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Post#1301 at 05-25-2002 09:45 PM by Seminomad [at LA joined Nov 2001 #posts 2,379]
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I'm new here but I've been watching this forum for a while - what seems to be apparent is that although I feel like I belong to the same generation as those born a few years earlier I don't belong to the same gen as those a few years after me
(1, even 2 years I can see a few people but once you get to 3 forget it) - all those people who lump me in with people born five or more years after me are ridiculous (we may not be completely nomadic like those born in the late sixties, but those around my age are mostly so - those five years younger may have an occasional Nomad trait but they are pretty much completely Civic/Hero/Millies)







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On 2002-05-25 19:45, Agent 24601984 wrote:
I'm new here but I've been watching this forum for a while - what seems to be apparent is that although I feel like I belong to the same generation as those born a few years earlier I don't belong to the same gen as those a few years after me
(1, even 2 years I can see a few people but once you get to 3 forget it) - all those people who lump me in with people born five or more years after me are ridiculous (we may not be completely nomadic like those born in the late sixties, but those around my age are mostly so - those five years younger may have an occasional Nomad trait but they are pretty much completely Civic/Hero/Millies)
What year were you born? 1979, I bet. Right?







Post#1303 at 05-25-2002 09:54 PM by Seminomad [at LA joined Nov 2001 #posts 2,379]
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On 2002-05-25 19:48, Susan Brombacher wrote:
On 2002-05-25 19:45, Agent 24601984 wrote:
I'm new here but I've been watching this forum for a while - what seems to be apparent is that although I feel like I belong to the same generation as those born a few years earlier I don't belong to the same gen as those a few years after me
(1, even 2 years I can see a few people but once you get to 3 forget it) - all those people who lump me in with people born five or more years after me are ridiculous (we may not be completely nomadic like those born in the late sixties, but those around my age are mostly so - those five years younger may have an occasional Nomad trait but they are pretty much completely Civic/Hero/Millies)
What year were you born? 1979, I bet. Right?
that would be telling :smile:







Post#1304 at 05-25-2002 10:05 PM by Stonewall Patton [at joined Sep 2001 #posts 3,857]
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On 2002-05-25 19:45, Agent 24601984 wrote:
I'm new here but I've been watching this forum for a while - what seems to be apparent is that although I feel like I belong to the same generation as those born a few years earlier I don't belong to the same gen as those a few years after me
(1, even 2 years I can see a few people but once you get to 3 forget it) - all those people who lump me in with people born five or more years after me are ridiculous (we may not be completely nomadic like those born in the late sixties, but those around my age are mostly so - those five years younger may have an occasional Nomad trait but they are pretty much completely Civic/Hero/Millies)
Welcome back, William. (You did promise that you were changing your name at the end of May.)







Post#1305 at 05-25-2002 11:09 PM by wrstrutts [at Michigan, b. 1962 joined Apr 2002 #posts 139]
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On 2002-05-25 19:48, Susan Brombacher wrote:

What year were you born? 1979, I bet. Right?
1984 if I am reading it right. I would further guess that his birthday is June 24, 1984.
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Post#1306 at 05-26-2002 12:06 AM by Seminomad [at LA joined Nov 2001 #posts 2,379]
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Those are all interesting theories... I think I'll collect guesses for a little while longer before revealing both my identity and the meaning of my self-created agent number







Post#1307 at 05-26-2002 12:42 AM by Stonewall Patton [at joined Sep 2001 #posts 3,857]
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On 2002-05-25 22:06, Agent 24601984 wrote:

Those are all interesting theories... I think I'll collect guesses for a little while longer before revealing both my identity and the meaning of my self-created agent number.
Well, William, you provide your standard "Planet Saturn" reference which accompanies your "Taurean" business. But Taurus is from late April into May (I think?) so I do not see a clear indication of your birth month in the code. Or is it a stardate from the captain's log or something?







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Generations are lame. Let's party!







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But but but seriously folks..can you ever really assert that a 24 year old and a 29 year old in 2002 are in different generations?
I find that difficult to believe and would wholeheartedly enjoy your reasoning (based on some obscure memory of a gas line I bet) so I could laugh at your silliness. But whatever...smoke what you must, believe what you must.
Personally I think I'm gonna down a few.







Post#1310 at 05-26-2002 04:48 PM by Stonewall Patton [at joined Sep 2001 #posts 3,857]
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Here are some WW II draft laws which may help better define the GI/Silent boundary:

http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyhamilt/mi...WIIDraftQ.html

Introduction

The Selective Service System was started in 1940 as a peacetime draft. On 16 Oct 1940 the first required registration of all men between the age of 21 and 36 (inclusive) was performed. On 29 Oct 1940 a national lottery was held to determine the order in which the men would be considered for the draft. Each local draft board received an ordered list of men. As required by the state draft board, each local board would send out questionnaires to a required number of men from this list, starting from the beginning. The questionnaire would determine the individual's eligibility for military service. After receiving the questionnaire's and ranking the men into separate classes, the local board would then determine the list of selected men for induction, based upon their lottery order and eligibility. These men would then be sent to an induction station and would either be accepted or rejected by the armed forces. For every man rejected at the induction station, another alternate would be sent by the same local board as a replacement.

The following are the Selective Service System required draft registrations that I know of:

First registration was held on 16 Oct 1940 for all men 21 to 36 years of age.

Second registration was held on 1 Jul 1941 for all men who turned 21 since 16 Oct 1940.

Third registration was held on 14-16 Feb 1942 for all men who were 20 before 31 Dec 1941 and not older than 45 by 16 Feb 1942.

Fourth registration was held on 25-27 Apr 1942 for all men who turned 45 on or before 16 Feb 1942 and not older than 65 on or before 27 Apr 1942.

A registration was held on 30 Jun 1942 for all men born after 1 Jan 1922 and before 30 Jun 1924.

A registration was held in Dec 1942 for all men who turned 18 by 31 Dec 1942.

Starting on 1 Jan 1943, men are to register on their 18th birthday, or first business day after it, if it occurs on a weekend or holiday.

The first 4 registrations were labeled as such by the articles that I found that listed the requirements. The following three registrations did not indicate which one they were, thus there could be other registrations dates held that I do not have information on.

Many of those who were sent questionnaires were not drafted. Eligibility was based on marital status, whether they had children, their occupation and things such as disabilities, etc.. As the war progressed and the need for eligible men increased, the restrictions for eligibility were loosened. A man who was married might have been ineligible one year only to become eligible later in the war, etc..

In some cases, I also found lists of inductees which I have included here as well. Again, not all inductees would have been accepted by the armed forces. Of course, many men may well have enlisted voluntarily prior to being drafted. Some would have done this in their enthusiasm for fighting for their country and others might have done so in order to choose the branch of the service (such as Navy or Marines) that they wished to participate in. Thus, these lists do not provide names of soldiers, but rather names of individuals who were being considered for the draft and some of those who were inducted during 1941 and 1942.



In particular, there is the classic distinction between Jimmy Carter (01 Oct 24) who seems so clearly Silent and George Bush Sr. (12 Jun 1924) who seems more GI than Silent. If the draft laws played any role, then it likely lies with this particular one:

A registration was held on 30 Jun 1942 for all men born after 1 Jan 1922 and before 30 Jun 1924.

This is the particular registration which separated Bush Sr. as a GI from Carter as a Silent. Note that there was a later registration in Dec 1942 which caught Carter as well. But perhaps this 30 Jun 1942 registration really does define the difference for some reason, perhaps with respect to a differing mood or perception of success at the time of the registration.

Let's look at 1924 cohorts born before and after 30 June:


08-Jan-1924 Ron Moody
21-Jan-1924 Telly Savalas
08-Feb-1924 Audrey Meadows
19-Feb-1924 Lee Marvin
20-Feb-1924 Sidney Poitier
20-Feb-1924 Gloria Vanderbilt
27-Mar-1924 Sarah Vaughan
03-Apr-1924 Marlon Brando
03-Apr-1924 Doris Day
16-Apr-1924 Henry Mancini
20-Apr-1924 Nina Foch
01-May-1924 Terry Southern
02-May-1924 Theodore Bikel
21-May-1924 Peggy Cass
04-Jun-1924 Dennis Weaver
12-Jun-1924 George Bush
20-Jun-1924 Chet Atkins
20-Jun-1924 Audie Murphy
25-Jun-1924 Sidney Lumet


04-Jul-1924 Eva Marie Saint
16-Jul-1924 Bess Myerson
21-Jul-1924 Don Knotts
25-Jul-1924 Estelle Getty
02-Aug-1924 James Baldwin
02-Aug-1924 Carroll O?Connor
15-Aug-1924 Phyllis Schlafly
21-Aug-1924 Jack Weston
31-Aug-1924 Buddy Hackett
16-Sep-1924 Lauren Bacall
24-Sep-1924 Sheila MacRae
28-Sep-1924 Marcello Mastroianni
30-Sep-1924 Truman Capote
01-Oct-1924 Jimmy Carter
04-Oct-1924 Charlton Heston
10-Oct-1924 Edward D. Wood, Jr.
13-Oct-1924 Nipsey Russell
15-Oct-1924 Lee Iacocca
25-Oct-1924 Billy Barty
27-Oct-1924 Ruby Dee
06-Dec-1924 Wally Cox
25-Dec-1924 Rod Serling


I don't know. This is tough.







Post#1311 at 05-26-2002 06:49 PM by wrstrutts [at Michigan, b. 1962 joined Apr 2002 #posts 139]
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In response to your data on WWII draft laws, I know for a fact that my father born on Nov 14, 1904 was drafted into the US Army Air Corps in Feb of 1942 and served until the fall of 1943. He was a Staff Sargent and was assigned to Hamilton Field in California where he was an airplane mechanic. He trained new recruits into the maintenance of Air Planes for the Pacific fleet.

He was also heavily involved in the US labor movement in the 1930's. He was in the Flint Sitdown Strike of 1932 and 1937. The 1937 strike brought GM auto production to a halt and forced the company to sign a pact with the UAW. In the following years, the union strikes were just a threat to get GM to conceed more benefits to his generation. The next twenty years the Big Three auto companies gave a lot of ground to the union movements. The major benefits to the High was that other corporations non automotive related were forced to match benefits. The early Gen Xers heard of this contract with labor but were never to actually benefit from it. These benefits were gradually removed from the younger generations as corporations fought the battle with Japan Inc in the 1980's. The major effect of this this was for the younger generations to loose hope that they would ever benefit from the system and giving creedence to the Gen Xer cynicism. The GI's got the benefits and the younger generation lost out.

When the Gen Xers began entereing the work force in the mid-80's. It was a period of great generational divide in the economic realm. Those over 30, were firmly entrenced in the old system and were guaranteed good benefits and long term commitments. Those under 30, saw the great GI Social Safety net dismantled and the end of the FDR "New Deal". The old system was replaced by the laisez faire system of trickle down espoused by Ronald Reagan and the great decade where "greed is good". The effect of this was that corporations were no longer good citizens and began to reduce benefits with the blessing of the Reagan administration. For example, think of the airline strikes in the mid-80's where Ronald Regan basically fired the air traffic controllers union.

The effect of this new economic reality was that corporations no longer had to be good corporate citizens and began to downsize operations to maximize its profits. This great downsizing lead many younger boomers to the take entry level jobs that would normally be open for the upcoming college grads. The college grads then had to fill the positions normally filled by HS graduates and the HS graduates were out of work. Look at the statitistics of the mid-west states. The 80's saw the unemployment rate amoung under 30 people at an all time high. In Michigan, the over 30 unemployment rate was 11%. The under 30 was even more dramatic. The under 30 white unemployment rate was 30% while the black 20 year olds it was closer to 50%.

I don't ever recall this positive decade that many of you quote as being your 80's memories. It was a harsh decade for twenty somethings and the net result was that most of my peers became hard and cynical. You did what you had to do to survive and so we started our own business or we moved to where the jobs were. We became nomadic because we had to survive. That is what Reaganomics means to me.

The older employed boomers saw all of us college graduates working McJobs and called us slackers. They saw us living with parents still because we didn't make enough at McJob to afford our own place. They did not understand a system went awry and did not understand the new employment situation. My elder boomer siblings were often telling me how to run my life and that I should be more motivated. After a while, we tired of the boomer lectures and began tuning them out. Whatever became a way to dismiss their lectures. If we became cynical, it was because we saw the old rules slip away and the bar forever raised higher in the older gens favor.
Will Strutts - Whatever!
B: Sep 1962







Post#1312 at 05-26-2002 08:12 PM by Seminomad [at LA joined Nov 2001 #posts 2,379]
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Okay, so it's been nearly one day since I posted that initial message, so it's time to reveal myself.
Stonewall, you were right about my identity (I AM Mmailliw Nosreyem; you may know me better as mmailliw or William '84); however, you weren't right about the number.
Susan, you fell directly into my trap :smile:!
Will, you got the 1984 part right at least - however, you too were stumped by the 2460.
Here is the creation of my agent number:
24601 = Jean Valjean's prison number in Les Miserables
1984 = Orwellian title and my birthyear
Combine them (condensed so that the 1 can be used by both) and you get 24601984!
And the saturn part: that's not for my sign but based on my being told that "the turnings may be different on saturn" :smile:
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Personally i would have chosen six-double five-three-two-one for my prison number.







Post#1314 at 05-26-2002 10:43 PM by wrstrutts [at Michigan, b. 1962 joined Apr 2002 #posts 139]
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On 2002-05-26 18:12, Agent 24601984 wrote:

Will, you got the 1984 part right at least - however, you too were stumped by the 2460.
Well there is no way I could have gotten that number then since I never have read Les Miserables.
Will Strutts - Whatever!
B: Sep 1962







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Would it be appropriate for the webmaster to add this item to the FAQ section?

THESE ARE YOUR SYBIL MIRANDA RIGHTS

1. You have the right to multiple personalities and/or screen-names.
2. You have the right to change personalities/screen-name at any time without telling anyone.
3. If you desire multiple personalities/screen-names, but can not afford them, two (or more) will appointed for you.
Learn from other people's mistakes. If you try to make them all yourself, you won't live very long. -- skydiving instructor







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On 2002-05-27 07:37, earthbound wrote:
Would it be appropriate for the webmaster to add this item to the FAQ section?

THESE ARE YOUR SYBIL MIRANDA RIGHTS

1. You have the right to multiple personalities and/or screen-names.
2. You have the right to change personalities/screen-name at any time without telling anyone.
3. If you desire multiple personalities/screen-names, but can not afford them, two (or more) will appointed for you.
:lol:







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Today Bob Dole described the soldiers fighting in Afghanistan as Generation Xers.
Im wondering if this is an adaptive war.







Post#1318 at 05-28-2002 02:04 AM by Jessie74 [at New Jersey joined Aug 2001 #posts 59]
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On 2002-05-26 16:49, wrstrutts wrote:
In response to your data on WWII draft laws, I know for a fact that my father born on Nov 14, 1904 was drafted into the US Army Air Corps in Feb of 1942 and served until the fall of 1943. He was a Staff Sargent and was assigned to Hamilton Field in California where he was an airplane mechanic. He trained new recruits into the maintenance of Air Planes for the Pacific fleet.

He was also heavily involved in the US labor movement in the 1930's. He was in the Flint Sitdown Strike of 1932 and 1937. The 1937 strike brought GM auto production to a halt and forced the company to sign a pact with the UAW. In the following years, the union strikes were just a threat to get GM to conceed more benefits to his generation. The next twenty years the Big Three auto companies gave a lot of ground to the union movements. The major benefits to the High was that other corporations non automotive related were forced to match benefits. The early Gen Xers heard of this contract with labor but were never to actually benefit from it. These benefits were gradually removed from the younger generations as corporations fought the battle with Japan Inc in the 1980's. The major effect of this this was for the younger generations to loose hope that they would ever benefit from the system and giving creedence to the Gen Xer cynicism. The GI's got the benefits and the younger generation lost out.

When the Gen Xers began entereing the work force in the mid-80's. It was a period of great generational divide in the economic realm. Those over 30, were firmly entrenced in the old system and were guaranteed good benefits and long term commitments. Those under 30, saw the great GI Social Safety net dismantled and the end of the FDR "New Deal". The old system was replaced by the laisez faire system of trickle down espoused by Ronald Reagan and the great decade where "greed is good". The effect of this was that corporations were no longer good citizens and began to reduce benefits with the blessing of the Reagan administration. For example, think of the airline strikes in the mid-80's where Ronald Regan basically fired the air traffic controllers union.

The effect of this new economic reality was that corporations no longer had to be good corporate citizens and began to downsize operations to maximize its profits. This great downsizing lead many younger boomers to the take entry level jobs that would normally be open for the upcoming college grads. The college grads then had to fill the positions normally filled by HS graduates and the HS graduates were out of work. Look at the statitistics of the mid-west states. The 80's saw the unemployment rate amoung under 30 people at an all time high. In Michigan, the over 30 unemployment rate was 11%. The under 30 was even more dramatic. The under 30 white unemployment rate was 30% while the black 20 year olds it was closer to 50%.

I don't ever recall this positive decade that many of you quote as being your 80's memories. It was a harsh decade for twenty somethings and the net result was that most of my peers became hard and cynical. You did what you had to do to survive and so we started our own business or we moved to where the jobs were. We became nomadic because we had to survive. That is what Reaganomics means to me.

The older employed boomers saw all of us college graduates working McJobs and called us slackers. They saw us living with parents still because we didn't make enough at McJob to afford our own place. They did not understand a system went awry and did not understand the new employment situation. My elder boomer siblings were often telling me how to run my life and that I should be more motivated. After a while, we tired of the boomer lectures and began tuning them out. Whatever became a way to dismiss their lectures. If we became cynical, it was because we saw the old rules slip away and the bar forever raised higher in the older gens favor.
Wow.

Quite a post. I've been trying to read the threads to catch up, but I keep reading silliness between Justin and someone else.

I think everything you said in that message was right on. I was one of those many teens competing with the college grads, college students, or 20 somethings for the crappy jobs in the late 1980s. This went on until, at least, 1994 in my area.

You did what you could to get a job, and that often meant getting the newspaper before dawn to be one of the first applicants, or lining up outside stores like Pathmark before they opened so you could one of the first applicants they would see. All for the honor of working a register, waiting tables, or stacking fruit for minimum wage. (It freaking cracks me up when I have to deal with 22 year olds at work who come in late because they just "can't get up". Give me a break.) I could go on about HS kids, and employers technically breaking state labor laws by having teenagers pumping gas, or boxing candy at 3:00 in the morning, but you get the idea.

I know it was a recession, but many times when I think back, it was more like a depression for young people. College aged, and older (like my brother) still living home because they couldn't really go anywhere. No money for them. Parents were short of money. Most of my friends, me included, had to pay for things that todays 23 y.o.'s and younger think are givens today. Whether it was tickets to the dance, school clothes, extra food (sad, but true), cable tv, paying for your own college classes, and in one friend's case, she had to help with rent because her parents weren't making enough money. I could mention this to the 22 y.o.'s I have to deal with, but I'd probably just get back a blank stare. They had their own video games, tvs, vcrs, and computers in their rooms. Oh well.

Perhaps a line can be drawn between those who were old enough to remember the benefits that were given to the older generations in the work force, and those who never saw them. One is a bit more bitter at what was taken away, and the other is more mercenary; trying to bleed what they can before they are pushed out. Both sides are leagues away from the young applicants coming through my office every day. Spoiled. Spoiled. Spoiled.










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all of that must have really sucked except for one thing... there were late night jobs you could get packing candy at 3 am? there are NO late jobs where i live... and i'm totally nocturnal!







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On 2002-05-28 00:48, Agent 24601984 wrote:
all of that must have really sucked except for one thing... there were late night jobs you could get packing candy at 3 am? there are NO late jobs where i live... and i'm totally nocturnal!
Yes.

In my area, there was the "candy place". It had round the clock shifts packing (Mars) candy into boxes for shipment around the country. It was in Lakewood, NJ. It may still be there. Anyone know?

From what I remember, they had quotas and deadlines. If you were lucky, you could work the shift that started after school let out. If you weren't, then the *only* shift available was the midnight shift. Working after midnight when you were under 18 (16?) was illegal.

If you didn't have a car, it was the place of last resort because it was a ways off and you needed a dependable ride to get there. Although, as a perk, the people were always stealing candy.








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Hi!







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Oh I am totally spoiled. The only economic crap I remember from that 1988-1993 period was that my Dad kept either getting laid off or quitting his jobs. We didn't have the same luxuries we had in the 80s, which in my family, were good economic times, at least between 1983 and 1987. But my Dad held down some odd jobs in the mean time, and I mean odd. My brother was always working since he was 15. I was reminded of this always because he was good and I am bad (lazy, slacker, etc.) He was allowed to stay at home until he was 25, but I am feeling the heat and I've been out of college for a week.My cousin is 24 and he is the same except he hasn't finished college. He doesn't go to work because he "can't get up." I hope you enjoy that :smile:
But I have lots of friends who had nothing, who had parents who abused them and who drank their salaries away, making them behave much like you had to. So I'd feel insulted for them If I was your stereotypical person "my age."
Of course it's ok to be a true Gen Xer and do such things like get a McJob after college. But that's not ok for me. Its not ok for me to dick around in jobs that go nowhere and go to raves on the weekend because for some reason my parents (neither of whom really graduated college) expect something from me. Why? Why are they so weird?
Im feeling the limited tolerance Im getting. And like my BA will do anything for me, yeah right. You guys can all take your MAs and PHDs and take my job please.
But you know what, that's just a job.
There are plenty of more interesting things to do like be in a band or slit your throat or draw cartoons. Hell you could always sell crack...that's always in demand. And at least if youre a woman you can prostitute yourself. (Yes, this is my bizarre sense of humour taking over, I apologize)
Think jobs, jobs, jobs......

I know that when I was getting jobs in the mid-90s I had to work to find one I wanted to work at. I originally got a job at a supermarket, but I didn't want to pay any money to a union, so instead I chose to work at a record store. These days there are help wanted signs everywhere, or at least there were a summer or two ago. Jobs for high school students were everywhere. I am told this is because the zero tolerance/academic pressure has kids not taking jobs so it does not hinder their "performance."
I wish it was socially acceptable for me to have jobs like real Gen Xers.
But here's my beef with the real Gen Xers.
Why didn't you just enjoy it while you had it? I'm just like you, I bitch and moan about life until I realize it was ok as opposed to what is coming.
My friends that are a few years older than me, they worked in book stores, hair salons..all sorts of places their whole lives. They had an apartment with their friends and they manage to eek out some good times for themselves.
Do you think us blessed academic children will have such leeway in guiding our own lives? Our lives aren't about finding ourselves, or happiness. We have psychotic, nazi-like parents who thought it was ok to drive a VW microbus for ten years and smoke dope, but won't tolerate any of that behavior from their juniors that know the system sucks. And I hate them for it. I despise the word "college."
So why bother participating in something that is going to fuck you no matter what?
Even if I play the game I'll get no benefits and get raped anyways.
But the villains are not my parents or me or you.
They are Ronald Reagan, and Bill Clinton, and anybody that decided giving corporations total control was going to help Americans in anyway. All they do is downsize, lay off American workers, get some 13 year old Filipino chicks to do the work. Corporations are chartered by the state to work for the people. Back prior to the 1890s you could cancel a corporate charter if they failed to serve the American people, but it doesn't work that way anymore. Their impact on the electoral system and on our economic status has wrenched all remaining optimism from me that doesn't have to do with destroying many of them at such vantage points.
And its not only economic its psychological, having without the ability to resist to down all their advertisements...to tell women to starve and shave themselves, to tell men to starve and shave themselves...all they do is beat you over the head as if your personal space doesn't matter. Why do you think Fight Club was so cathartic. Because its true, somedays I really feel like blowing some shit up.
phew....Oh well, that was enough expression for one day. Enjoy.
Ty.










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Well maybe it wasn't enough, I'm still pissed off.
I don't know what "generation" I fall under according to whomever's opinions or demographics, frankly I don't care because it probably won't matter that much for some guy born on November 20, 1979 vs. November 20, 1969 or November 20, 1989.
Hell, 1979 is the new 1959 or 1939 :smile:
All I know is that political parties, unions, "things that work"
I'm not going to make them work again. I'm too self absorbed, fucked up, impatient, lazy. My mind doesn't work organizationally. I guess Im good at bullshitting, as it got me through college, but I mean, if some of you think youre looking at the future of America, look a little younger. My peers are just like me with a few psychotic exceptions you might find at the Ivies...actually I'm out of college. Shit.
Yes my peers are aged 22-29. So check it.
I'm not going to do anything for America, just like I did nothing for my college, nothing for my high school, and couldn't stand to have anything to do with most organizations or institutions I had anything to do with.
I came to work late, you want to know why? Because I really didn't care about me or my job. I don't care. If everybody else's slacker ass wasn't rolling thru that door at 8:30, neither was mine. I have more respect for the integrity of my mental well being than for some click and type job.
Ok it seems my angst is receeding. i should be ok...I think Im going to eat breakfast.
Ty.







Post#1324 at 05-28-2002 03:52 PM by Jessie74 [at New Jersey joined Aug 2001 #posts 59]
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05-28-2002, 03:52 PM #1324
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Jeez Ty, you sound like a Boomer raging against "the man". Chill out.

The problems we have had with people in the office born after 1978 is real. And just to clarify, I know people of all ages can be lazy moochers. No one generation has the monopoly on that type of behavior. But when you're in a position to train, and deal with people of all ages, sometimes a pattern hits you in the freakin head. The HRS finally stopped the "We hire new college grads" BS and replaced it with "3 years experience required"

After going through 9 people for 2 positions in the last year and a half, the slots were filled by a 1971er and 1976er. Hasn't been a problem since.

Although, in the end, it's just a another personal experience. Could mean nothing. Maybe it's all just a cosmic joke.










Post#1325 at 05-28-2002 04:02 PM by Jessie74 [at New Jersey joined Aug 2001 #posts 59]
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I found this article about marketing cohorts. Here's the link for anyone who wants to take a look;

http://www.som.umass.edu/som/dev/com...th/schewe.html

It might explain the 1965-1976 boundary that pops up every now and then for Xers. They must get those numbers from somewhere. Here's an excerpt;

"It?s a mistake, notes Schewe, to equate cohorts with generations, which are defined by when one begets children. ?Cohort boundaries are strictly defined by external events,? he emphasizes."

If this is a widespread marketing practice, then the 1965-1976 isn't a generational boundary the way we think it is, but a marketing range made up by advertisers.
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