A bubbler is a water fountain. I believe the term originated in Milwaukee (my hometown), because of a peculiar, since banned, fountain design used in the 1930's where the water "bubbled" up like a fountain.

On 2002-02-11 14:21, Jenny Genser wrote:

On 2002-02-11 14:16, Kiff '61 wrote:

On 2002-02-11 14:11, Sherry63 wrote:

What do you all call a carbonated beverage & a sandwich of assorted meats on a long roll? :smile:

I call it a soda and a sub.

Kiff '61

Me too. When I lived in Iowa City, Iowa for 2 1/2 years, I had to get used to "pop".

A term used in Maryland and Virginia for license plates is "tags". When I was living in Iowa City and I mentioned that I had to get new "tags", no one knew what I was talking about. :oops:

In Little Egypt, tags are sometimes used for plates, but not often.

Here's a question: in most parts of the country, 'dinner' refers to the evening meal, and 'lunch' to the noon meal. In a few areas, 'dinner' is the noon meal, and 'supper' the evening repast. What areas does this break down across?

(I have reason to believe this difference actually originated in England.)

On 2002-02-11 15:22, Mike Alexander '59 wrote:
A bubbler is a water fountain. I believe the term originated in Milwaukee (my hometown), because of a peculiar, since banned, fountain design used in the 1930's where the water "bubbled" up like a fountain.

Yup. Very much a SE Wisconsin term.

Kiff '61

On 2002-02-11 15:28, HopefulCynic68 wrote:

Here's a question: in most parts of the country, 'dinner' refers to the evening meal, and 'lunch' to the noon meal. In a few areas, 'dinner' is the noon meal, and 'supper' the evening repast. What areas does this break down across?

(I have reason to believe this difference actually originated in England.)

It is dinner and supper in the (rural) South. I am guessing that it is lunch and dinner pretty much everywhere else. But it would be interesting if it is dinner and supper in rural parts of other areas.

I was thinking that this was more of general agrarian origin. Why do you think it is English in origin?

I plan on moving to an area without quakes.

Basically, the fault is in the boothill of Missouri, but because the ground is very solid, the area the quake would hit would be much larger. The four cities mentioned that would be hit hard by a major quake have zero earthquake preparation, so a large quake would be utterly devastating. The quake would hit the hardest in Memphis, the second hardest in STL.

In 1811, three devastating quakes shook this region. In fact, the largest quake in the lower 48 happened in Missouri. Good thing that we don't get large quakes often, though.

Here is the population of the four metro areas:


STL: 2.6 million
Cincinnati: 1.97 million
Nashville: 1.2 million
Memphis: 1.1 million

And of course, there are a lot of people in between. I wouldn't be surprised if the death toll from a 7 or larger quake exceeds one million.

Kiff - I was raised north of Green Bay, and a Bubbler was a water fountain there as well.

On another note, my mother's family is from Pike County, Missouri and half mu family still lives there. It is a three and a half hour drive from where I live now (Davenport, Iowa) and it is like going to another world, which I attribute to the fact that most of the whites in that county came from Kentucky in the 1840s. It is, in language, what I have always referred to as 'Hick". They say cain't, instead of can't, calla tire a tar, and drink sodie pop.

Pax,

Dave Krein '42

On 2002-02-11 15:09, Virgil K. Saari wrote:
Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, and New York are often seen as "Great Lakes States" since the St. Lawrence Seaway was finished. Ohio and Indiana are usually left off the list as is Pennsylvania.

Perhaps not PA and IN, since each of those states has only a very short coastline along Lake Erie. However, Virgil, Ohioans most definitely DO consider theirs a Great Lakes state-- we even have Lake Erie specialty license plates here. Myself, I've never seen a list of Great Lakes States that leaves Ohio out of the mix.

I'm not knowledgeable of states, but I do consider Texas to not be a single unified state-wide culture. I do know some about cities.

San Antonio: hopelessly naive, locals are laid back and short-sighted, but great cooks and lots of fun. Newcomers are jerks.

Dallas: where the newcomers come from. Jerks.

Houston: Won't go there except for University. People live in their cars.

Austin: used to be cheap and fun, now expensive and preppy.

El Paso: where San Antonio was 20 years ago.

Washington DC: georgious buildings and urban layout. People aren't to be messed with, but most leave me alone, unlike nosy people in SATX.

Philadelphia: God...what pissed off these people? Expensive town, too. No way I'm paying $1.25 for a can of coke. Hell, $0.75 is overpriced for a can!

Frankfurt, Germany: busy, workaholic "ich-habe-keine-zeit-fur-kinder" with bland, masculine warddrobes and hair styles.

London: big, complicated...each district is too different

Wiesbaden, Germany: Heaven

Vienna, Austria: 2nd choice for heaven, with some major exceptions. Most beautiful city I have ever been to. Last time I was there, they didn't like Germans too much (for obvious reasons), and my German was of the High variety, so double-slam. Still, the gardens are to die for.

We dine at midday and sup in the evening. We even used to go to supper clubs...now to restaurants for occasions.

On 2002-02-11 18:10, David Krein wrote:
Kiff - I was raised north of Green Bay, and a Bubbler was a water fountain there as well.

Dave Krein '42

No kidding. :smile: Did the folks up there ever use the word "mighty" as an intensifier? As in, "that pizza was mighty good?"

I was told at one time that "mighty" was a Kenosha-ism. :smile:

Kiff '61

On 2002-02-11 15:42, Stonewall Patton wrote:

On 2002-02-11 15:28, HopefulCynic68 wrote:

Here's a question: in most parts of the country, 'dinner' refers to the evening meal, and 'lunch' to the noon meal. In a few areas, 'dinner' is the noon meal, and 'supper' the evening repast. What areas does this break down across?

(I have reason to believe this difference actually originated in England.)

It is dinner and supper in the (rural) South. I am guessing that it is lunch and dinner pretty much everywhere else. But it would be interesting if it is dinner and supper in rural parts of other areas.

I was thinking that this was more of general agrarian origin. Why do you think it is English in origin?

"Dinner" is the main meal. If it is around noon or early afternoon, then the end-of-day repast is called "supper". If the big meal is at the end of the day, the noon-time repast is called "lunch".

I expect the change in time for "dinner" happened as people left the farms and flooded to 9-5 type jobs. But the mid-day "dinner" sometimes hangs on for big holiday feasts like Christmas and Thanksgiving. Usually I pig out so much that I don't even want a "supper" at the end of the day -- I'm happy with an orange or a second piece of pie! :smile:

Watching King of the Hill reminds me too much of people who live in far West Side San Antonio. Clueless in that the world to them exists west of Loop 410 and I-35. "Whuh...there's people living inside Loop 410?"

Kiff - I'll answer you this way. I remember "bubblers" at school (made by Kohler?) where the water sort of bubbled up from a white ceramic egg-like thing in the middle with holes that you had to get your lips mighty close to to get a drink.

This is perhaps more for Dr. Alexander. We spend our summers at our home on Lake Delton (next to the Dells) and our good friends and neighbors say that they are going "by" someone instead of going "to see" someone. They are from South Milwaukee, and I wonder if that is a peculiarity of that part of town, or is more generalized.

Pax,

Dave Krein '42

The use of by is common amongst Milwaukee immigrants, I think it might be related to the German "bei". Another common form of speech are things like "I go by Schusters every Thursday, you know at the corner of 3rd and Center where the streetcar turns the corner around".

On 2002-02-12 17:47, David Krein wrote:
Kiff - I'll answer you this way. I remember "bubblers" at school (made by Kohler?) where the water sort of bubbled up from a white ceramic egg-like thing in the middle with holes that you had to get your lips mighty close to to get a drink.

!!!! We called those bubble fountains! I remember those! Really not hygenic, but in those days, alot wasn't. :lol:

Heres a distinction between Millennials and Xers.
When each group commits a crime they are viewed differently.

Xers are seen as parentless, responsible for their own actions,rootless, shadowy and disgruntled.
See Tim McVeigh, black clad anarchists of Seattle, this kid that just held those people hostage in Connecticut. Dont forget the 23 year old protester that was killed in Genoa last Summer.

Millies are seen as "troubled" and their parents are instead responsible for not watching their children.
See John Walker, all the school shooters primarily Collumbine kids, and that kid that flew a plane into a building.

I have also had the privelage of knowing all parts of this nomad generation, from the early part (62,63 cohorts, who are by far the MOST cynical) to the middle parts (70,71 cohorts who are by far the most BLAH) to the last part (79,80 cohorts who are by far the funniest)
Word.

On 2002-02-12 17:47, David Krein wrote:
Kiff - I'll answer you this way. I remember "bubblers" at school (made by Kohler?) where the water sort of bubbled up from a white ceramic egg-like thing in the middle with holes that you had to get your lips mighty close to to get a drink.

This is perhaps more for Dr. Alexander. We spend our summers at our home on Lake Delton (next to the Dells) and our good friends and neighbors say that they are going "by" someone instead of going "to see" someone. They are from South Milwaukee, and I wonder if that is a peculiarity of that part of town, or is more generalized.

Pax,

Dave Krein '42

Dave, going "by" someone's house was definitely done in Kenosha. I always thought the phrase sounded ignorant, so I never used it, of course. :smile:

Kiff '61

On 2002-02-11 14:28, Kiff '61 wrote:
Anyone here know what a "bubbler" is? :smile:

It's a water fountain, but I forget which area of the country it's from... :smile:

On 2002-02-11 15:42, Stonewall Patton wrote:

On 2002-02-11 15:28, HopefulCynic68 wrote:

Here's a question: in most parts of the country, 'dinner' refers to the evening meal, and 'lunch' to the noon meal. In a few areas, 'dinner' is the noon meal, and 'supper' the evening repast. What areas does this break down across?

(I have reason to believe this difference actually originated in England.)

It is dinner and supper in the (rural) South. I am guessing that it is lunch and dinner pretty much everywhere else. But it would be interesting if it is dinner and supper in rural parts of other areas.

I was thinking that this was more of general agrarian origin. Why do you think it is English in origin?

My husband comes from a dairy farming family in SW PA. Although he now calls the mid-day meal lunch, the evening meal is still supper. His family has all holiday meals mid-day.

On 2002-02-11 14:11, Sherry63 wrote:
I think I mentioned this on another thread, but a very good (although now dated) look at how the North American continent is divided is Joel Garreau's "The Nine Nations of North America." My excerpt is packed w/my undergrad notes, so unfortunately I can't access it for details, but it's a hugely interesting & different perspective on North America. For linguistic differences & dialects, try Bill Bryson's "Made in America" & "The Mother Tongue: English & How It Got That Way," Allan Metcalf's "How We Talk: American Regional English Today," & Jim Crotty(aka The Mad Monk)'s "How to Talk American." (My undergrad degree is in cultural/political geography & I had a no. of classes on these topics.)

What do you all call a carbonated beverage & a sandwich of assorted meats on a long roll? :smile:

Apparently there is another book out there that is very similar to the one described above. It divides the U.S. into "Nine Moral Regions" whose names are New England, Metropolis, New Dixie, Old Dixie, the Rust Belt, the Granary, Marlboro Country, L.A.-Mexico, and the Pacific Rim. Saw it once in a library about eight years ago, but can't remember either the author or the title.

Supper is the name of the evening meal. Lunch is the name of the mid-day meal. Dinner is the name of the major meal of the day. It can be at mid-day or in the evening. Most Americans today eat dinner in the evening. I grew up eating dinner in the evening, but we used the terms lunch and supper, never dinner (which I thought meant a fancy meal when I was a kid).

In England, "dinner" is lunch
(the cafeteria workers serving school lunch
are called "dinnerladies"), "tea" is
dinner, and "supper" is a late evening
snack, usually at about 9PM - tea and
biscuits or a sandwich. It took me months
to know what to call a meal other than
breakfast when I lived there!

On 2002-02-11 15:42, Stonewall Patton wrote:

On 2002-02-11 15:28, HopefulCynic68 wrote:

Here's a question: in most parts of the country, 'dinner' refers to the evening meal, and 'lunch' to the noon meal. In a few areas, 'dinner' is the noon meal, and 'supper' the evening repast. What areas does this break down across?

(I have reason to believe this difference actually originated in England.)

It is dinner and supper in the (rural) South. I am guessing that it is lunch and dinner pretty much everywhere else. But it would be interesting if it is dinner and supper in rural parts of other areas.

I was thinking that this was more of general agrarian origin. Why do you think it is English in origin?

I don't have much reason to, except for a single reference in a book written in the UK from the late eighties, wherein a British writer comments that in northern England, the midday meal is called lunch, and the evening meal dinner, (or supper if its late and a light meal), while in the southern areas, the noon meal is dinner.

That caught my attention, as I said, because throughout much of the South and southern Midwest, until very recently (the last 20 years or so), the noon meal was invariably called dinner, and the evening meal supper (whether or not it was the major meal of the day).

On 2002-02-13 00:45, Justin'79 wrote:
Heres a distinction between Millennials and Xers.
When each group commits a crime they are viewed differently.

Xers are seen as parentless, responsible for their own actions,rootless, shadowy and disgruntled.
See Tim McVeigh, black clad anarchists of Seattle, this kid that just held those people hostage in Connecticut. Dont forget the 23 year old protester that was killed in Genoa last Summer.

Millies are seen as "troubled" and their parents are instead responsible for not watching their children.
See John Walker, all the school shooters primarily Collumbine kids, and that kid that flew a plane into a building.

It's going to be interesting, I think, to see how the legal proceedings around the former (I think it was the) Symbionese (sp?) Liberation Army members proceeds. We've got Boomers here, accused of serious crimes, and known to be part of a nasty outfit from the Awakening period.

The interesting thing is, now they've basically melded into the middle class background. Sarah Olsen was a suburban 'soccer mom' type. How will the USA react to this trial, to the degree it notices it, and where will sympathies lie?

(Ironically, this time around a key prosecution witness with be Patty Hearst, who was kidnapped by this bunch, and later joined up with them. In the former trials, the law had to break down Heart's credibility as a witness, now they have to build it up. Why is it that everything to do with the Awakening is always so bizarre?)

OTOH, I'll bet no matter how harsh the court is, it won't match anything like this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2002Feb17.html

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