Hey pass me a shot! I am thirsty for a little hard stuff. I think I'll do that Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday night.
(Thank God for MLK!)
:wink:
As for you Stonewall, you have a beard, and are kind of stern looking :smile:

On 2002-01-15 21:13, Justin'79 wrote:

Hey pass me a shot! I am thirsty for a little hard stuff. I think I'll do that Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday night.
(Thank God for MLK!)
:wink:

No problem. But we need somebody to drive.

As for you Stonewall, you have a beard, and are kind of stern looking :smile:

You must be thinking of Stonewall Jackson and probably conjuring up the image of something similar to the guys on the box of cough drops! No, no beard. And I doubt that anybody would consider me stern looking. I just sound that way when I am talking crisis politics. :evil:

Next round's on you, son. :wink:

On 2002-01-15 21:07, Stonewall Patton wrote:
...
Actually, we better consult with Robert on this. By his classification, would an INFP fall under nerd or geek? He only covered us NTs earlier.

Even though INTPs dominate the geek community, INFPs are also usually very popular in it. INFPs can be considered a geek also, but it would probably come down to how far to the left of T/F center you are. As for INFJs, they can fall under the Nerd category, but the same above applies.

You lost me.
Dont worry Stonewall, Ill break out some Wild Turkey.

On 2002-01-15 21:44, Justin'79 wrote:

You lost me.
Dont worry Stonewall, Ill break out some Wild Turkey.

Did I lose you with my cough drop reference or did Robert lose you with the nerd/geek analysis? If it's the cough drops, that is another interesting generational thing -- and you are supposed to be my generation!

On 2002-01-15 21:34, madscientist wrote:

On 2002-01-15 21:07, Stonewall Patton wrote:
...
Actually, we better consult with Robert on this. By his classification, would an INFP fall under nerd or geek? He only covered us NTs earlier.

Even though INTPs dominate the geek community, INFPs are also usually very popular in it. INFPs can be considered a geek also, but it would probably come down to how far to the left of T/F center you are. As for INFJs, they can fall under the Nerd category, but the same above applies.

Where do INTJs usually fall, Robert? Just curious :smile:

INTJs dominate the "nerd" category.

On 2002-01-15 21:48, Stonewall Patton wrote:

On 2002-01-15 21:44, Justin'79 wrote:

You lost me.
Dont worry Stonewall, Ill break out some Wild Turkey.

Did I lose you with my cough drop reference or did Robert lose you with the nerd/geek analysis? If it's the cough drops, that is another interesting generational thing -- and you are supposed to be my generation!

I believe that Mr. Patton refers to Smith Brothers Cough Drops. You know, the package of which features those charismatic, famous Transcendentals "Trade" and "Mark"? My favorite were the licorice flavor drops -- practically indispensable during those cold, New Jersey winters back in the 60s and 70s. I haven't seen them in awhile-- are they still in business?

I was a triaminic kid, but it was all the INPFJ stuff that was getting to me.

On 2002-01-15 22:02, Kevin Parker '59 wrote:

I believe that Mr. Patton refers to Smith Brothers Cough Drops.

Thanks! I drew an absolute blank on the name.

My favorite were the licorice flavor drops -- practically indispensable during those cold, New Jersey winters back in the 60s and 70s.

Exactly right! That was the best part of being home sick from school (besides just being home from school :lol. Mom would buy those licorice flavor cough drops for you and you'd pop them while watching the Price Is Right or something. Of course there was Luden's wild cherry pseudo-Lifesavers. But you had to be sure and let mom know you wanted the ones with the two guys with beards on the box.

I haven't seen them in awhile-- are they still in business?

I don't know but I'm sure curious now.

Hey, Robert, what exactly is the difference between a geek and a nerd? My guess is a geek is more artsy-fartsy than a nerd and less given to wearing plastic pocket protectors. Maybe they're just a tad more sociable (talkative) too, and are given to eccentric taste in clothing. Is this about right?

i rarely use either of those words. never geek.

I always think that "geeks" are a little more socially clueless than "nerds." Maybe because of that wonderfully silly movie "Revenge of the Nerds."

BTW, how do ISTJ's fit into the geek/nerd mixture? I've always thought of myself as a nerd. In junior high I was known as the "walking encyclopedia."

Kiff '61

An ISTJ would definitely fit under the nerd category.

The differences between the geek and nerd are kinda subtle. Correct me if I'm wrong, and add to it whatever you want.

Nerds tend to work very hard in school, getting good grades (INTJs, hands down, do the best in school), obeying the teacher, etc. Nerds make good researchers. Nerds highly value knowledge, but they like to use knowledge for more practical purposes. Nerds are aware of their surroundings. Ideologically, nerds tend to be more tranquil, and more cool headed, although many are conservatives, and many are liberal. To a nerd, what they like is more based on utilitarian value. This means that they are bound to like both Star Trek and Star Wars and Babylon 5, and also to use both Windows and Linux based upon what they can do when they want to do it. Nerds believe in practicality.

Geeks, OTOH, do not work as hard as geeks in school, and don't get the very best grades. Think of this type as being a hacker type. Geeks are much less conforming, and may even love being eccentric. For a geek, knowledge is an end in itself. Geeks attain knowledge just for the sake of it. Geeks usually do not give a crap about practicality. Geeks can be very unaware of their surroundings, seeming like their mind is somewhere in space. Ideologically, geeks tend to be more radical. Many geeks can be fanatics. While geeks also like things based upon utilitarian value, geeks are also attracted to philosophy and ideology, and more prone to choose preferences based on dogma. Imagine the Star Trek geek who loves to hate Star Wars. Imagine the severe "holy war" between EMACS and VI (both are UNIX text editors) that has been raging for more than 15 years. Geeks? You betcha. Geeks believe in principle.

Perhaps, one can use stereotypes to explain. When you think nerd, think of the 1950s. Think about white coated scientists making incremental progress in research. When you think geek, think of the 1990s. Think about Linux hackers who have declared a total jihad against Microsoft.

Okay, based on your descriptions, Robert, I'm a nerd, not a geek. I'm too conventional in many ways to be a geek.

Kiff '61

On 2002-01-16 11:31, Kiff '61 wrote:

I always think that "geeks" are a little more socially clueless than "nerds." Maybe because of that wonderfully silly movie "Revenge of the Nerds."

Kiff, this was addressed in some detail beginning with Neisha's questioning post at the top of this page (and I imagine that the discussion drags on over a few subsequent pages):

http://www.fourthturning.com/forums/...rum=6&start=60

I just thought computers were sexier than they seem in their antiseptic plastic. They seem to facilitate alot of freudian slips.
Maybe Im just a pervert.
Whats the type for that?

On 2002-01-16 12:23, Justin'79 wrote:

Maybe Im just a pervert.
Whats the type for that?

Male, as opposed to female.


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On 2002-01-16 12:19, Stonewall Patton wrote:

On 2002-01-16 11:31, Kiff '61 wrote:

I always think that "geeks" are a little more socially clueless than "nerds." Maybe because of that wonderfully silly movie "Revenge of the Nerds."

Kiff, this was addressed in some detail beginning with Neisha's questioning post at the top of this page (and I imagine that the discussion drags on over a few subsequent pages):

http://www.fourthturning.com/forums/...rum=6&start=60

Yeah, I read those posts over again, and it's pretty clear to me that I'm a nerd, at least in how it's being defined here.

As I've said before, I score pretty consistently as an ISTJ. But I sense that there is war going on between Se and Ne. I have periods when I can be very creative; periods when I'll allow myself to open up that intuitive side. But, in day-to-day living, I usually default to Se.

Kiff '61

On 2002-01-16 12:47, Kiff '61 wrote:

As I've said before, I score pretty consistently as an ISTJ. But I sense that there is war going on between Se and Ne. I have periods when I can be very creative; periods when I'll allow myself to open up that intuitive side. But, in day-to-day living, I usually default to Se.

Kiff '61

Kiff, it would be interesting to figure out what is going on there and what trade-offs your brain is making. But one thing: as an ISTJ, the Ne/Se deal would not really apply to you. Here is your ISTJ ordering of functions:

Si|
__|Te
Fi|
__|Ne

Your dominant function is apparently Si (introverted sensing) and I'll bet Robert could better explain what it does. You do have Se to some extent as we all do. But you may not use yours any more than we INTPs do, I do not know.

But you do have Ne as a fourth function and yours supposedly works in tandem with Fi. In other words, there is something of a weak INFP within you. However it works subconsciously and I am not sure that it is ever recognizable specifically as INFP.


Let's hear Robert's ideas.

Okay, Robert, based on your definition of geek vs nerd, I am definitely a geek.

I'm no hacker, but here are some things about me that are very geek-like.

I was a good student, but not a straight-A student. Not that I couldn't do the work; I worked hard at the things that interesed me, but was a total slacker in other subjects that bored me. Overall, I was probably a B+ student or maybe an A-

I am not very practical. Some people think I am (like my impractical Type 7 hubby), but I don't think so. I'm too much of a romantic dreamer type for that.

Mundane everyday stuff like paying bills and keeping track of the time bore me and frustrate me.

I wear eccentric things like an old 1950s men's car coat with a houndstooth pattern and a blue satin lining. This is my winter coat down here in Dixie. It's my favorite item of clothing (except my jeans). It belonged to my father.

People think I'm intelligent but a little scatterbrained and nebulous. Sort of like Diane Keaton's character in "Annie Hall." Some people have said I look like her too.

I was never, ever popular, but I didn't really fit in with the nerds either. I was simply too eccentric for them and didn't play by the rules enough.

I have strange friends. I have always had strange friends.

I'm interested in subjects that most people find weird or boring (except the people here)

Susan, I'm going to take your post and run with it, kind of as a compare/contrast between nerds and geeks.

On 2002-01-16 16:22, Susan Brombacher wrote:
Okay, Robert, based on your definition of geek vs nerd, I am definitely a geek.

I'm no hacker, but here are some things about me that are very geek-like.

I was a good student, but not a straight-A student. Not that I couldn't do the work; I worked hard at the things that interesed me, but was a total slacker in other subjects that bored me. Overall, I was probably a B+ student or maybe an A-

I was a straight A student all the way through high school; I worked hard in every subject, and enjoyed pretty much everything I was taught, including physics and trigonometry.

Once I got to college, it was quite a different story. In my first semester, I thought I was working hard, but my grades didn't reflect it. But after that I was able to improve my performance, and still have time for all the fun stuff one is supposed to do in college.

I am not very practical. Some people think I am (like my impractical Type 7 hubby), but I don't think so. I'm too much of a romantic dreamer type for that.

Mundane everyday stuff like paying bills and keeping track of the time bore me and frustrate me.

I am practical to an extreme. I pay the bills and balance the checkbooks; I make the doctor's and dentist's appointments; I take the cars in for their oil changes; I tell hubby he can't afford a new computer right now. :smile: Hey, someone's got to do it, and I don't mind. I get a feeling of accomplishment when it's all done.

I wear eccentric things like an old 1950s men's car coat with a houndstooth pattern and a blue satin lining. This is my winter coat down here in Dixie. It's my favorite item of clothing (except my jeans). It belonged to my father.

Wow, that is cool. I'm a jeans and sweats kind of person myself. My winter jacket is about ten years old, maybe about a size too small, with ripped pockets. But I love the color, and I won't spend money on a replacement right now.

People think I'm intelligent but a little scatterbrained and nebulous. Sort of like Diane Keaton's character in "Annie Hall." Some people have said I look like her too.

People are always commenting to me on how organized I am. I like neatness and order.

I was never, ever popular, but I didn't really fit in with the nerds either. I was simply too eccentric for them and didn't play by the rules enough.

I wasn't popular either. I had some nerdy friends, some jock friends (I was on the swim team one year), and some music friends (I was a cellist in the high school orchestra).

I have strange friends. I have always had strange friends.

I'm interested in subjects that most people find weird or boring (except the people here)

I'm interested in a wide variety of subjects but not really an expert in anything. I guess that's why I ended up as a librarian. :smile:

Kiff '61

I think I am a geek who morphed into a nerd!

In high school, I wore wild stuff (this was the early seventies) -- leotards and long Indian skirts, with long dangly earings to offset my long hair.

I was a B+ type of student -- never organized enough to get A's in math, although I have a quantitative mind.

I was into art and "new age" spirituality before "new age" went mainstream.

When I returned back to school in the eighties, I astonished myself by getting straight A's, with a rare B thrown in.

My clothing is much more conventional -- wool slacks and soft turtleneck sweaters for work; corderoys and turtlenecks or chenille sweaters on the weekends.

I pay my bills, raise my child, work in a policy analysis wonk job for the Federal Government. My ex once wrote to his friend that he started dating a pretty "nerdette" (me).

I still have crazy friends, and I express my creative side by singing soprano in the choir and screaming like a friggin groupie when my teacher Maharaji comes to town. I need Maharaji to keep me from ossifying too much into ISTJdom!

This INTP usually gets As, except for subjective fields, where one teacher's A is another one's C.

I favor jeans and T-shirts and a fedora (if it's cool outside). When I must look good, I wear a dark blue three-button suit with a corresponding dark tie and a fedora (always wear the hat with the suit).

Most of my friends are of the techie/geek/freak crowd, though harmless. My best friends, though, are an INTJ (Boomer), ESFP (Xer), ENFJ (Boomer), and a ISTJ (Silent) respectively. I have no Millennial realtime friends, as I find most to be, uh, lacking in the, uh, critical thinking field. They quite literally take everything at face value. I communicate best with them, though.