Apparently Canada's "Boomers" were born from 1947 through 1966 - at least according to this link:

http://www.cflri.ca/cflri/pa/surveys.../95survey.html

On another page within the same site, it states that "Gen-X" was born from 1967 through 1979. Guess they don't agree with their fellow countryman, Doug Coupland!

On 2002-05-06 03:18, Buster Brown wrote:
Apparently Canada's "Boomers" were born from 1947 through 1966 - at least according to this link:

http://www.cflri.ca/cflri/pa/surveys.../95survey.html

On another page within the same site, it states that "Gen-X" was born from 1967 through 1979. Guess they don't agree with their fellow countryman, Doug Coupland!

Ah. This must be Anthony, stricken with the disease of usernamitis that runs rampant on this board :smile:

On 2002-05-04 21:08, Stonewall Patton wrote:

On 2002-05-04 20:05, IntestOPurge wrote:
You're like a stereotype, no a CARTOON of a whinging slacker.
(snip)
So quit whinging about how bad you're treated and how you don't identify with people a few years younger than you or older than you, or whatever, and get a damn life.

Whinging? Mr. Saari, would this be you posting out in the cold by any chance?

Nah, I can't see Mr. Saari getting this bent out of shape over Justin. No way. There are only a select few here who have incorporated "whinging" into their lexicons so the choices are indeed limited. Perhaps Jesse Manoogian can solve this mystery as well.


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My sister married an Aussie and lived outside Sydney, Australia for a number of years. "Whinging" is the British/Australian equivilant of our "whining".

You will also see the term in books on dealing with children that are published in the U.K. or Australia (how to stop your child from "whinging", etc.)

So maybe its Tristan Jones who made the posting! Just kidding! :lol:

On 2002-05-06 03:18, Buster Brown wrote:
Apparently Canada's "Boomers" were born from 1947 through 1966 - at least according to this link:

http://www.cflri.ca/cflri/pa/surveys.../95survey.html

On another page within the same site, it states that "Gen-X" was born from 1967 through 1979. Guess they don't agree with their fellow countryman, Doug Coupland!

But was that the Boomer *generation* or just the *population* boom? I think the latter; another page on the site makes Boomers
1947 - 1959, Gen Xers 1960 - 1966
(and calls the Gen Xers the late boomers!), and Busters 1967 - 1979; with the exception of the middle group all seem to be based on birth rates alone
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Not only was I born in 1984, but I even live in Room 101!

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Mail,

Of course you guys aren't going to be law abiding, rule following, stereotypical GIs.
Of the Civic generations in our past, the first one produced Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, Abigail Adams, Nathan Hale. These weren't people that simply followed the rules and feared authority. In fact, they cast authority off.
Even in the context of the GIs, the first solid 7-10 years (depending on which celebrities embody the archtype for you) were in no way these rule following types.

The post 1914 crowd (that even gave us people like Arthur Miller) is totally similar to our own Mighty Morphine/Pokemon children.

Not to mention you guys are on a cusp, where the older generation is still heavily influencing all of you (even the kids born in 1991 who choose Blink 182 over Nirvana).

It's nice to see you not as angsty or self-destructive as my peers at one time were, or as Gen X was during pretty much the entire 1990s. (Consider the decade like one complete bitch fit)

I mean if I were you, and I didn't have this cultural baggage, and newspapers and magazines were saying that I was going to change the world, I think I'd be pretty psyched that at last the whiny, lethargy of my generation had been surpassed by younger stronger kids, that don't want to destroy, but want to rebuild.

Ty.

Somebody has to do it.
Since America's e;lders haven't been shitting on you for over 20 years, maybe it's you guys.

On 2002-05-06 08:47, mmailliw wrote:

On 2002-05-06 03:18, Buster Brown wrote:

Apparently Canada's "Boomers" were born from 1947 through 1966 - at least according to this link:

http://www.cflri.ca/cflri/pa/surveys.../95survey.html

On another page within the same site, it states that "Gen-X" was born from 1967 through 1979. Guess they don't agree with their fellow countryman, Doug Coupland!

But was that the Boomer *generation* or just the *population* boom? I think the latter; another page on the site makes Boomers
1947 - 1959, Gen Xers 1960 - 1966
(and calls the Gen Xers the late boomers!), and Busters 1967 - 1979; with the exception of the middle group all seem to be based on birth rates alone

William, it's a Canadian site talking about the Canadian saeculum. Canada was -- and perhaps still is -- behind is in the saeculum. To cite an obvious example, they adopted long hair later in the '60s than we did, and they continued to wear long hair further into the '80s than we did. I suspect that the site's claim that 1966 was Canada's last Prophet year is just about right.

On 2002-05-06 09:04, Ty Webb wrote:
Somebody has to do it.
Since America's e;lders haven't been shitting on you for over 20 years, maybe it's you guys.

No, unfortunately America's elders have started shitting on Millies *now*, in this decade.

How have they been shitting on them?
Well i guess the whole competitive education thing (that's being chronicled in the New York Times)is a different way of shitting on them, but for the most part I've seen them heralded and merited.
Explain your statement, JX1958.
Thanks,
Ty.

On 2002-05-06 09:35, Ty Webb wrote:
How have they been shitting on them?
Well i guess the whole competitive education thing (that's being chronicled in the New York Times)is a different way of shitting on them, but for the most part I've seen them heralded and merited.
Explain your statement, JX1958.
Thanks,
Ty.

All this media 'Generation Y' gloom and doom, about how Millies are supposed to be worse than Gen-X's worst reputation - across the board. Mmailliw and I have discussed that very thing on another thread.

On 2002-05-06 09:02, Ty Webb wrote:
Mail,

Of course you guys aren't going to be law abiding, rule following, stereotypical GIs.
Of the Civic generations in our past, the first one produced Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, Abigail Adams, Nathan Hale. These weren't people that simply followed the rules and feared authority. In fact, they cast authority off.
Even in the context of the GIs, the first solid 7-10 years (depending on which celebrities embody the archtype for you) were in no way these rule following types.

The post 1914 crowd (that even gave us people like Arthur Miller) is totally similar to our own Mighty Morphine/Pokemon children.

By the first 7 - 10 years do you mean starting in 1901? 1906? 1903? 1907? I'd say that the reason that 1901 - 1907 does not consist of rule-following types is that it is generally *NOT* a GI period (1901 - 1904 seem Lost; 1905 - 1907 are very cuspy) But it appears that you equate 1914 with 1991 or so... and TJ himself was a solid cusper born a mere two years after the divide! The question seems to be more a name of labelling than anything else (do we call 80 - 86 "Millennial"? "Y"? "the last gasp of Generation X"?) and frankly I don't care if *WE* become the long-anticipated "Peanut Butter Generation"!

Mail,

Despite the soft, and semi-fascist underpinnings of being in a generation who's role will remotely resemble the GIs (they will rebuild America) I think that the 1980-86 crowd (although I personally see 1986 as being part of the Millennials hands down without debate, and 1980 as being extremely Xish) will be part of a group that rebuilds America.
That is just the way the balance is shifting.
Nobody will let the 1980-86 crowd be slackers. part of the creation of Slacker-dom was a permissive adult generation that didn't care.
But they care now.
Look at the New York Times special on kids applying to college, or Forbes Magazine's article on "The New Smarts", about a new generation of kds that want to rebuild, not destroy.
I don't think America will accept a another 10 years of slacking and whining. I think those days have almost come to a close.
Instead I think that this PBJ generation will fill the shoes of the Jeffersons of the new civic generation.
We have been taught to loath the GIs by our parents.
I dont think the new civics will replicate them, they will just take their place as "doers".
As for the GI cusp, have you ever looked at Humphrey Bogart or Ernest Hemingway????
They were burned out old, mad codgers.
They were fried.
Their character differed alot from the post 190whatever crowd.
I would argue that 1905 was GI. a woman born in 05 founded the Gray Panthers. Lucky Lindy seems pretty Lost.
Its in the very early 1900s if you ask me, but how thin can you slice something so old?

Im pulling for you Mail, you can be our TJ.

Ty.

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On 2002-05-06 10:04, mmailliw wrote:

and TJ himself was a solid cusper born a mere two years after the divide!

In many ways, TJ seems more Nomad than Hero. In fact the Jeffersonian/Hamiltonian dispute was essentially a Nomad/Hero dispute, literally so at the beginning. TJ certainly did have many civic traits but was he more Hero on more Nomad? I have compiled contemporaneous births from various sites in order to locate that Liberty/Republican boundary. Here they are:

1736 (19 jan) James Watt Scotland, inventor (steam engine)
1736 (25 jan) Joseph-Louis comte de Lagrange, Turin, French mathematician
1736 (29 feb) Anna Lee Manchester England, founder (Shaker movement in America)
1736 (29 may) Patrick Henry US, patriot "Give me liberty or give me death"
1736 (14 jun) Charles-Augustin de Coulomb physicist (formulated Coulomb's Law)
1736 (04 sep) Robert Raikes England, Sunday school pioneer
1736 (10 sep) Carter Braxton signed Decl of Ind


1737 Francis Hopkinson N
1737 (12 jan) John Hancock patriot (1st to sign Declaration of Independence)
1737 (29 jan) Thomas Paine political essayist (Common Sense, Age of Reason)
1737 (20 feb) Elizabeth Rowe poet, dies
1737 (27 apr) Edward Gibbon England, historian (Decline & Fall of the Roman Emp)
1737 (08 may) Edward Gibbon England, historian (Decline & Fall of Roman Empire)
1737 (19 sep) Charles Carroll signed Decl of Ind


1738 (10 jan) Ethan Allen Revolutionary War fighter (led the Green Mountain Boys)
1738 (14 apr) Duck of Portland (C) British PM (1783, 1807-09)
1738 (24 may) George III king of Great-Britain (1760-1820)
1738 (28 may) Dr Joseph Ignace Guillotin France, physician/inventor (guillotine)
1738 (04 jun) George III English king during American Revolution (1760-1820)
1738 (03 jul) John Singleton Copley Mass, finest colonial American artist
1738 (10 oct) Benjamin West painter (Death of General Wolfe)
1738 (15 nov) Sir William Herschel astronomer (discovered Uranus)
1738 (26 dec) Thomas Nelson merchant, signer of the Declaration of Independence
1738 (31 dec) Charles Lord Cornwallis solider/statesman


1739 (16 mar) George Clymer US merchant (signed Declaration of Independence, Constitution)
1739 (26 jul) George Clinton NY, (D-R) 4th VP (1805-12)
1739 (13 sep) Grigory Potemkin army officer, statesman, Catherine II's lover, OS


1740 (02 may) Elias Boudinot lawyer/patriot, found American Biblical Society
1740 (02 jun) Marquis de Sade 1st known sadist, writer (Justine)
1740 (26 aug) Joseph Montgolfier France, aeronaut (ballooning)
1740 (29 oct) James Boswell Scotland, Samuel Johnson's biographer


1741 (14 jan) Benedict Arnold US General turned traitor (Revolutionary War)
1741 (25 jan) Benedict Arnold General /traitor (US revolution)
1741 (13 mar) Jozef II arch duke of Austria/Roman Catholic German emperor (1765-90)
1741 (15 apr) Charles Willson Peale US, port painter/inventor (George Washington)
1741 (17 apr) Samuel Chase signed Decl of Ind, judge
1741 (17 may) John Penn US attorney (signed Declaration of Independence)


1742 (17 jun) William Hooper signed Decl of Ind
1742 (26 jun) Arthur Middleton signer Declaration of Independence
1742 (07 aug) Nathanael Greene American Revolutionary War General


1743 (21 jan) John Fitch inventor (had a working steamboat years before Fulton)
1743 (13 apr) Thomas Jefferson Virginia, (D-R) 3rd pres (1801-09)
1743 (24 apr) Edmund Cartwright England, cleric, inventor (power loom)
1743 (20 may) [Fran?ois D] Toussaint L'Ouverture (? Breda), leader (Haiti)
1743 (24 may) Jean-Paul Marat France, revolutionist
1743 (26 aug) Antoine-Laurent Lavoisier Paris, father of mod chemistry (Oxygen)


1744 (05 feb) John Jeffries colonial physician/meteorologist
1744 (09 feb) Amos Bull composer
1744 (13 mar) David Allan Scottish painter
1744 (31 may) Richard Edgeworth writer, Bath
1744 (17 jul) Elbridge Gerry (DR) 5th VP (Mass-Gov), invented gerrymandering
1744 (01 aug) Jean-Baptiste Lamarck believed in inheritance of acquired traits
1744 (11 nov) Abigail Smith Adams 2nd 1st lady
1744 (22 dec) Abigail Adams Weymouth MA, 2nd first lady (1797-1801)


1745 (01 jan) "Mad" Anthony Wayne General
1745 (06 jan) Jacques-?tienne Montgolfier Annonay France, aeronaut (1st pioneer balloonist/brother of Joseph-Michel/co-inventor of calorimeter, hydraulic ram, and process for producing vellum)
1745 (18 feb) Count Alessandro Giuseppe Antonio Anastasio Volta physicist/inventor (battery)
1745 (20 apr) Philippe Pinel physician, founder of psychiatry
1745 (29 apr) Oliver Ellsworth 3rd Chief Justice Supreme Court (1796-1800)
1745 (23 sep) John Sevier Tennessee, indian fighter (Gov/Rep-Tn)
1745 (12 dec) John Jay diplomat (NY-Governor)
1745 (24 dec) Benjamin Rush Byberry PA, physician/general (Continental Army, signed Declaration of Independence)


1746 (11 jan) William Curtis English botanist/publisher (Botanical Magazine)
1746 (24 jan) Gustav III king during Swedish Enlightenment (1771-92)
1746 (30 mar) Francisco Jose de Goya Fuendetodos Spain, painter/etcher (Naked Maja)
1746 (16 jul) Giuseppe Piazzi discovered 1st asteroid (Ceres)
1746 (28 jul) Thomas Heyward soldier, signed Decl of Ind
1746 (01 oct) John Muhlenberg Lutheran pastor/general/congressman
1746 (07 oct) William Billings Boston Mass, hymn composer (Rose of Sharon)
1746 (06 nov) Absalom Jones Delaware, born into slavery
1746 (27 nov) Robert Livingston delivered oath of office to George Washington


1747 (04 feb) Tadeusz Kosciusko Poland, patriot, (New York Bridge)
1747 (03 mar) Kasamir Pulaski US General (Revolutionary War)
1747 (04 mar) Casimir Pulaski Count/American Revolutionary War general
1747 (06 jul) John Paul Jones naval hero ("I have not yet begun to fight")


1748 (15 feb) Jeremy Bentham London England, philosopher/originator (Utilitarian)
1748 (05 mar) William Shield composer
1748 (10 mar) John Playfair Scotland, clergyman/geologist/mathematician
1748 (30 aug) Jacques-Louis David France, Neoclassical painter (Death of Marat)
1748 (11 nov) Charles IV king of Spain (1788-1808)
1748 (27 dec) William Marshall composer


1749 (19 jan) Isaiah Thomas US, printer/editor/publisher/historian
1749 (23 mar) Pierre-Simon Laplace mathematician/astronomer/physicist
1749 (17 may) Edward Jenner England, physician, discovered vaccination
1749 (05 aug) Thomas Lynch signed Declaration of Independence
1749 (28 aug) Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Frankfurt, social philosopher (Faust)
1749 (23 nov) Edward Rutledge (Gov-SC) signed Declaration of Independence


Ignore the repeats. I just copied these as they appeared.


I need to look more closely at many of these people before I reach a final verdict, but for now I do see the following:

The first Americans with marked civic traits appear to have come on the scene in 1742 (S&H's boundary). However Nomad traits did persist afterward:

1743 - Thomas Jefferson was as cuspy as one can get with mixed Nomad and Hero traits. But which was dominant? I consider Jefferson with respect to two of his closest associates, John Adams and James Madison. Adams (Liberty) was eight years his senior and Madison (Republican) was eight years his junior. With which was he closest generationally? My answer is Adams. Adams was a peer and an equal while Madison was something of a pupil. On this basis, it seems like Jefferson really belongs with the Liberty generation. However he was certainly as cuspy as it gets.

1744 - Abigail Adams was something of a feminist for her time. Does that not seem atypical for Heroes? Maybe I am wrong but I see Hero women as typically the most accepting of gender roles and the least given to feminism. Not that Nomad women are typically the most revolutionary of feminists but they seem to assert themselves more than Heroes, do they not? Was Abigail Adams Hero or Nomad?

Elbridge Gerry was rather cuspy also. On the one hand, he favored a strong central government (typical of Republicans). On the other hand, he eventually came out as an Anti-Federalist (typical of Liberty). I don't know.

1745 - I see General Anthony Wayne as a Nomad. He was impetuous and lacked formal training. Debts plagued him. He lived a Nomad life and exhibited a Nomad temperament.

John Sevier was actually quite civic. I count him as Hero.

John Jay was Hero.

Benjamin Rush I actually see as a Nomad with some Hero traits.

1746 - I suspect that Heyward, Muhlenburg, and Livingston were all Heroes.

1747 - John Paul Jones was actually rather Nomadic in temperament with personal disputes and mano a mano sword fights, etc. However he was also quite civic in his plans for a powerful navy (in contrast to the Liberty privateers). I'll give him the nod for Hero but obviously he was still within the cusp.

1748 onward - Too small a sample for 1748 but I suspect that the last Nomad traces died out by 1749 or so.


So I tentatively get a cusp from 1742 through 1747 or 1748. The middle year would be about 1745. Indeed 1745 looks to be the real 50/50 Nomad/Hero year and potentially the first proper Hero year. But again, the sample is so limited. Not sure what to make of it.

On 2002-05-06 11:11, Stonewall Patton wrote:
1744 - Abigail Adams was something of a feminist for her time. Does that not seem atypical for Heroes? Maybe I am wrong but I see Hero women as typically the most accepting of gender roles and the least given to feminism. Not that Nomad women are typically the most revolutionary of feminists but they seem to assert themselves more than Heroes, do they not? Was Abigail Adams Hero or Nomad?

Are Heroes feminists? I can answer that question in two words -- Betty Friedan! :grin:

Your sample is small.
But Jefferson and Abigail Adams appear to be true progressive thinkers, while people like John Adams and George Washington were hardly that. Plus Adams went through all that Alien and Sedition act BS.
Jefferson was the one that said "theres nothing wrong with a little revolution now and then"
Jefferson was the young man that came to embody the new Republic.
He was certainly a builder. He wrote the Declaration.
An important thing to remember is that Adams defended the British accused in the Boston massacre.

And since when are "accepting gender roles" and "feminism" different?
Feminism isnt some fad that occurs whenever women have the luxury of being uppity.
Its a struggle for equality, and I think that equality was in some instances (all men are created equal)
was the guiding light of our republic, at least in philosophical BS.

On 2002-05-06 11:41, Jenny Genser wrote:

On 2002-05-06 11:11, Stonewall Patton wrote:
1744 - Abigail Adams was something of a feminist for her time. Does that not seem atypical for Heroes? Maybe I am wrong but I see Hero women as typically the most accepting of gender roles and the least given to feminism. Not that Nomad women are typically the most revolutionary of feminists but they seem to assert themselves more than Heroes, do they not? Was Abigail Adams Hero or Nomad?

Are Heroes feminists? I can answer that question in two words -- Betty Friedan! :grin:

I thought of her but she is rather exceptional for Heroes, is she not? I am sure that you are better versed in feminism than I but my impression is that it tends to rise during Artist generations after a period of latency through Hero generations. It carries through Prophet generations and begins to burn itself out in Nomad generations (largely because the sought after reforms have been won) and then vanishes into an abyss in Hero generations. I guess the question is: who is more likely to be a feminist, a Nomad or a Hero?

On 2002-05-06 11:45, Ty Webb wrote:

Your sample is small.
But Jefferson and Abigail Adams appear to be true progressive thinkers, while people like John Adams and George Washington were hardly that.

Yes, but there are two sides to the coin in every generation. Washington and Adams were your Nomad "crusty conservatives." However the "progressive" side of the coin in the Liberty generation included the foremost firebreathers and radicals, e.g. Patrick Henry and Tom Paine. The Nomads then formed the bulk of the Anti-federalists while the Heroes then formed the bulk of Federalists. Jefferson was actually representative of the majority of Nomads while Washington and Adams represented the minority. And Jefferson was set apart from the bulk of Heroes who favored a strong, centralized government.

Plus Adams went through all that Alien and Sedition act BS.

Nomad "crusty conservative" minority faction.

Jefferson was the one that said "theres nothing wrong with a little revolution now and then"

Vintage Nomad. Heroes tend to be a bit less fiery. They get the job done without the drama.

Jefferson was the young man that came to embody the new Republic.
He was certainly a builder. He wrote the Declaration.

Yes, Jefferson certainly had his civic traits but his views and oratory were more typical of Nomads.

An important thing to remember is that Adams defended the British accused in the Boston massacre.

And again, Adams was of that "crusty conservative" minority Nomad faction. He had more in common with the younger Heroes than his fellow Nomads.

On 2002-05-06 11:45, Ty Webb wrote:
Your sample is small.
But Jefferson and Abigail Adams appear to be true progressive thinkers, while people like John Adams and George Washington were hardly that. Plus Adams went through all that Alien and Sedition act BS.
Jefferson was the one that said "theres nothing wrong with a little revolution now and then"
Jefferson was the young man that came to embody the new Republic.
He was certainly a builder. He wrote the Declaration.
An important thing to remember is that Adams defended the British accused in the Boston massacre.

Now, the question seems to be whether progressive thinking is more Heroic or Nomadic... I would speculate that it belongs to last-wave Nomads who inspire Heroes or maybe to leading-edge Heroes who lead the rest of their pack into battle; either way it still seems to be a cuspish trait

On 2002-05-06 09:29, Stonewall Patton wrote:

On 2002-05-06 08:47, mmailliw wrote:

On 2002-05-06 03:18, Buster Brown wrote:

Apparently Canada's "Boomers" were born from 1947 through 1966 - at least according to this link:

http://www.cflri.ca/cflri/pa/surveys.../95survey.html

On another page within the same site, it states that "Gen-X" was born from 1967 through 1979. Guess they don't agree with their fellow countryman, Doug Coupland!

But was that the Boomer *generation* or just the *population* boom? I think the latter; another page on the site makes Boomers
1947 - 1959, Gen Xers 1960 - 1966
(and calls the Gen Xers the late boomers!), and Busters 1967 - 1979; with the exception of the middle group all seem to be based on birth rates alone

William, it's a Canadian site talking about the Canadian saeculum. Canada was -- and perhaps still is -- behind is in the saeculum. To cite an obvious example, they adopted long hair later in the '60s than we did, and they continued to wear long hair further into the '80s than we did. I suspect that the site's claim that 1966 was Canada's last Prophet year is just about right.

But a THIRTEEN YEAR nomad archetype still seems a bit short...

On 2002-05-06 10:33, Ty Webb wrote:
Mail,

Despite the soft, and semi-fascist underpinnings of being in a generation who's role will remotely resemble the GIs (they will rebuild America) I think that the 1980-86 crowd (although I personally see 1986 as being part of the Millennials hands down without debate, and 1980 as being extremely Xish) will be part of a group that rebuilds America.

I actually agree about 1980 and 1986 - I think that the core of my wave is the 1981 - 1984 group listed in that article (it may not be much, but it's all our wave has!); 1980 is significantly more Xish but it still feels like part of my wave culturally and historically - while 1985 is also significantly more Millie it also feels like part of our wave both culturally and historically. I'd almost make it a symmetrical wave (1980 - 1985; 4 year core with 1 year hanging onto each side) except that every TFT poster (myself included) with an 86 wave brother seems to note that that brother is much more X-like; in my case, while my brother is significantly more facile with technology than I am (who do you think downloads all the music files onto minidiscs in my house?) due to various memories, taste in music, etc it seems like his cohort year is the last gasp of our wave; when we get to the 87s it becomes as unmistakably Millie as 89 or 91

On 2002-05-06 12:13, mmailliw wrote:

On 2002-05-06 09:29, Stonewall Patton wrote:

On 2002-05-06 08:47, mmailliw wrote:

On 2002-05-06 03:18, Buster Brown wrote:

Apparently Canada's "Boomers" were born from 1947 through 1966 - at least according to this link:

http://www.cflri.ca/cflri/pa/surveys.../95survey.html

On another page within the same site, it states that "Gen-X" was born from 1967 through 1979. Guess they don't agree with their fellow countryman, Doug Coupland!

But was that the Boomer *generation* or just the *population* boom? I think the latter; another page on the site makes Boomers
1947 - 1959, Gen Xers 1960 - 1966
(and calls the Gen Xers the late boomers!), and Busters 1967 - 1979; with the exception of the middle group all seem to be based on birth rates alone

William, it's a Canadian site talking about the Canadian saeculum. Canada was -- and perhaps still is -- behind is in the saeculum. To cite an obvious example, they adopted long hair later in the '60s than we did, and they continued to wear long hair further into the '80s than we did. I suspect that the site's claim that 1966 was Canada's last Prophet year is just about right.

But a THIRTEEN YEAR nomad archetype still seems a bit short...

OK, yeah, I agree. Their Canadian Prophet span (1947-1966) is probably about right. However I would think that their Nomad span is wrong. I thought you were talking about the Prophet span.

Stonewall,
Well, Stonewall, if we were using the Star Wars analogy, I don't know who Luke would be, other than Thomas Jefferson.

Mail,

As for the progressive thinking, yes I agree it occurs at the cusp.
The rebellious Nomad traits mix with the community minded civic traits.

Sidenote,
I really cannot see how someone born in 1986, who was 0 when Chernobyl blew up, barely 5 when the Iron Curtain came down, and the ripe old age of 6 when Clinton was elected can be considered a Gen Xer.

Personally my "political memory" doesn't begin until Reagan's second term.
I faintly remember hearing about Beirut and marines getting blown up, as well as Grenada.

I am totally baffled by the way you view generations. I adhere to this theory because it made the most sense, before i read about it.
I started to piece together that my 1982 girlfriend and her 1984 brother were not in my generation when I was dating her in 1997.
This was because when I was in my childhood phase, that was an extension of the the 1970s (Awakening) other Xers were in this phase as well, be it at different ages.

Meanwhile, as my Xer mates and myself were trashing our neighborhood, these kids were being protected behind locked doors by cautious parents.

To top this boundary off, the other night my 1980 friend and i yelled violently at the TV when we witnessed the 1997 revised Return of the Jedi, while his 1982 sister professed to have "never seen the movies" and asked us if "Leia and luke were related"

I don't see how you can be a Gen Xer and not know things like that.

Ty.