wow, you wear a fedora ? That's pretty cool.

I think one reason why you find Millennials lack critical thinking skills is because they are still so young. Critical thinking skills come, in part, with maturity and experience.

It would be the Millies with superior intelligence such as yourself and Robert Reed who have good critical thinking skills, but most people your age still don't. Give them time.

Actually, what you might find Millies lack is not critical thinking skills anyway, but a sense of individualism and even eccentricity. I mean, if wearing a fedora all the time isn't eccentric, I don't know what is. No offense, but Millennials as a group sometimes seem like a bunch of sheep.

INTPs use Si as their third function, while ISTJs use it as their dominant function. Trying to conceptualize Si is a little difficult, but at least not as difficult as Ni.

While Se is objective, Si is subjective. With Se, the object of attention is an end in itself. Si, however, deals with how you senses relate what you see to your life experiences.

Si is the opposite of Ne. While Ne is always looking at future possibilities, Si tends to be locked in the past. As a result, Si is very traditional. So, when you touch a Nintendo, and get memories of playing Super Mario Bros., that is Introverted Sensing. Si also senses the atmosphere of a place.

On 2002-01-16 19:20, madscientist wrote:
INTPs use Si as their third function, while ISTJs use it as their dominant function. Trying to conceptualize Si is a little difficult, but at least not as difficult as Ni.

While Se is objective, Si is subjective. With Se, the object of attention is an end in itself. Si, however, deals with how you senses relate what you see to your life experiences.

Si is the opposite of Ne. While Ne is always looking at future possibilities, Si tends to be locked in the past. As a result, Si is very traditional. So, when you touch a Nintendo, and get memories of playing Super Mario Bros., that is Introverted Sensing. Si also senses the atmosphere of a place.

That so accurately describes me that it's frightening. I do have a great feel for places and the memories that they stimulate. When I enter a room or a building that's new to me, it doesn't take long at all for me to feel that I know the place. I shape the input of my senses into something that feels to me like "home."

I touch a wall of painted concrete blocks (preferably institutional yellow), and I'm back in my dorm room at college. I touch brick, and I'm a teenager in my room at home. Red plush curtains and red carpet bring me back to one of my first memories, that of getting lost in a theater as a scared three-year-old.

Wow. Fascinating. There is something to this.

One thing, though. It was Missile Command, Asteroids, Centipedes, Galaga, Tempest, and Pac-Man for this Atari-waver. :smile:

Kiff '61

On 2002-01-16 19:42, Kiff '61 wrote:

I touch a wall of painted concrete blocks (preferably institutional yellow), and I'm back in my dorm room at college. I touch brick, and I'm a teenager in my room at home. Red plush curtains and red carpet bring me back to one of my first memories, that of getting lost in a theater as a scared three-year-old.

Wow. Fascinating. There is something to this.


Kiff '61

Have you ever tried Madeleines. I made a pile one freezing winter and read Remembrance of Things Past for a week, while the wind howled and the thermometer stayed at minus 40.

Now, I get cold when I bite into one with my afternoon tea.

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On 2002-01-16 19:42, Kiff '61 wrote:

That so accurately describes me that it's frightening.

Imagine my reaction when I read the description of the INTP (which is 1% of the population). I was just amazed that someone actually understood me. Then I read this description (http://www.intp.org/intprofile.html) and was even more baffled. I was just so exuberant, I wrote to the writer of it, telling him how much insight he has, and how it really seemed like he wrote it with me in mind.

Thinking about Si just gave me much more insight into the way an SJ's mind works, and how my Ti and Si work together.

One thing, though. It was Missile Command, Asteroids, Centipedes, Galaga, Tempest, and Pac-Man for this Atari-waver. :smile:

I remember playing some of those games. While the NES does have many memories, nothing compares to my memory of the SNES-Genesis era, which was a very personal time for me in gaming. The quality of games were much better during that time.


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On 2002-01-16 20:02, Virgil K. Saari wrote:
Have you ever tried Madeleines. I made a pile one freezing winter and read Remembrance of Things Past for a week, while the wind howled and the thermometer stayed at minus 40.

Now, I get cold when I bite into one with my afternoon tea.

For some reason, I really like cold weather and snow. I'm betting that my Si has a lot to do with it. Probably because I first saw snow when I was 3, when my family moved back to St. Louis from Las Vegas. I still remember seeing my first snowfall, and playing in it.

Here is another Jung function page: http://www.mdani.demon.co.uk/wword/types.htm

On 2002-01-16 12:23, Justin'79 wrote:
I just thought computers were sexier than they seem in their antiseptic plastic. They seem to facilitate alot of freudian slips.
Maybe Im just a pervert.
Whats the type for that?

The type analysis of an INFP is Fi Ne Si Te. Stonewall, would you care to do the honors of taking a stab at this? :smile:

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On 2002-01-16 20:39, madscientist wrote:

On 2002-01-16 12:23, Justin'79 wrote:

I just thought computers were sexier than they seem in their antiseptic plastic. They seem to facilitate alot of freudian slips.
Maybe Im just a pervert.
Whats the type for that?

The type analysis of an INFP is Fi Ne Si Te. Stonewall, would you care to do the honors of taking a stab at this? :smile:

Robert, I think you or perhaps Susan could do a better job. I'm going to refresh on all this Jungian business but have not gotten a chance yet. Go ahead and give it a try and I will add in anything I can from memory which may apply.

On 2002-01-16 21:56, Stonewall Patton wrote:

On 2002-01-16 20:39, madscientist wrote:

On 2002-01-16 12:23, Justin'79 wrote:

I just thought computers were sexier than they seem in their antiseptic plastic. They seem to facilitate alot of freudian slips.
Maybe Im just a pervert.
Whats the type for that?

The type analysis of an INFP is Fi Ne Si Te. Stonewall, would you care to do the honors of taking a stab at this? :smile:

Robert, I think you or perhaps Susan could do a better job. I'm going to refresh on all this Jungian business but have not gotten a chance yet. Go ahead and give it a try and I will add in anything I can from memory which may apply.

I'm not all too familiar with the Jungian terms, so I will leave the deciphering to Robert or others, but Justin's an INFP which means he often speaks in metaphors and can be poetic. I do it sometimes, and so does Dave '71 (who unfortunately does not often post on this thread). I am not sure if Tim Walker does or not, but he's INFJ--I'm not sure if this makes a difference.

I *think* I know what Justin's getting at but I don't want to speak for him. I'll post more later but unfortuntely I have to go to my INFP-unfriendly job. Blech. See y'all later.

I've already posted about the "ugly computer," but I would point out that other materials could be used for the outer casing. If wood were used it should be possible to make a computer that is organic and sexy.

On 2002-01-16 20:02, Virgil K. Saari wrote:

On 2002-01-16 19:42, Kiff '61 wrote:

I touch a wall of painted concrete blocks (preferably institutional yellow), and I'm back in my dorm room at college. I touch brick, and I'm a teenager in my room at home. Red plush curtains and red carpet bring me back to one of my first memories, that of getting lost in a theater as a scared three-year-old.

Wow. Fascinating. There is something to this.


Kiff '61

Have you ever tried Madeleines. I made a pile one freezing winter and read Remembrance of Things Past for a week, while the wind howled and the thermometer stayed at minus 40.

Now, I get cold when I bite into one with my afternoon tea.

Never had them, but they look yummy! Maybe with a hot Dr. Pepper.

Kiff '61

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On 2002-01-17 06:02, Tim Walker wrote:
I've already posted about the "ugly computer," but I would point out that other materials could be used for the outer casing. If wood were used it should be possible to make a computer that is organic and sexy.


And if out of galvanized steel cold and heartless!

Susan, I'm sorry to read that you have an INFJ-unfriendly job.

Oh, dear. I mentioned our geek/nerd discussion to my husband last night, and he told me something I had to follow up on.

From the online Merriam-Webster:

Main Entry: geek
Pronunciation: 'gEk
Function: noun
Etymology: probably from English dialect geek, geck fool, from Low German geck, from Middle Low German
Date: 1914
1 : a carnival performer often billed as a wild man whose act usually includes biting the head off a live chicken or snake
2 : a person often of an intellectual bent who is disapproved of
- geeky /'gE-kE/ adjective

Oh, the things you learn in the dictionary!

Kiff '61

On 2002-01-17 05:12, Susan Brombacher wrote:

I'm not all too familiar with the Jungian terms, so I will leave the deciphering to Robert or others, but Justin's an INFP which means he often speaks in metaphors and can be poetic. I do it sometimes, and so does Dave '71 (who unfortunately does not often post on this thread). I am not sure if Tim Walker does or not, but he's INFJ--I'm not sure if this makes a difference.

I *think* I know what Justin's getting at but I don't want to speak for him. I'll post more later but unfortuntely I have to go to my INFP-unfriendly job. Blech. See y'all later.

I'll go ahead and try to add what I can to Justin's INFP description. This is the ordering of functions with their attitudes:

Fi|
__|Ne
Si|
__|Te

Here you can separate your external face from your internal face. On the outside, your secondary function, Ne, is prominent. This means that you will probably appear somewhat detached to others. You also extravert Te, albeit weakly, but this will tend to make you more "stone-faced" than smiling generally.

At first sight, you probably appear a bit detached and possibly even unfriendly. However people are probably genuinely shocked to learn that you are truly not like this. Your dominant function, which remains hidden, is Fi and I believe this means that you are in fact very warm. "Don't judge a book by its cover" perhaps applies to your type more than any other. You also use Si internally which means that you probably are very much in touch with your past and memories and of course you regularly display this with your posts here recounting 3T culture.

What I cannot remember is what exactly Fi does and how it works. But I believe you judge the world according to your own standards and your standards reflect how you feel about things. This differs from an INTP who is always looking for an axiom and a universal truth and judges things according to their logical consistency, irrespective of personal feelings. But how does your Fi arrive at what it thinks is right and wrong, good and bad? I imagine it is more than that you simply do not like something. Fi is probably in touch with something unconscious and eternal but I cannot remember for sure.

In the end, you probably hold a view of how mankind can be bettered on a personal human level. Contrast this with an INTP who holds a view of how mankind can be bettered through structures, institutions, etc. The INTP and INFP can arrive at the same place from different directions as Jon Carson, INFP, and I, INTP, have both arrived at libertarianism, for example. However, if I am not mistaken, you have arrived at more leftist anarchism. You seem to be akin to Hemingway and the various Lost cohorts who fought in the Spanish Civil War for the anarchists and against the fascists. In general, I would tend to think that INFPs are resistant to any kind of coercive control and seek improvement for mankind which is broad-based and all-inclusive. In other words, Jon Carson may be a libertarian because he believes it will benefit the whole of mankind collectively. However, he may well be just as much of an individualist as I am as an INTP and accepting of inevitable inequalities in a free society, I really do not know.

That is all I can think of for now with respect to INFP.

what the hell is an INFP?
and who said i was one?

holy shit!!!
Neil Diamond, Fred savage, and Bastain from Neverending story are INFPs?
I definitely want to be in that crew!
("Turn on your heartlight!")

On 2002-01-17 15:37, Justin'79 wrote:

what the hell is an INFP?
and who said i was one?

Hahahahahah! You've gotta be kidding me! Everybody has been saying that you are one. I thought you were one.

I'm bowing out and letting Robert deal with this! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hmm I cant figure out if Im an extrovert or not. I like to talk in class, because it annoys me that people are afraid to talk.
But I am usually very quiet in social gatherings, except with close friends. I find I dont have much to say to people that they want to hear about.
I also am very creative and imaginative about things, but often Id like it if more people would just cut the crap and tell me what I need to know...ie on Sept 11, dont tell me "its a day that will live in infamy" tell me who did it and if they are going to do it again.

So Im definitely FP, without a doubt.
Its the E vs I. and N vs S that Im not sure.
E vs I is a tie, and I guess I am definitely N over S.
So its either ENFP or INFP.

On 2002-01-17 15:37, Justin'79 wrote:
what the hell is an INFP?
and who said i was one?

YOU did, silly! A long time ago, you took the MBTI test (that appeared on another thread) and said you scored as INFP. Go back over some of the old threads.

FYI, INFP means Introverted iNtuitive Feeling Perceiving. It's essentially an artistic, sensitive, quiet temperament ("still waters run deep") It's pretty much analogous to the Four Enneagram type. Stonewall's description is accurate for INFP, you can also go and read about yourself on one of the websites that provide a test and descriptions (sorry, I don't have these handy--Stonewall or Robert, can you help?) Or you could take the test again and prove everyone wrong (or right)! :smile:

FWIW, I am also INFP (but I've also scored as INTJ, INFJ, and INTP at various times).

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I posted that before I saw your most recent post, Justin. Well, anyway, it doesn't matter. Anyway, 'd say you're probably I as opposed to E, since you say you prefer to socialize with close friends. Introverts are not necessarily asocial or lack friends, they just choose carefully and don't care for loud, boisterous parties and socializing much with people they don't know.

On 2002-01-17 05:12, Susan Brombacher wrote:
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I'm not all too familiar with the Jungian terms, so I will leave the deciphering to Robert or others, but Justin's an INFP which means he often speaks in metaphors and can be poetic. I do it sometimes, and so does Dave '71 (who unfortunately does not often post on this thread). I am not sure if Tim Walker does or not, but he's INFJ--I'm not sure if this makes a difference.

I *think* I know what Justin's getting at but I don't want to speak for him. I'll post more later but unfortuntely I have to go to my INFP-unfriendly job. Blech. See y'all later.

Please explain your interpretation. It will be greatly helpful. Unfortunately, I don't quite have a grasp on Fi.

On 2002-01-17 06:02, Tim Walker wrote:
I've already posted about the "ugly computer," but I would point out that other materials could be used for the outer casing. If wood were used it should be possible to make a computer that is organic and sexy.

A wooden computer!? Wow, you old people really care what your computer looks like. I happen to like the stale and bland looking metal cases. I basically like computers that are easy to take apart and upgrade. I don't think that I could get used to a wooden-cased computer. :razz: . Besides, a wooden computer would look...old. It would look too traditional. I would rather have my computer case be made of carbon nanotubes. I just like things that look very futuristic. As for wooden computers, you might as well cover it with dirt.

For instance, here is farming of the future (on a proposed future space station). The wheel station will rotate to produce artificial gravity. As for an office, here is one design. This is my style.