster just guessing, or is there any data on this? I'd imagine Reactive Nomads as SJs, but I'M JUST GUESSING...

-Is there anything to this?

Originally Posted by Mr. Pink Splice on the Irak CF thread

Negative. I'm an INTP, and we detest pretension. As a dog myself, and dogface, I understand pack behavior all too well.

Originally Posted by The Grey Badger on the Early vs. Late Wave Xers thread

Well, speaking only for myself, my emotions tend to come out strong and primitive when they do come out - not very sophisticated. And yes, when it comes to things like the door question and many, many others, I do indeed build decision trees in my head, then get all upset for not being able to track all the branches. If only I could do that, some part of me thinks, I'd have the social questions aced.

Pat, INTP.

As an INTP I find that my long years as a dairyman from the age of five to say twenty-five allowed me to short circuit this building and employing decision trees on whence and wherefore a door might ope.

A long tradition and years of practice of opening doors (and gates) for female Bovine-Americans on a daily basis made it automatic to do so when I was transferred from the rural idiocy of the North of the Mesabi to the cosmopolitan riverbanks of the Father of Waters at the University of Minnesota. I was udderly prepared for polite company after showing the way for so many years on the shores of the River Pike.

And in my junior year as feminism which had been a celebration of womanly virtues and accomplishment began its long plunge into a vulgar-marxist conspiratorial detection of the 'bad guys', the infrequent freemartin ('the lady from the provinces that dresses like a guy'--G&S) who would bellow at the parlour door and shake her head at my opening it before her was an invitation to an exhibition of mitleid (empathy, co-passion) rather than either embarrassment or anger as I had dealt with them in their Bovine-American form.

I think my program of Rectification of Names and requirement of the ownership of domestic livestock by any and all would improve manners greatly (though this is not the greatest virtue of my twin proposal). I cannot claim any great knowledge of pack behavior as any dogs I have owned were alone in my company; the timber wolf and the coyote that share the North of the Mesabi are sociable in their respective routes and wilinesses but my company they do not keep. I do know the intricacies of the Bovine-American rumination from over a half century of daily observation, the alpha-cow would not be self evident from a distance or from brief exposure and bad-bovines of the heifer sort rarely become alphas.

I would suggest to that INTP who would enter polite society, get thee to a rumination of cows, to a drove of nete.

As to the INTP animadversion to pretension, I concur.

Yo. INTP Sv.
VKS

gee...1% of the population, and we're all here at T4T.

May it please Your Majesty,

While we Homo Americans are often at prey, we are also grazers and browsers like our fellow Americans the Bovine and the Cervine who share Our Commercial Republic.

And, too often it is true, we subsist upon the roadkill of life, as do the Corvine- and Aquiline-Americans. The Commercial Republican sees himself diving from above and pouncing upon his prey; but, it must be said that the tire-track is often evident in our victuals.

Ma'am, thank you for leave to remain in green pastures.

Yo. Ob. Sv.
VKS

Originally Posted by Virgil K. Saari

May it please Your Majesty,

While we Homo Americans are often at prey, we are also grazers and browsers like our fellow Americans the Bovine and the Cervine who share Our Commercial Republic.

And, too often it is true, we subsist upon the roadkill of life, as do the Corvine- and Aquiline-Americans. The Commercial Republican sees himself diving from above and pouncing upon his prey; but, it must be said that the tire-track is often evident in our victuals.

Ma'am, thank you for leave to remain in green pastures.

Yo. Ob. Sv.
VKS

Virgil, you'll love this one. From Amazon.com's review of a dairy product, no less. Wish I knew who wrote that if it wasn't you,

Kubla Khan or, Tuscan Whole Milk, 1 Gallon, 128 fl oz, August 7, 2006
By Debunker (USA) - See all my reviews
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately dairy-house decree:
Where Alf, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man,
Down to a sunless sea.
So twice five miles of fertile ground
the sacred cows wandered and fed,
And there were gardens bright with soft young grass,
Where blossomed many a pound of fresh-churned butter;
And casein scents filled the air,
Engorging the nostrils of naughty milk-maids.

A damsel with a dulcimer
In a vision once I saw:
It was an Abyssinian milk-maid,
And on her dulcimer she played,
Singing of Cottage Cheese.
Could I revive within me
Her symphony and song,
To such a deep delight 'twould win me,
That with music loud and long,
I would build that dairy in air,
That sunny dome! those cows of wonder!
And all who heard should see them there,
And all should cry, Moo! Moooo!
Her flashing eyes, her swinging udder!
Weave a circle round her thrice,
And squeeze the teats with care,
For she on sweet grass hath fed,
And produced the Tuscan Whole Milk, 1 Gallon,
128 fl oz, of Paradise.

-- Samuel Taylor Coleridge, 1816

Originally Posted by The Rani

I prefer my food without tire tracks, but predator vs. prey behavior is not quite the same thing as herbivore/carnivore/omnivore.

Sorry, can't come up with an algorithm or anything to explain that one.

Well, at any rate our aboriginal way of making a living was closer to the bear than to the tiger or the cow.

Originally Posted by The Grey Badger

Well, at any rate our aboriginal way of making a living was closer to the bear than to the tiger or the cow.

I vote for Canis Lupus myself. Predator and scavenger. Canis Lupus is also a social critter just like us.

INFP No, doubt about it cause with how the INTP types on here type and write I'm pretty sure I've never been one of you.

Well, I'll get back to what Visionaries do and find new and interesting ways to use what I learned about types. Maybe write a story or something? Though INFP's do have poor follow-through, oh well.

Alright, I'll let you all get back to cows and other boring things you all have taken up talking about.

Oh yeah, I vote for monkeys with a commander-in-chimp cause you know they're also social critters like us.

Originally Posted by MichaelEaston

I got INTJ, whatever that means.

INTP now. I think I viewed myself as more orderly and well-prepared than I actually am!

Originally Posted by MichaelEaston

INTP now. I think I viewed myself as more orderly and well-prepared than I actually am!

The "key test" should help you sort this out. If you often misplace your keys and get annoyed about it, INTP. If you know where your keys are
most of the time, INTJ.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

The "key test" should help you sort this out. If you often misplace your keys and get annoyed about it, INTP. If you know where your keys are
most of the time, INTJ.

Oh, okay. INTP it is.

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

The "key test" should help you sort this out. If you often misplace your keys and get annoyed about it, INTP. If you know where your keys are
most of the time, INTJ.

Affirm. INTP for me as well.

Absent-minded genius is what they used to call it.

Any other INFJs here?

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

The "key test" should help you sort this out. If you often misplace your keys and get annoyed about it, INTP. If you know where your keys are
most of the time, INTJ.

I'm an ISTJ and I frequently misplace my keys! The most common problem is that they are in my purse, where they should be, but lost deep in the inner depths!

Alright, this is just something that popped into my mind but I think there may be some differences among the types in the various archetypes (Artist, Nomad, etc.). I mean it may not seem much but I know a INFP growing up in a crisis has to be different then one during a high.

A remember someone doing with the turning and the 16 types but it was more about the role they played during that time not about them specifically.

Just something on my mind.

Do you suppose there should be some generational correlation?

A higher than average amount of:

NT among Heroes
NF among Prophets
SJ among Nomads
SP among Artists

I'm not too familiar with MBTI so please correct this if needed.

Originally Posted by MichaelEaston

Do you suppose there should be some generational correlation?

A higher than average amount of:

NT among Heroes
NF among Prophets
SJ among Nomads
SP among Artists

I'm not too familiar with MBTI so please correct this if needed.

For the Nomads and the Artist, you have hit the after-midlife temperaments. Before midlife, we Artists were dreadful little SJs and our Nomad children were notorious SPs.

I agree.

A female INTP of an Artist generation - aka an Anthropologist from Mars.

Originally Posted by Andy '85

Here's an aggregate from two personality threads: this one and the other, more recent one in the society forum I think. Sorted by birth year and categorized by decade. Those whose birthyears I forgot are on the bottom, so if anyone knows, please let me know so I can put them in the right spot. Also, if anyone's MBTI is not exactly what I gathered from thread combing, please let me know about that too so I can change it.

I took a test on this site back when I was around in 1999 and learned I was an ISTP.

That means I'm like you!

1931 Barbara INFJ
1939 Idiot Girl INTP
1939 Croakmore INTJ/INTP

1942 Dave Krein ENTJ
1947 Marx & Lennon I/ENTP
1949 Virgil K. Saari INTP
1949 Eric the Green INTP

1950 cbailey ISTJ
1954 Liz '54 ISTJ/ENTJ
1954 Bob Butler '54 INTP
1956 Tim Walker INFJ
1956 The Wonkette ISTJ
1956 wesfolk ISTJ
1956 Brian Rush INTJ
1958 Chicken Little INFJ
1958 Sabinus Invictus ISFJ
1959 Vince Lamb '59 ENTJ
1959 Mike Alexander '59 I/ENTJ
1959 enjolras INTJ
1959 Roadbldr '59 INTJ

1960 richt INTJ/INFJ
1961 Kiff 1961 ISTJ
1961 Skabungus ENFP
1961 jeffw INTP
1962 allybear '62 ESFJ
1962 Ragnarök_62 INTP
1963 Sherry63 INFJ
1963 scott 63 ENTP
1964 Donna Sherman ENTP
1966 Seadog '66 INTP
1967 Neisha '67 INFJ
1968 angeli ENFP
1968 Max ENFP
1968 Peter Gibbons ENFP/ENTJ
1969 SMA I/ENTJ

1971 Ricercar71 INFP
1971 Dave'71 INTJ
1971 Kenkajin INTP
1972 Anne '72 INFJ
1973 dbookwoym INFP
1973 Mitch INFP
1974 Jessie74 ISFP
1976 Wyn76 ENFP
1977 Justin '77 ISTP/ENTP

1980 Arkham '80 INTP
1981 eekelsey ENTP
1982 Chris Lloyd '82 INTP
1982 Mr. Reed INTP
1982 Shemsu Heru INTP
1982 anne579 I/ENTJ
1982 esfp_01simpsonsrule ESFP
1983 Tristan Jones INTJ
1984 Craig '84 ESTP
1984 mmailliw8419 ENTJ
1985 Andy '85 ISTP
1985 Katie '85 ENFP
1986 AlexMnWi ISTJ
1986 Odin INTP

1991 blueman18 INFP

artist_nf I/ENFJ
728huey ESTP
Straha ENTP
Milo INFP
Boean ENTP

If there is anything that needs changing, again, let me know. Especially putting the birthyears of those I don't remember when they were born.

Done with the ones I knew of .

Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62

1931 Barbara INFJ
1939 Idiot Girl INTP Now posts as Grey Badger
1939 Croakmore INTJ/INTP

1942 Dave Krein ENTJ
1947 Marx & Lennon I/ENTP
1949 Virgil K. Saari INTP
1949 Eric the Green INTP

1950 cbailey ISTJ
1954 Liz '54 ISTJ/ENTJ
1954 Bob Butler '54 INTP
1956 Tim Walker INFJ
1956 The Wonkette ISTJ
1956 wesfolk ISTJ
1956 Brian Rush INTJ
1958 Chicken Little INFJ
1958 Sabinus Invictus ISFJ
1959 Vince Lamb '59 ENTJ Now posts as the Pervert
1959 Mike Alexander '59 I/ENTJ Now posts as Mikebert
1959 enjolras INTJ
1959 Roadbldr '59 INTJ

1960 richt INTJ/INFJ
1961 Kiff 1961 ISTJ
1961 Skabungus ENFP
1961 jeffw INTP
1962 allybear '62 ESFJ
1962 Ragnarök_62 INTP
1963 Sherry63 INFJ
1963 scott 63 ENTP
1964 Donna Sherman ENTP
1966 Seadog '66 INTP
1967 Neisha '67 INFJ
1968 angeli ENFP
1968 Max ENFP
1968 Peter Gibbons ENFP/ENTJ Now posts as Zarathustra
1969 SMA I/ENTJ

1971 Ricercar71 INFP
1971 Dave'71 INTJ
1971 Kenkajin INTP
1972 Anne '72 INFJ
1973 dbookwoym INFP
1973 Mitch INFP
1974 Jessie74 ISFP
1976 Wyn76 ENFP
1977 Justin '77 ISTP/ENTP

1980 Arkham '80 INTP
1981 eekelsey ENTP
1982 Chris Lloyd '82 INTP
1982 Mr. Reed INTP
1982 Shemsu Heru INTP
1982 anne579 I/ENTJ
1982 esfp_01simpsonsrule ESFP
1983 Tristan Jones INTJ
1984 Craig '84 ESTP
1984 mmailliw8419 ENTJ Now posts as Seminomad
1985 Andy '85 ISTP
1985 Katie '85 ENFP
1986 AlexMnWi ISTJ
1986 Odin INTP

1991 blueman18 INFP

artist_nf I/ENFJ
728huey ESTP
Straha ENTP
Milo INFP
Boean ENTP



Done with the ones I knew of .

Hope these notes help.