Today the Senior girls of the class of 2003 rode through town with their cars covered with glitter and signs, and their faces painted with school colours. These girls were likely born 1984-85, and represent a clear departure from the "school spirit crisis" that was afflicting the very same high school when the troublesome 1977-1980 cohorts were in it, and especially the years before I got there, when the 1975-78 group was in.
School spirit is apparently cool again.

On 2002-06-12 13:45, Pika wrote:
Today the Senior girls of the class of 2003 rode through town with their cars covered with glitter and signs, and their faces painted with school colours. These girls were likely born 1984-85, and represent a clear departure from the "school spirit crisis" that was afflicting the very same high school when the troublesome 1977-1980 cohorts were in it, and especially the years before I got there, when the 1975-78 group was in.
School spirit is apparently cool again.

Are you saying that Bo doesn't know those girls? :lol:

It was rather porno like to see about 20 senior girls in tank tops walking into a deli.
I'm sure Bo will know these girls by the end of their senior year.

On 2002-05-23 11:05, Justin '79 wrote:

When I was in school a very, very small amount of our teachers were "Xers". Those that were had only been there a year or two and had much in common with the students, who were often only 3-5 years younger than them. We could bring things up like Bruce Springsteen

Yeah, there was that special coolness around a teacher who was an Xer (like she was one of a new crop of young teachers; you could tell it was kind of a "new project" to have them around); they were very unlike Boomers (who were often rule fiends who hated their students and couldn't stand to see the name of Zero Tolerance smeared) and Silents (old, generic, professor-like) or even the occasional G.I. from elementary school or high school (wanting to be your grandmom or granddad).

That being said I am not saying that people born between 1982 and 1984 or whatever are all civic, that they worship authority. I mean just as 13th Gen was aimed at people born in the 60s, and their Boomer definitions are pretty much of the Woodstock wave, the Millennials Rising are pretty much those of the post 1990 crowd. With chaptesr like "Planet Pokemon" they no doubt alienated anyone born in the early to mid 80s.

Well, you've got to be right about the Thirteenth Gen book. All the excerpts are always of the earliest Xers and what early Xers (or even Jonesers) went through. And the examples they give of famous 13ers in their books (Sample member female, Sample member male) always seem to be born in the 1961-1963 range. They speak archetypically of "Boomers", of "13ers", of "Millennials", what "Boomers" did, and tearing down the conventions of the GI's probably isn't anything a Joneser can relate to. One problem with this theory is that they try to apply statements to a whole generation, and they can only fit any given birthyear in one of four generations per saeculum.

I wonder if we have entered 4T, because those memories are starting to seem pretty old and different in themselves, as opposed to the early 80s memories.

Are you REALLY Justin? Even thinking we may possibly have entered 4T doesn't sound Justin-like.

On 2002-05-23 12:51, mmailliw wrote:
Berkeley was my first choice because the location was GREAT and it had the #1 math department in the country (and of course, the unofficial survey I saw that said Berkeley had the hottest girls in the country) :smile:... that would probably place me along the lines of the "hipper" students

Aw, so you didn't get into Berkeley? That's too bad. I'm surprised too; I mean even HARVARD let you in, what would Berkeley have against you?

On 2002-05-25 19:48, Susan Brombacher wrote:

What year were you born? 1979, I bet. Right?

Naaaaah...he sounds to me like he's busy being a 1984 cohort...100% of the time.

On 2002-06-03 18:42, Agent 24601984 wrote:
I submit the following to the multiple personality investigators:

Consider the following similarities between James Landau and Jesse Manoogian -
A) Both were born in late Xer years according to S&H...

Wait! There's more! We both come from borderline Middle Eastern ethnic backgrounds (Landau describes himself as "Semitic"; if he is a typical Landau he must be of Jewish descent!) We both have compatible first names (J+4 more letters...and "Jesse" and "James" go together...think of the outlaw!) And we both complained that no one we ever talk to sees any evidence of a "Millennial" Hero generation like S&H describe!

D) Both are from southern California
E) Both have birthdays and graduation years that suggest being held back or starting late (the legal school entry cutoff in southern California is December 2nd!)

If California's cutoff is actually 12/2, I certainly never could have told! Every year, the kids born in September through December would almost all turn 7, 8, 9...whatever before the kids born in the rest of the year did. In fact, I figured that a college freshman today would have to be born in either September or October of 1982 (or the first week of November) to possibly vote in the election of 2000, unless they were well into 1983 and held back. You remembered that email, didn't you William?

G) Both agree with Craig '84 that there was a strong alternative/Gen X rock scene even going up to the late nineties

Well, we all DO agree, but I doubt this is very distinctive at all.

H) Both are VERY articulate writers whose posts are in a very similar style (persuasive argument using facts and intuition)

You really think I'M articulate? I don't believe it! Well thanks a whole lot...I'm really glad someone appreciates my writing enough to compliment me. I never got the impression that my teachers thought so.

Also consider that Jesse started posting around November 2001, which is shortly after James stopped posting...

"James Landau"'s name doesn't appear in the database until Halloween, and we only have two people registered as him...one of the two (appearing as "James E.F. Landau", no space) only appeared to post a message on "The Kankonian Language" that seemed to come out of nowhere; the other had only a few posts that were always cut-off at the end for whatever reason and sounded like he got up on the wrong side of the bed. Somehow the posts brought to mind trolls who post here, posting things that are meant to be provocative or are irrelevant to the topic. Aside from these troll-like posts, I don't see any other James Landaus in the database, and everyone's been in here since July. I actually don't remember any James Landau posts around July 2001 or even from a few months earlier, so I don't think he's been posting that recently. I delurked on October 17, which is just before November, but I still didn't see many notes purporting to come from James E. F. Landau.

On 2002-06-13 18:16, Jesse Manoogian wrote:

On 2002-05-23 12:51, mmailliw wrote:
Berkeley was my first choice because the location was GREAT and it had the #1 math department in the country (and of course, the unofficial survey I saw that said Berkeley had the hottest girls in the country) :smile:... that would probably place me along the lines of the "hipper" students

Aw, so you didn't get into Berkeley? That's too bad. I'm surprised too; I mean even HARVARD let you in, what would Berkeley have against you?

The only place that rejected me was Princeton... actually Berkeley was way too big for me (as was Jarvard); Harvey Mudd was perfect for me but my parents hid the confirmation letters in their room so I could only go to the school of their choice (either that or community college)

People born in 1983 post on this board?
I must be getting old.

On 2002-06-13 22:58, Cimarron wrote:
People born in 1983 post on this board?
I must be getting old.

There's a semiregular poster born on 1986... it's worse than you think

But that's the year the Space Shuttle blew up. I was developing my female figure. It can't be!

On 2002-06-13 23:12, Agent 24601984 wrote:

On 2002-06-13 22:58, Cimarron wrote:
People born in 1983 post on this board?
I must be getting old.

There's a semiregular poster born on 1986... it's worse than you think

Who?

On 2002-06-14 00:27, Heliotrope wrote:

On 2002-06-13 23:12, Agent 24601984 wrote:

On 2002-06-13 22:58, Cimarron wrote:
People born in 1983 post on this board?
I must be getting old.

There's a semiregular poster born on 1986... it's worse than you think

Who?

I think his handle is elias5886.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...eople_hanson_1

On 2002-06-14 08:07, Kiff '61 wrote:

On 2002-06-14 00:27, Heliotrope wrote:

On 2002-06-13 23:12, Agent 24601984 wrote:

On 2002-06-13 22:58, Cimarron wrote:
People born in 1983 post on this board?
I must be getting old.

There's a semiregular poster born on 1986... it's worse than you think

Who?

I think his handle is elias5886.

yeah; that's who i was referring to

I still have trouble dealing with the fact that starting July 1, one of my synagogue's rabbis will be a "Jessica". To my fuddy-duddy mind, "Jessica" is a baby-sitter, not a spiritual leader! But now the baby-sitter is all growed up! :lol:

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I think those first few years are extrtemely important in generating an identity. I would say that if I had been born in 1983 instead of 1979 I would be a LOT different. I would have been prime age to be a Baby on Board, I would have been in the Teddy Ruxpin generation.
If I hadn't been watching Star Wars, or Battlestar, or Clash of the Titans, or Dallas, or any of these shows at such a young age, coupled with being just old enough to get along with a brother 8 years older than me (if I was 4 years younger I would have been a 7 year old when he graduated from High School in 1990)...I think my age location was prime in determining what a weirdo I became.
I was exposed to so much at such a young age, that literally my defenses were down, I just imbibed it .
I credit my weirdness from too many hours at an early age in front of the box.

On 2002-06-16 14:26, Justin wrote:
I think those first few years are extrtemely important in generating an identity. I would say that if I had been born in 1983 instead of 1979 I would be a LOT different. I would have been prime age to be a Baby on Board, I would have been in the Teddy Ruxpin generation.
If I hadn't been watching Star Wars, or Battlestar, or Clash of the Titans, or Dallas, or any of these shows at such a young age, coupled with being just old enough to get along with a brother 8 years older than me (if I was 4 years younger I would have been a 7 year old when he graduated from High School in 1990)...I think my age location was prime in determining what a weirdo I became.
I was exposed to so much at such a young age, that literally my defenses were down, I just imbibed it .
I credit my weirdness from too many hours at an early age in front of the box.

But what if you were born in 1983 with a 1975-born brother (same age gap and the brother remains strongly X)?

I have a friend who was born on November 17, 1982, and another born on November somethingth 1982 and both of them were Millennial to the core. Upbeat, civically minded, perky. They were Millies.
One actually had an elder brother probably born around 1976 and he was definitely in our camp. I think when it comes to the early 80s corrosive television shows you really just had to be there.

On 2002-06-16 22:58, Justin wrote:
I have a friend who was born on November 17, 1982, and another born on November somethingth 1982 and both of them were Millennial to the core. Upbeat, civically minded, perky. They were Millies.
One actually had an elder brother probably born around 1976 and he was definitely in our camp. I think when it comes to the early 80s corrosive television shows you really just had to be there.

let me try to get this straight... watching awakening-era TV shows is what turns people born around 1980 from being upbeat, civic-minded heroic types to crusty, cynical nomadic types? for some reason i find this hard to believe... (e.g. a 77-born guy whose parents didn't allow him to watch TV becomes a Millie type whereas an 85-born guy whose parents loved the Awakening shows so much that he saw lots of their videotapes at a very young age becomes an Xr?) :lol:

You try to be so smart but this isn't a smarts thing that can be figured out.
This is about me and why I am the way I am.
I was an odd little kid with an over active imagination. This was fueled by being exposed to stuff like Cheech and Chong, or Star Wars..or Rambo and A-Team. My fantasies and dreams as a child involved a very descript cultural things.
So I think that oddness made me become an odd adolescent. And when I was very depressed I could only draw on happy childhood things to help me regain footing in this world. So when I saw Mr T after that, it no longer symbolized a stupid memory..it symbolized a footing.
Strauss and Howe said that my generation would continue to collect pop culture junk from that time as a reminder of our "childhood anchor decade."
So I guess this is maybe what he was talking about.
How we get from civic and upbeat to crusty nomad in a few years?

These guys try to say its Tipper Gore and the rise of the fascist Moms of America (which did happen in the mid to late 80s).
I can certainly point to the idea that my peers had an insane amount of freedom as children vs. the 80s born people I am acquainted with.

But this is the best way i can describe it.

that makes some sense as to what made you what you are... but don't even TRY to say that those born in the early 80s had the same cultural upbringing in their early youth as core Millies; I grew up on Pee Wee's Playhouse - most of them were born AFTER pee wee was caught and even those born before got about as much Pee Wee as 82-born kids got of your Awakening shows

From the back of The Complete Cross-Referenced Guide to the Baby Buster Generation's Collective Unconscious


"There was the Depression generation. the Vietnam generation. But in the absense of any earth-shattering, life-changing, epoch-staging, Great Society-building, paradigm shifting, destiny manifesting event, what do we who grew up in the 80s have to unite and define us?

PONG!

And the Rubik's Cube. the A-Team. That Herb guy from the Burger King ads. Gorbachev and Imelda. Sam Kinison and Koosh Balls. Kajagoogoo and Duran Duran. Let's face it-it was a decade even sillier than the 70s..but it was ours. This A-to-Z guide catalogues just about every piece of cultural sagebrush that drifted across the desert of the Reagan-Bush years--fully cross referenced for that "channel surfing" feel we all know and love.

Historical events. Artistic achievements. Technological developments. Smurfberry Crunch. It's all in here..."

I liked Pee Wee's films. The first one came out in 1985 and was more geared towards a wide audience. It was good to watch Pee wee get some in Big Top Pee Wee, but by that time I really had outgrown that stuff.
I think if I was bored on some mornings I would watch that show when it first started.
"If anybody says the word of the day..scream real loud."
But After a year or so I probably had better, "more mature" things to do.

A lot of adults also loved watching Pee Wee's Playhouse. When my husband and I were newlyweds (geez, that was sooo long ago!) we used to watch it all the time. We also went to see the Pee Wee movie.

They never had shows like that when I was a kid!