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Post#1351 at 05-09-2009 12:25 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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The description of INFJs:

Beneath the quiet exterior, INFJs hold deep convictions about the weightier matters of life. Those who are activists -- INFJs gravitate toward such a role -- are there for the cause, not for personal glory or political power.

INFJs are champions of the oppressed and downtrodden. They often are found in the wake of an emergency, rescuing those who are in acute distress. INFJs may fantasize about getting revenge on those who victimize the defenseless. The concept of 'poetic justice' is appealing to the INFJ.

"There's something rotten in Denmark." Accurately suspicious about others' motives, INFJs are not easily led. These are the people that you can rarely fool any of the time. Though affable and sympathetic to most, INFJs are selective about their friends. Such a friendship is a symbiotic bond that transcends mere words.

INFJs have a knack for fluency in language and facility in communication. In addition, nonverbal sensitivity enables the INFJ to know and be known by others intimately.

Writing, counseling, public service and even politics are areas where INFJs frequently find their niche.

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INFJs are distinguished by both their complexity of character and the unusual range and depth of their talents. Strongly humanitarian in outlook, INFJs tend to be idealists, and because of their J preference for closure and completion, they are generally "doers" as well as dreamers. This rare combination of vision and practicality often results in INFJs taking a disproportionate amount of responsibility in the various causes to which so many of them seem to be drawn.

INFJs are deeply concerned about their relations with individuals as well as the state of humanity at large. They are, in fact, sometimes mistaken for extroverts because they appear so outgoing and are so genuinely interested in people -- a product of the Feeling function they most readily show to the world. On the contrary, INFJs are true introverts, who can only be emotionally intimate and fulfilled with a chosen few from among their long-term friends, family, or obvious "soul mates." While instinctively courting the personal and organizational demands continually made upon them by others, at intervals INFJs will suddenly withdraw into themselves, sometimes shutting out even their intimates. This apparent paradox is a necessary escape valve for them, providing both time to rebuild their depleted resources and a filter to prevent the emotional overload to which they are so susceptible as inherent "givers." As a pattern of behavior, it is perhaps the most confusing aspect of the enigmatic INFJ character to outsiders, and hence the most often misunderstood -- particularly by those who have little experience with this rare type.

Due in part to the unique perspective produced by this alternation between detachment and involvement in the lives of the people around them, INFJs may well have the clearest insights of all the types into the motivations of others, for good and for evil. The most important contributing factor to this uncanny gift, however, are the empathic abilities often found in Fs, which seem to be especially heightened in the INFJ type (possibly by the dominance of the introverted N function).

This empathy can serve as a classic example of the two-edged nature of certain INFJ talents, as it can be strong enough to cause discomfort or pain in negative or stressful situations. More explicit inner conflicts are also not uncommon in INFJs; it is possible to speculate that the causes for some of these may lie in the specific combinations of preferences which define this complex type. For instance, there can sometimes be a "tug-of-war" between NF vision and idealism and the J practicality that urges compromise for the sake of achieving the highest priority goals. And the I and J combination, while perhaps enhancing self-awareness, may make it difficult for INFJs to articulate their deepest and most convoluted feelings.

Usually self-expression comes more easily to INFJs on paper, as they tend to have strong writing skills. Since in addition they often possess a strong personal charisma, INFJs are generally well-suited to the "inspirational" professions such as teaching (especially in higher education) and religious leadership. Psychology and counseling are other obvious choices, but overall, INFJs can be exceptionally difficult to pigeonhole by their career paths. Perhaps the best example of this occurs in the technical fields. Many INFJs perceive themselves at a disadvantage when dealing with the mystique and formality of "hard logic", and in academic terms this may cause a tendency to gravitate towards the liberal arts rather than the sciences. However, the significant minority of INFJs who do pursue studies and careers in the latter areas tend to be as successful as their T counterparts, as it is *iNtuition* -- the dominant function for the INFJ type -- which governs the ability to understand abstract theory and implement it creatively.

In their own way, INFJs are just as much "systems builders" as are INTJs; the difference lies in that most INFJ "systems" are founded on human beings and human values, rather than information and technology. Their systems may for these reasons be conceptually "blurrier" than analogous NT ones, harder to measure in strict numerical terms, and easier to take for granted -- yet it is these same underlying reasons which make the resulting contributions to society so vital and profound.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

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Post#1352 at 05-09-2009 01:09 PM by Chas'88 [at In between Pennsylvania & Pennsyltucky joined Nov 2008 #posts 9,432]
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Right Arrow I took the test again...

This time I took a longer version of the test than usual (somewhere closer to 70 questions instead of the 40 question tests I had been taking).

I'm an ENFP...

ENFPs have a tendency to overextend themselves in both their physical and emotional commitments. Their proclivity to procrastinate and to overlook details complicates their circumstances. ENFPs often move on to new ventures without completing those they have already started. Their charming personalities can show signs of irritability and over-sensitivity when their desires to please different people come into conflict. During times of stress, ENFPs feel alienated. They then engage in deceptions that serve to obscure what is occurring within themselves.
The ENFP finds symbolic meanings behind the immediate circumstances. These meanings are construed as foreboding problems when ENFPs are under stress. Having a pervasive feeling of losing control over their own independent identities, ENFPs will feel virtually split apart by intruding circumstances. They will be "besides themselves" and "just not all there" — as if something, or someone, has taken away the essence of who they are. Not feeling like themselves, the ENFP will become subject to their own feelings of shame for being a phony, a fake or an impostor. If stress continues to grow, they may attribute malevolent schemes to others in order to explain away their fears.



The thing that really sealed it for me was the fears part.



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Post#1353 at 05-09-2009 04:50 PM by 90s_Boy [at joined Apr 2007 #posts 111]
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Quote Originally Posted by Marx & Lennon View Post
As an OF, I understand this intuitively. This is an analog problem, but, being a Millie, you're using digital thinking. In the non-quantum world, everything real is somewhere on a continuum.
So are you saying that everyone uses every personality function to a certain degree or something? Not too sure what you meant.

I guess that would make sense though.







Post#1354 at 05-09-2009 06:39 PM by Ragnarök_62 [at Oklahoma joined Nov 2006 #posts 5,511]
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Quote Originally Posted by 90s_Boy View Post
So are you saying that everyone uses every personality function to a certain degree or something? Not too sure what you meant.

I guess that would make sense though.
What M&L said matches what my MBTI interpreter did as an analogy.

For an INTP (myself) think of the 2 first preferences (Ti, Ne) as the parents in the front seat of a car. The next 2 (Si, Fe) are a child and a toddler in the back seat. The first 2 are competent adults, while the latter are not so competent kids. As for the non quantum part, yup. On the step 2 test, each
pole set (T/F) (S/N) (E/I) (P/J) your score will show up somewhere in the middle of 100% of one or the other. The it gets weird, in that some folks get one "facet" which is "out of preference". On my test, "expressive" is an extraverted facet and thus is "out of preference" (for I).
MBTI step II type : Expressive INTP

There's an annual contest at Bond University, Australia, calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term:
The winning student wrote:

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and promoted by mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end."







Post#1355 at 05-09-2009 08:57 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarök_62 View Post
What M&L said matches what my MBTI interpreter did as an analogy.

For an INTP (myself) think of the 2 first preferences (Ti, Ne) as the parents in the front seat of a car. The next 2 (Si, Fe) are a child and a toddler in the back seat. The first 2 are competent adults, while the latter are not so competent kids. As for the non quantum part, yup. On the step 2 test, each
pole set (T/F) (S/N) (E/I) (P/J) your score will show up somewhere in the middle of 100% of one or the other. The it gets weird, in that some folks get one "facet" which is "out of preference". On my test, "expressive" is an extraverted facet and thus is "out of preference" (for I).
My tertiary Ti is oddly strong for an INFJ, probably because of both me being a guy (F is discouraged and T encouraged in men) and because of my Asperger's (I had to consciously learn people's non-verbal cues as a system of behavior so my Fe had the right data), this is what cause me to be mistyped as INTP for so long, but ultimately it's my Ni and Fe that are in the driver's seat in terms of motivation, Ti is merely a tool for Humanistic, people-centered ends.
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism







Post#1356 at 05-10-2009 07:04 PM by DaveGarber1975 [at Provo, UT, USA joined Jul 2008 #posts 372]
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Quote Originally Posted by mr. Reed View Post
what is your mbti personality type? And birth year?
infj. 1975.







Post#1357 at 05-10-2009 07:06 PM by DaveGarber1975 [at Provo, UT, USA joined Jul 2008 #posts 372]
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Quote Originally Posted by Anne '72 View Post
I am an INFJ, born 1972.

I read in an MTBI book that although INFJ, INTJ, INTP, and INFP are only about 5-10% of the population, they are a majority at MTBI workshops, because they are interested in cultivating theories about the world.

That makes sense with T4T theory as well!
Interesting.







Post#1358 at 05-10-2009 08:11 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Quote Originally Posted by DaveGarber1975 View Post
infj. 1975.
Wow, INTJ Libertarians are dime a dozen, but you're the first INFJ Libertarian I've ran into!

(Then again Jefferson is sometimes typed as INFJ so that's probably not unheard of. )
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-Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man under Socialism







Post#1359 at 05-10-2009 10:32 PM by Andy '85 [at Texas joined Aug 2003 #posts 1,465]
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I took one of those 70-odd questionnaires and saw that I have changed since college from an ISTP to an ISTJ.

Strangely, this seems to have described me better now than the ISTP description, but I attribute the change to the reason that I now have full-time employment instead of being a student.
Right-Wing liberal, slow progressive, and other contradictions straddling both the past and future, but out of touch with the present . . .

"We also know there are known unknowns.
That is to say, we know there are some things we do not know." - Donald Rumsfeld







Post#1360 at 05-10-2009 10:40 PM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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Quote Originally Posted by Andy '85 View Post
I took one of those 70-odd questionnaires and saw that I have changed since college from an ISTP to an ISTJ.

Strangely, this seems to have described me better now than the ISTP description, but I attribute the change to the reason that I now have full-time employment instead of being a student.
You always seemed like an ISJ to me!
To recommend thrift to the poor is both grotesque and insulting. It is like advising a man who is starving to eat less.

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Post#1361 at 05-11-2009 01:38 AM by Matt1989 [at joined Sep 2005 #posts 3,018]
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Still an INTP (with moderate P) though I've finally moved out of the 95% T zone... for one test.







Post#1362 at 05-11-2009 10:06 AM by The Grey Badger [at Albuquerque, NM joined Sep 2001 #posts 8,876]
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I was on the Keirsey temperament site. Keirsey Junior was posting a thumbnail description of the xNTx subtypes and I am most decidedly what they call a Planner, which is the INTJ, which is how I tested at work. But I am fuzzy-headed enough, disorganized enough, and often enough come across as an NF on the surface, that INTP fits better.

The Grey Badger, now wondering if the difference comes from being female and from being Silent Generation - or from the combination.

But at any rate, paraphrasing the thumbnail sketch, the Planner acts to gain and/or keep her autonomy by having a plan for every contingency and that sure is me to the lest little bit. The Designer (INTP) does so by designing systems to suit his or her needs. I can't do that. I can see where they're badly designed, or rather, can feel it like an ill-fitting pair of jeans, and can usually see what needs to be done to correct it, but when it comes to navigating the world myself? Plan A, B, C, D.....n-1, here's the flow chart....
How to spot a shill, by John Michael Greer: "What you watch for is (a) a brand new commenter who (b) has nothing to say about the topic under discussion but (c) trots out a smoothly written opinion piece that (d) hits all the standard talking points currently being used by a specific political or corporate interest, while (e) avoiding any other points anyone else has made on that subject."

"If the shoe fits..." The Grey Badger.







Post#1363 at 05-15-2009 05:34 PM by SVE-KRD [at joined Apr 2007 #posts 1,097]
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I found the following interesting item concerning my MBTI type and political leanings:

ISFJ


We had 141 ISFJs volunteer their political affiliation. The breakdown is as follows:
  1. Democrat - 26% (37/141)
  2. Republican - 22% (31/141)
  3. Not Political - 17% (24/141)
  4. Liberal - 13% (19/141)
  5. Conservative - 11% (15/141)
  6. Middle of the Road - 8% (11/141)
  7. Other - 1% (2/141)
  8. Libertarian - 0% (0/141)
Looks like ISFJs are pretty evenly split between the two sides - but with NO Libertarians.







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Here's the breakdown for all sixteen types:

Personality Type and Political Affiliation


We have fairly recently started asking people who take the Personality Questionnaire about their political affiliation. We were able to generate some interesting statistics from those who were kind enough to offer this information.
These statistics were generated from a set of 1222 people. The average age of participants was 25 years old.
Overall Political Affiliation Breakdown


Here's a look at the number of responses for each political affiliation, without respect to personality type:
  1. Democrat - 25% (301/1222)
  2. Republican - 21% (253/1222)
  3. Not Political - 18% (225/1222)
  4. Middle of the Road - 11% (134/1222)
  5. Liberal - 10% (125/1222)
  6. Conservative - 6% (77/1222)
  7. Other - 5% (56/1222)
  8. Libertarian - 2% (25/1222)

ENFP


We had 130 ENFPs volunteer their political affiliation. The breakdown is as follows:
  1. Democrat - 27% (35/130)
  2. Republican - 19% (25/130)
  3. Liberal - 16% (21/130)
  4. Not Political - 10% (13/130)
  5. Middle of the Road - 8% (11/130)
  6. Other - 8% (11/130)
  7. Conservative - 7% (9/130)
  8. Libertarian - 5% (6/130)

ESFP


We had 67 ESFPs volunteer their political affiliation. The breakdown is as follows:
  1. Republican - 34% (23/67)
  2. Not Political - 19% (13/67)
  3. Democrat - 13% (9/67)
  4. Middle of the Road - 12% (8/67)
  5. Conservative - 10% (7/67)
  6. Liberal - 7% (5/67)
  7. Other - 3% (2/67)
  8. Libertarian - 0% (0/67)

ENTP


We had 35 ENTPs volunteer their political affiliation. The breakdown is as follows:
  1. Democrat - 23% (8/35)
  2. Liberal - 20% (7/35)
  3. Not Political - 20% (7/35)
  4. Middle of the Road - 11% (4/35)
  5. Republican - 9% (3/35)
  6. Other - 9% (3/35)
  7. Conservative - 3% (1/35)
  8. Libertarian - 3% (1/35)

ESTP


We had 39 ESTPs volunteer their political affiliation. The breakdown is as follows:
  1. Democrat - 33% (13/39)
  2. Not Political - 21% (8/39)
  3. Middle of the Road - 15% (6/39)
  4. Republican - 13% (5/39)
  5. Liberal - 8% (3/39)
  6. Other - 5% (2/39)
  7. Conservative - 3% (1/39)
  8. Libertarian - 3% (1/39)

ESFJ


We had 106 ESFJs volunteer their political affiliation. The breakdown is as follows:
  1. Democrat - 32% (34/106)
  2. Not Political - 27% (29/106)
  3. Republican - 16% (17/106)
  4. Middle of the Road - 10% (11/106)
  5. Liberal - 7% (7/106)
  6. Other - 3% (3/106)
  7. Conservative - 2% (2/106)
  8. Libertarian - 2%(2/106)

ENFJ


We had 41 ENFJs volunteer their political affiliation. The breakdown is as follows:
  1. Republican - 27% (11/41)
  2. Democrat - 24% (10/41)
  3. Liberal - 15% (6/41)
  4. Conservative - 10% (4/41)
  5. Other - 10% (4/41)
  6. Not Political - 7% (3/41)
  7. Middle of the Road - 5% (2/41)
  8. Libertarian - 2% (1/41)

ESTJ


We had 126 ESTJs volunteer their political affiliation. The breakdown is as follows:
  1. Republican - 25% (31/126)
  2. Democrat - 24% (30/126)
  3. Not Political - 21% (26/126)
  4. Middle of the Road - 9% (11/126)
  5. Liberal - 8% (10/126)
  6. Conservative - 7% (9/126)
  7. Other - 4% (5/126)
  8. Libertarian - 3% (4/126)

ENTJ


We had 20 ENTJs volunteer their political affiliation. The breakdown is as follows:
  1. Democrat - 25% (5/20)
  2. Not Political - 25% (5/20)
  3. Liberal - 20% (4/20)
  4. Conservative - 10% (2/20)
  5. Republican - 5% (1/20)
  6. Other - 5% (1/20)
  7. Middle of the Road - 5% (1/20)
  8. Libertarian - 0% (0/20)

INFP


We had 150 INFPs volunteer their political affiliation. The breakdown is as follows:
  1. Not Political - 23% (35/150)
  2. Democrat - 19% (29/150)
  3. Middle of the Road - 15% (23/150)
  4. Republican - 15% (22/150)
  5. Liberal - 10% (15/150)
  6. Conservative - 8% (12/150)
  7. Other - 5% (8/150)
  8. Libertarian - 2% (3/150)

ISFP


We had 85 ISFPs volunteer their political affiliation. The breakdown is as follows:
  1. Democrat - 32% (27/85)
  2. Not Political - 21% (18/85)
  3. Middle of the Road - 13% (11/85)
  4. Republican - 12% (10//85)
  5. Liberal - 8% (7/85)
  6. Conservative - 3% (3/85)
  7. Other - 3% (3/85)
  8. Libertarian - 3% (3/85)

INTP


We had 46 INTPs volunteer their political affiliation. The breakdown is as follows:
  1. Republican - 26% (12/46)
  2. Democrat - 26% (12/46)
  3. Not Political - 15% (7/46)
  4. Middle of the Road - 13% (6/46)
  5. Liberal - 13% (6/46)
  6. Conservative - 4% (2/46)
  7. Other - 2% (1/46)
  8. Libertarian - 0% (0/46)

ISTP


We had 34 ISTPs volunteer their political affiliation. The breakdown is as follows:
  1. Middle of the Road - 24% (8/34)
  2. Republican - 21% (7/34)
  3. Democrat - 21% (7/34)
  4. Not Political - 12% (4/34)
  5. Liberal - 9% (3/34)
  6. Conservative - 3% (1/34)
  7. Other - 3% (1/34)
  8. Libertarian - 0% (0/34)

INFJ


We had 72 INFJs volunteer their political affiliation. The breakdown is as follows:
  1. Republican - 25% (18/72)
  2. Not Political - 24% (17/72)
  3. Democrat - 18% (13/72)
  4. Middle of the Road - 13% (9/72)
  5. Liberal - 8% (6/72)
  6. Conservative - 4% (3/72)
  7. Other - 3% (2/72)
  8. Libertarian - 1% (1/72)

ISFJ


We had 141 ISFJs volunteer their political affiliation. The breakdown is as follows:
  1. Democrat - 26% (37/141)
  2. Republican - 22% (31/141)
  3. Not Political - 17% (24/141)
  4. Liberal - 13% (19/141)
  5. Conservative - 11% (15/141)
  6. Middle of the Road - 8% (11/141)
  7. Other - 1% (2/141)
  8. Libertarian - 0% (0/141)

INTJ


We had 21 INTJs volunteer their political affiliation. The breakdown is as follows:
  1. Republican - 33% (7/21)
  2. Not Political - 14% (3/21)
  3. Middle of the Road - 14% (3/21)
  4. Conservative - 10% (2/21)
  5. Democrat - 10% (2/21)
  6. Liberal - 5% (1/21)
  7. Other - 5% (1/21)
  8. Libertarian - 5% (1/21)

ISTJ


We had 103 ISTJs volunteer their political affiliation. The breakdown is as follows:
  1. Republican - 29% (30/103)
  2. Democrat - 29% (30/103)
  3. Not Political - 13% (13/103)
  4. Middle of the Road - 9% (9/103)
  5. Other - 7% (7/103)
  6. Liberal - 5% (5/103)
  7. Conservative - 4% (4/103)
  8. Libertarian - 2% (2/103)
Make of it what you will.







Post#1365 at 03-07-2010 01:34 AM by James E. F. Landau [at Moraga, CA joined Oct 2001 #posts 250]
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I noticed my name wasn't on the list. I'm ISTP, born 1979.







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ENFJ, 1956, Enneagram 3







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I'm a ENTP/ENFP -- those are the two responses I get back when I take these types of tests.

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"There have always been people who say: "The war will be over someday." I say there's no guarantee the war will ever be over. Naturally a brief intermission is conceivable. Maybe the war needs a breather, a war can even break its neck, so to speak. But the kings and emperors, not to mention the pope, will always come to its help in adversity. ON the whole, I'd say this war has very little to worry about, it'll live to a ripe old age."







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I am an ISFJ

You are quiet, friendly, responsible, and conscientious. You are committed and steady in meeting your obligations. You are thorough, painstaking, and accurate. You are loyal, considerate, notice and remember specifics about people who are important to you, and concerned with how others feel. You strive to create an orderly and harmonious environment at work and at home.







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Quote Originally Posted by James E. F. Landau View Post
I noticed my name wasn't on the list. I'm ISTP, born 1979.
Just how "Gen X" or reactive/nomadic do you perceive yourself?
"The urge to dream, and the will to enable it is fundamental to being human and have coincided with what it is to be American." -- Neil deGrasse Tyson
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Quote Originally Posted by Christi56 View Post
ENFJ, 1956, Enneagram 3
And how much do you identify with the stereotypical Boom experience?
"The urge to dream, and the will to enable it is fundamental to being human and have coincided with what it is to be American." -- Neil deGrasse Tyson
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I'm a younger Boomer (1956). My friends are mostly all older than me, so I've always felt like I missed "being there" in the 60s. I think that is pretty typical.

I am aware of the Generation Jones moniker, and I guess that technically that is what I am, but I have an idea of them being more conservative, the ones who loved Reagan, etc. Which is not me. I have a pretty hippyish attitude and lifestyle, at least that's what my 3 Millennial kids like to tell me

I've noticed that the one area I'm different from older Boomers is the experience of patriotism. Many of the older Boomers I know talk about JFK and a love for America in a way that I cannot feel. I grew up in the 70s, and no one I knew and respected cried when the flag was raised. Vietnam. Watergate. Nixon.







Post#1372 at 03-08-2010 01:46 AM by Odin [at Moorhead, MN, USA joined Sep 2006 #posts 14,442]
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In case my placement hasn't been changed, I now consider myself an INFJ 6w5.
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Post#1373 at 03-08-2010 01:56 AM by scotths [at joined May 2009 #posts 321]
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intp... 1975....Raised by first wave boomers...

Politically I would say a pragmatic progressive who usually votes for Democrats.







Post#1374 at 03-09-2010 03:06 AM by James E. F. Landau [at Moraga, CA joined Oct 2001 #posts 250]
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Bittersweet Generation

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Just how "Gen X" or reactive/nomadic do you perceive yourself?
When I first read about Generation X, I didn't know what my generation was to be called. The dates were usually given as something like 1964-1977 or 1965-1976.

Then I discovered Howe & Strauss. It told me that the Thirteenth Generation was 1961-1981. I thought that I must be an Xer because my fellow 1979ers certainly didn't fit the description of the Millennial Generation (never questioning authority, believing people have too much freedom, avoiding drugs and premarital intercourse, etc.) offered by Howe & Strauss. With my rebellious nature and attempts to become a rock star, I thought I was an Xer for sure and the authors had nailed me.

I also believed that no one would listen to young people and that change was impossible in these days. I knew that just writing a letter to your representatives wouldn't make them change any laws. I had even renounced my American citizenship. This, I believed, made me a true blue Xer.

But there were my arguments with people born in the sixties and early seventies on the board about how Xers would raise their children, about the future of the teen rights movement (I'm a big YR fan), about whether the world was too dangerous or too fascist. Xers were supposed to be neglected as children, with a plethora of divorces, and have had a lot of freedom as teens. This didn't describe my 1979-born peers at all.

Furthermore, I noticed that the kids born in 1982, 1983, 1984 . . . weren't acting the way the authors said Millennials would. They opposed curfews and school uniforms and supported lowering the voting and drinking ages. They were doing drugs, going to raves, getting tongue rings and snowboarding just like late 13ers (by the Howe/Strauss count). As a matter of fact, teen drug use rose when the first 1982 cohorts entered high school. Like us 1979-1981 folks, 1983 or 1986 kids saw the world as too repressive instead of viewing it as too chaotic. Musicians like Steve Jocz, Talena Atfield, Avril Lavigne, Michelle Branch and Kelly Osbourne had a countercultural image instead of a clean-cut one -- even the Hanson boys grew long hair. And of course, after September 11 teens overwhelmingly chose liberty over security (I'm sure you've all seen me post the poll 75 times) and said Bush was in it for the oil!

I finally decided that maybe Howe & Strauss didn't have all the answers and there were more than four generational archetypes. I had also read up on Anthony Brancato's postings on the Interbellum Generation, the radicals born between 1901 and 1910, not to mention Anthony, Linda and Susan's posts on Generation Jones. I settled on "the Bittersweet Generation" as a name for the generation directly after X, people who share the counterculturality of Nomads and the idealism of Heroes. So I'm not Gen-X . . . I'm Bittersweet.







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I am an ENTP. Extreme "E" and "P". Right in the middle on the "NT" component. I have occasionally tested ENFP recently. Maybe I'm getting nicer. Core silent parents. Birth year 1970.

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