I also like how they say that if you were 18 to 21 in 1997 (born 1976 thru 79) you exist in this netherworld where no one can tell what generation you are in. How true.
When I was in 8th grade and this Xer stuff was reaching its peak in the media, we all argued about the boundary.
But when I was a senior it was fairly clear that the class of 2000 was noticeably different. I dont know much about the class of 76, except thats when Bruce Campbell of Evil Dead fame was born, and hes an honorary Xer in my book, even if hes wearing polyester in his yearbook photo.

Probably the most important factor in placing a given cohort in a "generation" is how much it participates in the (usually negative) generational dialogues that appear regularly in each turning - midlife Heroes vs. elder Nomads in a High, coming-of-age Prophets vs. elder Heroes in an Awakening, and midlife Prophets vs. rising-adult Nomads in an Unraveling.

Nobody I knew to be my age growing up ever had any real "problems" with G.I.s, mainly because we had too little meaningful contact with them since they were too old to be our parents and too young to be our grandparents. And as for the Clinton era's "twentysomethings" - I have never regarded them has anything but real "characters" - certainly not "wasted" or anything like that (or at least no more than those my own age are!). Indeed, if I harbor any negative feelings towards them, it's jealousy - how come we didn't think up some of the stuff they've come up with?

Sorry, just can't see people like me being Boomers. And on the "Jones" front, it looks like Jonathan Pontell may be having problems lining up a publisher - and this might be why the release of his book keeps getting pushed back (the reason I say this is that a while back our Robbie Ashbury posted a question about when the "Jones" book was coming out on the GJ message board; I replied - using a link from a prior "Jones" newspaper article that identified Vanguard Press as the publisher. Well, about 24 hours later both Robbie's post and my reply to it had been deleted!).

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Anthony '58 on 2001-12-30 03:54 ]</font>

If they make a habit of deleting posts that "disagree" with anything, don't bother posting there anymore.

heh.I guess I am a "twentysomething" of the Clinton era.
Anthony, your sentiments remind me of this other person who was born in 1961 I believe, who said he was envious of Clinton era 20somethings because at least they had a generation, whatever it was.
My three relatives in this Jones group all had GI parents, but they were definitely the lasp gasps of the post war generation.
My grandparents were born in 1916,1918,1923,and 1924.
I understand your frustration though.
Today I got to feel the heat of the baby boomlet in manhattan, where about 4 billion Harry Potter fanatics swept through the streets around Rockefeller center, where they could get their pictures taken with a real live Picachu,Teletubby, and Blue from Blues Clues.
I also saw Ground Zero, where everyone was trying to sell me pins and momentos so i could have my own special "piece" of the tragedy.
It was really upsetting to see people making money off what happened to all those people, and even more upsetting to see people dragging their little kids down their for the ultimate in spectacle.
My experience with my brother and most people our age, is we tend not to talk about Sept 11 like the boomers do, who are obsessing over it.
I had friends at school that would refuse to talk about it.
Maybe Nomads deal with shit differently.

Maybe Nomads start doing things rather than talking about things.

On 2001-12-30 22:05, Donna Sherman wrote:
Maybe Nomads start doing things rather than talking about things.

That's exactly it, Donna. :smile:

When the going gets tough, the tough get going.

Kiff '61

We should put on a little "the heat is on" or "highway to the dangerzone"

I received this clipping back in Sept. of 2000, and recently rediscovered it. I don't know if it has been posted anywhere on this site, so I'll add it to the mix.

Beloit, Wis.- First-year students-those formerly know as freshmen-are
descending on the campuses of America, loaded with cell phones, Palm
Pilots,
CD burners and other essential items, hardly even imagined a short time
ago.
They are prepared to dive into courses taught by wise and all-knowing
faculty who may be ten or 50 years their senior. This year's first-year students, members of the Class of 2004, were
generally born in 1982, the year the E.R.A went down to defeat, AIDS
was
designated a top priority after it killed 164 people, the Weather
Channel
and CSPAN went on the cable, and Phil Gramm became a Republican. According to Beloit College's Professor Tom McBride, "We assemble this
list
out of a genuine concern for our first-year students, and as a reminder
to
the faculty of the gap that may exist between generations. Education is
the
best remedy for the situation, but we start out with varying points of
reference and cultural touchstones." The 50-item "Mindset of First-Year Students in the Class of 2004" list
has
been shared with faculty and staff at the 154 year-old liberal arts
college
as they welcome the new class.

1. Most students entering college this fall in the class of 2004, were
born
in 1982.
2. Grace Kelly, Elvis Presley, Karen Carpenter, and the E.R.A. have
always
been dead.
3. Kurt Cobain's death was the "day the music died."
4. Somebody named George Bush has been on every national ticket, except
one,
since they were born.
5. The Kennedy tragedy was a plane crash, not an assassination.
6. Huckleberry Finn has always been a "banned book."
7. A "45" is a gun, not a record with a large hole in the center.
8. They have no clue what the Beach Boys were talking about when they
sang
about a 409, and the Little Deuce Coupe.
9. They have probably never lost anything in shag carpeting.
10. MASH and The Muppet Show have always been in re-runs.
11. Punk Rock is an activist movement, not a musical form.
12. They have always bought telephones, rather than rent them from
AT&T.
13. The year they were born, AIDS was found to have killed 164 people;
finding a cure for the new disease was designated a "top priority" for
government-sponsored research.
14. We have always been able to reproduce DNA in the laboratory.
15. Wars begin and end quickly; peace-keeping missions go on forever.
16. There have always been ATM machines.
17. The President has always addressed the nation on the radio on
Saturday.
18. We have always been able to receive television signals by direct
broadcast satellite.
19. Cities have always been trying to ban the possession and sale of
handguns.
20. Watergate is as relevant to their lives as the Teapot Dome scandal.
21. They have no idea that a "presidential scandal" once meant nothing
more
than Ronald Reagan taking President Carter's briefing book in
"Debategate."
22. They have never referred to Russia and China as "the Reds."
23. Toyotas and Hondas have always been made in the United States.
24. There has always been a national holiday honoring Martin Luther
King,
Jr.
25. Three Mile Island is ancient history, and nuclear accidents happen
in
other countries.
26. Around-the-clock coverage of congress, public affairs, weather
reports,
and rock videos have always been available on cable.
27. Senator Phil Gramm has always been a Republican.
28. Women sailors have always been stationed on U.S. Navy ships.
29. The year they were born, the New York Times announced that the
"boom
in
video games," a fad, had come to an end.
30. Congress has been questioning computer intrusion into individuals'
personal lives since they were born.
31. Bear Bryant has never coached at Alabama.
32. They have always been able to afford Calvin Klein.
33. Coors Beer has always been sold east of the Mississippi,
eliminating
the
need for Burt Reynolds to outrun the authorities in the Smokey and the
Bandit films.
34. They were born the same year that Ebony and Ivory lived in perfect
harmony.
35. The year they were born, Dustin Hoffman wore a dress and Julie
Andrews
wore a tuxedo.
36. Elton John has only been heard on easy listening stations.
37. Woodstock is a bird or a reunion, not a cultural touchstone.
38. They have never heard a phone "ring."
39. They never dressed up for a plane flight.
40. Hurricanes have always had men's and women's names.
41. Lawn darts have always been illegal.
42. "Coming out" parties celebrate more than debutantes.
43. They only know Madonna singing American Pie.
44. They neither know who Billy Joe was, nor wondered what he was doing
on
the Talahatchee Bridge.
45. They never thought of Jane Fonda as "Hanoi Jane," nor associated
her
with any revolution other than the "Fitness Revolution" videotape they
may
have found in the attic.
46. The Osmonds are talk show hosts.
47. They have never used a bottle of "White Out."
48. If they vaguely remember the night the Berlin Wall fell, they are
probably not sure why it was up in the first place.
49. "Spam" and "cookies" are not necessarily foods.
50. They feel more danger from having sex and being in school, than
from
possible nuclear war.

I am especially glad they added that bit about Smokey and the Bandit. :smile:

I've seen this Beloit College list before. I think they must update it and put it out every fall.

It does make me stop and think about how different the world is now.

Kiff '61

duh, what's a lawn dart?

and Huckleberry Finn is banned??? since when?

On 2002-01-03 17:52, angeli wrote:
duh, what's a lawn dart?

and Huckleberry Finn is banned??? since when?

Huckleberry Finn was the fifth most challenged book of the past decade, according to the American Library Association:

http://www.ala.org/bbooks/top100bannedbooks.html

"Challenged" means that someone has raised an objection to the book. It doesn't necessarily follow that the book will be banned, or removed from a collection.

Kiff '61

That book was great, because us suburban white kids had to deal with words like "nigga" in class.
That was educational, and heavy.
Most of our books were about how times affected an individual, The Great Depression (Steinbeck) Southern society (McCullers)more Southern Society (Faulkner) 70s Divorce Epidemic(Updike)Holocaust (Wiesel).
But Huckleberry Finn was like The Apocalypse Now of the South...I really liked it.

Justin -- hey, aren't you the same Justin who posted on the millennialsrising board once -- a long time ago? Good to see some familiar faces here.

nobody told me what a lawn dart is yet????

On 2002-01-09 20:30, angeli wrote:

nobody told me what a lawn dart is yet????

They look sort of like little rockets with fins on the sides. You would place two hoops on the lawn a distance apart, grab this lawn dart "rocket" by the handle on the tail, and give it an underhand toss seeking to make it land in the opposite hoop. Sort of the same idea as horseshoes. But, as I recall, a few years ago some kid impaled himself with the tip of one and the things were banned.

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Shoot, me and my brother Xer ('64) used to play lawn darts all the time when we were kids. Our set wasn't even all that pointy or sharp.

What Millies miss out on....

Kiff '61

Yeah we used to have those too :smile:

On 2002-01-10 14:25, Justin'79 wrote:
Yeah we used to have those too :smile:

Well, I guess that answers your question -- you belong with Gen-X! :grin:

Hey! My set was blunt, too. They had tips about as pointy as an unused pencil eraser.

:???: How does someone impale themselves on a lawn dart? :???:

Did they sharpen it first?



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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Justin '77 on 2002-01-10 15:52 ]</font>

Lawn darts (or jarts) are banned because too many people got hit in the head with heavy metal objects thrown in the air. Broken skulls, damaged eyes, things like that.

On 2002-01-10 16:27, SMA wrote:
Lawn darts (or jarts) are banned because too many people got hit in the head with heavy metal objects thrown in the air. Broken skulls, damaged eyes, things like that.

Are there still stones in the rest of the American Homeland? Are they gone for the sake of the Children? Do advise.

On 2002-01-10 16:43, Virgil K. Saari wrote:

On 2002-01-10 16:27, SMA wrote:

Lawn darts (or jarts) are banned because too many people got hit in the head with heavy metal objects thrown in the air. Broken skulls, damaged eyes, things like that.

Are there still stones in the rest of the American Homeland? Are they gone for the sake of the Children? Do advise.

Don't say that too loud. You might give some political elements ideas.

On 2002-01-10 16:43, Virgil K. Saari wrote:

On 2002-01-10 16:27, SMA wrote:
Lawn darts (or jarts) are banned because too many people got hit in the head with heavy metal objects thrown in the air. Broken skulls, damaged eyes, things like that.

Are there still stones in the rest of the American Homeland? Are they gone for the sake of the Children? Do advise.

Yeah, and what about croquet balls? Bowling balls? Baseballs?

Kiff '61

"Lawn darts (yawn)?...you'll shoot your eye out, kid."

you'll shoot yer eye out! yuleshootyereye out!