Jesse, most of my friends parents are divorced. Alot of them have drug problems etc. They fit the late Xer bill in so many ways.
As for you, if you really don't see 1984 as being a different time to be born in then perhaps you are the start of the Millennials.
From my experience people born in 1978 identify as Gen X, about half of the people in 1979 identify as Gen Y, most people born in 80 identify as Gen Y, and almost all people in 81 identify as Gen Y.
If I could post interviews with my friends I would.
But being so close to the cusp, Ill fess up and say that im a cusper, and that familial, cultural, historical, and friendly bonds have drawn me into the Xer camp.

See you later.
TY.

Most people born in the 70s express a kind of "weird" response to people born in the 1980s. They see them as different. And as for your Luke Helder, Elijah Woods, John Walker, Dylan Kleibold, Britney Spears peer group, please explain :smile:

Ty.

On 2002-05-09 00:16, Stonewall Patton wrote:

On 2002-05-08 23:45, Jesse Manoogian wrote:

OTOH, none of the four people who used the word "whinge" unsolicitedly on this board are Jewish. Or maybe it's...a newbie???

Way to go, Jesse! You even have the exact number of "whinge" users down. Care to list them? hehehe.

I actually have everyone who used "whinge" in any circumstance written down on May 8 at 23:13. This "god (I will NOT use a capital G)" person sounded possibly Jewish at first with his concern over the spelling of "God", but none of our "whinge" users are Jewish, so if it's an old one I doubt it. One Finn, one Italian, one British-Australian, and one American-born WASP. I guess a strong enough Christian (Baptist or Mormon?) could refuse to write this fake God (i.e. Justin'79)'s name with a G too though. OTOH, a polytheist might be sure to use a capital G and avoid writing it with a lower-case G at all costs.

On 2002-05-15 19:16, Jesse Manoogian wrote:

On 2002-05-09 00:16, Stonewall Patton wrote:

On 2002-05-08 23:45, Jesse Manoogian wrote:

OTOH, none of the four people who used the word "whinge" unsolicitedly on this board are Jewish. Or maybe it's...a newbie???

Way to go, Jesse! You even have the exact number of "whinge" users down. Care to list them? hehehe.

I actually have everyone who used "whinge" in any circumstance written down on May 8 at 23:13. This "god (I will NOT use a capital G)" person sounded possibly Jewish at first with his concern over the spelling of "God", but none of our "whinge" users are Jewish, so if it's an old one I doubt it. One Finn, one Italian, one British-Australian, and one American-born WASP. I guess a strong enough Christian (Baptist or Mormon?) could refuse to write this fake God (i.e. Justin'79)'s name with a G too though. OTOH, a polytheist might be sure to use a capital G and avoid writing it with a lower-case G at all costs.

I doubt if it's a newbie because of that statement about having been "watching Justin" for a long time. They could just be trying to make him paranoid, but anyone who knows Justin knows he can't be spooked easily. It could even be a lurker, someone who visits the board but never posted before. Who knows how many of them there could be? Maybe hundreds. Dare I say thousands? As far as the God thing goes, I get the a strong feeling it must be a conservative Christian or at least someone who is a regular churchgoer, even though their behavior is anything but Christian.

On 2002-05-14 20:31, Virgil K. Saari wrote:
Mr. Vince Lamb, surely a material causist would rather a shrewdness than a host. To those bangers of drums and tooters of bugles with religiosity, I do most humbly apologize.

I rather prefer "host" to "shrewdness". I am also a host on another web forum relating to drum and bugle corps. Not everything about me is material. :smile:

An even better term to have used would have been "troop". It would have retained the meaning you intended (a troop of baboons), along with the military (a troop is a military unit) and musical (band is one of the synonyms of troop) connotations appropriate for the subject.

Jesse, I'd watch out.
Someone could be conspiring against you.

Love, Ty.

On 2002-05-15 18:39, Kiff '61 wrote:
I think Jesse is T4T's new full-time Archivist. :smile:

Hmm... he's an Archivist and an Android; anyone want to go for a triple A? :smile:
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Not only was I born in 1984, but I even live in Room 101!

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On 2002-05-15 18:51, Ty Webb wrote:
Jesse, most of my friends parents are divorced. Alot of them have drug problems etc. They fit the late Xer bill in so many ways.
As for you, if you really don't see 1984 as being a different time to be born in then perhaps you are the start of the Millennials.
From my experience people born in 1978 identify as Gen X, about half of the people in 1979 identify as Gen Y, most people born in 80 identify as Gen Y, and almost all people in 81 identify as Gen Y.
If I could post interviews with my friends I would.
But being so close to the cusp, Ill fess up and say that im a cusper, and that familial, cultural, historical, and friendly bonds have drawn me into the Xer camp.

See you later.
TY.

Or maybe... just maybe... 81-84 is a separate unit onto itself (with edges stretching up to about 80-86) - I hope not (I hope that the later Millies follow our lead and make us TRUE "leading edge Millies) but I have a feeling that the distinction between 81-84 and more solidly Millie years will only become more obvious when members of the 87 cohort or later start posting (just compare my view of E2K with that of any post-86 Millie you know!)

Christ I can't believe kids born in 1986 and 1987 are now posting on this website.
Maybe it's time to retire.

Jesse:

I don't know how you dig all this crap up. Do you actually remember everything that was posted and when it was posted? Amazing. Anyway, with regard to this one post:

On 2002-05-15 19:16, Jesse Manoogian wrote:

I actually have everyone who used "whinge" in any circumstance written down on May 8 at 23:13.

I must have missed your post of 8 May the first time. Here it is for everybody's benefit:

According to Search, "whinge" or "whinging" have appeared in the notes of ten different posters: Virgil Saari, Tristan Jones, Marc Lamb, David Krein, Susan Brombacher, Jenny Genser, Barbara, Terminator X, HopefulCynic and cbailey. With HopefulCynic and cbailey, the word "whinge" only appeared in material they were quoting inside quote bars in their notes, so cross them off the list. David, Susan and Jenny only used the word "whinge" in notes that asked about the word "whinge" or explained it, after somebody else posted a note in that topic using the term. Barbara's only use was right after someone else used the word "whinge" in quoted material. That leaves four posters (Virgil Saari, Tristan Jones, Marc Lamb and Terminator X (this was the name he chose to use for this particular post)), who have the word as part of their active vocabulary.

Excellent detective work! Again, I don't know how you do it. But let us definitively list our four semifinalists:

Virgil Saari
Tristan Jones
Marc Lamb
Terminator X

The poster implicitly admitted in his post that he was a Boomer or older (right after having claimed to be an Xer...and no doubt right after another belt of whiskey). That eliminates Xers Tristan Jones and Terminator X from contention. Don't worry, guys, the girls backstage have consolation prizes for you! But that leaves us with our two finalists (drumroll):

Virgil Saari
Marc Lamb

I think at this point we ought to go to a bikini round in order to better judge our two finalists. Enjoy this word from our sponsor as the girls get changed (applause and fade out music).

On 2002-05-15 22:24, Xer of Evil wrote:
Oh my, when was reading that I thought that you wanted to put Virgil and Marc in bikinis.

XoE

:lol:

On 2002-05-15 22:24, Xer of Evil wrote:

Oh my, when was reading that I thought that you wanted to put Virgil and Marc in bikinis.

XoE

Well, it is structured similar to a beauty contest. However I suspect that Virgil might put up quite a fight before getting in that bikini. By the way, I don't want to look so you be the judge.

Did I hear bikini contest?


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Here come da judge... :smile:

On 2002-05-15 21:42, Stonewall Patton wrote:

Virgil Saari
Marc Lamb

I think at this point we ought to go to a bikini round in order to better judge our two finalists.

Mr. Patton, I await your funding of my waxing (it will not be an inexpensive item) and my costume (something in Sabre-Toothed tiger, considering my paleo-ways; again not inexpensive). I would be happy with just a monokini, but as Mr. Patton has a stated preference for bandeaus on males; who would be so cruel as to deny him in this tolerant age.

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On 2002-05-04 20:05, IntestOPurge wrote:
god (i will NOT use a capital G)--You think anyone who isn't an X'er is a clueless dork.... You give X'ers the bad reputation as whining do-nothings we already have and don't need more of. You're like a stereotype, no a CARTOON of a whinging slacker. You're like an annoying insect. That's not because of you being an X'er. It has to do with you being mentally disturbed or something. You're not doing any X'er here (or anyone else) a favor.

I send this to the detective bureau...a clue deliberately missed that we. HTH

Well....I think it was Stonewall.

a little info on my "Star Wars Generation"
http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/3271063.htm

On 2002-05-16 06:16, Virgil K. Saari wrote:

I would be happy with just a monokini, but as Mr. Patton has a stated preference for bandeaus on males; who would be so cruel as to deny him in this tolerant age.

Ooof, harsh, Mr. Saari! Actually, my stated preference was to excuse myself and go barf (note: not look) while a female such as XoE did the judging. But that was a very good comeback, Mr. Saari. Now excuse me while I go barf from just reading this! :wink:

On 2002-05-16 07:10, Ty Webb wrote:

Well....I think it was Stonewall.

Very funny. Now you be the ball.

On 2002-05-16 08:15, Stonewall Patton wrote:

On 2002-05-16 06:16, Virgil K. Saari wrote:

I would be happy with just a monokini, but as Mr. Patton has a stated preference for bandeaus on males; who would be so cruel as to deny him in this tolerant age.

Ooof, harsh, Mr. Saari! Actually, my stated preference was to excuse myself and go barf (note: not look) while a female such as XoE did the judging. But that was a very good comeback, Mr. Saari.

Here is the image Mr. Patton seeks: think of a rather slim hirsute Boomer guy with a "farmer tan" costumed as was the beautiful Ms. Welch in One Million Years B.C..


Mr. Marc Lamb and his tights haven't a chance. HTH

On 2002-05-16 14:06, Virgil K. Saari wrote:

Here is the image Mr. Patton seeks: think of a rather slim hirsute Boomer guy with a "farmer tan" costumed as was the beautiful Ms. Welch in One Million Years B.C..

Mr. Saari, you sound like a man of experience. Hehe. Not that there's anything wrong with that....


Hold on! I know who you are from your description, Mr. Saari! You're the guy with no teeth in Deliverance. You know, the guy who was saying, "You're a fat piggy, ain't ye. But ya got a mighty purty mouth."

:lol: :lol: :lol:


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On 2002-05-16 06:32, Virgil K. Saari wrote:

On 2002-05-04 20:05, IntestOPurge wrote:
god (i will NOT use a capital G)--You think anyone who isn't an X'er is a clueless dork.... You give X'ers the bad reputation as whining do-nothings we already have and don't need more of. You're like a stereotype, no a CARTOON of a whinging slacker. You're like an annoying insect. That's not because of you being an X'er. It has to do with you being mentally disturbed or something. You're not doing any X'er here (or anyone else) a favor.

I send this to the detective bureau...a clue deliberately missed that we. HTH

http://www.fourthturning.com/forums/...ic=367&forum=6
"Here's one way it affected me:

Between 1993, when I bought the book, and 1999, every time I'd read the section in Generations about the Boomer personality, I'd get very angry about the personality of my wife, born 1948. She is now my ex-wife and I'm dating a fellow cusper, born 1964. The 13er in me is much happier."
- Vince Lamb '59

Old enough to view a 79er as an older authority figure would, young enough to consider one's self to have Xr elements, and likely believes in large generational cusps (which, in another border, could just as easily include 1979 and 1984 in the same way that his includes 1959 and 1964)

Or am I just turning into Manoogian?

Justin, I think you were talking about a 3T transition period somewhere this morning. Now that I have a chance, let me say that surely you are correct...and I guess William is already ahead of me here judging from his post above. How long was the last transition from 2T to 3T? I would have to say that it began in 1979 with the hostage crisis. And I would say that it was complete with the Grenada invasion of 1983 (at which point all those military and short-haired assassin (robotic or otherwise) movies issued forth). So I see the transition from 1979 to 1983 with 1978 solidly 2T and 1984 solidly 3T.

As far as the last 1T/2T transition goes, William or someone wrote that the 2T did not fully arrive until 1967 or 1968. I guess he might date the transition from 1963 to 1967. Possibly, but 1964 was a year of such great change (e.g. with the Beatles and haircuts) following in the wake of such a traumatic event as Kennedy's assassination, that I have to wonder if we were not irrevocably in 2T then as S&H assert. Indeed it has been discussed that a number of historians date the beginning of the 2T to 1960. Could the transition be 1960 to 1963 with 1959 fully 1T and 1964 fully 2T (or something very close)? I do know that my Silent parents relate to the music which came before 1964 and not with the music which came after, if that is any indication. I tend to think that we were fully in 2T in 1964.

Then again, with a clear catalyst, there may be no real transition. The Iran hostage crisis could have served as a 3T catalyst but it arrived prematurely. Thus there was a transition until the mood and turning equalized in 1983. I am just not sure that there is necessarily a real transition at every turn.

Honestly the discussion was stylistically, and cultural as well.
Sure 1964 came, but if you look at my Mother's 1965 high school yearbook NOBODY looks 2T. they all still have that early 60s vibe. I bet Herb Alpert was on everyone's record players.
When she graduated high school "Wooly Bully" was the big song.
There were slight stirrings about Vietnam and some kids that had started smoking pot, but hey The Beatles at that point were singing "I Wanna Hold Your Hand."
It wasn't until late 1966 that "Tommorrow Never Knows" and Revolver came out.
After that with the Summer of Love the Awakening truly blossomed.
Then it turned sour with the Carter recession and hostage crisis, but once again, just as it warmed up, it cooled down. With the failure of the ERA in 1982 (which was kind of like the culmination of the 2T) and the identification of AIDS in 1983 (the end of the sexual revolution) as well as the first prophets entering middle age, it was time to cool down. It was 3T time.

Studio 54 is a good barometer of the end of the Awakening, because that drugs, sex, disco thing was bumping well into the 80s. But by 1982-83 it had just burned out.