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Post#1326 at 04-09-2008 02:19 PM by Ragnarök_62 [at Oklahoma joined Nov 2006 #posts 5,511]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
I got parsed right off the list.
1. I hand added you.
2. You're special.


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MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP

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Post#1327 at 04-09-2008 02:38 PM by Marx & Lennon [at '47 cohort still lost in Falwelland joined Sep 2001 #posts 16,709]
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Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62 View Post
1. I hand added you.
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It's good to be special.
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Post#1328 at 04-09-2008 07:27 PM by Neisha '67 [at joined Jul 2001 #posts 2,227]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
I think I know why. That old Third Function - Si in my case - kicking in in midlife.

So, that accounts for my sudden obsession with Battlestar Galactica, my formation of a neighborhood parent-child D&D night, and the fact that I'm now on the second book of the second trilogy of Robin Hobb's Realm of the Elderlings books (three trilogies and they're awesome so far, but not as good a George R. R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire). It's the Ti kicking in at age 40! I thought I was turning into a 14 year old boy or something. Phew.

BTW, in the first of Hobb's trilogies, the Farseer Trilolgy, the Fool does a whole explanation of something that sounds a whole lot like Grey Champions and cycles of history -- except in these books Grey Champions are called White Prophets . . .

Neisha (who remembers a point in her 20s when she and Kurt had to watch television in separate rooms cuz his ISTJ self wanted to watch Star Trek: Voyager while her INFJ self wanted to watch Melrose Place)
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Post#1329 at 04-10-2008 12:32 AM by Zarathustra [at Where the Northwest meets the Southwest joined Mar 2003 #posts 9,198]
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Quote Originally Posted by Neisha '67 View Post
So, that accounts for my sudden obsession with Battlestar Galactica . . .
I am really going to miss that show after this season. I am already mourning Jericho.

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. . . my formation of a neighborhood parent-child D&D night . . .
Really?!? Kids still play D&D??? And with adults, no less?!?!?!!
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Post#1330 at 04-10-2008 10:08 AM by herbal tee [at joined Dec 2005 #posts 7,116]
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Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
Really?!? Kids still play D&D??? And with adults, no less?!?!?!!
Oh, yes. I used to play with my nephews. Adult involvement aids bonding with the young and prevents true real world evil from entering the dungeon. My nephews eventually lost interest, mostly because of girls :: , but I have a pretty impressive wizard character who can levitate and become invisible at the same time if needed. :
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Post#1331 at 04-10-2008 03:54 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Quote Originally Posted by The Wonkette View Post
Well, a lot of us score high on the Asperger's type, so not all of us are NT.

(This is a play on words, where among Aspies, the World is divided into two Types: those on the Autistic spectrum, and those who are "Neurotypical" or NT. I reject that dichotomy; the very term "spectrum" implies that there isn't a bright red line dividing those "on the spectrum" and those "off", and thus, there isn't really such a thing as a "neurotypical" brain.)
As far as this aspie is concerned there is no such thing as "normal."
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Post#1332 at 04-10-2008 04:18 PM by Arkham '80 [at joined Oct 2003 #posts 1,402]
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Quote Originally Posted by herbal tee View Post
Oh, yes. I used to play with my nephews. Adult involvement aids bonding with the young and prevents true real world evil from entering the dungeon. My nephews eventually lost interest, mostly because of girls :: , but I have a pretty impressive wizard character who can levitate and become invisible at the same time if needed. :
Give him the meteoric strike spell and you'd have a stealth bomber.
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Post#1333 at 04-10-2008 04:51 PM by Neisha '67 [at joined Jul 2001 #posts 2,227]
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Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
I am really going to miss that show after this season. I am already mourning Jericho.



Really?!? Kids still play D&D??? And with adults, no less?!?!?!!
It's a plot on the part of Xer parents to keep their kids so occupied with funny dice that they stop asking for a Nintendo DS or (horror!) a Wii. Of course no red-blooded seven-year-old boy would think of this on his own. But, a 40-year-old mama sure would, and according to the guy at the comic shop, I'm not alone.







Post#1334 at 04-12-2008 03:48 PM by Roadbldr '59 [at Vancouver, Washington joined Jul 2001 #posts 8,275]
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Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
I am really going to miss that show after this season. I am already mourning Jericho.


I wouldn't be surprised to see a Jericho TV movie sometime next year. Lots of people I'm sure want to see how the Second Civil War plays out. And I for one have a morbid fascination with seeing what some of the nuked cities look like.

With Galactica, I'm hoping that PDX 49 will start showing it on broadcast TV. I missed the entire cable run since I... don't have cable. How long did it go... five seasons?
"Better hurry. There's a storm coming. His storm!!!" :-O -Abigail Freemantle, "The Stand" by Stephen King







Post#1335 at 04-15-2008 06:22 AM by The Young Rebel- '90 [at Columbia, SC joined Aug 2007 #posts 165]
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Just replying

Wow, seeing that new list of all the types makes me feel kinda lonely being the only active-inactive INFP here. But otherwise nice list Rags and good looking up putting me on the list without me having to say anything.
I'm 20 man I can't even believe that, can I even call myself young anymore?
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Post#1336 at 04-16-2008 10:19 AM by The Grey Badger [at Albuquerque, NM joined Sep 2001 #posts 8,876]
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Rereading 4T - I came across the part where S&H tried to type each generation with one of the 4 temperaments. Their efforts have always left me scratching my head in bewilderment because they never seemed to match. Then I realized you had to tie each one to its proper season and allow for the fact that dominant generations keep their dominant temperament from cradle to grave, but recessive ones are notorious for doing a midlife flip.

That said, here is my list.

Prophets: choleric. I mean, come ON! We've seen our current Prophet gen from infancy to old age; what else could they be?

Heroes: sanguine. Read Heinlein et. al. and get out among the Millies.

Artists: Phlegmatic---->melancholy.
Nomads: actually, sanguine ---->phlegmatic. Which is their public face. I'll bet underneath it's actually melancholy ---->phlegmatic. Go watch a production of RENT.
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Post#1337 at 04-16-2008 08:13 PM by Zarathustra [at Where the Northwest meets the Southwest joined Mar 2003 #posts 9,198]
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Quote Originally Posted by Roadbldr '59 View Post
Lots of people I'm sure want to see how the Second Civil War plays out.
Yes. I am hoping against hope that SciFi or someone else picks Jericho up.

Quote Originally Posted by Roadbldr '59 View Post
With Galactica, I'm hoping that PDX 49 will start showing it on broadcast TV. I missed the entire cable run since I... don't have cable. How long did it go... five seasons?
It's in it's fourth and "final".
Americans have had enough of glitz and roar . . Foreboding has deepened, and spiritual currents have darkened . . .
THE FOURTH TURNING IS AT HAND.
See T4T, p. 253.







Post#1338 at 04-20-2008 04:51 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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I know a psychology major who says that I'm probably actually an INTJ, not an INTP. She said that on most on-line tests the P vs. J questions the J answers are far more descriptive of SJs then NJs and thus NJs are far more likely to pick P answers then SJs are. Also, she said that I may appear to be an INTP in many ways simply because I am not in a position to put my ideas into practice (it's kind of hard for a college student like myself to get governments to obey my commands, LOL!).
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Post#1339 at 04-22-2008 12:27 AM by Matt1989 [at joined Sep 2005 #posts 3,018]
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
I know a psychology major who says that I'm probably actually an INTJ, not an INTP. She said that on most on-line tests the P vs. J questions the J answers are far more descriptive of SJs then NJs and thus NJs are far more likely to pick P answers then SJs are. Also, she said that I may appear to be an INTP in many ways simply because I am not in a position to put my ideas into practice (it's kind of hard for a college student like myself to get governments to obey my commands, LOL!).
Don't you have Asperger's? Wouldn't that make you seem more like a J to your psych friend?

He could be right. What do you score higher on, your N or T?







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INTP, mostly 'N' then 'T'

E and J if I feel like it. Rarely.
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Post#1341 at 04-24-2008 06:46 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Quote Originally Posted by MichaelEaston View Post
Don't you have Asperger's? Wouldn't that make you seem more like a J to your psych friend?

He could be right. What do you score higher on, your N or T?
Intuition by far. I usually score a least 90 N and around 60 T. P is always the weakest, around 20 or less.
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Post#1342 at 05-03-2009 07:44 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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I've been looking into MBTI stuff recently, especially regarding the difference between Fi and Fe and I'm coming to think that I'm actually an INFJ. Though it's not surprising that I was mistyped as an INTP for a long time since both INTPs and INFJs have Fe and Ti, and what I thought was Te is actually a mix of auxiliary Fe and tertiary Ti. My Asperger's made me assume that I, by definition, could not have a strong Fe, but looking back I now realize that Fe was there the whole time, motivating my behavior along with Ni, in spite of, or perhaps even BECAUSE of, my Asperger's. What provoked thus ultimately was a little tidbit I read somewhere recently that people with Asperger's don't, as it is often claimed, have an empathy deficit. The so-called "lack of empathy" is actually merely the result of the garbling of subtle emotional, voice tone, and body language cues. give the information more explicitly and the "empathy deficit" disappears.
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Post#1345 at 05-04-2009 09:28 AM by The Grey Badger [at Albuquerque, NM joined Sep 2001 #posts 8,876]
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Quote Originally Posted by Odin View Post
I've been looking into MBTI stuff recently, especially regarding the difference between Fi and Fe and I'm coming to think that I'm actually an INFJ. Though it's not surprising that I was mistyped as an INTP for a long time since both INTPs and INFJs have Fe and Ti, and what I thought was Te is actually a mix of auxiliary Fe and tertiary Ti. My Asperger's made me assume that I, by definition, could not have a strong Fe, but looking back I now realize that Fe was there the whole time, motivating my behavior along with Ni, in spite of, or perhaps even BECAUSE of, my Asperger's. What provoked thus ultimately was a little tidbit I read somewhere recently that people with Asperger's don't, as it is often claimed, have an empathy deficit. The so-called "lack of empathy" is actually merely the result of the garbling of subtle emotional, voice tone, and body language cues. give the information more explicitly and the "empathy deficit" disappears.
I've noted myself that the INFJ is the one type of Idealist that often comes across as a Rational, and the INTP is the one type of Rational that often comes across as an Idealist. As someone put it, "INFJs are cold and hard on the outside and warm and fuzzy on the inside. INTPS are warm and fuzzy on the outside and cold and hard on the inside." So we're mirror twins. (Leaving out gender and generation).

Not to mention the fact that as you get older, these more hidden functions start coming online and working a lot better. I'm actually developing a practical and organized streak. So.

Yeah. Sounds very plausible to me.
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I think I mentioned it somewhere on this forum but most of the tests I've taken says I'm an INFP but my F seems to always come out really low compared to the other traits. I really doubt I'm an INTP though. It's probably from just forcing myself to develop my T side as I grew older.

I'm also confused how someone could be INXP since the dominant functions between INFP and INTP are complete opposites from each other (Fi and Ti). Not too sure how all this MBTI mumbo jumbo works.







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Quote Originally Posted by 90s_Boy View Post
I think I mentioned it somewhere on this forum but most of the tests I've taken says I'm an INFP but my F seems to always come out really low compared to the other traits. I really doubt I'm an INTP though. It's probably from just forcing myself to develop my T side as I grew older.

I'm also confused how someone could be INXP since the dominant functions between INFP and INTP are complete opposites from each other (Fi and Ti). Not too sure how all this MBTI mumbo jumbo works.
As an OF, I understand this intuitively. This is an analog problem, but, being a Millie, you're using digital thinking. In the non-quantum world, everything real is somewhere on a continuum.
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Quote Originally Posted by The Grey Badger View Post
I've noted myself that the INFJ is the one type of Idealist that often comes across as a Rational, and the INTP is the one type of Rational that often comes across as an Idealist. As someone put it, "INFJs are cold and hard on the outside and warm and fuzzy on the inside. INTPS are warm and fuzzy on the outside and cold and hard on the inside." So we're mirror twins. (Leaving out gender and generation).

Not to mention the fact that as you get older, these more hidden functions start coming online and working a lot better. I'm actually developing a practical and organized streak. So.

Yeah. Sounds very plausible to me.
I bet there are a good number of males in academia that are INFJs mistyped as INTPs. at an MBTI message board I post at occasionally a few posters suggested that Steven J. Gould was an INFJ, it would explain the visceral, and many would say irrational, dislike of evolutionary psychology he had. Not liking to put people in boxes is an NF thing.
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Quote Originally Posted by Prisoner 81591518 View Post
I found another MBTI test at www.selectsmart.com, under personality selectors, that's for free. When I took it, I tested out as an ISFJ. No surprises there, either, since I've sensed that to be true of myself for a very long time.
Two things have changed about this test over the last six years (I took it back in April 2003, with the results given in the quote above.):

1) It's no longer available via selectsmart, and

2) Taking the test now costs $5.00.



(I found the exact same MBTI test and took it again last month. Same result as before - ISFJ, born 1958.)
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I'm an INTJ.

One of the rarer types, from what I understand.

This description seems fairly accurate to me:

To outsiders, INTJs may appear to project an aura of "definiteness", of self-confidence. This self-confidence, sometimes mistaken for simple arrogance by the less decisive, is actually of a very specific rather than a general nature; its source lies in the specialized knowledge systems that most INTJs start building at an early age. When it comes to their own areas of expertise -- and INTJs can have several -- they will be able to tell you almost immediately whether or not they can help you, and if so, how. INTJs know what they know, and perhaps still more importantly, they know what they don't know.

INTJs are perfectionists, with a seemingly endless capacity for improving upon anything that takes their interest. What prevents them from becoming chronically bogged down in this pursuit of perfection is the pragmatism so characteristic of the type: INTJs apply (often ruthlessly) the criterion "Does it work?" to everything from their own research efforts to the prevailing social norms. This in turn produces an unusual independence of mind, freeing the INTJ from the constraints of authority, convention, or sentiment for its own sake.

INTJs are known as the "Systems Builders" of the types, perhaps in part because they possess the unusual trait combination of imagination and reliability. Whatever system an INTJ happens to be working on is for them the equivalent of a moral cause to an INFJ; both perfectionism and disregard for authority may come into play, as INTJs can be unsparing of both themselves and the others on the project. Anyone considered to be "slacking," including superiors, will lose their respect -- and will generally be made aware of this; INTJs have also been known to take it upon themselves to implement critical decisions without consulting their supervisors or co-workers. On the other hand, they do tend to be scrupulous and even-handed about recognizing the individual contributions that have gone into a project, and have a gift for seizing opportunities which others might not even notice.
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