1976
21-Jan-1976 Emma Lee Bunton X Spice Girl
15-Feb-1976 Brandon Boyd X Incubus
29-Feb-1976 Ja Rule X
08-Mar-1976 Freddie Prinze, Jr. X
22-Mar-1976 Reese Witherspoon X
06-Apr-1976 Candace Cameron X
13-Apr-1976 Jonathan Brandis X
18-Apr-1976 Melissa Joan Hart X
20-Apr-1976 Joey Lawrence X
09-Jul-1976 Fred Savage X
08-Aug-1976 J.C. Chasez XNSYNC
08-Aug-1976 Drew Lachey X98 Degrees
04-Oct-1976 Alicia Silverstone X
27-Nov-1976 Jaleel White XERKLE

1977
28-Jan-1977 Joey Fatone, Jr. XNSYNC
02-Feb-1977 Shakira X
08-Mar-1977 James Van Der Beek X Dawson
14-Apr-1977 Sarah Michelle Gellar X Buffy
01-Jul-1977 Liv Tyler X
02-Aug-1977 Edward Furlong X John Conners
13-Sep-1977 Fiona Apple X
16-Nov-1977 Oksana Baiul X


1978
09-Jan-1978 A.J. McLean X NSync
07-Feb-1978 Ashton Kutcher X
12-May-1978 Jason Biggs X American Pie
21-Jul-1978 Josh Hartnett X
09-Nov-1978 Sisqo X
02-Dec-1978 Nelly Furtado X with M fanbase
18-Dec-1978 Katie Holmes X watch the movie Go shes an Xer

1979
16-Jan-1979 Aaliyah X
24-Jan-1979 Tatyana Ali X
09-Feb-1979 Mena Suvari X
11-Feb-1979 Brandy X with M tendency
21-Feb-1979 Jennifer Love Hewitt Y
04-Apr-1979 Heath Ledger X
12-Apr-1979 Claire Danes X
19-Apr-1979 Kate Hudson X
22-Apr-1979 Daniel Johns X Silverchair
04-May-1979 Lance Bass X NSYNC
08-Sep-1979 Pink X
14-Oct-1979 Usher Y even tho he is dating a member of TLC


1980

28-Jan-1980 Nick Carter Y
12-Feb-1980 Christina Ricci X
27-Feb-1980 Chelsea Clinton Y or M
17-Jun-1980 Venus Williams Y
10-Jul-1980 Jessica Simpson Y
26-Aug-1980 Macaulay Culkin Y
09-Sep-1980 Michelle Williams Y
13-Oct-1980 Ashanti Y
17-Nov-1980 Isaac Hanson Y
03-Dec-1980 Anna Chlumsky Y
18-Dec-1980 Christina Aguilera X

1981

25-Jan-1981 Alicia Keys Y
28-Jan-1981 Elijah Wood Y or M
29-Jan-1981 Jonny Lang Y
31-Jan-1981 Justin Timberlake Y
28-Mar-1981 Julia Stiles X
05-May-1981 Craig David Stupid
07-Jun-1981 Anna Kournikova Russian
09-Jun-1981 Natalie Portman Y
04-Sep-1981 Beyonc? Knowles Y
08-Sep-1981 Jonathan Taylor ThomasM
26-Sep-1981 Serena Williams Y
02-Dec-1981 Britney Spears X

Note: Once you get into the Zaks and Ty's you can tell Mills are starting to take over

1982
19-Jan-1982 Jodie Sweetin M
11-Mar-1982 Thora Birch Y
30-Apr-1982 Kirsten Dunst Y
10-Jun-1982 Leelee Sobieski Y
21-Jun-1982 Prince William M
24-Jul-1982 Anna Paquin M
28-Aug-1982 LeAnn Rimes M




1983
14-Mar-1983 Taylor Hanson M
30-Mar-1983 Scott Moffatt M
02-Jul-1983 Michelle Branch M
21-Sep-1983 Joseph Mazzello M


1984

08-Mar-1984 Bob Moffatt M
08-Mar-1984 Clint Moffatt M
08-Mar-1984 Dave Moffatt M
0-Apr-1984 Mandy Moore M
15-Sep-1984 Prince Harry M


1985

22-Oct-1985 Zac Hanson M
05-Dec-1985 Frankie Muniz M

1986
16-Jan-1986 Mason Gamble M
21-Feb-1986 Charlotte Church M
13-Jun-1986 Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen M

Note:
X= Xer
Y= equivalent of "Joneser" a 50/50 cohort
M=Millennial

Mail,
You use apostraphes alot.
The American Pie audience is you, but I know that those kids are Xers because they were all born between 1973 and 1980.

and Britney is an M.
I messed up.

On 2002-05-01 12:23, God wrote:
Mail,
You use apostraphes alot.
The American Pie audience is you, but I know that those kids are Xers because they were all born between 1973 and 1980.

At least I'm not in Generation Stupid :smile:

I get your point though.
Nick Carter, Isaac Hanson, and Maccauley Culkin don't exactly represent 1980 either, but a few lesser knowns like Bijou Phillips, Christina Ricci, The Strokes, etc. do actually seem similar to my peers.

I dont think Hanson has misrepresented itself to me either.
Remember that before the teen explosion, celebrities werent the robotic manufactured gook that they are now when trying to reach the teen audience.
They went through great lengths to make us know that Wynona Ryder was an individual in Beetleguise (1987?)
Dig?

On 2002-05-01 14:14, God wrote:
I get your point though.
Nick Carter, Isaac Hanson, and Maccauley Culkin don't exactly represent 1980 either, but a few lesser knowns like Bijou Phillips, Christina Ricci, The Strokes, etc. do actually seem similar to my peers.

I dont think Hanson has misrepresented itself to me either.
Remember that before the teen explosion, celebrities werent the robotic manufactured gook that they are now when trying to reach the teen audience.
They went through great lengths to make us know that Wynona Ryder was an individual in Beetleguise (1987?)
Dig?

That sounds about right (what you call the teen explosion I call the 'preteen explosion' because that's what it was for my region), but there's a reason I say that the nineties died at the end of 97 and that is (at least in part) it!

On 2002-05-01 09:31, jds1958xg wrote:

On 2002-05-01 09:26, God wrote:
1958 seems fairly Boomer with a few outcasts.

I know. I was one of those few outcasts. Oh, well. Water under the bridge, as they say.

I'm another one of those outcasts.

I think everyone on this board is an outcast.
If you were on the list you'd both probably get "J"s, unless you wrote a song like "Cop Killer."

On 2002-05-01 16:58, Susan Brombacher wrote:

I'm another one of those outcasts.

What is it about being an introverted person, of German descent, born in 1958, in western North Carolina?!

On 2002-05-01 19:54, jds1958xg wrote:

On 2002-05-01 16:58, Susan Brombacher wrote:

I'm another one of those outcasts.

What is it about being an introverted person, of German descent, born in 1958, in western North Carolina?!

I don't know how to answer that, but what part of western NC were you born in? I live there!

On 2002-05-01 19:59, Susan Brombacher wrote:

On 2002-05-01 19:54, jds1958xg wrote:

On 2002-05-01 16:58, Susan Brombacher wrote:

I'm another one of those outcasts.

What is it about being an introverted person, of German descent, born in 1958, in western North Carolina?!

I don't know how to answer that, but what part of western NC were you born in? I live there!

Winston-Salem. (Unless you consider that to be in central N.C. Many people would, I'm sure.)

I think S and H are pretty much on target about when the generations begin and end, and their boundaries make a lot more sense than those you see in magazines and in the media (1946-1964). I mean, come on, someone born in 1964 was only 5 when Woodstock happened! They probably wouldn't even remember the moon landing. If anything, I would move the dates that divide Boomers and Gen-Xers back even earlier than 1961, but that's probably not ever going to happen and reading over the posts here, only people like Anthony might think S and H start them too late. Oh, and I don't like the Buster label either.

But I think they're right about 1982 being the first Millennial year. College students in their freshman and sophomore years seem much more civically minded and community oriented than the seniors and juniors, at least to me. They are more into team sports and group activities, and seem somehow less edgy than the older students. They listen to the Backstreet Boys and the new pop groups, while the older students listen to alternative. They don't seem to mix very much either. I've seen some posts here about anarchist Millennials, and I think they exist too but have been ignored by S and H. They are kind of like a clean-cut version of 60s campus radicals and are pretty vocal and idealistic. The older students (the Xers) seem to look down on them, rolling their eyes and trying their best to ignore their shrieks of protest. The Millenials get frustrated with the Xers because the Xers don't listen to what they have to say.

There's a lot of good stuff here and I think that person who calls himself/herself God is really funny! Maillaw makes me laugh too, but they both have interesting insights.

On 2002-05-01 18:11, God wrote:
I think everyone on this board is an outcast.
If you were on the list you'd both probably get "J"s, unless you wrote a song like "Cop Killer."

and what does "J" stand for?

On 2002-05-01 20:29, Susan Brombacher wrote:

and what does "J" stand for?

Probably 'Joneser' aka last wave Boomer.

This is the most interesting discussion of generations I have ever seen.

I keep hearing this term "Joneser." What exactly is a Joneser? Some sort of Boomer/Gen-X hybrid? That's what it seems like from reading all these posts but I am still not clear as to what it is. I have seen Buster but I don't like it. It sounds like demographers couldn't come up with something new after Boomers so they just thought "ok, what's the opposite of a Boomer? Oh, yeah, a Buster! That's it!" It sounds like an afterthought. Which I guess could be appropriate since Gen-Xers themselves feel like afterthoughts at best. That's how their parents thought of them.
"Honey, I'm pregnant. Maybe I should have an abortion?"
"Hmmm..."
"Uh, well, I guess we could work it into our busy schedules, as long as it doesn't interfere with my personal growth too much."
"Okay, dear, whatever makes you happy."
"Well, we can try it and see if we like it. Maybe it will be kind of like when we got that new puppy."
"We had to get rid of that puppy, remember?"
"Oh, yeah. Well, let's have it anyway. You never know."
"Okay dear, whatever makes you happy makes me happy. (long pause) Say, sweetums, let's try swapping partners this weekend."
"Guess I won't have to worry about the birth control pills."

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On 2002-05-01 20:23, Miss Anthrope wrote:
I think S and H are pretty much on target about when the generations begin and end, and their boundaries make a lot more sense than those you see in magazines and in the media (1946-1964). I mean, come on, someone born in 1964 was only 5 when Woodstock happened! They probably wouldn't even remember the moon landing. If anything, I would move the dates that divide Boomers and Gen-Xers back even earlier than 1961, but that's probably not ever going to happen and reading over the posts here, only people like Anthony might think S and H start them too late. Oh, and I don't like the Buster label either.

But I think they're right about 1982 being the first Millennial year. College students in their freshman and sophomore years seem much more civically minded and community oriented than the seniors and juniors, at least to me. They are more into team sports and group activities, and seem somehow less edgy than the older students. They listen to the Backstreet Boys and the new pop groups, while the older students listen to alternative. They don't seem to mix very much either. I've seen some posts here about anarchist Millennials, and I think they exist too but have been ignored by S and H. They are kind of like a clean-cut version of 60s campus radicals and are pretty vocal and idealistic. The older students (the Xers) seem to look down on them, rolling their eyes and trying their best to ignore their shrieks of protest. The Millenials get frustrated with the Xers because the Xers don't listen to what they have to say.

There's a lot of good stuff here and I think that person who calls himself/herself God is really funny! Maillaw makes me laugh too, but they both have interesting insights.

Thanks... I'd still like to know - where ARE those places that 82-84 cohorts listen to BSB and stuff? The only place I saw people before the 85 cohort really listening to that stuff was when I was visiting Princeton in early 00 ('N Sync was resonating from the walls and the cohort groups represented were 77 to 81)...

I just assumed when I saw legions of 13 year old outside TRL in 1997 that they were born in 84. For the most part I think the males probably think of them as lame (because they are) but I am positive that many females were on the BSB tip, especially in the 83-85 cohorts. Some people are just lame you know?
It doesnt say that much about their generation other than it is what is being marketed to them.

Yeah...Xers don't listen to Millennials ;(
I wont get into it, but you are right Miss Anthrope.

On 2002-05-01 21:05, God wrote:
I just assumed when I saw legions of 13 year old outside TRL in 1997 that they were born in 84. For the most part I think the males probably think of them as lame (because they are) but I am positive that many females were on the BSB tip, especially in the 83-85 cohorts. Some people are just lame you know?
It doesnt say that much about their generation other than it is what is being marketed to them.

how did you know that they were all 13? did you talk to them and find out their ages? or did they just look like early adolescents?

I saw the leading edge of the fans where I lived as 7th graders in 97 - 98 (some even wore MS class of 99 shirts) and concluded that they must be 85 cohorts... they WERE nearly all female tho
_________________
William '84

Not only was I born in 1984, but I even live in Room 101!

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"Joneser" (from "Generation Jones") refers to the generation between the Baby Boomers and Generation X. There is variation on the exact boundaries--some people start it as early as 1954 or '55, others don't start until '58; likewise the endpoint varies from around '64 through '68. It's not a hybrid of Boomer/Xer--it is a seperate generation, although the personality of Jonesers is in some ways a hybrid of Boomers and Xers. Generation Jones is often not treated as a completely seperate generation on this message board nearly as much as it is generally elswhere because some on this board view that approach as undermining to S & H's theories. Personally, I have no doubt that Generation Jones is indeed a distinct generation, although I also subscribe to much of what S & H have written and don't see Generation Jones as fundamentally inconsistent with S & H. FWIW, I see the birthyears of Generation Jones as 1955-'66.

Because they had zits and braces and smelled bad. And the two 1984 cohorts I first saw TRL with introduced it to me like "you don't know what this is?????""

Anyway.
For Miss Anthrope.
Joneser is that weird generational phenomenon where you can't really tell what generation they are because they are blended so well.

This occurred in the 1960-62 cohorts alot, if you look at them. It also occurred in the 1980-82 cohorts as well. You'll notice that going over that sample of famous persons that some J started showing up as early as 1957-1958, and that it persisted until 1963-1964, after which everything went solid X.
The same can be seen for the "Gen Y" concept.
I bet the first "Y"s would show up in a larger sample in 1977-1978, and that after 1982 you would see (as you did in the switch from a J to an X) that Y turns into a solid M.

God, (yes???) I feel like I am explaining DNA chains or something.

On 2002-05-01 21:21, God wrote:
Because they had zits and braces and smelled bad. And the two 1984 cohorts I first saw TRL with introduced it to me like "you don't know what this is?????""

that's more by instinct/feeling than you normally do! i know that enough 13 year olds look 23 and vice versa that trying to gauge age without knowing their birthyear or class (even class only gives a two year range at best) is impossible - i remember that while i liked the concept of total request live i became very quickly dissatisfied (as a preteen pop base took over) with the videos that were being requested (at first there was still room for other types of music which i was rooting for but by mid to late 98 i was only watching it to scope out the hot fans - which there were plenty of)

See.
You saw "hot fans."
I saw "little girls."
Plus, my MTV coming of age moment (how pathetic does that sound?)came in 1992 at the fruition of being aware of the network all my life.
To watch the 80s die on Alternative Nation was a beautiful thing.
TRL, like Columbine, is just an "oh yeah I remember that" without any feelings other than alienation.

On 2002-04-29 15:12, Stonewall Patton wrote:

I would answer by saying that while we may not have too much X in us, we have even less Millie

OK, I see what you are saying. You think there is an intergenerational span in which cohorts are effectively "neuter" with respect to generational orientation. A dominant wave gives way to a neuter wave gives way to a recessive wave gives way to a neuter wave gives way to a dominant wave, etc. You might even argue that '81 cohorts might be largely indistinguishable from '61 cohorts and '43 cohorts and '25 cohorts, etc. I just do not see that being true in reality. I see one generational mood flowing into another at every boundary.

Remember a discussion we had not too long ago on a thread different from this one about whether a certain '84 cohort was generationally compatible with a certain very early 60s cohort? That could explain it pretty well...

On 2002-05-01 21:31, God wrote:
See.
You saw "hot fans."
I saw "little girls."
Plus, my MTV coming of age moment (how pathetic does that sound?)came in 1992 at the fruition of being aware of the network all my life.
To watch the 80s die on Alternative Nation was a beautiful thing.
TRL, like Columbine, is just an "oh yeah I remember that" without any feelings other than alienation.

17 and 18-year-olds will always look at 13 and 14-year-olds as 'little girls' and 13 year olds will look at those same people as 'hot fans', generational gap or not (which is why even that reason of watching that particular show is gone for me now)... my musical 'coming of age moment' (if there was any such thing) would probably be late 94 when we all started listening to various alternative stuff but I can't pinpoint it to a specific moment besides a visit to the CD store in 12/94; the feeling I (and probably other members of my age cohort) have with TRL is more one of disillusionment than anything else