Yup, every job I look at wants "3 years experience."
Nobody wants to hire or train me anymore. So who's lazier, you or me?
Well whatever. Hopefully my friend Jamie, who was born exactly one year before me will do a better job than I will because of...well I really don't know why. I can't really put a finger on anything. I've got people born in 1974 telling me Gen X is over in 1978, people born in 1980 telling me Gen X is over in 1980, people born in 1984 telling me Gen X is over in 1985. I mean when it comes to the boundaries how can you place them.
I liken myself to a turkey who just isn't roasted enough to be a full fledged Millennial. And don't think Boomers wanted to off the man Jesse, that's a stereotype. Most Boomers are conformists that followed whatever was in style.
It was Huey Newton and Bobby Seale (born in 1942 and 1937 respectively) who first started calling police officers "the pig."


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Thanks for the link Jessie...looks like these people too are calling my cohorts Generation "N"...that seems to be getting more popular. But if "9-11" was a defining moment, which it is, then does that mean that this so-called "Gen-N" will be a very short generation according to them, lasting say, from 1977 to 1981 (since the Internet explosion in 1996, cut off 1976 and 1977 according to these guys, so "9-11", which occurred five years after 1996, would be a 1981/1982 demarcation for the next generation)?

By the way, Jessie, I'm wondering why you think that the attitudes of kids born after 1978 were "strange" to you...isn't it true that the classes of '98, '99 and '00, which make up a whole lot of '75-'78 cohorts were the ones demanding all the money and all the perks for their big-ol' Bachelor's degree?

I don't know. I went on a school trip senior year of high school with all class of 2000 kids and I just knew then that I was in the elder generation, despite me being younger and more um...idealistic than them.
I mean, I don't have much of a culture, and what culture I do have is known as "Gen X" culture. Anytime I watch South Park, I feel like it is special in that only my generation can catch all of the references. I read SPIN magazine, and I get all the inside Gen X jokes, even this whole Internet, with sites like The Onion and all sorts of things I feel is made for me and by my generation.
This generation just happens to include alot of people born in the 60s and 70s, including myself. So yes, I guess I am a Gen Xer. Not a pierced self mutilating one, or a tattooed sky diving one, just a mopey dopey soap on a ropey type of one. As my 1971 brother calls me..."the last of the last."
As for you Miss Anthrope, I've been out of school for a week and I already feel like a colossal failure. I think even if I climbed Mt. Wachusett I'd still feel like a total failure.


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On 2002-05-28 06:47, jds1958xg wrote:
Ah, deja vu! From what I can gather, it was last wave Boomers (like me) and first wave X-ers that got hit with the *worst* of Reaganomics (and too many of them *liked* the guy!) and corporate anorexia in the 80's and early 90's. I know that once I found a job I was reasonably happy with in late '93, I was NOT disposed to keep looking or move on until last year, when I moved to another state, to get married.

Funny, I got my first real job in Nov 1994 working as a contract programmer. I have yet to work for a major corporation directly. I am just the hired gun that can be let go at a moments notice whenever I become an inconvenience to the powers that be.

Reaganomics sucked and the worse part was that most of my college peers voted for him in 1980 and 1984. We only wanted one thing: a career. Screw the political idealism. If Ronnie could create jobs then they were all for him. Unfortunately, my prior remarks are what actually occured. Survival was the key to the 80's for me and that meant that you became a nomad. I hoped from one job to the next thinking that if I could just get in a position where I could gain some experience in my field that I might break into my career. My first career break was to work as an assistant manager/sales clerk/tech support guy for Radio Shack Computer Center. It was this experience that got me in the door in 1994 as a spreadsheet/database entry guy which I grew into a real programming position. Once the client discovered my real talents, he put them to good use. :smile: Until 2001, my career took off after that until due to the recession, I found myself working retail again. :sad: However, I am back on track again in 2002.

I tried to look for a summer job in april... the job search totally sucked (many jobs had the tagline "long hours, no pay"; i'm ending up working for minimum wage doing a math tutorial in july) - jobs are much harder after the bush II recession

William, you're at Jahvahd....what is the mood of the class of 2002 (sans those grad school bound)? I assume that Jarvard got passed over the Recessionette pretty much unscathed...

Those I knew (as I managed JV hockey) seemed to have LOTS of trouble finding jobs too... many 05ers had no trouble because they started searching for jobs ridiculously early (I started searching in early april thinking that would be MORE than early enough... some jobs had an application deadline of 10/15!)

Those I knew (as I managed JV hockey) seemed to have LOTS of trouble finding jobs too... many 05ers had no trouble because they started searching for jobs ridiculously early (I started searching in early april thinking that would be MORE than early enough... then I found that some summer jobs had an application deadline of 10/15!)

I was class of 02. The economy has been pretty bleak so far. there were alot of wisecracks about not getting a job at commencement. But I wouldnt ask William, Mark. Class of 02 is out of bizness. we graduated. It's all over.
Maybe you can ask my 1978 and 1979 friends how the class of 2003 is feeling :lol:

On 2002-05-28 14:03, Ty Webb wrote:
. And don't think Boomers wanted to off the man Jesse, that's a stereotype. Most Boomers are conformists that followed whatever was in style.
It was Huey Newton and Bobby Seale (born in 1942 and 1937 respectively) who first started calling police officers "the pig."


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Okay, so first you say that the class of 65 activists who were the leaders were boomers (that's where you draw the divide!), then you say that boomers are generally conformists that follow whatever's in style (and therefore obviously NOT leaders) ... which is it?

Jesse, one distinction Ive noticed between people born in the 70s (us) and people born in the 80s is that people born in the 80s have no concept of the 60s. Everything from the 60s becomes 70s. The Monkees? A 70s TV show (it ran from 66-68) They don't seem to grasp this. I can't figure it out.

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Jesse, one distinction Ive noticed between people born in the 70s (us) and people born in the 80s is that people born in the 80s have no concept of the 60s. Everything from the 60s becomes 70s. The Monkees? A 70s TV show (it ran from 66-68) They don't seem to grasp this. I can't figure it out.


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Is some late sixties TV show about characters which are still popular in the seventies really all that obviously Sixties? Closer to home, is the 1992 Crystal Coke really obviously Nineties instead of Eighties? There is some blurring near the end of the decades... to me the 60s is the decade which had the activism and the advent of the Beatles and generation gap (it's the active counterpart to the more static 70s)

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On 2002-05-29 22:59, Ty Webb wrote:
Jesse, one distinction Ive noticed between people born in the 70s (us) and people born in the 80s is that people born in the 80s have no concept of the 60s. Everything from the 60s becomes 70s. The Monkees? A 70s TV show (it ran from 66-68) They don't seem to grasp this. I can't figure it out.


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It's probably because people born in the 80s would have no point of reference for comparison. Someone born in the 70s would remember at least PART of the 70s (unless they were born in the last 2 years of the decade), and so still be able to make that distinction. The 60s and 70s melds together into a single "Awakening" unit without a first and last wave. Even though someone born in the 80s may not remember much of the 80s, it's in a different turning altogether so has that distinction, at least.

It's like how the 30s and 40s might appear to someone born in the 50s (me). Until I read S&H, the 30s and 40s always just sort of melded together in my mind as one unit without a first or last wave. The reason the 50s seem to have more distinction even though I have no memories of that decade is because the country had entered a High and thus is easy to distinguish from the 30s and 40s (the Crisis).

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Jesse, one distinction Ive noticed between people born in the 70s (us) and people born in the 80s is that people born in the 80s have no concept of the 60s. Everything from the 60s becomes 70s. The Monkees? A 70s TV show (it ran from 66-68) They don't seem to grasp this. I can't figure it out.


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Is some late sixties TV show about characters which are still popular in the seventies really all that obviously Sixties? Closer to home, is the 1992 Crystal Coke really obviously Nineties instead of Eighties? There is some blurring near the end of the decades... to me the 60s is the decade which had the activism and the advent of the Beatles and generation gap (it's the active counterpart to the more static 70s)

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The monkees wasn't really all that popular in the 70's. It hit the rerun market in the 80's for some reason.

>>The monkees wasn't really all that popular in the 70's. It hit the rerun market in the 80's for some reason.>>

Yup, it was on MTV or Nickelodeon in the mid 80s and coincided with a Monkees comeback special in 86. A girl my age won a trip to go see the Monkees and meet them and when they asked her who her favorite group was she said "The Bangles" hahahahahahah.
Ty has a good memory.
Susan, I guess you are right.
The thing is as a very young child I got to watch the transition from the 70s to 80s.
I got to watch Dukes of Hazzard, Happy Days, MASH, Threes Company all go off the air and be replaced by the likes on Santa Barbara, Simon and Simon, the Cosby Show and Miami Vice.
I got to listen to Journey and Steely Dan get replaced by Sade and Huey Lewis.
I also used to watch shows like "Good Times" and "Whats Happening".
So even I had a good reference point for what was 70s and what wasn't.

Hey, what's happened to Ty Webb? I haven't seen any posts of his in about 3 days and I don't see any "new" posters here who sound like just him.

On 2002-06-02 12:35, Susan Brombacher wrote:
Hey, what's happened to Ty Webb? I haven't seen any posts of his in about 3 days and I don't see any "new" posters here who sound like just him.

Have you been looking on the "Generation Less" thread?

Anyway... I FINALLY found something which has changed to cater to early 80s babies - the Baltimore rock station WIYY (97.9, or 98 Rock) has started to play a lot of 90s rock to try and attract those born in the late 70s and early 80s (meanwhile, WHFS - 99.1 - has pretty much stopped playing most 90s music)

On 2002-06-02 22:18, Xer of Evil wrote:

On 2002-06-02 14:20, Agent 24601984 wrote:
Anyway... I FINALLY found something which has changed to cater to early 80s babies - the Baltimore rock station WIYY (97.9, or 98 Rock) has started to play a lot of 90s rock to try and attract those born in the late 70s and early 80s (meanwhile, WHFS - 99.1 - has pretty much stopped playing most 90s music)

Just wait ... before you know it, your favorite music will be heard on the "oldies" stations.

XoE

Nooooo! It can't be! I'm still a teenager! :smile:

I submit the following to the multiple personality investigators:

Consider the following similarities between James Landau and Jesse Manoogian -
A) Both were born in late Xer years according to S&H
B) Neither finds a real generation gap between themselves and those several years older or younger
C) Both are fairly anarchistic Nomads with some Civic traits
D) Both are from southern California
E) Both have birthdays and graduation years that suggest being held back or starting late (the legal school entry cutoff in southern California is December 2nd!)
F) Both were high academic achievers until their mid teens (James was nearly 15 when he made it to the national spelling bee!) at which point they became slackers
G) Both agree with Craig '84 that there was a strong alternative/Gen X rock scene even going up to the late nineties
H) Both are VERY articulate writers whose posts are in a very similar style (persuasive argument using facts and intuition)

Also consider that Jesse started posting around November 2001, which is shortly after James stopped posting...

"We have had thirteen States independent for eleven
years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one
rebellion in a century and a half, for each State."
One of my favorite quotes from one of my favorite political philosophers (quite possibly a mathematical justification of 'whatever')... Nomad or Hero?

Heres a Silent take on the Awakening, by Frank Zappa (1940-93)


What's there to live for?
Who needs the peace corps?

Think I'll just DROP OUT
I'll go to Frisco
Buy a wig & sleep
On Owsley's floor

Walked past the wig store
Danced at the Fillmore
I'm completely stoned
I'm hippy & I'm trippy
I'm a gypsy on my own
I'll stay a week & get the crabs &
Take a bus back home
I'm really just a phony
But forgive me
'Cause I'm stoned

Every town must have a place
Where phony hippies meet
Psychedelic dungeons
Popping up every street
GO TO SAN FRANCISCO

How I love ya, How I love ya
How I love ya, How I love ya Frisco!
How I love ya, How I love ya
How I love ya, How I love ya
Oh, my hair is getting good in the back! Every town must have a place
Where phony hippies meet
Psychedelic dungeons
Popping up on every street
GO TO SAN FRANCISCO...

Hotcha!

First I'll buy some beads
And then perhaps a leather band
To go around my head
Some feathers and bells
And a book of Indian lure
I will ask the Chamber Of Commerce
How to get to Height Street
And smoke an awful lot of dope

I will wander around barefoot
I will have a psychedelic gleam in my eye at all times
I will love everyone
I will love the police as they kick the shit out of me on the street
I will sleep...
I will, I will go to a house
That's, that's what I will do
I will go to a house
Where there's a rock roll band
'Cause the groups all live together
And I will join a rock & roll band
I will be their road manager
And I will stay there with them
And I will get the crabs
But I won't care

I never knew Frank Zappa was a Silent!

If you were 23 and married in 1963 (or 21 and married like Jerry Garcia or 24 and married like Grace Slick)
I think you qualify as a Silent.

I was with children and adults of all ages today.
I am in the 70s wave. I see no difference between myself and a 27 year old at all.