On 2002-01-21 03:36, Stonewall Patton wrote:
Justin:

I don't know what you are confused about. Your cynicism consistently comes through loud and clear. You could be the poster child for what S&H define as an Xer.

Hmmm, I'm not sure about that, Stonewall. A stereotypical Xer wouldn't even care what gen he was in, wouldn't be confused or anything. For some reason Justin sometimes seems more like a late-wave Silent to me. I know what you mean about the cynicism though.
Justin, what do you think?


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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Susan Brombacher on 2002-01-21 05:55 ]</font>

On 2002-01-21 05:39, Susan Brombacher wrote:

Hmmm, I'm not sure about that, Stonewall. A stereotypical Xer wouldn't even care what gen he was in, wouldn't be confused or anything. For some reason Justin sometimes seems more like a late-wave Silent to me. I know what you mean about the cynicism though.
Justin, what do you think?

Susan, I think his confusion stems from the same source as yours: he is near the cusp.

I don't think any Xer really cares what generation he is in. An early Xer knows no more than that he is not a Boomer. Similarly, I am guessing that a late Xer will probably know no more than that he is not a Hero, but this clear line of distinction probably has not had sufficient time to define itself yet. GenX's existence is not obvious to any of us in the absence of our relative differences with those who came before us and those who came after us. We are just a loose bunch of individuals with no sense of community and no sense of generational kinship anywhere near the level of Boomers. The only thing that unites us is our shared cynicism about the utopian dreams of the Boomers before us. Justin definitely has this. His membership in GenX should become clearer to him as Heroes define themselves in the near future. Then again, if we have another anomaly, he would be distinguishing himself from Adaptives while acting as a Hero. And this would lead to obvious confusion.

I just get mad when marketers try to pin shit on me, be it gen X or Millennial. I mean both terms are so outdated.
1. Im too young to be REAL gen X
2. Im too old to be "millennial"
Its just retarded.
I think If I had any say that of course Id choose to be in a group of which nothing is expected, rather than one that the press will have a boner for, and SnH already have two boners for.
Just leave me alone, and trying to make stuff out of things that are so random as birthdates.
I hear people say all the time that "gen x ended in 75"
or like these ridiculous things they read in the papers. It only makes me sad in that socially they want to rip me apart from my brother and create this bullshit divide between my family and friends.
So honestly the final message is SCREW the MEDIA, they will ALWAYS get it wrong.
Wanna write about something?
Tell me the next time a few guys are going to hijack some airplanes so ill know where NOT to be, and secondly, go write about all the homeless people that keep threatening me on the streets, homelessness like this ISNT normal...America has a major malfunction..
OK
Bye

Them and their "special human interest" stories.
Bite me.

Ive decidede that you can just say im in the "Fame" generation because I can remember when "Fame" the TV show was on.
Hmm. Maybe Ill write an op-ed piece for the local paper.

On 2002-01-21 09:27, Justin'79 wrote:

I just get mad when marketers try to pin shit on me, be it gen X or Millennial. I mean both terms are so outdated.
1. Im too young to be REAL gen X
2. Im too old to be "millennial"

I agree with you. Screw the marketers. Would you prefer to use S&H's "13er" and drop "GenX"?

I think If I had any say that of course Id choose to be in a group of which nothing is expected,

Ah, but you are, you are! Welcome to the 13th Generation.

rather than one that the press will have a boner for, and SnH already have two boners for.

OK, Anthony's earlier post was semi-emetic. Your comment here is full blown emetic.

Just leave me alone,

Yep, you're a 13er. That comment there is etched in our souls along with "live free or die" and "give me liberty or give me death" and "don't tread on me."

I hear people say all the time that "gen x ended in 75"

Those are marketers selling junk made in China. Ignore the con men and concentrate on the historical cycle.

It only makes me sad in that socially they want to rip me apart from my brother and create this bullshit divide between my family and friends.

Ignore them! Why do you even pay attention?

So honestly the final message is SCREW the MEDIA, they will ALWAYS get it wrong.

Yep, you're a 13er.

Wanna write about something?
Tell me the next time a few guys are going to hijack some airplanes so ill know where NOT to be, and secondly, go write about all the homeless people that keep threatening me on the streets, homelessness like this ISNT normal...America has a major malfunction..
OK
Bye

Yes, indeed it does. And that is a very 13er diagnosis. A Boomer would have been sure to blame it on one side of the political aisle or the other. A Hero probably would have been waiting for somebody to point the problem out to him. You noted the problem and called it like it is. That is reality. That is truth. You are a no BS; I-can-see-right-through-you-AH, let's-cut-to-the-chase, quit-talking-about-it-and-do-something-about-it Nomad.

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Function: noun
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Date: 1657
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NICE VOCAB.

Youre right about what a "Boomer" would say about homelessness.
Sample conversation between me and my mom:

79Son:Theres like homeless people everywhere, and its really screwed up...

47Mom:Oh you put those people in any society and theyd be the same way...DC needs someone like Giuliani to clean that up...

79Son:But i get the feeling like they are in prison of a different kind,that they cant get out of..

47 Mom:Most of them are mentally ill

79Son:Wouldnt you be mentally ill if you were homeless, and how come theyre all black mom?

47 Mom: the truth is that most of those people used to be in mental institutions, but then Reagan came along and they all got put out on the street...But hey why dont you do something about it...

79Son: Ehhhhh.....

On 2002-01-20 13:01, Jenny Genser wrote:
Back to topic. There has been a lot of discussion about whether the last Awakening started on 11/22/63, as S&H state, or somewhat later (1967-1968 have been posited).

I'm not going to give any opinions here, but for an interested picture of the tail end of the last high, try watching "Bye Bye Birdie". Its clearly pointing to the Awakening themes. It is about teenager girls who are crazy about an Elvis-type pop star called "Conrad Birdie" who has been drafted into the Army. He picks a lucky sixteen-year-old girl from Ohio to be the recipient of the last kiss before he goes on duty.

The generations are fun. The teens are early-wave boomers (1963-16=1947). The Dad is a crotchety GI who locks horns with his Birdie-crazed daughter; the Silent mother tries to smooth things over. Its a real hoot!

:lol:

The ge

"Bye Bye Birdie" has great meaning to me on a personal level. My dad worked on a production of that play back in 1964 and used to take me down to the theater with him during rehearsals. One of my very earliest memories is getting lost in all the red carpet and velvet, and panicking briefly until someone found me and brought me back to my dad.

I love the play. I have all the song lyrics memorized. The movie is fun, but every time I watch it, it feels too long and dragged out.

I think all of us first-wave Xers feel the echoes of the High during our childhood. For me, it was listening to my parents' Frank Sinatra and Nat King Cole records.

Kiff '61

On 2002-01-21 11:10, Stonewall Patton wrote:

On 2002-01-21 09:27, Justin'79 wrote:

I just get mad when marketers try to pin shit on me, be it gen X or Millennial. I mean both terms are so outdated.
1. Im too young to be REAL gen X
2. Im too old to be "millennial"

I agree with you. Screw the marketers. Would you prefer to use S&H's "13er" and drop "GenX"?

I prefer "Generation X" myself. "13th Generation" is too generic; like we don't even rate a name.

Kiff '61

On 2002-01-21 13:12, Kiff '61 wrote:
"13th Generation" is too generic; like we don't even rate a name.

BOOMER-x-MILLENNIAL

On 2002-01-21 14:15, Virgil K. Saari wrote:

On 2002-01-21 13:12, Kiff '61 wrote:
"13th Generation" is too generic; like we don't even rate a name.

BOOMER-x-MILLENNIAL

I see what you mean, Virgil, but I still don't like being called by a number. I'll stick with Douglas Coupland's moniker.

Even S&H bowed to the common usage in Millennials Rising.

Kiff '61

I prefer Generation X to 13th Generation also. It just rolls off the tongue better.

It's not a great name but no one has thought of anything better that has stuck (Baby busters was already tried and failed), besides it's still better than "Gen-Y" for Xer/Millie cusps, which is just out-and-out boring. What will the New Artists be--Generation Z? (unless they're a dull, somnabulant generation, it's just stupid). The New Prophets? Generation A? I mean, please. We're not talking alphabet soup here.

Gen X is good because it sums up the way Xer have been made to feel about themselves as a generation and how they are regarded by society. When you get rid of something, you "X" it out. Skulls and crossbones. Brand X. X-rated. Xtreme anything. Rid-X. TerminX. Generic and edgy sounding at the same time. What does "Generation Y" have to offer? (the name, not the people!)

Now Generation Jones--that is a GREAT name. We Boomer-Xer cuspcases may have waited forever to finally get our rightful name, but it was worth waiting for. That's why it's caught on so well.

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Generation Y is what late wave Xers call themselves when they look in the mirror and dont see what the magazines tell them. It is completely ignorant of what generations are about.
Im glad SnH defined them.
The length of time it takes from birth to maturity, for one group to start replacing another.
I have always known this. common location and history. Everyone in my generation had a similar childhood experience...
This is the only thing that links us together. Events will never tie us together. We will only be saved by 321 contact and Captain Kangaroo. :smile:

I would guess that "joneser" is a similar construct.
Late wave Boomers looking in the mirror and not seeing Abbie Hoffman (you know what i mean) or Meathead from all in the family.
Ignorant of location, fluidity of time, that reaching your early 20s is "coming of age."
I knew what drugs and sex were by the time I was 5. My friends were smoking pot by the time I was 11 or so.
I find it a little odd that the first ten years of someones life can be shrugged off, or that "youth" can extend to age 24 or 25.
Many people are married by that time.

Hey all you daily posters. Here, I log off early on Friday (I'm on Pacific time) and play all weekend. I come back this morning to find that Stonewall has called me a J! I am deeply offended! :wink: Actually, my objection was not to the body hair conversation, which was entertaining, but to the sexist "cat" comment. And, after all, one cheap shot deserves another!

Justin, there is no confusion. You are an Xer.

On 2002-01-22 11:18, Neisha '67 wrote:
Justin, there is no confusion. You are an Xer.

But first and foremost, you are Justin. :smile:

Neisha, he called you a J? No way! Unless he meant that you're neat and orderly.
When did he call you that? what thread?

Justin is definitely an Xer, but he's not an S&H "poster child." Hey, if we had poster children for the generations here, who would get picked for each one? Who LEAST fits their generation? I think that would be hard. Anyone want to give it a try?

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Susan Brombacher on 2002-01-22 16:19 ]</font>

On this very thread! It's OK, I actually am relatively tidy. But this is the first time in my life anyone has ever thought I was being uptight! :lol:

Susan, you're not talking about "poster children" on this forum, are you? :lol:

Anyway, here are a few nominees:

GI: Bob Dole
Silent: Colin Powell
Boomer: Bill Clinton
Xer: Brad Pitt
Millennial: Britney Spears

Don't ask me to explain those last two. I just went with the first person that came into my head.

Kiff '61

On 2002-01-22 11:18, Neisha '67 wrote:

I come back this morning to find that Stonewall has called me a J! I am deeply offended! :wink:

Now, now, Js are good people. You just have to watch what you say around them, that's all. :wink:

Actually, my objection was not to the body hair conversation, which was entertaining, but to the sexist "cat" comment.

Now, Neisha, you have to admit, you gave me the perfect set up. I wasn't even thinking of going there, but you took us there. :lol:

And, after all, one cheap shot deserves another.

Men are canine and women are feline, and dogs and cats make the world go 'round. Woof! Woof!

:lol:

Now that *was* funny!

Wait, so men are dogs?

On 2002-01-22 16:02, Susan Brombacher wrote:

Justin is definitely an Xer, but he's not an S&H "poster child."

That is an interesting question. What would you say are the dominant traits of S&H's Xer/13er?

On 2002-01-22 17:01, Neisha '67 wrote:
:lol:

Now that *was* funny!

Wait, so men are dogs?

Woof! Woof! Think Al Bundy. If the price of feminism is that all women become indistinguishable from Al Bundy, then this old dog needs to find a new planet full of cats.

On 2002-01-22 17:08, Stonewall Patton wrote:

On 2002-01-22 17:01, Neisha '67 wrote:
:lol:

Now that *was* funny!

Wait, so men are dogs?

Woof! Woof! Think Al Bundy. If the price of feminism is that all women become indistinguishable from Al Bundy, then this old dog needs to find a new planet full of cats.

Does that mean that some of us can occasionally be indistinguishable from Al Bundy?

I mean, I have been known to occasionally drink beer, cuss and watch football, after all....:smile:

Kiff '61

Ok.
GIaccording to SnH)
Early:Strom Thurmond (1902)LBJ (1908)
Middle:John F Kennedy (1917), Richard Milhous Nixon (1913)
Late:Bob Dole (1922) Jesse Helms (1920)
FICTIONAL:Grandpa Jock Ewing

Silentaccording to SnH)
Early: Lenny Bruce (1926)Marilyn Monroe (1926)
Middle: Ralph Nader (1934) Woody allen (1935)
Late: Dick Cheney (1941) Anne margaret (1941)
FICTIONAL: JR Ewing

Boom: (according to SnH)
Early:Bill Bradley (1943) Michael Douglas(1945)Goldie Hawn (1946)
Middle: Rush Limbaugh (1951)Kathie Lee Gifford (1953)
Late:Alec Baldwin (1958) Bono (1960)FICTIONAL: Bobby Ewing

Xer: (according to SnH)
Early:Anthony Kiedis (1962) Dana Plato (1964)
Quenton tarentino (1963)
Middle: Wynona Ryder (1971) Beck (1970)
Ricky Schroder (1970) (hahaha)
Late:Fiona Apple (1977) Jesse Camp (1979)


Millie: (according to SnH)
Early:Britney spears (1981)Taylor Hanson (1983)
Middle:Haley Joel Osment (1988)Daniel Radcliffe (1989)
Late:Really Unavailable